Understanding the US - Again

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Biden is trying to restore the pre-2008 Old New World Order(ONWO).
What was NWO?
- Western Europe and Russia's confrontation to prevent any post-Cold War dividend
- Middle East is under US control for $ and Oil supremacy
- Pakistan as a check on India
- India as a check on China
- China is tied to US trade and economy (G-2)

Now, this world changed after the 2008 financial collapse.
What did it result in?

- A real rise of China as a military and financial power (PLA re-armament, BRI, CPEC, etc)
- Middle East slipping out of US grip
- Pakistan is in the doldrums
- India is rising under NaMo
- Trump slash and burn gutted US soft power
- Covid dislocated supply chains and increased US debt.

So what is Biden doing to restore or return to NWO?
- Exit Afghanistan to give Pakistan strategic depth
- Regime change in Pakistan with the judiciary
- Remind India of its place in the world with Carrot and Stick: Vaccine precursor block, FONOPS, unleash USCIRF toolkit- QUAD, nonlethal arms, summits, etc
- Ukraine mess to tie up Russia and weaken bonhomie between the EU and Russia
- Drawdown/Ease sanctions on China
- Reaffirm defending Taiwan

This is what it looks like.

Misfortunately, ONWO no one wants, except RaGa, who wants IFS to take orders from Foreign diplomats!
So we will see realignments and pushbacks.
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I think Biden has been against the Afghan adventure for a long time. We should cut him some slack
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There is no blame here.
Just trying to understand what was happening.
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vimal wrote:I think Biden has been against the Afghan adventure for a long time. We should cut him some slack

I read Peter Bergen’s Manhunt. Biden was fiercely opposed to the OBL raid in Abottabad. In the book he comes across as a very risk averse indecisive leader. Maybe his priorities are domestic. On a side note Blinken is shown in positive light but that maybe a biased view as he is source for much of the inside info .
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Seems to have also helped all oil companies, stocks up more than 25% on most when not so long ago oil was almost negative in futures trade during covid. BP traders made a fortune recently, I know an entire floor of traders resigned in London they became millionaires overnight
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Slightly OT:

Australian traveller strip-searched, held in US prison and deported over little-known entry requirement

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... equirement
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https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 ... later.html
Israeli munitions ripped through the Belmont-class research ship with strafing fire, napalm and torpedoes as it patrolled Mediterranean waters performing signal intelligence -- "spy" -- missions during the 1967 Six-Day War between Israel and a coalition of Arab countries.

The attack, which left 34 Americans dead and 174 others injured -- two-thirds of the crew in total, according to a press release organized by the Liberty Veterans Association -- has been veiled in controversy since it happened, with survivors, and even some former senior intelligence officials, pointing to a deliberate bombardment by Israel and a subsequent U.S. dismissal of the event to pardon its ally.

"For 55 years, we've tried to honor the crew, with little to no support from our government, just like the lack of support we received when we were under attack," Bowen continued from the podium. "Our government has tried to cover the entire attack up as a mere accident. Nothing could be further from the truth."
"Some of them were low enough that we could wave to the pilots, and then the deck plating would rattle," he said.

Eighteen minutes after the Liberty was first seen, the Israeli aircraft identified it as a U.S. Navy ship, yet the marker remained red on the board of Israel's Central Coastal Command until 9 a.m. when it was switched to green, indicating the ship was indeed "neutral." But as Syrians battered Israel's front lines and Egyptian submarines prowled the sea, the green marker, according to the Israelis, became an afterthought.
By the evening of June 8, the Liberty -- which was armed with only a handful of .50-caliber machine guns -- was nearly sunk. A barrage of torpedoes slammed into the ship's hull as Israeli aircraft dropped napalm and strafed her deck repeatedly. The attack lasted two hours, according to Bowen.

In 2005, the USS Liberty Veterans Association submitted a report to the DoD asking for a formal investigation, unsatisfied by the Navy's 1967 inquiry. The report, summarized by the survivors, in part said that their radios were jammed, preventing distress frequencies from reaching superiors; the Israeli aircraft attacking the Liberty were unmarked; and the planes deliberately strafed their life rafts, anticipating that the sailors would abandon ship.
The U.S. government has never publicly blamed Israel for anything other than an accident.
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India-Russia partnership - India gets the most important thing from that - energy. MIC - can be done in collaboration with Russia. India/Russia have everything else but for one key thing - chips/fabs. If we can get a domestic ecosystem for that - then we are truly a fearsome combination.
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https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/opin ... ease-biden
South America shows unease about Biden
M.D. Nalapat, June 11, 2022

All the South American countries that have been engaged by Vice-President Kamala Harris have either boycotted the US-hosted event or only sent low-level officials to attend.
Donald J. Trump designed the surrender of US and European forces to the Taliban in 2020, although former National Security Advisor John Bolton seems to believe that it was then Secretary of State Mike Pompeo who was the person guilty of that disaster. The Doha accord signed between Pompeo and a Taliban representative will figure among the most shameful or shameless acts committed by a US administration in the 21st century. Outdistancing Trump in shamelessness as he had in electoral votes, President Biden operationalised the surrender in a manner that has led to the deaths of uncounted numbers of Afghans who had been trusting enough to believe US assurances of their safety. Unlike in the case of the Ukrainians, a population segment towards which Biden as also leaders of several countries in Europe appear to have an affinity not seen towards Afghans. Including those who resisted the Taliban and were now in mortal danger as a consequence. Hillary and Bill Clinton are Europeanists in the way Colin Powell was while Secretary of State, and Biden is as President. Looking at his approach towards consequential issues both domestic and foreign, it would appear that President Biden has yet to outgrow the mindset developed during his three decades in the US Senate. While he was a Senator, China was the shining light of opportunity and Russia the wicked adversary, a mindset that appears to remain unchanged in large swathes of Team Biden. Ever since the allegation surfaced that Vladimir Putin was instrumental in the defeat of Hillary Clinton against Donald Trump, the US President’s Cold War 1.0 thinking has become turbocharged, assisted by Europeanist aides such as Antony Blinken and Jake Sullivan, whose ties to the Clinton rather than to the Obama ecosystem have remained substantial. What made President Biden decide to unilaterally exclude Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua from the Summit of the Americas ? While dealing with Europe, Biden searches for a consensus, while in dealing with Asia, Africa and South America, he usually makes it clear that it’s his view or the highway. Hence his attempts to get countries in Asia to hobble themselves the way the EU has, by not buying cheap oil and gas from the Russian Federation. Judging by their statements, Biden, Johnson and Von der Leyen appear to be in denial that it is the type of sanctions imposed by them on Russia that have caused dislocation in global supply chains in a manner not seen since the Covid lockdowns in 2020.
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SpaceX fires employees who wrote open letter complaining about Elon Musk
SpaceX’s president criticized the letter as ‘overreaching activism’
https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/17/2317 ... complaints
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India-Pak Problems Attributable to USA's Support to Pakistan in the Past, Says EAM Jaishankar at CNN-News18 Town Hall
India’s history with the United States is a very troubled history, said Minister of External Affairs Dr Subrahmanyam Jaishankar at the CNN News18 Town Hall. “A lot of India’s problems with Pakistan are directly attributable to the support that the United States gave to Pakistan," he added.

On the relationship with the US, Dr Jaishankar said that the United States in the 1990s was very dominant but today the US is able to actually say that India has a different history and it has to take India’s relationship with Russia into account. “Part of the reason why Quad has worked is that the four of us have given each other that degree of latitude and understanding," he went on.
India’s history with Russia is different from that of America, Japan or Australia and everybody in the Quad does not have an identical position on everything, “Had it been the case, we would have expected everybody to have the same stand on Pakistan as ours," he remarked.

Dr Jaishankar wondered that if it was indeed about identical positions, he could ask the other three members of the Quad why their positions on Pakistan are not exactly the same as India’s.
“We are today in a pragmatic, get-on-with-it world where you look for people with whom at a very basic level your interests match, and we have a common agenda. For example, the Quad is Indo-Pacific centered. It does not extrapolate into something else.
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I do not know if this was posted. The case originally had generated interest among Indians in the US:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGwSjSuiEAQ
Cops Sued - $1.75M Lawsuit After Paralyzing 57 Year Old
Apr 21, 2022

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ut-to-whom
The Federal Reserve says its remedies for inflation ‘will cause pain’, but to whom?
Clara Mattei, 18 Jun 2022

Easing inflation will disproportionately harm working-class people, who will reap none of the benefits down the road
Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell recently made it clear that the Federal Reserve’s remedies to combat runaway inflation “will cause some pain”. Powell’s words of caution – references to the unemployment and scarcity that will follow increased interest rates – were echoed elsewhere by prominent economists. Some used Powell’s same euphemism: there will be pain.
While the narratives from Powell and others imply that our shared short-term sacrifice will produce shared long-term gains, their careful framing is intended to mask a deeply unpleasant reality: neither the sacrifice nor the gains are shared. Easing inflation will disproportionately harm working-class people, and these same people will reap none of the benefits down the road.
The Fed’s recipe to bring prices under control will increase the cost of borrowing money, which is good news for creditors, while heavily indebted households that rely on loans for their daily survival will face higher bills.
The cost of borrowing will also increase government expenses for public works and social services, forcing states to further cut their budget, hurting the most precarious parts of society that rely most on these services.
Most importantly, as Powell himself has acknowledged, lowering incentives for businesses to invest will produce unemployment.
What Powell does not say is that the “pain” for working-class Americans is not an accident or even an unintended consequence. As economists well know, the very possibility of tackling inflation rests on relieving the upward pressure on prices by diminishing consumer demand. To do so, the Fed will curtail the purchasing power of most citizens – especially those who have the least.
This is not yet the whole story. The implicit message of Powell and fellow economic experts is that workers have had it too good in the post-pandemic recovery. In his finessed technical wording, “The labor market has continued to strengthen and is extremely tight.” Last September, there were 10 job offers for every seven unemployed people; a decade prior, there were 10 openings for every 38 unemployed. The data on resignations in the past months are impressive: from April to September 2021, 24 million American workers abandoned their jobs. In March alone, 3.3% or 4.5 million people quit their jobs, a record high.
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Same time WH is denying the US economy is in a recession which means the Fed's interest rate tightening has to ease up.
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https://www.firstpost.com/world/us-cong ... 25971.html
US Congresswoman Ilhan Omar introduces anti-India resolution in House
The resolution, introduced by Ilhan Omar, urges the Biden Administration to implement the recommendations of the US Commission on International Religious Freedom, which has called for designating India as a country of particular concern for three consecutive years
Press Trust of India, June 23, 2022

Washington: Continuing with her anti-India tirade, Democratic Congresswoman Ilhan Omar has introduced a resolution that calls the US Secretary of State to designate India as a country of particular concern for alleged violation of religious freedom.
Co-sponsored by Congresswoman Rashida Talib and Congresswoman Juan Vargas, the resolution urges the Biden Administration to implement the recommendations of the US Commission on International Religious Freedom which has called for designating India as a country of particular concern for three consecutive years.
Introduced in the House of Representative on Tuesday, the resolution has been sent to the House Foreign Affairs Committee for necessary action.
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Let the fun begin.

Popcorn and coke time.
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But it may help democrats as the backlash could be huge against Republicans
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Aditya_V wrote:But it may help democrats as the backlash could be huge against Republicans
yep
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Aditya_V wrote:But it may help democrats as the backlash could be huge against Republicans

Not in the current inflationary environment.
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Is there a possibility for India like arranging 'medical tourism'?
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saip wrote:Is there a possibility for India like arranging 'medical tourism'?
they do it better in pukestan

the head and torso are handled separately
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So much for the supposed shining beacon of human rights that acts as Hall Monitor to all other countries.

I do hope the Indian RW stays away from all the abortion ban drama though and not try to copy the Republican talking points .. In most situations it is a medically critical procedure that has saved many women from dying.

Not to mention we have no shortage of people so forcing more that end up being a burden makes little sense anyway
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saip wrote:Is there a possibility for India like arranging 'medical tourism'?
What a disgusting proposal?
Do we think before posting?
Or is it all mercantlism?
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Aditya_V wrote:But it may help democrats as the backlash could be huge against Republicans
Which of these explains why the US legislature did not act on abortion rights over almost 50 years?

1. The USA is a sham democracy OR
2. Abortion rights as previously enabled do not have popular support.
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Roe vs Wade was decided on Justice William Douglas clever "penumbra of rights" doctrine. This allowed the politicians to take cover and not pass proper Consitituional reforms for over 50 years. Even now they don't want to do the right thing. This striking the penumbra doctrine will have impact on Indian SCI judicial over reach too.
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Admin note: no grandstanding about awesomeness of US in this forum. No one cares
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ramana wrote:Roe vs Wade was decided on Justice William Douglas clever "penumbra of rights" doctrine. This allowed the politicians to take cover and not pass proper Consitituional reforms for over 50 years. Even now they don't want to do the right thing. This striking the penumbra doctrine will have impact on Indian SCI judicial over reach too.
Penumbra of rights was in Griswold v Conn (not Roe v Wade). And it led to right to contraception.

Ironically, those rights were cited in Loving v VA that overturned laws against interacial marriages. Of course, Ginny/Clarence have nothing to worry about.
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So it’s United Sharia of America
What becomes of the USCIRF now?
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This is a Christo-fascist Jihad.

Not only was Roe v Wade overturned today, but another SC ruling required states to make school vouchers (i.e, taxpayer funded aid) available to Christian 'educational' institutions.

So much for 'states rights' which are so often cited when convenient.

And welcome to the world of paying mandatory Jaziya to American Churches... so that their tentacles are better funded to harvest souls around the world.

People can do what they like. I will not accept Christo-fascist rule any more than I would accept Dhimmi status under Islam.

I will be voting 100% Democrat up and down the ticket in November. Supporting with my $ and efforts as well. Just sent a donation to Raja Krishnamoorthi that I was planning to give my Republican Congressman in PA 1st.

I hate the Democrats and recognize every single aspect in which they are harmful. But for people living in the US, they are the only alternative to the Christo-fascist Ummah that Republicans have set out to project on the world.
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saip wrote:Is there a possibility for India like arranging 'medical tourism'?
Why the heck should we even get involved? At best, we can do some "tut tut" about a "serious backslide in women's rights" in the world's self-appointed guardian of hyooman rights. Beyond that, this is the US' bed to make and sleep in. India should not lose any sleep over this.

Not to mention, this is a ridiculous idea on so many counts.
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Personally I absolutely don't understand the two sides of the abortion debate.

Second, if birth control is so important then why don't the Americans educate their people about birds and bees.

Third, why so much focus on abortion only. Why not focus on contraception methods.
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A noob pooch:
(Mods indulge me)
What's the stand of Jihadi Congresswomen Ms Omar on the matter of 'Abortion'
She has not opined on this or has she!!
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The US is working double hard to stop being the No1 preferred destination for bright grad & post grad students and highly qualified professionals. The gears of downfall are clicking into place one by one.

Who would want to live and build a career, and raise a family in a gun weilding society with mass shootings everywhere, police brutaliety, racial discrimination, Pride infested schools, SJW & DIE infested work places, abortion illegal, fake news, social media overextend into life, obesity crisis due to processed food, scary health care costs, little or no vacations... Add to all that, rampant inflation and energy costs increase in recent times!

If the dollar tanks then its fall will have truly started.
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^^^This was going to happen anyway regardless of internal US judicial and legislative actions.

Throw in endless foreign wars, financing & arming terrorists, and interference in other countries. In a generation, 20-30 years, the US will be completely unlivable.
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The only importance of this anti-abortion decision to India is that it gives us another stick to beat the pompous holier-than-thou americans with when they decide to lecture us about human rights the next time. Other than that just sit back and watch the insanity. There will be more crazy decisions coming soon. There was already one against gun control recently while mass shootings keep increasing by the day. And it won’t be the last.
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nachiket wrote:The only importance of this anti-abortion decision to India is that it gives us another stick to beat the pompous holier-than-thou americans with when they decide to lecture us about human rights the next time. Other than that just sit back and watch the insanity. There will be more crazy decisions coming soon. There was already one against gun control recently while mass shootings keep increasing by the day. And it won’t be the last.
True, and all the more so because it is a Religious Freedom issue first & foremost.

Make no mistake, this is not per se about abortion, contraception, rights of foetus or any of that. It is about Political Christianity imposing Biblical beliefs ("life begins at conception") upon the sphere of the law, to impinge directly on the rights and freedoms of all citizens, including non-Christians.

I mentioned previously the SC's directive that taxpayer money can henceforth be used to fund Christian institutions, another violation of the supposed separation between Church & State.

Then you have SC Justice Clarence Thomas publicly calling for a similar reversal of other previous decisions where Christianity had to take a back seat to the US constitution... Griswold (legalized contraception), Lawrence (legalized gay civil unions), Obergefell (legalized gay marriage).

Why contraception? Because the Catholic Church holds contraception itself to be immoral. Leave alone abortion... even the prevention of unwanted pregnancy must be banned in order to fulfill the Christian supremacist agenda.

If you don't think the Christian supremacist agenda can be a life-threatening predicament for Hindus, I suggest refreshing your memory of this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishc ... anavar.amp

Bad times ahead for Hindus in America. They will come for our heathen Temples and festivals too. And rewrite the textbooks to be a hundred times worse. The end goal will be to deracinate and baptise the children of Hindu Americans en masse.

But for India itself, all this is an absolute gift :mrgreen:

The USCIRF (itself an Evangelical Christian-dominated body) can cry itself hoarse about India being a country "of particular concern".

The all-out Christo-fascist jihad being perpetrated against American women, gays, and non-Christians gives more than enough ammunition for a muh-thod jawaab (which I hope Dr SJS will deliver when the occasion next arises).
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Looks like Xtian and LGBTQXYZ+- forces will get at each other's throats and tear the country apart in the process.

We will see more and more R2Is in future...

BTW, have the numbers of Ukranian immigrants increased greatly this year? Any published data?
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ramana wrote:Biden is trying to restore the pre-2008 Old New World Order(ONWO).
What was NWO?
- Western Europe and Russia's confrontation to prevent any post-Cold War dividend
- Middle East is under US control for $ and Oil supremacy
- Pakistan as a check on India
- India as a check on China
- China is tied to US trade and economy (G-2)

Now, this world changed after the 2008 financial collapse.
What did it result in?

- A real rise of China as a military and financial power (PLA re-armament, BRI, CPEC, etc)
- Middle East slipping out of US grip
- Pakistan is in the doldrums
- India is rising under NaMo
- Trump slash and burn gutted US soft power
- Covid dislocated supply chains and increased US debt.

So what is Biden doing to restore or return to NWO?
- Exit Afghanistan to give Pakistan strategic depth
- Regime change in Pakistan with the judiciary
- Remind India of its place in the world with Carrot and Stick: Vaccine precursor block, FONOPS, unleash USCIRF toolkit- QUAD, nonlethal arms, summits, etc
- Ukraine mess to tie up Russia and weaken bonhomie between the EU and Russia
- Drawdown/Ease sanctions on China
- Reaffirm defending Taiwan

This is what it looks like.

Misfortunately, ONWO no one wants, except RaGa, who wants IFS to take orders from Foreign diplomats!
So we will see realignments and pushbacks.
Thats a good snapshot of the current geopolitical situation.. one would want to think what kind of pushbacks would be effective.

Ending the US strangle hold on the world's financial system and the Bretton woods petrodollar dominance is one
Ending the US pre-eminence in military strength
Eroding the US soft power., Hollywood., social media
Curtailing / monitoring the dominance of google
Mandatory use of data centers within country borders
Curtailing / monitoring free flow of information
Developing domestic alternatives to MNC. brands
Promoting ones own culture, developing a sense of National identity and unity
Mandating military service, ( in a way Agnipath seems to do this without enforcing it)
Most important : developing an enhanced national surveillance system. More than China., India needs this to promote law and order in a democracy. A few rioters should not be able to hold to ransom the larger public.
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