Understanding the US - Again

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Yagnasri » 28 Jan 2019 16:29

I think the huge cost of college degrees etc may be the reason. Student loans looks like a big scam with no one allowed to go for insolvency and huge cost of useless degrees in sociology and what not. To think that my father paid Rs 800 per year for a law decree for me in India in 1990s and still complained.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby chetak » 28 Jan 2019 23:07

twitter

US' National Security Advisor John Bolton warned Venezuela of "significant response" if US diplomats or Juan Guaido are threatened

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They lied about #Iran
They lied about #Vietnam
They lied about #Chile
They lied about #Iraq
They lied about #Afghanistan
They lied about #Iraq. Again.
They lied about #Libya.
They lied about #Syria.

But yeah, sure, THIS TIME it's for a good cause. #Venezuela

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Suraj » 29 Jan 2019 05:13

Yagnasri wrote:I think the huge cost of college degrees etc may be the reason. Student loans looks like a big scam with no one allowed to go for insolvency and huge cost of useless degrees in sociology and what not. To think that my father paid Rs 800 per year for a law decree for me in India in 1990s and still complained.

Student loans have not only ballooned in aggregate terms, but student loan holders are also increasingly at risk of defaulting on other types of loans.
Student loan delinquency the only one on a rising trend
Percent of at risk loans held by student loan borrowers
Student loan aggregate outstanding, securitized

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Singha » 29 Jan 2019 08:23

the myth of "opportunity" and a few bread n circus moves like everyone having a iphone is perhaps wearing a bit thin for millenials who are not able to "start off career with a house, car, wife and dog"

a unkind cut was the end of EMI plans by the big carriers to afford iphones and the cost escalating to $1000.

but rest of bread and circus like large screen TV, beer, petrol , junk food is still cheap relative to almost anywhere else. even renting is cheap barring a few job creating urban pockets.

they say young people want to be "asset light" and "not be tied down" so not really interested in anything but working themselves to the bone and enjoying experiences. married is probably being postponed and 2 kid norm is dead. 1 is a bonus. tinder is busy.

the political and social views of this lot when they are the incumbent mid-career bulge in another 10 years will be interesting...

in his own anarchist way, "Bane" was right wasnt he? there will emerge plenty of such messiahs leveraging the social media and underground post-truth networks...various untermensch and marginalized like the huge prison pop, "freemen", blood n soil "nativists", militias of all stripes , antifa fringes are likely to rally and answer the clarion call. there are more small arms out there than the population of the country. bump stocks are always on deep discount.

parts of EU too have high rates of gun ownership as does the Arabian zone. that nutjob Breivik fellow in norway just rowed in and put down 40 kids one morning.

a period of stagnation always brings forth messiahs who have a searing intensity and clarity of purpose to give some meaning and direction to the frustrated sheep - just as adolf hitler did a while ago. the discredited inbred pro-rich hypocritical duopoly on american politics is dying....in their place a new order or many new orders will emerge. among them a small but influential portion will be nutjobs willing to say or do "whatever it takes" to push forth their uh vision strongly.

the much feared SudenWall is just a nuisance issue. what lies beyond the wire out there is unknown...stirrings of ancient evils and deeply buried emotions ....


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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Singha » 29 Jan 2019 08:49

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/forced- ... eststories

as always the smaller levels of govt/any system are always quick to unleash their discretionary powers and wrath on the hapless underclass.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Gus » 29 Jan 2019 08:57

huawei is indicted. cheen cannot take it out on canada in frustu. their growth rate is slowing down already. would be interesting to see their reaction to this..

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Yagnasri » 29 Jan 2019 09:49

Failing family structure may be a serious long term weakness of Khanland. People who don't want to marry, don't want or can not have kids, don't want or can not settle to settle and have a healthy social life, always on anti-depressants or other medication for metal health issues pose a serious threat. It is funny no one in Khanland see this as a serious social and economical issue.

If you see any Tv serial or even movies now most of the heros or others have one kind of weakness or another. Even Super Heros like Batman or wonder woman are mentally ill or has issues. While there is nothing wrong in people having mental issues when a large section of population is in need for mental health care on regular basis there is something seriously wrong.

I have a mango question here. Maybe OT. Indian armed forces, RR units, SF units, police etc work in places like J&K under serious threat for years. Do they also suffer from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder? Most of the Khan armed forces which take part in any armed action seems to have that problem. Is ti common all over world? We do not hear it in Indian forces and our people fight under same if not more stress. Why?

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby chetak » 29 Jan 2019 12:03

Yagnasri wrote:Failing family structure may be a serious long term weakness of Khanland. People who don't want to marry, don't want or can not have kids, don't want or can not settle to settle and have a healthy social life, always on anti-depressants or other medication for metal health issues pose a serious threat. It is funny no one in Khanland see this as a serious social and economical issue.

If you see any Tv serial or even movies now most of the heros or others have one kind of weakness or another. Even Super Heros like Batman or wonder woman are mentally ill or has issues. While there is nothing wrong in people having mental issues when a large section of population is in need for mental health care on regular basis there is something seriously wrong.

I have a mango question here. Maybe OT. Indian armed forces, RR units, SF units, police etc work in places like J&K under serious threat for years. Do they also suffer from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder? Most of the Khan armed forces which take part in any armed action seems to have that problem. Is ti common all over world? We do not hear it in Indian forces and our people fight under same if not more stress. Why?


PTSD was not so well recognized earlier but due to increased awareness and prevalence, it is now being gradually accorded some attention but this is not universally true. Many medical professionals are still medievally dismissive of PTSD and are quite ready to trot out the time honored excuses of malingering and shamming as a credible diagnosis.

BTW, PTSD is not prevalent only amongst the fighting forces but also among the lay public and this may arise from a litany of causes, starting from work pressures to peer, social, financial and familial pressures that render a person helpless, deserted and orphaned and feeling overwhelmed, unable to cope and seeking refuge in physical/verbal abuse of near and dear ones, underlings, and in violence and drugs.

Drinking is mostly unrecognized as a drug abuse but like smoking, it is a socially accepted drug abuse and so it conveniently passes scrutiny under the catchall Indian phrase of "bad habits". Even otherwise sane mothers are quite indulgent of "bad habits" when it comes to their beloved sons and husbands. In many metros, Indian women using alcohol and nicotine as a crutch for a variety of precipitating factors is becoming rampant.

Drinking and smoking are real drug abuse and should be recognized as such in situations where aggression, depression, withdrawal, suicidal, and homicidal tendencies are an issue.

I sometimes wonder how many of the US "school" shootings have their roots in unrecognized and untreated PTSD related issues.
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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Singha » 29 Jan 2019 12:13

a few days a brf member reported that a man in his neighbouring flat (in blr) lost it and started yelling and hurting himself. has two kids. people took him in for treatment which will probably be mood altering drugs.
a friends wife in NIH suffered a complete mental breakdown over months due to job pressure and finally has to take a long sabbatical and look around for another less pressure job within gotus. her kids very worried and scared. prescription mood drugs.

mood drugs are almost becoming a lifestyle pill there, like multivitamins or vitaminC tabs.

I would add overuse of sugar and sugar/carb cravings as a long term drug. only thing is sugar is ELO and flies under radar and basks in social acceptance as mithai for happy occasions, bakery items and syrups and bottled drinks all over the world. i guess it damages organs as much as prolonged drinking does if not more.

these days among sections of people, having a hard drink daily is starting to become common, because (a) long job hours (b) not much to do in free time (c) they can afford it. its not a good thing imo.

people with long healthy lives like some of our grandparent generation woke up really early, slept early, worked physically, ate pure food, never ate out except at weddings , large families and good social life kept stress levels low, did not suffer the anxiety of modern parents over their large troop of kids .... we the self proclaimed elites are violating just about every rule in that rulebook.... perhaps with heavy medical intervention and pills some from our tribes will match their lifespan....but I do not see anyone summiting such peaks without strong medical crutches :roll:

a week ago a high BP guy in my batch around 46yo dropped dead from a brain haemorrage deep inside his brain, almost impossible to operate on except in AIIMS type places and there too 20% chances

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Singha » 29 Jan 2019 12:21

one good thing about the hispanic migration is their family structure and religious beliefs seem intact (unlike the hapless blacks).
increasingly they might also retain more ties with the mother country than just forget where they came from.

busloads of them are now appearing at the border and just walking across to get arrested and into camps, incl unaccompanied kids.

things must be pretty hopeless in central american belt.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Lalmohan » 29 Jan 2019 14:34

the gang violence in central America and attendant drug wars have reached a scale and ferocity that drives people to migration
things are very ugly in many countries of central America - doesn't always make the headlines, but easily found on google news, etc.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Singha » 29 Jan 2019 16:39

whose brilliant idea is it to destablize and make a libya out of venezuela?
seems to murica has this pavlovian response to anyone who (a) not pro murica (b) has oil (c) has a strategic location (d) does NOT have nukular weapons
if all of a,b,c,d are YES, then its almost certain they will be the next victim of 'spreading democracy' - iraq, libya, iran all on that list.
now venezuela.

the cartels rule the gulf coast of mehico, and both coasts of central america for distribution and staging purposes.
colombia is their factory and strategic depth being a large wooded place.
so now these 'strategic' geniuses have to make another colombia out of venezuela :rotfl:

thats going to help the 'war on drugs' .... i can see that.
war on drugs seems to be the same never ending spending head that keeps 1000s of people employed and in power...same as global war on terror and the war on poverty (in congressi india)
no outcome is desired lest empires wither and funds dry up...but the war must be fought

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 29 Jan 2019 18:48

they say young people want to be "asset light" and "not be tied down" so not really interested in anything but working themselves to the bone and enjoying experiences. married is probably being postponed and 2 kid norm is dead. 1 is a bonus. tinder is busy.

Recent gyan, coincidentally from ... let's see... an executive of UBER or related entity:
Young people these days have no interest in buying and driving their own car. Prefer to ride with somebody.

:roll:

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Lalmohan » 29 Jan 2019 18:57

the 'west' has thrown its weight behind the new guy in Venezuela now - almost indecently quickly! they are hoping that maduro quietly slips away, although nobody would mind if he had a gaddafi style final scene in the back of a pick up truck
so far the army is with maduro (cos the army controls the economy like another country we know kids...)
so the khel is far from being khelo'ed

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Singha » 29 Jan 2019 21:00

recently in a show of support, 2 x Tu160 dropped by in venezuela, participated in a exercise and flew away.

thats another black mark on venezuelan regime.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Lalmohan » 29 Jan 2019 21:01

yes, uncle vlad likes maduro

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Vikas » 29 Jan 2019 21:13

Like modern day companies that rise and fall quickly, USA is also an empire that will come to a grinding halt and will have time span shorter than any other empire in history.
What made Amreka great is also bringing its wheel of fortunes to halt. The chase for materialistic assets, open society, Oil and unbridled power is now its bane and like a Athlete on steroids, can't bring itself to stop.
As my young cousin from USA says, 'Millennials in USA are the true Zen monks of our times. Not attached with anything, worried only about Today and have no real assets'.

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Postby Vikas » 29 Jan 2019 21:14

Singha wrote:recently in a show of support, 2 x Tu160 dropped by in venezuela, participated in a exercise and flew away.

thats another black mark on venezuelan regime.


If PoTUS and MIC has made up his mind, then Venezuela shall have democracy, come hell or high water.
Bye Bye maduro

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Singha » 29 Jan 2019 21:48

well they could not get rid of the castro brothers after all these years of trying...just sayin

cuba is just 100 miles off the keys and a lot poorer than venezuela in natural resources.

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none of them look starving or war wounded to me. which means they have simply given up hope of a future in their own country and the bread and soup of the US detention camp is preferable while they await favourable political winds.

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Postby Vikas » 29 Jan 2019 22:08

Singha wrote:well they could not get rid of the castro brothers after all these years of trying...just sayin
cuba is just 100 miles off the keys and a lot poorer than venezuela in natural resources.


Coobans only had great cigars and no Oil and that's what saved them.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby chetak » 29 Jan 2019 22:37

Vikas wrote:
Singha wrote:recently in a show of support, 2 x Tu160 dropped by in venezuela, participated in a exercise and flew away.

thats another black mark on venezuelan regime.


If PoTUS and MIC has made up his mind, then Venezuela shall have democracy, come hell or high water.
Bye Bye maduro


the OPEC wallas don't want this guy to screw around with their oil prices fixing and meddling in their pet markets like India, for example.

The US is the only one who can get the job done.
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Postby Lalmohan » 29 Jan 2019 22:40

the migrants face poor economic choices and high degree of coercion/violence from criminal gangs at home. young men are forced into becoming gang members, young women... well you know what happens there. the law and order problem could be fixed at the source if demand for the alternative agricultural products of central America from continental north America (and elsewhere) were to decline... but it never seems to want to do that...

read an article today that suggests that Venezuela might serve as an attractive distraction/proxy war to suit both the US and Ru in this time of bread and circuses

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Postby Singha » 29 Jan 2019 22:50

>> if demand for the alternative agricultural products of central America

:rotfl: great language for brave new alt-truth world.

I think the opiod epidemic has truly mainstreamed the whole thing....doing the hard stuff is now no worse than a drink or two too many on a night out vs the usual peg (opiods/OD prescription meds of mood altering nature)

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its kind of peaked so says the atlantic:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... ll/573784/

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Postby Lalmohan » 29 Jan 2019 23:12

opiods can be controlled much more easily... mostly prescription drugs, often prescribed by doctors
the pushers wear suits and sit in swish office tower blocks
and pay taxes
its all good

also, others here will know more about this - but I guess that Colombia's finest produce is for high end recreational useage for those with a reasonable disposable income. for mango joe the prescription opiod or crystal meth is more affordable and Afghanistan's finest is increasingly niche

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Postby ShyamSP » 29 Jan 2019 23:51

Vikas wrote:
Singha wrote:well they could not get rid of the castro brothers after all these years of trying...just sayin
cuba is just 100 miles off the keys and a lot poorer than venezuela in natural resources.


Coobans only had great cigars and no Oil and that's what saved them.


One Mexican, when asked why you have enough oil but gasoline prices are same as in US, said they control oil refineries. US wants to be OPEC of Americas.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby chanakyaa » 30 Jan 2019 08:07

Lalmohan wrote:...
read an article today that suggests that Venezuela might serve as an attractive distraction/proxy war to suit both the US and Ru in this time of bread and circuses

Uncle had plenty of time to deal with Maduro since his election in 2013 (especially after severe drop in oil prices in 2015). I'm not quite sure if vlad threw a googly by sending two Tu-160s, or current events are pre-emptive attempts by uncle to avoid cooban mijjle crysis 2.0.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Cain Marko » 30 Jan 2019 08:25

chetak wrote:
They lied about #Iran
They lied about #Vietnam
They lied about #Chile
They lied about #Iraq
They lied about #Afghanistan
They lied about #Iraq. Again.
They lied about #Libya.
They lied about #Syria.

But yeah, sure, THIS TIME it's for a good cause. #Venezuela


Well, the odds have to catch up sooner or later Saar..

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Postby Singha » 30 Jan 2019 10:03

the "asset light" model is imo making a virtue out of a reality.
if todays income model in SV/SFO/NYC does not permit a highly educated white collar young people to own a suburban home with a white picket fence and spawn two lovely extracurricularly overachieving A+ ivy league bound kids...without a successful startup exit...ie not enough savings or value for money realty/edu options.....market that as a virtue ..... rent a delightful loft in the city with restored wood and high ceilings, be close to all the interesting things, travel to ASEAN/polynesia, visit paris with similar young friends for a weekend of revelry, eat specially cooked home delivered organic food, vlog ..... and lo and behold you can gift wrap and market that as a "asset light" model and the new way to be :mrgreen:

p.s have all your possessions able to fit in 3 suitcases - but highly branded from small japanese and euro outfits.

Rich need young people to focus on work to make rich richer . Even the cucumbers in water jug of wework say stop work when you are done, not when you are tired. Talk about literally drinking the kool aid

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/26/busi ... -tgim.html

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby abhik » 30 Jan 2019 11:05

^^^
Not to forget, It is also economy friendly onlee.

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Postby Gus » 30 Jan 2019 11:09

our friend the bird is back in the game, courtesy trump ..who esteemed folks here were arguing that he'll be a break from clintonistas

https://indianexpress.com/article/expla ... n-5558513/
But by the middle of 2018, it was clear that the White House was pushing for direct talks with the Taliban urgently. By then, Robin Raphel, the former US diplomat, who was also in the AfPak team of Richard Holbrooke, the Obama Administration’s Special Representative, had already opened a back channel to the Taliban.


https://sniwire.com/neighbours/pakistan ... ghanistan/
Pakistani Army Chief Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa visited Kabul in June 2018 just after the post-Eid ceasefire with the Taliban. Apart from Foreign Secretary Tehmina Janjua. He was accompanied by DG, ISI Lt Gen Naveed Mukhtar. This visit occurred in the backdrop of evolving U.S. peace feelers and visits to the Taliban’s Qatar office by ‘unofficial’ interlocutors Robin Raphel and Col Chris Kolenda (Retd). U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo also spoke to Bajwa just before his Kabul visit.

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Postby Mort Walker » 30 Jan 2019 15:14

^^^Yes, you are correct. This was NOT expected nor desired in any condition. These are the same scumbags who allowed the situation to deteriorate in the 1990s which caused 9/11.

P.S. We still hate the Clintons. We'll take Tulsi or Kamala any day even Pocahontas.

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Postby Mort Walker » 30 Jan 2019 15:31

From the US Director of National Intelligence from Reuters:

“Parliamentary elections in India increase the possibility of communal violence if Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) stresses Hindu nationalist themes,” Coats told members of the US Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.


And what about the mass shootings everyday in the US where white men are killing women, children, and everyone else? That certainly merits a danger, no?

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Postby Kashi » 30 Jan 2019 15:42

Mort Walker wrote:P.S. We still hate the Clintons. We'll take Tulsi or Kamala any day even Pocahontas.


Yes yes, that's all fine. But what or rather whom do you realistically expect to get?

And how does he/she fit in, as far as Indian interests are concerned.

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Postby chetak » 30 Jan 2019 16:03

Kashi wrote:
Mort Walker wrote:P.S. We still hate the Clintons. We'll take Tulsi or Kamala any day even Pocahontas.


Yes yes, that's all fine. But what or rather whom do you realistically expect to get?

And how does he/she fit in, as far as Indian interests are concerned.


she is a rabid EJ.

She cloaks everything in a huge hollywood style smile but her actions speak very much louder than words.

For India, she is really bad news.

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Gus wrote:our friend the bird is back in the game, courtesy trump ..who esteemed folks here were arguing that he'll be a break from clintonistas

https://indianexpress.com/article/expla ... n-5558513/
But by the middle of 2018, it was clear that the White House was pushing for direct talks with the Taliban urgently. By then, Robin Raphel, the former US diplomat, who was also in the AfPak team of Richard Holbrooke, the Obama Administration’s Special Representative, had already opened a back channel to the Taliban.


https://sniwire.com/neighbours/pakistan ... ghanistan/
Pakistani Army Chief Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa visited Kabul in June 2018 just after the post-Eid ceasefire with the Taliban. Apart from Foreign Secretary Tehmina Janjua. He was accompanied by DG, ISI Lt Gen Naveed Mukhtar. This visit occurred in the backdrop of evolving U.S. peace feelers and visits to the Taliban’s Qatar office by ‘unofficial’ interlocutors Robin Raphel and Col Chris Kolenda (Retd). U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo also spoke to Bajwa just before his Kabul visit.


this is the deep state clawing its way back to center stage again.

The pakis depend on this one single entity more than any other and are in constant communication with it, since before 1947.

the paki army and the ameriki deep state is ideologically compatible and their ambitions for the region are in close alignment.

Then as now, the ameriki deep state is vehemently anti India/Hindu in its fundamental construct, intent and has been covertly operating in India's NE where it has achieved great success by evangelizing the entire region.

Next step is possibly a east timor type of operation to carve out a monotheist country which project may be back burnered presently because of the cheeni intransigence as well as the rise of nuclear India which will simply not tolerate such a balkanization of its territory.

From the loose statements of many EJ nutters in the NE, it is obvious that something inspired by the offshore inspiration is brewing for some time now.
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Postby Kashi » 30 Jan 2019 16:07

chetak wrote:she is a rabid EJ.

She cloaks everything in a huge hollywood style smile but her actions speak very much louder than words.

For India, she is really bad news.


I am sorry, but whom are you referring to?

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Postby chetak » 30 Jan 2019 16:40

Kashi wrote:
chetak wrote:she is a rabid EJ.

She cloaks everything in a huge hollywood style smile but her actions speak very much louder than words.

For India, she is really bad news.


I am sorry, but whom are you referring to?


hillary

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Postby Gus » 30 Jan 2019 17:44

hilary - the POTUS only in fox and br.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Yagnasri » 30 Jan 2019 18:12

She is now a spent force. Not going to be in personally power anymore. But her gang which shares most of her ideas will be around in many forms. I think Kamala is also a very bad news for us. Kamala is already anointed by MSM and Dem establishment. Female Obomber is on her way to WH.

In fact whoever wins in 2020, from now onward we need to watch out for khan and his actions on us. So for we have not arrived at the international stage. Now we are. Efforts to contain, roll back and destroy us will only intensify.


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