Arguments from both sides are a little bit more nuanced than that. Not the mobs though.Cyrano wrote:US's fixation on banning abortion despite its 'champion of individual rights ' rhetoric was always a giveaway about its hypocretic core.
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Looking from a purely religious or feminist angle is not nuanced enough, IMHO. Better to look at it from medical ethics pov as well. Also please do take into consideration the science behind the arguments from both sides. Let me say that my interest in this is not as a bystander but as a parent of both female and male grownups.
Mobocracy won't do and some of us would not allow the likes of Warren, Gillibrand, Harris, or Schumer to hijack the issue to win the 2022 mid-terms. The same goes for the GOP folks who want a blanket ban. A ban after 20 weeks may be agreeable to the majority of the folks.
Looking from a purely religious or feminist angle is not nuanced enough, IMHO. Better to look at it from medical ethics pov as well. Also please do take into consideration the science behind the arguments from both sides. Let me say that my interest in this is not as a bystander but as a parent of both female and male grownups.
Mobocracy won't do and some of us would not allow the likes of Warren, Gillibrand, Harris, or Schumer to hijack the issue to win the 2022 mid-terms. The same goes for the GOP folks who want a blanket ban. A ban after 20 weeks may be agreeable to the majority of the folks.
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Reasonable limits may be agreeable for most of the public—something like not doing it after 20 weeks except because of medical and mother's safety reasons. But the issue then will question doctors after the need, and they face prosecution sometimes. That will be a problem.
The US is now a deeply divided society, and both the political gangs are responsible for that.
The US is now a deeply divided society, and both the political gangs are responsible for that.
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Yagnasri gaaru, only "now" it is deeply divided?!!!
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Supreme Court is not banning abortion. They are saying it is every state's right to determine their own policy. Some states like Texas are horrible. They ban it after 6 weeks.
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Roe vs Wade should have been legislation not depend on a Court judgment.
They chickened out and now are facing the bug in cultural software.
They chickened out and now are facing the bug in cultural software.
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And the states can ban abortions for ANY reason including rape and incest. Texas could easily pass a law saying absolutely, totally, comprehensively and completely NO abortions no matter what (forget six weeks) as the life begins at CONCEPTION. Six weeks is not the problem though. Texas law allows private parties to sue abortions providers. If such a thing is considered reasonable by the SC, CA is considering doing the same thing with respect to 2nd amendment. SC may overturn the ROE v WADE and also declare private suits unreasonable which in effect will protect the 2nd amendment while at the same time giving states power to ban abortions. Interesting times ahead.
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This is something that a lot of so called liberals arround the world don't understand. The job of a court is not to enact legislation. It's the job of the legislature to pass laws. The job of the courts is to decide on the basis of the laws passed.ramana wrote:Roe vs Wade should have been legislation not depend on a Court judgment.
They chickened out and not are facing the bug in cultural software.
That is the only way to achieve any degree of predictability in judicial decision making.
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CA is just one of the fifty states in the union. Probably they will secede or threaten to secede?!!! It is quite possible that Si valley breaks off when the next earthquake happens, drifts to the west, and gets joined at the hip with China.saip wrote:CA is considering doing the same thing.
$64 billion surplus would be enough to give a 1BHK to every single Chinese worker oppressed in those Apple factories.
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This is all bread & circuses for the general population to whip them into a frenzy. Inflation is out of control with food and energy inflation being very high. The current US regime has no clue as to how to operate the federal government and is in the process of getting the US into a nuclear war. Rising interest rates to control inflation will make debt servicing harder and make home ownership, already difficult, even more out of reach for most Americans. Wait until end of July when 2nd quarter GDP contraction will be 2.0% or more. Stagflation has started and nuclear war is around the corner.ramana wrote:Roe vs Wade should have been legislation not depend on a Court judgment.
They chickened out and now are facing the bug in cultural software.
#FJB.
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on top of all that, they are sending high profile folks to Pakraine. if anyone gets hurt it is time for WW III. very worrying. what is the need for either Pelosi or Jill Biden to do shake hands w/ faux kejru
of faux Pakistan?!
of faux Pakistan?!
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#FJB.
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The problem is that Democratic party officials are going to Pakraine and are not being called out by the spineless Republicans - who are falling over themselves to send even more money to Pakraine. The establishment US politicians, of both parties, is to ensure the balkanization of Russia as they feel it was responsible for the 2016 election loss. They are sparing no expense even if it means economic, strategic and lives lost. They’ve made it clear that a ceasefire, return to Feb. 2022 or 2014 is not the goal. The goal is to destroy Russia. The US has ensured all exit ramps to end this war are closed along with the Pakraine Nazis.Vayutuvan wrote:on top of all that, they are sending high profile folks to Pakraine. if anyone gets hurt it is time for WW III. very worrying. what is the need for either Pelosi or Jill Biden to do shake hands w/ faux kejru
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If the Supreme Court reverses Roe v Wade I will definitely be voting Democrat up and down the ticket in November, as well as supporting Democrat candidates financially as much as I am able.
And I will not be the only regd Independent to do so. In fact, the Republicans have given the Democrats a rallying point with this issue that has the potential to seriously dent the clean sweep they were expecting.
I am fine with Trumpism but I will not give one inch to Christian Supremacist Terrorism, nor those who abet it by legislation from the bench. All other considerations go out the window. I'm the one that has to live here and Jesus-raj must be opposed by all constitutionally feasible means.
And I will not be the only regd Independent to do so. In fact, the Republicans have given the Democrats a rallying point with this issue that has the potential to seriously dent the clean sweep they were expecting.
I am fine with Trumpism but I will not give one inch to Christian Supremacist Terrorism, nor those who abet it by legislation from the bench. All other considerations go out the window. I'm the one that has to live here and Jesus-raj must be opposed by all constitutionally feasible means.
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What lessons does this hold for India/ world/ design?
Presidents are selected on electoral voting basis ( not majority ) to maintain fairness to smaller states by population.
President selects judge ( 5 were selected by two without public majority)
A sitting president with majority support from congress cannot do anything about a changing judgement
One can argue judiciary should always be free from public opinion . What check/balance is available for judicial overreach?
Or how can the executive branch check the judiciary if necessary?
Presidents are selected on electoral voting basis ( not majority ) to maintain fairness to smaller states by population.
President selects judge ( 5 were selected by two without public majority)
A sitting president with majority support from congress cannot do anything about a changing judgement
One can argue judiciary should always be free from public opinion . What check/balance is available for judicial overreach?
Or how can the executive branch check the judiciary if necessary?
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In US, the justices are appointed by President and confirmed by Senate. The process has become partisan and corrosive still people elect the senators and President and ultimately are responsible for the nomination of these justices. In India, these people in HC/SC nominate themselves and have become force incapable of any controls.Kaivalya wrote:What lessons does this hold for India/ world/ design?
Presidents are selected on electoral voting basis ( not majority ) to maintain fairness to smaller states by population.
President selects judge ( 5 were selected by two without public majority)
A sitting president with majority support from congress cannot do anything about a changing judgement
One can argue judiciary should always be free from public opinion . What check/balance is available for judicial overreach?
Or how can the executive branch check the judiciary if necessary?
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True . Senators also are not representing the country. Only their state. Hence the issue of most people's opinion overruled by a selective minority who want to turn nationwide concerns into state issues.vijayk wrote:Kaivalya wrote:What lessons does this hold for India/ world/ design?
Presidents are selected on electoral voting basis ( not majority ) to maintain fairness to smaller states by population.
President selects judge ( 5 were selected by two without public majority)
A sitting president with majority support from congress cannot do anything about a changing judgement
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In US, the justices are appointed by President and confirmed by Senate. The process has become partisan and corrosive still people elect the senators and President and ultimately are responsible for the nomination of these justices. In India, these people in HC/SC nominate themselves and have become force incapable of any controls.
It does not seem like judiciary nominating themselves or nominated by president/ confirmed by Senate is working
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Senate represents will of all states of USA.
If it is House, it is only a district. They decide the budget for whole nation. We can't fight on this.
In U S, justices need to have a retirement age or fixed term.
Abortion, Gay/Lesbian/Trans/Which bathroom to use ... Sad to see how US Admin and Judiciary are wasting their time.
If it is House, it is only a district. They decide the budget for whole nation. We can't fight on this.
In U S, justices need to have a retirement age or fixed term.
Abortion, Gay/Lesbian/Trans/Which bathroom to use ... Sad to see how US Admin and Judiciary are wasting their time.
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Inflation is stifling the US economy. Gas prices are stubbornly stuck high. The "Sanctions" against Ukraine have effectively boomeranged against common man. The Biden administration has attempted to blame Russia and its president, Vladimir Putin, for the rising cost of living at home, with his officials repeatedly referring to “Putin’s price hike.” 53% of Americans believe that sanctions on Moscow hurt the US more than Russia. Now a majority of US citizens are fine with Ukraine losing to Russia. However, living costs were rising for months before Russia sent troops into Ukraine, and voters are pointing the finger at Biden for their economic woes. Americans were very pro sanctions at first but they are not as keen on the sanctions as they were initially. The Covid Kungflu was another shock to the system which is still clouding economic recovery in the US. The US president Biden has also asked Congress to approve another $33 billion aid package for Ukraine – of which $20 billion would be earmarked for military aid – and on Monday signed the Lend-Lease Act of 2022, allowing Washington to send unlimited quantities of arms to Kiev. All of this is passed on to hapless US tax payer.
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So the US is becoming more unfriendly towards women (abortion rights) as well as children (abuse in churches)... That's the inference the rest of the world should draw? Sounds like something the UNHRC should look into - since both India and the US are members of this august body, perhaps a discussion should be brought up? All in good faith only, since we'll be reciprocating the US' well-intended concern into Indians' hyooman rights. Our concern is of course primarily based on the impact of these issues on the Indian American community, since abortion and women's reproductive rights, including the right to avail maternity leave at workplace, are well settled in India, but also extend to other American ethnicities in the spirit of Vasudaiva kutumbakam*.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Na ... il#Current
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parental_ ... ted_States
* While this sounds like a woolly headed policy in general, we should make use of it in areas like this. We can also play this game, and have a traditional philosophy backing it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Na ... il#Current
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parental_ ... ted_States
* While this sounds like a woolly headed policy in general, we should make use of it in areas like this. We can also play this game, and have a traditional philosophy backing it.
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Democrat supported legislation failed 49-51.
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Biden’s Americas summit is drawing jeers and threats of boycott
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/1 ... s-00031717
[Sleepy Joe doesn't have much clue about what's going around the world.... Also, Kamala-mami is nowhere to be seen lately.]
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/1 ... s-00031717
[Sleepy Joe doesn't have much clue about what's going around the world.... Also, Kamala-mami is nowhere to be seen lately.]
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Ukraine and Russia control about 12% of calories consumed in the world. Imagine what it can do to price of food and it’s impact on the bottom 3rd (by income) of world’s population?
Needless to say how it effects the overall inflation!
After Lanka, BD is having problems.
May be the Dumbocrats want to do regime changes and chaos all over the world. That's why they are doubling down on Ukraine war
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Twitter acquisition deal on hold
I think deep state told Musk to lay off ... There are lot many things being done on there by the US to create world wide and US wide chaos. They don't want this deal to go forward
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I think deep state told Musk to lay off ... There are lot many things being done on there by the US to create world wide and US wide chaos. They don't want this deal to go forward
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Limited inventory grocery store chains are expanding in the US. German Aldi chian.
https://tastecooking.com/the-utopian-pr ... ket-newtab
It is an important milestone for the American grocery store to have 10000 to 14000 SKU barcodes giving so much choice over trivial objects.
OTH these Aldi stores have 1800 items at the most and make shopping a breeze.
https://tastecooking.com/the-utopian-pr ... ket-newtab
It is an important milestone for the American grocery store to have 10000 to 14000 SKU barcodes giving so much choice over trivial objects.
OTH these Aldi stores have 1800 items at the most and make shopping a breeze.
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Aldi and its French version Lidl are very popular, especially due to their regular limited time branded product at deep discount feature. Its actually an example of more moderate European consumerism compared to the endless aisles of Walmarts and Costcos that represent depression and endless credit driven American consumerism.
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Both Aldi and Lidl are German. There is a similar Danish chain called Netto but they are much smaller. All are "no frills" operations with minimal packaging, restricted range of goods and all staff, including the Store Manager, are expected to do any job from stacking shelves to manning the checkout if required.Cyrano wrote:Aldi and its French version Lidl are very popular, especially due to their regular limited time branded product at deep discount feature. Its actually an example of more moderate European consumerism compared to the endless aisles of Walmarts and Costcos that represent depression and endless credit driven American consumerism.
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Can’t understand the fascination for Aldi. The bar codes aren’t a big deal, but loss due to food spoilage is a bigger deal. Big box chains like Sams and Costco are still the rage. There are large regional grocery stores that Aldi can’t compete with like Wegmens, Publix & HEB. Not a grocery store directly, but Bucees convienence stores have a huge following. They’re No. 1 for No. 2.ramana wrote:Limited inventory grocery store chains are expanding in the US. German Aldi chian.
https://tastecooking.com/the-utopian-pr ... ket-newtab
It is an important milestone for the American grocery store to have 10000 to 14000 SKU barcodes giving so much choice over trivial objects.
OTH these Aldi stores have 1800 items at the most and make shopping a breeze.
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Shouldn’t that be 008 or 009?chetak wrote:
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Affluent consumers have been turning to minimalistic dollar stores since the last recession.Mort Walker wrote:Can’t understand the fascination for Aldi.
Here's an article from 2011 which dug into the thought process -
The Dollar Store Economy
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musk replies to parag's tweet with the poop emoji
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Aldi really isn’t a Dollar store, but a smaller grocery store. No different than a Kroger, Neighborhood Walmart or PigglyWiggly. There was a recent study of Dollar stores in poor rural areas which pointed out the trend in such stores where package price is low, but unit cost in weight or volume is high.vera_k wrote:Affluent consumers have been turning to minimalistic dollar stores since the last recession.Mort Walker wrote:Can’t understand the fascination for Aldi.
Here's an article from 2011 which dug into the thought process -
The Dollar Store Economy
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Aldi or Dollar Store: Which is Cheaper
Many times in states from CA going east into TX, you will find roadside (local state 2 lane highways) fruit and vegetable stands that have better prices and quality. The US misses out local produce that we get in Indian cities when people leave offices in the evening, where fruits and vegetables are sold on the roadside.
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From RT Telegram channel:
If true the US has totally lost it. Fixation on Russia and obsession on Putin have reached psychopatic levels it seems
If true the US has totally lost it. Fixation on Russia and obsession on Putin have reached psychopatic levels it seems
The Russian Foreign Intelligence Service reports that - according to its information - the United States is actively recruiting even members of terrorist organizations as mercenaries to participate in the battles in Ukraine, including ISIS (banned in Russia).
In April, with the participation of American intelligence services, about 60 IS militants aged 20-25 were released from prisons controlled by Syrian Kurds, who were then transported to the area of the American base Al-Tanf for combat training and subsequent transfer to Ukraine, SVR reports.
According to the service, "retraining" of up to 500 ISIS and other jihadists loyal to Washington is being carried out there at the same time, with priority given to people from the countries of the Caucasus and Central Asia - the special detachments formed from them are aimed mainly at sabotage and terrorist actions against Russian troops in Syria, and now in Ukraine.
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^ eh. Why is US recruiting terrorists a surprise to us Indians, sir?
After all they have been the ones who have had the right to decide who is a terrorist and who is not. Who is a good terrorist and who is a bad terrorist.
All it needs is a designation change from Terrorist to Militant to Freedom fighter.
After all they have been the ones who have had the right to decide who is a terrorist and who is not. Who is a good terrorist and who is a bad terrorist.
All it needs is a designation change from Terrorist to Militant to Freedom fighter.
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It may not call itself a dollar store, but is attracting the type of consumer who's price sensitive and looking for savings. The thing about packaging is intentional and works to the benefit of both parties. For the customer, it helps when otherwise they'd buy a larger package than required because that was the smallest size available.Mort Walker wrote:Aldi really isn’t a Dollar store, but a smaller grocery store. No different than a Kroger, Neighborhood Walmart or PigglyWiggly. There was a recent study of Dollar stores in poor rural areas which pointed out the trend in such stores where package price is low, but unit cost in weight or volume is high.