Understanding the US - Again

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The issue in conservative circles isn't with sexuality. It's with disintegration of family unit.

India has recognized gay/trans since ancient times and it was just seen as a natural thing.

The problem is that there is an attempt to absorb LGBTQ into woke. Woke started out has analyzing the causes of racial inequality and apartheid and was actually good thing. But has since mutated into a cancerous sociopolitical agenda aimed at bringing identity politics into the country.

To study American politics today, one has to study the forefathers of the woke movement today who were Indian. Lalu, Mulayam, etc. did exactly what these idiots are doing now. They identified a majoritarian hegemon and instead of leading a traditional left class struggle against it, they shifted to religious/cultural/racial identities and gave out freebies and benefits to keep them hooked. The only thing that the woke idiots have added is LGBTQ. The consequences were severe for Indian politics and society.

What is happening today is the American jungle raj movement. Call it for what it is.
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https://www.npr.org/2023/03/31/11672814 ... -takeaways
5 key takeaways from the Trump indictment news
Emily Olson, Emma Bowman, March 31, 20236

Former President Donald Trump has been indicted by a New York grand jury for his role in covering up hush money paid to adult film actress Stormy Daniels.
District Attorney Alvin Bragg's office said it has contacted Trump's attorney "to coordinate his surrender" for arraignment.
The grand jury's indictment — and Trump's charges — remain under seal, and NPR hasn't been able to confirm other media reports that the DA may arraign Trump on Tuesday.
Here are five things to know about the latest news
1. The grand jury has been investigating Trump for months
Trump is likely to be charged with a violation of New York penal code 175.10, falsifying business records in the first degree, says Kim Wehle, a former U.S. attorney and now a law professor at the University of Baltimore.
"It's quite serious, even if the charge itself doesn't reach the heights that some people would expect from a former president," Wehle told NPR's Adrian Florido on All Things Considered.
Trump's former lawyer Michael Cohen negotiated a deal with ***** star Stormy Daniels, paying her $130,000 in exchange for keeping quiet about an alleged affair with Trump.
......
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RoyG wrote:The issue in conservative circles isn't with sexuality. It's with disintegration of family unit.

India has recognized gay/trans since ancient times and it was just seen as a natural thing.

The problem is that there is an attempt to absorb LGBTQ into woke. Woke started out has analyzing the causes of racial inequality and apartheid and was actually good thing. But has since mutated into a cancerous sociopolitical agenda aimed at bringing identity politics into the country.

To study American politics today, one has to study the forefathers of the woke movement today who were Indian. Lalu, Mulayam, etc. did exactly what these idiots are doing now. They identified a majoritarian hegemon and instead of leading a traditional left class struggle against it, they shifted to religious/cultural/racial identities and gave out freebies and benefits to keep them hooked. The only thing that the woke idiots have added is LGBTQ. The consequences were severe for Indian politics and society.

What is happening today is the American jungle raj movement. Call it for what it is.
Wok parents video - They are not raising their babies as boys/girls. The babies will decide if they are Cis male/ Cis Female/Non-binary/Trans when they become 7 :shock:
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Agree RoyG ji,
But conservative circles don't seem to understand how dangerous LGBTQ+ + woke lefty identity politics combo is. Even a few who do, might be unwilling to take them on fearing the huge media flaming they are going to attract. It will be like grabbing a porcupine.
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Watch this video -- it's very telling that the truth is now finally even dawning on the American conservatives themselves:



We are bigger than El Salvador -- if they can notice this stuff, then we really owe it to ourselves to be noticing what's going on, and drawing the appropriate lessons from it.
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sanman wrote:Watch this video -- it's very telling that the truth is now finally even dawning on the American conservatives themselves:

[youtube]YbKFPbd5sJA[youtube]

We are bigger than El Salvador -- if they can notice this stuff, then we really owe it to ourselves to be noticing what's going on, and drawing the appropriate lessons from it.

sanman ji,

shades of Modi

This is exactly how they went after him, with mamamia mafia leading the charge from the way back days in Gujarat

now we know why the BIF crapped their pants and panicked
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chetak wrote: shades of Modi

This is exactly how they went after him, with mamamia mafia leading the charge
That's exactly the first thing I thought of too. And Manmohan was Prime Minister Dhritarashtra, just like Biden is President Dhritarashtra and Kamala is Vice President Gandhari.
It's as if there's a Universal Law on subversion of democracies (especially larger democracies) in the service of trans-nationalist imperialism and minorityism.


Here's more:

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Cyrano wrote: But conservative circles don't seem to understand how dangerous LGBTQ+ + woke lefty identity politics combo is. Even a few who do, might be unwilling to take them on fearing the huge media flaming they are going to attract. It will be like grabbing a porcupine.
What pisses me off about the woke crowd is not their specific agenda but the fact that just because they discovered something today, they expect me to be outraged and indignant about their new peeve.

Like, why should I suddenly be all up in arms about BLM or LGBTQ+ just because they are? Black lives always mattered to me, and I have always been accepting of LGBTQ+, and this is a civilizational thing for me. I don't need to jump up in response to them.

Why has the woke crowd not denounced colonialism, or spoken out against Khalistanis/divisionists, which are causes that I care about?
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What I see is that Far Right (NeoCon warmongers) have joined hands with Far Left (Wokesters), and both are mutually promoting each other, in a Faustian bargain.

Both of these opposite fringes have identified mutual benefit in giving mutual support to each other, at the expense of the moderate middle.
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NeoCon warmonger in the driver's seat

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sanman wrote:What I see is that Far Right (NeoCon warmongers) have joined hands with Far Left (Wokesters), and both are mutually promoting each other, in a Faustian bargain.

Both of these opposite fringes have identified mutual benefit in giving mutual support to each other, at the expense of the moderate middle.
Neocons totally shifted from RW (Bush Republicans) to Democrats.
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Neocons are the military wing of deep state collusion. Doesn't represent any party.
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vijayk wrote:Neocons totally shifted from RW (Bush Republicans) to Democrats.
This is because they are bitter exiles from Republican Party due to Trump. They had been counting on riding back into power on the coattails of Jeb Bush, who boasted of having assembled a massive election campaign "war chest" of funds to win the 2016 elections. Trump came into the picture and totally trounced them, taking the election primary away from them and becoming the Republican nominee.

But there is ample evidence to show there are pro-establishment wings of both parties who converge together across party lines for common cronyist interests.
It's the pro-establishment wings of both parties who feel most threatened by Trump, and have therefore converged in trying to destroy him and remove him from politics. By doing this, they have only exposed themselves and brought their crooked racket out into the open for all to see.
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Liz Cheney comes to mind.
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Vayutuvan wrote:Liz Cheney comes to mind.
Yes, Liz Cheney being the daughter of former Vice President Richard Cheney of the Bush-Cheney whitehouse, has of course been a leading critic of Trump within the Republican party. She recently lost her own re-election bid because of this. Victoria Nuland was Richard Cheney's National Security Advisor in that Republican Bush-Cheney Whitehouse, and yet she has also been serving as Undersecretary of State in the Democrat whitehouses of Obama and Biden. So she's been able to serve in both Republican and Democratic administrations, like the Deep-Stater that she is.

Notice how the old hostility of the Obamas towards Bush has now gone away. Bush's image has now been rehabilitated in the formerly hostile left-leaning media, because Trump is now the one-and-only "Great Right-Wing Satan".
I remember when Obama used to bitterly comment how America's finances would be much better if Bush hadn't squandered so much money on the Iraq War. It makes me now wonder why Obama won't say the same thing about Biden's blank cheques on the Ukraine War. But we don't have to wonder -- we all know why.

The hypocrisy couldn't be more obvious -- and it's unsustainable, of course. At least Republicans are more friendly to business and economic productivity, whereas the Democrats and their welfare-spending only aggravate inflation through non-productive expansion of money supply without symmetric increases in productivity and availability of goods and services.
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Iran, not the US, won the Iraq war, as, e.g, Time Magazine claims:
As we observe the twentieth anniversary of the Iraq War, which claimed more than 4,600 American lives and countless Iraqis, we must make an honest assessment of the war. The war cost the U.S. trillions, upended Middle East stability, and ultimately benefited Iran’s aggressive and expansionist agenda by capturing much of the political and military institutions in Baghdad and Damascus. Despite its tremendous cost, the war weakened America’s geostrategic position and damaged our national credibility.
Whatever you/I/we think of the Ukraine war, it is so far achieving US's strategic goals, unlike the Iraq war, e.g., NATO enlargement. Finland was generally not in favor of joining NATO till very recently.
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The dovish conservatives in the US are reasonably well represented by this site:
https://responsiblestatecraft.org.

The Never-Trump conservatives are here: https://www.thebulwark.com

The pro-Trump media is well-represented by Fox News.

The American far-left is typified by https://jacobin.com

The American center is not easy to characterize with one site.
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A_Gupta wrote: The American center is not easy to characterize with one site.
CNN!!! :rotfl:
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A_Gupta wrote:Whatever you/I/we think of the Ukraine war, it is so far achieving US's strategic goals, unlike the Iraq war, e.g., NATO enlargement. Finland was generally not in favor of joining NATO till very recently.
Recent Finland election results might throw a spanner into the US stragegic plans, hain ji?!!! By the way, at what cost to the taxpayers the NATO enlargement? What exactly are Americans getting in return other than some vague sense of doing something for upholding human rights in the east Europe? :mrgreen:
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Vayutuvan wrote:Recent Finland election results might throw a spanner into the US stragegic plans, hain ji?!!! By the way, at what cost to the taxpayers the NATO enlargement? What exactly are Americans getting in return other than some vague sense of doing something for upholding human rights in the east Europe? :mrgreen:
I thought EU/West were busy punishing Hungary's Orban for blocking migrant refugees from entering his country -- and meantime Finland is building a wall against Russian refugee migrants (Finnish PM openly said so) and is being rewarded with NATO membership.
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Ro Khanna: "Publicly, my Nanaji may have smoked drugs with young Bill Clinton -- but privately he didn't inhale!" :rotfl:
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Nothing special, but posting to illustrate how judges are elected in the USA. Article itself does not shy away from the political aspects of the election.

Liberals gain control of the Wisconsin Supreme Court
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Lot of Gen Z voted for this judge because of Abortion rights. Republicans have to get off Abortion issue gracefeully
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vera_k wrote:Nothing special, but posting to illustrate how judges are elected in the USA. Article itself does not shy away from the political aspects of the election.

Liberals gain control of the Wisconsin Supreme Court

I'm not sure what the rationale is behind directly electing judges, since that's more likely to lead to arbitrary judgements that may flout correct application of laws.
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sanman wrote:
vera_k wrote:Nothing special, but posting to illustrate how judges are elected in the USA. Article itself does not shy away from the political aspects of the election.

Liberals gain control of the Wisconsin Supreme Court

I'm not sure what the rationale is behind directly electing judges since that's more likely to lead to arbitrary judgments that may flout the correct application of laws.
So judicial system in the US is interesting. The Supreme Court judges, appellate courts, and district court judges are appointed by the president and confirmed by the Senate. Wrt State judges, each state has its own system. In some states they are elected with no party affiliation, then in some states, they are elected with party affiliation. Then some are elected by the legislative body and some are appointed by the Governor with or without a recommending committee. On top of it, you have a jury system. I look at it in two ways. One, they are accountable to the people, and two the balance of power is maintained. In the trial court, the Jury delivers the verdict. Judges are there to moderate and coordinate the trial. So the decision-making is spread around a bit. No system is perfect, but at least there is some amount of the people's involvement in maintaining the law of the land.
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williams wrote:So judicial system in the US is interesting. The Supreme Court judges, appellate courts, and district court judges are appointed by the president and confirmed by the Senate. Wrt State judges, each state has its own system. In some states they are elected with no party affiliation, then in some states, they are elected with party affiliation. Then some are elected by the legislative body and some are appointed by the Governor with or without a recommending committee. On top of it, you have a jury system. I look at it in two ways. One, they are accountable to the people, and two the balance of power is maintained. In the trial court, the Jury delivers the verdict. Judges are there to moderate and coordinate the trial. So the decision-making is spread around a bit. No system is perfect, but at least there is some amount of the people's involvement in maintaining the law of the land.
So then it was inevitable that one day a Bragg-vs-Trump type of situation would result -- ie. some activist prosecutor with a partisan/ideological axe to grind would then weaponize the justice system against a political opposition leader.

Bragg has not only made a fool of himself, but has once again brought into the limelight the scoundrel Soros who hides behind a curtain.
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Bragg is not a judge, but a DA. It is almost always a political position.
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sanman wrote:
Vayutuvan wrote:Liz Cheney comes to mind.
Victoria Nuland was Richard Cheney's National Security Advisor in that Republican Bush-Cheney Whitehouse, and yet she has also been serving as Undersecretary of State in the Democrat whitehouses of Obama and Biden. So she's been able to serve in both Republican and Democratic administrations, like the Deep-Stater that she is.

Notice how the old hostility of the Obamas towards Bush has now gone away. Bush's image has now been rehabilitated in the formerly hostile left-leaning media, because Trump is now the one-and-only "Great Right-Wing Satan".

The hypocrisy couldn't be more obvious -- and it's unsustainable, of course. At least Republicans are more friendly to business and economic productivity, whereas the Democrats and their welfare-spending only aggravate inflation through non-productive expansion of money supply without symmetric increases in productivity and availability of goods and services.
Excellent insightful post Sanman. The biggest geo political surprise chess move thus far since Russia started the war in Ukraine has been China's ability to bring about a handshake between Iran and Saudi. Looks like the middle east, much of Africa, most of Central Asia and even several more populous Asian countries seem to be nuetral or tilting the Chinese/Russian way. The neo-con ascendancy has once again ensured that the U.S. tax payers are bankrolling European security, while the oil and defense companies/contractors are rolling profits. The poor, middle class have no clue (beyond the inflationary impact) about the larger geo political structural changes that are occurring and have no clue that de-dollarization around the world, the weakening of the petro dollar and less reliance on the $ as the world's reserve currency could change the face of the U.S. economy and the standard of living in the coming years. One wonders who will buy U.S. debt if more countries decided to minimize U.S. $ reserves !


Trump's anti-establishment message threatened the likes of career D.C. swamp dwelling senators like McConnel, Thune as much as it did Schumer and his cronies. The Dems are counting on the fact that this (and other coming indictments) will rile up Trump's base and get him to be the nominee with primary wins and are betting that the 5% or so swing voters or the educated suburbanites that care more about "form" (politically correct, polite behavior) than "substance" (core disruptive policies - fair trade not just free trade, NATO countries pay their fair share, criminal justice reform, opportunities zones, legal migration and safe borders, end to needless culinary institute sponsored wars, Abraham accords, quieting down Kim Jong Un in North Korea, ending the culinary institute sponsored war in Syria, deregulation, more competitive corporate tax regime) will never vote for Trump in 2024. So this is their gambit to seal the 2nd term for Mr. Biden.

Other GOP house investigations seems to be finally uncovering more subpoenaed documents about Mr. Biden and his son's corruption over the years. But the DOJ will never prosecute Hunter (nor did they prosecute Hillary, her aides (Huma Abedin, Cheryl Mills, all those partisan FBI agents including Comey who lied under oath to congress etc etc) Also seems like Biden had taken secret documents from his days as a Senator and VP, when in reality the POTUS is the only person that has unfettered access to secret documents and has the legal authority to take it to his "home office" or "vacation home". But seems like Trump will get charged for mishandling "secret" documents based on the Mar a Lago raid whereas Biden's transgressions will get a quiet burial.

The stunning consistent pattern whether it is India, Israel or the U.S. is the rabid left wing media that are card carrying leftist party idealogues masquerading as journalists. They amplify the deep state, establishment propaganda and do a disservice by not informing the public about facts but instead shape the narrative for their leftist causes.
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It pains me greatly to see the US, like Pakistan, hell bent on destroying the backbone of the country - its middle class. US is turning into a deeply divided society, not just ideologically or racially, but financially. Not only have blue collar jobs almost entirely disappeared, it's white collar jobs now which are on their way out. The current labour shortage is only incentivizing cutbacks (examples being more automation, widespread store closures) which will reduce jobs over time. College enrollment is down. Demographic decline is here to stay because once again the middle class is under so much pressure that it is unaffordable to have kids (beside all the other social issues concerning marriage).

The American decline should be a lesson to us. Without a strong family base to provide support and low cost of the essentials of life, economic growth is meaningless. The more people earn, they are only bidding against each other to find a house to purchase or rent - the rest of life stays the same except now both spouses have to work long hard job or multiple jobs. The beneficiaries are those in advanced age who can cash out their property and retire very comfortably while the younger generation overpays.
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American decline was on the wall for many years if we look at how debt ridden the country really is, at federal, state, county, city, and individual level. It can last for only so long.

The second mistake is to use that debt not for long term asset creation but for fuelling profligate consumption - the big bad ass American lifestyle.

They could keep the bubble puffed up as long as the world was thirsty for the Dollah. And to maintain that thirst, global financial and commodity markets had to trade in dollars. The rest of the world was still ok to do it and work for Americans to enjoy the American Dream, until the Dems and Neocons overreached with the Ukraine war and sanctions and regime change games.

That has now set off a domino effect which can't be undone.

Geopolitical commentators are openly saying recent rapprochements and mending of relations in the middle East was achieved precisely because the US was not involved.

No one in the American corridors of power seem to realise how much bigger a loss that is than any win in Ukraine can make up for.
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Hell must be freezing over:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/05/opin ... tment.html

"The Trump Indictment Is a Legal Embarrassment," says NYT
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If this is the situation at the highest court, one can imagine what must be in play in the lower courts. No wonder the press tracks what judge owes allegiance to what party.

Report on Justice Thomas' trips renews calls for a Supreme Court code of ethics
Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas accepted luxury vacations from a major GOP donor
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sanman wrote:Hell must be freezing over:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/05/opin ... tment.html

"The Trump Indictment Is a Legal Embarrassment," says NYT

https://archive.ph/YVkO2
The Trump Indictment Is a Legal Embarrassment

This legal embarrassment reveals new layers of Trumpian damage to the legal foundations of the United States: Mr. Trump’s opponents react to his provocations and norms violations by escalating and accelerating the erosion of legal norms.

The case appears so weak on its legal and jurisdictional basis that a state judge might dismiss the case and mitigate that damage. More likely, the case is headed to federal court for a year, where it could lose on the grounds of federal pre-emption — only federal courts have jurisdiction over campaign finance and filing requirements. Even if it survives a challenge that could reach the Supreme Court, a trial would most likely not start until at least mid-2024, possibly even after the 2024 election.

Instead of the rule of law, it would be the rule of the circus.
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California governor Gavin Newsom is trying to do a Kejriwal.
Like a Ponzi-schemer, Newsom wants to jump out of the dumpster fire he's helped to create in California, and vault himself into the Whitehouse. With that aim, he is already burnishing his credentials by embarking on a whirlwind tour of the "evil/red slave-states" to highlight their "historical evilness" in contrast to his "virtuous" rule over California.

I haven't seen him take any trips to Kyiv yet, though. He hasn't yet done any foreign policy virtue-signaling, to court those dollars. Presumably, that's still yet to come.

With Dhritarashtra-Biden's worsening senility, his chances of winning in 2024 are looking dimmer all the time, and meanwhile the comparably blind Gandhari-Kamala doesn't look very appealing to the rest of the Kaurava clan. This situation is then emboldening the rest of the Kaurava party clansmen to then step forward, hoping to win the party leadership in his place.

https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news ... ent-is-he/
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Perhaps Hon Min External Affairs can summon US Ambassador regarding the silencing and expelling opposition members from state legislatures.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/0 ... e-00090992
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https://thetriad.thebulwark.com/p/a-kre ... st-crashes
Kagan argues—entirely persuasively—that in America, foreign policy is always dictated by domestic politics.

That sounds simple, but it’s unbelievably profound and it’s an indictment of people (like me) who tend to think about foreign policy in geostrategic terms. Because the corollary is that: It does not matter how obviously correct a foreign policy is—it will not be sustainable if voters are complaining about the price of gas.


Kagan is so right about US foreign policy always stemming from domestic politics. A good example of this is the military strategy adopted in the Pacific War due to the politics of the election of 1944.

This was the result of the off-year election of 1942, in which the Democrats lost the New Deal majority, due to voters being "upset" by all the "failure" in the war to date. Had the invasion of North Africa happened on November 1, 1942, rather than November 8, following the elections on November 4, it is likely the result would have been vastly different, with the public spirit "elevated" by the great victory. Politically, the result was the resurgence of the conservative southern Democrats allied with the anti-New Deal Republicans. Among the things lost as a result was the Second New Deal, which can basically be described as the 1944 GI Bill for everybody. Also a national health care system.

In the summer of 1944, FDR was faced with his two Pacific Commanders - MacArthur and Nimitz - presenting two radically-different strategies. MacArthur, who was fixated on the Philippines ever since the Great Genius had been chased out of there in 1942, was obsessed with "I shall return," and advocated invading the Philippines that fall. Doing so was seen by every other military strategist as a diversion into a sideshow, since taking the Philippines would involve US forces in a six month campaign that would not advance the war against Japan; defeating Japan would result in the liberation of the Philippines without any such invasion.

Nimitz presented the Navy's plan to invade Formosa (now Taiwan), which would place US forces in a position to interdict the Japanese in eastern China (which would have completely changed the war in China, and thus likely all of post-war Chinese history), as well as provide a second base for the B-29s, closer to Japan than the Marianas. It would provoke a decisive sea battle in which the US Navy would be able to destroy the Imperial Navy.

The decision was so important that FDR traveled to Hawaii to meet both commanders personally. MacArthur had to be forced to go to the meeting. At the meeting, he declared that if his choice was not followed, he would be forced to resign from the Army and seek the Republican nomination for President in the coming election. Given the press agentry his staff accomplished in making him America's Greatest General in PR with the American public, this was a "credible threat."

FDR was very aware of how and why things had gone as they had in 1942 and was determined nothing like that would happen to his re-election in 1944, which he (rightly) viewed as crucial to winning the war. He asked MacArthur when he could invade the Philippines. MacArthur promised to do so by October 1944 - before the elections. FDR then asked Nimitz when the Navy could invade Formosa. Nimitz answered January 1945.

And thus the United States invaded the Philippines, where MacArthur's army engaged in a six month sideshow in which the US Navy was forced to operate in dangerous waters that exposed them unnecesarily to the new threat of the Kamikaze, with final victory delayed by likely several months at least. And the eventual Communist victory in post-war China - and all else that resulted, like the Korean War and Vietnam War - became assured.

Because of the domestic need for political victory in 1944.

Kagan is very right. I'm reading his first book now with this one next - both are highly recommended to anyone interested in understanding American politics and policy.
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^^^^^

A planted story, ref 3rd para below.

Kagan is a certified @#*&^%$#@. An unreliable a source of anything as they come, in his DNA. And, so is Krystol. And, the author of that article is a plant.

BTW, Kagan is THE architect of "Color Revolutions". Kagan/Nuland had Biden request millions to support democracies abroad. = more Color Revolutions. They (neocons) want more Ukraines. They have no reverse gear. Maniacs.

Operation Causeway
Operation Causeway was a planned United States invasion of Formosa (Taiwan) during World War II. Formosa was a Japanese colony since the nineteenth century. It was seen as a possible next step in the planned Allied advance across the Pacific after the capture of the Marianas in summer 1944.

Proposal and purpose

According to the planners, Formosa would have provided a suitable base for the strategic bombing campaign against Japan as well as a staging area for the foreseen invasion of the Japanese home islands. Its planned capture was also seen as a symbolic demonstration of American support for the continued participation of China in the war against Japan.

Support and opposition

Admiral Ernest J. King, Chief of Naval Operations, was a high-profile supporter of the Formosa plan{Not Nimitz, as peddled by Kagan}. He was opposed by General Douglas MacArthur, commander-in-chief of the South West Pacific Area, who pushed for the invasion of Luzon in the Philippines and argued for bypassing Formosa. Admiral Raymond Spruance, commanding the Fifth Fleet, concurred with MacArthur that Operation Causeway was unrealistic without further significant reinforcements in the Pacific theater; instead, Spruance proposed the capture of Iwo Jima and Okinawa, the latter an island smaller than Formosa and therefore not requiring additional troops diverted from Europe.

Rejection

At a high-level meeting in Pearl Harbor in July 1944, President Roosevelt conferred with General MacArthur and Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander-in-Chief of the Pacific Fleet. Both commanders balked at Operation Causeway and advised the president accordingly. Instead MacArthur's plan for the invasion of Luzon and Spruance's proposals were put into operation.
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This is some garbage NeoCon site. Kagan is married to Nuland, with both sharing the NeoCon obsession of destroying Russia. They also had the same obsession with destroying Iraq, first trying to blame Saddam for 9-11, then blaming him for building nukes - both of which were lies. Not only did the NeoCons have the audacity to illegally invade Iraq, but they had the even worse audacity to try and rope in India as the sucker or beast of burden to do this. Krystol & Co made a special trip to India, promising us the Moon, promising us Kashmir, promising us unlimited support against China, promising us anything, if Vajpayee would just send Indian Army to take over occupation of Iraq, so that US forces could withdraw. What kind of audacious suckers' deal is that? We of course politely declined, and US had to lie in the bed they made.

As we know, Europeans were so alarmed by NeoCon adventurism, that they set about hunting down some of these NeoCons once they and the Bush administration left office. For example, Europeans got Neocon Paul Wolfowitz fired from his sinecure at the World Bank.

I see the whole Ukraine-Russia conflict as another NeoCon gambit, this time spearheaded by deep-stater Nuland (Kagan's wife), who is now Undersecretary of State (and whatever else she declares herself to be, since people like Blinken and Austen are just token placeholders).
The Ukraine gambit reignites the military-industrial complex into war fever, while also having the added convenience of keeping the Europeans on the ropes, since they became a hindrance last time around during the Iraq misadventure.

And this time yet again, like last time around, Washington is being extra nice to India, hoping to have us help isolate Russia and also China at bay while they go wrecking Europe. And we again are politely demurring, by continuing to buy Russian oil. Seeing the limits of Quad diplomacy, they're having to go in for AUKUS, while also prodding Japan and Korea to beef up their military postures.

I don't see how this will all work out well. These NeoCons are in over their heads again, and will produce another debacle.

China-brokered peace between Saudi and Iran is like a flanking maneuver that's clearly caught them off guard. Syria's Assad regime will now be re-inducted into Arab League, and Israel will be increasingly isolated. That's gotta be a kick in the privates for Krystol-Kagan-Nuland-et-al.
Maybe they hope to organize some new Arab Spring uprisings for a new round of regime changes, to bring things back more to their liking?
Until that happens, they'll be in a strong state of khujli over this.
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