Understanding the US - Again

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby yensoy » 21 Dec 2018 11:50

This is a huge development. US pulling out of Syria, pulling 50% troops out of Afghanistan, and Mad Dog quitting, all this amidst a cold war brewing with the Chinese, and an imminent entry into a recessionary period. Trump, it could turn out, may be ahead of the curve in preparing for a cold winter by cutting the unnecessary costs of optional wars. Why squander money, men and materiel on issues of no particular concern or with any strategic end game in sight? Obama declared victory and pulled out US troops from Iraq, and now DT is doing the same in Syria/Afg but this time the liberal media is crying foul.

Lowering US troop numbers in Afghanistan is only good for us. This means less dependence of the US on Pakistan, therefore less leverage in the hands of the Pakis. More mayhem in Afghanistan is a side effect, but this will again tie Paki hands because of the inevitable blowback. Afghanistan is a country of 30+ million and needs to figure out its sh!t by itself. Paki "strategic depth" is a non-issue because the China-Paki JV already has huge strategic depth.

Let us sit back and watch the Pakis fiddle in Afghanistan matters all over again, and get burnt, all over again. There is no additional threat to us that was not there earlier. Moreover this time there is a lot of animosity in Pakistan towards the Afghans and vice versa, there is a border wall being built (i.e. lots of $$ used), and dissent within the KPK territories. The only change is China who has the money, muscle and motivation to jump in, but they aren't stupid to not learn from history.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 21 Dec 2018 12:11

Afghan war is now 17 years old. That's since 2001. In fact it is 39 years old, if u count the stupid meddling that led to the rise of the Pakiban - and 9/11. Meanwhile Iraq is in its Revenge for Revenge for Revenge for Revenge for Revenge for... mode. Syria is getting there. Overall, nice portfolio of successes for Foggy Bottom and Gontapen.

And BTW, Thin Young One has just discovered that he needs all those nukes and nuke-bombers out of Guam, plus the boomers, b4 he can consider de-nuking. Now the cheen is REALLY close to winning the Pacific and the Cheen Ocean and clearing the US out of there.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Singha » 21 Dec 2018 12:23

I await with bated breath, cheen attempting to manage and take over afghanistan with its money.
if history is any guide, nobody can rule afghanistan - not with money, not with guns, not even islam is a glue. its just one of these 'spaces between civilizations' which seem to drift into chaos in cycles.

we need to pick our factions in afghanistan and arm and train them well. war is coming probably.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 21 Dec 2018 15:42

^^the question is which side. i dont think training will be an issue in the land which has given lot of pains to the two superpowers. It's just a question of money. As kerry truthful packer said during taliban days, if we could hold them for few million we can defeat them in few billions. It could be a good test for our fledgling MIC, Arjun, Atags, can find good use there

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

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So hard to believe that Lindsey Graham would be against saving soldier lives & billions of $$$. Why are we fighting for our enemy, Syria, by staying & killing ISIS for them, Russia, Iran & other locals? Time to focus on our Country & bring our youth back home where they belong!

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Aditya_V » 21 Dec 2018 17:37

Singha wrote:I await with bated breath, cheen attempting to manage and take over afghanistan with its money.
if history is any guide, nobody can rule afghanistan - not with money, not with guns, not even islam is a glue. its just one of these 'spaces between civilizations' which seem to drift into chaos in cycles.

we need to pick our factions in afghanistan and arm and train them well. war is coming probably.

Ghori might have taken some stones from Somath to be used as steps for a mosque . Since that time Afgans have been cursed and without peace

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby chanakyaa » 21 Dec 2018 18:54

yensoy wrote:This is a huge development. US pulling out of Syria, pulling 50% troops out of Afghanistan, and Mad Dog quitting, all this amidst a cold war brewing with the Chinese, and an imminent entry into a recessionary period...

Saar, its pre-Election time in massa-land. Right time for sloganeering and bring our boyz home c..r..@..p.

This is how aam abdul in massa-land (and world) is made zhutiya.

Aug, 24, 2017
Troop Increase in Afghanistan Is Underway, General Says

Jan 21, 2018
Up to 1,000 more U.S. troops could be headed to Afghanistan this spring

Dec 20, 2018
U.S. plans for more than 5,000 troops to be withdrawn from Afghanistan

Look like 5,000 more sent since middle of 2017 and same number or some more coming back. Looks like some reduction is happening, but when was the last time anyone saw a genuine investigative report counting real number of troops in Afg.? Pull out any MSM article, and you will find it difficult to see an agreement on a number. All news reports provide a number, but caveat it by saying some "unidentified" source that the real number could be higher. And about pulling out of Syria, when was the last time uncle left a country after entering uninvited?

Uncle Overseas Deployments

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Gus » 21 Dec 2018 19:22

all supposed 'adults in the room' (or the hobblers of trump's agenda, as seen by trumpians) are almost gone now. not a single one is left behind. when kelly's gone, all top posts will be fox news type hires, trump personal loyalists etc.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby yensoy » 21 Dec 2018 21:13

chanakyaa wrote:Look like 5,000 more sent since middle of 2017 and same number or some more coming back. Looks like some reduction is happening, but when was the last time anyone saw a genuine investigative report counting real number of troops in Afg.? Pull out any MSM article, and you will find it difficult to see an agreement on a number. All news reports provide a number, but caveat it by saying some "unidentified" source that the real number could be higher. And about pulling out of Syria, when was the last time uncle left a country after entering uninvited?


The reason I think this is a non-trivial occurrence is because of Matthis departure. He clearly had some game plan in mind and Trump's move (or reversal of earlier move) short-circuited it. Therefore it is not business as usual.

Gus wrote:all supposed 'adults in the room' (or the hobblers of trump's agenda, as seen by trumpians) are almost gone now. not a single one is left behind. when kelly's gone, all top posts will be fox news type hires, trump personal loyalists etc.


Don't forget the Zionists. They could drive Trump's agenda moving forward now that the rest of the opposition has been decimated.

Trump's cabinet departures, their public exit tweets and ensuing drama is looking a lot like RBI guv departures. Clearly, leadership has a bigger picture of how they want things to evolve and their subordinates (even if "independent") are getting in the way.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Singha » 21 Dec 2018 22:15

i believe bolton and netanyahu are united by their khujli to launch a war against iran asap ?

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Singha » 21 Dec 2018 23:13

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Russia to set up a naval base and to establish a military airfield on the island of Orchilla, 200 kms off the coast of Caracas, Venezuela. Heavy Tu-160 strategic bombers will also be deployed here. | Itar-Tass

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Mort Walker » 21 Dec 2018 23:53

Singha wrote:i believe bolton and netanyahu are united by their khujli to launch a war against iran asap ?


A war with Iran is guaranteed loss for unkil and defeat for the Donald in 2020. At this point the deep state people are gone from the admin and we may see real change in US foreign policy.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby ramana » 22 Dec 2018 04:00

:((
Mort Walker wrote:
saip wrote:Trump is also declaring (half) victory in Afghanistan and withdrawing half the troops.


Pulling out of Syria was fine.

The US cannot continue constant wars and deployments to 1,000 locations around the world. At the same time this administration is handing the keys back to the Taliban and pakis. Afpak and Syria seem to have been the straw that broke the camel's back for Mad Dog.


Like Rome in 400 AD

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 22 Dec 2018 05:49

Singha wrote:Brasco_Aad
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Russia to set up a naval base and to establish a military airfield on the island of Orchilla, 200 kms off the coast of Caracas, Venezuela. Heavy Tu-160 strategic bombers will also be deployed here. | Itar-Tass


Wow! Surprised that they would announce this. Sounds like Disinformationsky. That would be in-the-face of the Monroe Doctrine. Not since Cuba 1961 has this been tried. Grenada tried stepping out of line and was invaded, IMO. A POTUS who allows this may be dissed as the worst in US history, but warmongers. Unfortunately the Other Side is now more warmongering than the usual warmongers. Special Prosecutor anyone?

If Russians get away with this, much larger cheen Trans-South-American Belt/Noose will come up. There may soon be North Korean nuclear subs and mijjiles pointing north from El Salvador (I forget: do they have a coast? never mind). Colombia and Honduras may need THAAD systems.

Also, if Venezuela gets away with this, can Argentina be far behind? French Guyana? Bermuda?

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Mort Walker » 22 Dec 2018 21:50

^^^The easiest way to do this is to bring down the price of oil.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby abhik » 22 Dec 2018 23:12

Unlike You-Ass, I doubt Russians have enough military assets (Bombers etc) to maintain permanent presence half way round the world, probably just see some photo ops.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Mort Walker » 23 Dec 2018 03:09

^^^They only have one squadron around 16-18 with another 10 in production. Of that, my guess is less than 2/3 are really serviceable. The rest are hanger queens. If oil prices can be kept below $50/barrel, it will seriously constrain RuAF deployment and acquisitions.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Singha » 23 Dec 2018 07:40

Two blackjacks and a tanker visited venezuela and flew
Mock patrols in caribbean sea this month

May not have a permanent unit but a permanent staging
Post ror long missions and then return a few days later needling the usa on both legs

A place called conakry on west coast of africa was used this in cold war

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Postby Singha » 23 Dec 2018 07:44

Guinea from wiki


Former French colony in Equatorial Africa gained independence in 1958 and became contested by Soviet Union and US as every other new African state. The country was led by Ahmed Sékou Touré. At first the dictator and Soviet Union did not get along as Soviet ambassador was expelled for meddling in internal affairs and during Cuban Missile Crisis the Soviets requested to use the airfield in Guinea for their jets, but were denied. However, in 1970 Portugal staged invasion by mercenary troops to overthrow Touré, because he was supporting independence movement in Portuguese Guinea. The invasion failed and Touré was forced to seek protection from Soviets. Soviet fleet was stationed in Conakry port and TU-95D reconnaissance planes were sent to airfield. It was useful for tracking the US naval movements. In 1974 the Portuguese Guinea became independent Guinea-Bissau and Touré no longer felt danger and need for Soviet protection. Soviet naval and air force contingent meanwhile remained in the country. In 1977 Soviet Union pressed Guinea to have permanent naval base, however Touré resisted and forbid Soviet Airforce to take reconnaissance flights from his country.[28] Eventually Soviets had to abandon Guinea. Touré died in 1984 and their successors did not wat to Soviets back.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 23 Dec 2018 09:01

That is the African place. Quite interesting for political prospects. There is an Ariane launch site in central America - north coast of south America: Guyana, hain?

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Singha » 23 Dec 2018 09:24

Yes but thats under french rule so russia cannot get in
Venezuela is a viable country if ruled well and supported

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Singha » 23 Dec 2018 23:54

Talk about being booted out

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Washington (CNN) — President Donald Trump announced on Sunday he would replace Defense Secretary James Mattis at the start of the new year, two months earlier than Mattis' planned departure.
"I am pleased to announce that our very talented Deputy Secretary of Defense, Patrick Shanahan, will assume the title of Acting Secretary of Defense starting January 1, 2019. Patrick has a long list of accomplishments while serving as Deputy, & previously Boeing. He will be great!" Trump tweeted.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Lalmohan » 24 Dec 2018 02:09

boeingbabu is a strong supporter of the space force
although it is highly unusual to have a defsec directly from industry apparently, no policy experience, etc. but clear linkages to one of the largest suppliers...

if the zionists are supporting trump then why is trump blaming soros for the lack of wall... me no comprendo

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Postby Singha » 24 Dec 2018 08:50

I dont think the nativist mostly protestant blood n soil faction is fond of the industry/finance led zion lobby of east coast elites and their elite lutheran/unitarian co travellers

Culturally the area between maryland to massachuetts types believe they occupy the high ground in deciding policy and what is good for murica being the richest region

Presidents can be from anywhere but i bet upper ranks of all ministries and think tanks are loaded with these people

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Singha » 24 Dec 2018 10:12

DT tweets about a good design for the fence

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 8461987841

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Postby Mort Walker » 25 Dec 2018 01:18

Singha wrote:DT tweets about a good design for the fence

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 8461987841


Somebody needs to show DT the space pics of the wall/barrier/fence along Indo pak border. Lit up with half million flood lights.

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Postby Singha » 25 Dec 2018 19:39

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My friend Lindsay Graham is a bit mad right now. You see, he’s never seen a war end before. He’s going to have to console himself with the fact that we still are in about 8 more. I know it will be hard for him, but I think he’ll get by.

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Postby UlanBatori » 25 Dec 2018 20:03

Singha wrote:Culturally the area between maryland to massachuetts types believe they occupy the high ground in deciding policy and what is good for murica being the richest region. Presidents can be from anywhere but i bet upper ranks of all ministries and think tanks are loaded with these people

Obviously, Kublai Khan's primary courtiers live in Ulan Bator suburbs.
In the case of Duplicity, the Baboon live in DC, Maryland, Virgnia. Some own spreads in Pennsylvania where land is cheap(er). Yes, the Virginia/Maryland arrogance is 2 b cn 2 b believed. Its a "this is how we do it in guvrmand" mentality, much like Dilli Billis.

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Postby yensoy » 25 Dec 2018 20:55

Mort Walker wrote:
Singha wrote:DT tweets about a good design for the fence
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 8461987841

Somebody needs to show DT the space pics of the wall/barrier/fence along Indo pak border. Lit up with half million flood lights.


And backed up with landmines. They don't do landmines in Amreeka; it's hard to use a Mexican with blown up leg to fix your roof whereas with a Paki we couldn't care.

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Postby Mort Walker » 26 Dec 2018 07:09

Singha wrote:I dont think the nativist mostly protestant blood n soil faction is fond of the industry/finance led zion lobby of east coast elites and their elite lutheran/unitarian co travellers

Culturally the area between maryland to massachuetts types believe they occupy the high ground in deciding policy and what is good for murica being the richest region

Presidents can be from anywhere but i bet upper ranks of all ministries and think tanks are loaded with these people


Yes, that is correct. Key members of congress, supreme court judges, cabinet members, joint chiefs, and US presidents are all products of the Ivy League universities. Harvard, Yale, and Princeton primarily who have degrees in the humanities, business and law. Trump - Penn, Obama - Harvard, Bush II - Harvard, Clinton - Yale, Bush I - Yale.

This is the reason why so many Asian origin people want their kids to go to the Ivy's. They make the decisions for the US similar to the IAS officers of the Britshit Raj. A couple of thousand or so people impacting the lives of hundreds of millions. All greasing the palms of each other.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby ramana » 28 Dec 2018 05:32

Gautam, Do you know this police department?

https://twitter.com/NYPDChiefofDept/sta ... 56224?s=19

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Postby g.sarkar » 28 Dec 2018 15:45

No, Ramanaji. The City of Newman is not too far from Merced, where I live, and I have passed by this small city, on my way to somewhere else. Population is 10K, small and rural. Their Police Department must also be very small. Such things did not happen in such places. Officer Singh was only 33 years old and leaves behind a son and wife. The killer's identity is already known. As a cop killer CDCR will welcome him and provide him with safe housing.The case is all over the local news.
https://www.facebook.com/ugesh.yogi.sin ... 8997073357
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Postby habal » 28 Dec 2018 17:39

Singha wrote:I dont think the nativist mostly protestant blood n soil faction is fond of the industry/finance led zion lobby of east coast elites and their elite lutheran/unitarian co travellers

Culturally the area between maryland to massachuetts types believe they occupy the high ground in deciding policy and what is good for murica being the richest region

Presidents can be from anywhere but i bet upper ranks of all ministries and think tanks are loaded with these people




does this remind you of lootyens ??
protgonist is karen z. turner.
she is a good friend and worked for hillary clinton. :wink:
a perfect specimen of your east coast, maryland elite.

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Postby Singha » 28 Dec 2018 23:27

The american south blood and soil national psyche is similar to russia.
Both see and project themselves as a nation of rugged individualists able to survive extreme weather and hardships and eke something out of what was wasteland.

Deeply religious, hard drinkers and hard fighters. Both can be deeply racist both can be very warm culture

South was thinly settled until home air conditioning was invented

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Postby UlanBatori » 29 Dec 2018 22:18

I wonder about that. Even in late 70s most dorm rooms in Deep South universities were not airconditioned. Cities were pretty densely populated. Need for a/c in the countryside was minimal. Fans were prevalent: huge electric ones with wooden blades, after they lost the slave-powered versions.

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Postby Gus » 29 Dec 2018 22:46

Geographical South east (the political south) was fairly well populated as climate was hot n humid but had water sources etc.

Geographical south west was unpopulated and needed ac. SoCal Phx LV etc got population density only after hoover dam.

There was a video that showed population growth in US with milestones such as the dam.

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Postby Singha » 29 Dec 2018 23:25

The russian culture though contiguous to europe seems very different . I wonder if anyone has written an analysis on their society what are the major issues that they care about

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Postby Mort Walker » 30 Dec 2018 23:26

Not all southern states are gaining population.

High-Tax State Exodus

Then there’s California. Despite its balmy weather and thriving tech industry, the Golden State last year lost more people to other states than it gained from foreign immigration. Since 2010, a net 710,000 people have left California for other states. One reason is high housing prices, fueled by onerous land and zoning regulations, which have driven out thousands of middle-income families.

Jobs and businesses have also fled the state’s high taxes and regulation. A study this month by business relocation consultant Joe Vranich estimates that 1,800 businesses shifted jobs or capital out of California in 2016 and about 13,000 companies have left the state since 2008. Over the last decade $76.7 billion in capital and 275,000 jobs have moved out of the state.

While California’s population continues to grow because of its relatively high birth rate and foreign immigration, other states that are hostile to business have been less blessed. Nine states lost population last year including Alaska, Connecticut, Louisiana, Hawaii, Illinois, Mississippi, New York, West Virginia and Wyoming. Alaska, Louisiana, West Virginia and Wyoming are heavily dependent on the vagaries of energy prices, but the economic malaise in Connecticut, Illinois, Hawaii and New York is self-inflicted.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo recently blamed cold weather for the state’s population exodus, but last year frigid New Hampshire with no income tax attracted 3,900 newcomers from other states. Last year’s federal tax reform limited the deductibility of state-and-local taxes and may be driving more affluent households out of high-tax states, though it’s too early to have hard data. Immigration flows into New York City mask the economic debacle of upstate despite Mr. Cuomo’s corporate-welfare programs.

Illinois’s population has declined by 157,000 over the past five years, which is equivalent to the mid-sized city of Rockford. According to research outfit Wirepoints, more than 114,000 residents left the state on net in 2018 and nearly 1.5 million people since 2000. Cold weather? While Illinois’s population has declined by 0.8% since 2010, Indiana’s has grown 3.1% and Wisconsin’s by 2.2%.

These population shifts mean that several states including New York, Illinois and Minnesota are likely to lose House seats after the 2020 reapportionment. States that have been rapidly adding population like Arizona, Florida and Texas are likely to increase their representation. It’d be nice to think this would finally prompt Democratic politicians to rethink their anti-growth policies. But with state political cultures dominated by public unions and welfare spending, they probably require a much deeper crisis to face reality.



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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby arun » 03 Jan 2019 19:13

X Posted from the India-US thread.US President's rant regards our country's efforts in Afghanistan:

“I could give you an example where, I get along very well with India and prime minister Modi, but he’s constantly telling me he built a library in Afghanistan. Ok a library. That’s like, you know what that is? It’s like five hours of what we spend, and he tells it, and he’s very smart, and we’re supposed to say, ‘Oh thank you for the library’.

“I don’t know who’s using it in Afghanistan, but it’s one of those things.”


From the UK's Independent:

Trump mocks India’s prime minister Narendra Modi over library in Afghanistan: ‘I don’t know who’s using it’


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