Understanding the US - Again

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Y. Kanan » 30 Sep 2019 01:40

UlanBatori wrote:
Who are the Deep State, you ask? I would say for America the Deep State is their own military industrial complex, the intelligence community (Cold Warriors), their own global energy companies, the Jew Lobby, and the Saudi lobby. These entities basically call all the shots, at least in terms of foreign policy. Notice I'm completely ignoring public opinion and political parties here.

I wonder this myself. Exactly how does this work? Red phone in Ovary Office (so named after POTUS Clinton I) rings 3 times in quick succession. Signal as given in the Orientation Manual For New POTUSes, for Deep State.

Shivering voice: "Hello Ddddonnaldd ttrumppp sssppppeeeeking. How may I kiss your ass Sssir?"
Deep Voice. "Attention! This is on Need2Know Basis. In 30 seconds, a Marine is going to walk in carrying a form to sign, authorizing air strikes on Syria. Sign it."

DT does as ordered. I mean how does Deep State convey its orders so they are unmistakeable? Surely not by sending an email asking:
"Free?" Followed by:
"Go to the nearest WalMart and buy cash cards worth $5B. When I call in 2 hours, better read the numbers out to me. You have 119 minutes."

Sorry that would be our friend the Retired Nigerian Emperor whose brother the Field Marshal left him $50B in a bank account, to be transferred to me.
Maybe as part of the Inauguration they get hypnotized.


If it were all that overt, a shadow govt probably couldn't form in the first place. I doubt the ISI calls Imran Khan and gives him a script every week (actually I don't doubt that). Ok, bad example.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Vayutuvan » 30 Sep 2019 01:45

UlanBatori wrote:My question is how one gets paid for being a Deep State Operative (DSO).


MIC contracts, Construction contracts, inside information about interest rate changes, advance information about policy changes, access to their friends in foreign govt. bureaucracy/deep state, board memberships and retainers (as in Hunter Biden and Kerry's son), ... In other words, information which gives one an unfair competitive advantage.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Vayutuvan » 30 Sep 2019 01:52

Rony wrote:Some Trumpians say they no longer are watching Fox because "its further sliding to the left". The new Trumpian channel is One America News network (OANN).


What most people can't digest is Trump inserting Rudy Guiliani into the process. I think that alone can make Trump look bad, very bad. It is much worse than what Bidens have done or even Ms. Clinton and company. IMHO, Obama had done something as bad, if not worse, when he gave truckloads of cash in small bills to Iran. It was worse because he screwed not only the US but our European allies (I mean aam, not the Bruxxells khaas) as well.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby hgupta » 30 Sep 2019 03:50

Vayutuvan wrote:
Rony wrote:Some Trumpians say they no longer are watching Fox because "its further sliding to the left". The new Trumpian channel is One America News network (OANN).


What most people can't digest is Trump inserting Rudy Guiliani into the process. I think that alone can make Trump look bad, very bad. It is much worse than what Bidens have done or even Ms. Clinton and company. IMHO, Obama had done something as bad, if not worse, when he gave truckloads of cash in small bills to Iran. It was worse because he screwed not only the US but our European allies (I mean aam, not the Bruxxells khaas) as well.


How did Obama do something worse when he released the monies that actually belonged to Iran? It was not the US’s money. It belonged to Iran.

Pls stop parroting Netanyahu’s version of events.

You may not believe it but Iran is actually a better country than Saudi Arabia. Iran doesn’t actually send money to a country or bunch of groups that want to kill Indians like the Saudis have done. Iran can serve as an useful counterweight to Pakistan by keeping the issue of Balochistan alive and kicking and keep Pakistan in a state of internal strife as Pakistan sought to do so in Kashmir and other parts of India.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 30 Sep 2019 03:54

Somewhere in there, blunt threats are part of every criminal organization's modus operandi. I can't see a guy like Trump giving in to anything, and BTW, those "airstrikes" against Syria were totally bogus. Orchestrated with Putin, with advance warning, the sites struck were unoccupied, 80% of the missiles were unaccounted for (maybe sent to covert wars like Iran-Contra). So that doesn't mean anything. This is the thing with DT: its 95% nautanki/bark, very little bite. He did, though, take the economic war to the cheen and seems to be succeeding beyond what any predecessor has done.

The oil thing now: my take is that there is 99% probability that the strikes on KSA were false-flag. Oil prices were at their lowest in years, the week b4 that (I know...) So a nice bump was needed, with the right ppl knowing to expect it. Amazingly little reaction, note, considering the significance of 50% of KSA oil supply being stopped for months. How is this very different from closing the Strait of Hormuz? Yet practically nothing happened, gas prices went through a nice blip enough for many $$$B of insider-trading profit, now sliding back again. No concern. No Doomsday Clock at 5 Seconds To Midnight. The hurricane(s) had more effect.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 30 Sep 2019 03:59

^^^ hguptaji: +400
IMO the narrative that "Iran foments terrorism" is 100% BS. Point to a single terror attack - outside Israel - that was ever traced to Iran, pls. No, accusations by American and Israeli entities, and their panthankarayas do not count as anything but fabrications.

Now look at the number of terror attacks on Iranians, and inside Iran.
The Iranians are mostly quiet and decent ppl ruled by a fundoo bunch that is terrified to loosen their hold - pls google "Mossadegh" to understand why. Despite their loud rhetoric, as a nation they have been behaving very decently. I saw some posts mention of nasty experiences in trade deals with Iran, but I have not seen anything in the press on that: I think they have a reputation of honoring deals with say, construction/infrastructure projects with Korean companies. I don't see why they would be difficult towards India/ Indians.
Sure they will make the usual noises about Moo-Moo version of Hyooman Rites, but that's all just noise.

And... no ifs and buts... Iranian performance in the defence and re-liberation of Syria is one of the high points of history IMO. Truly heroic, and they paid the price and stayed the course.

Israel needs to rid themselves of the NutNYahoo gang.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Kashi » 30 Sep 2019 04:46

hgupta wrote:Iran can serve as an useful counterweight to Pakistan by keeping the issue of Balochistan alive and kicking and keep Pakistan in a state of internal strife as Pakistan sought to do so in Kashmir and other parts of India.


You do realise that Balochistan movement aims to liberate not only Baki-occupied Balochistan but also neighbouring regions of Iran (Sistan-Baluchistan province) to create an independent Balochistan. Now why would Iran serve as "an useful counterweight to Pakistan" in this situation?

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby hgupta » 30 Sep 2019 05:39

Kashi,

Because Iran doesn’t want a Saudi Arabia proxy on its eastern border. Frustrating Saudi’s designs on Pakistan will go well with Iran’s strategy and national security interests. Moreover Iran can step into Balochistan on the pretext of securing its eastern border and weaken Pakistan’s stance against India.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Rony » 30 Sep 2019 06:01

Anyone who thinks Iran is India's friend need to revisit their assumptions . Iranian mullah regime is as bad as Saudi mullah regime or Turkey's Islamist leader. The Saudis/UAE/Oman and other Arabs refused to give a statement on Kashmir keeping Indian sensitivities and their interests with India in mind while the Iranian mullah went ahead and lectured us on Kashmir so did the Islamist Turk leader. There is a clear China-Pakistan-Iran-Turkey quad emerging which India needs to watch. India has close ties with Arab Oman and UAE along with Israel all of whom along with the Saudis are as anxious about this emerging quad as India is. Anyway, all this is OT for this thread .

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Vayutuvan » 30 Sep 2019 06:11

hgupta wrote:How did Obama do something worse when he released the monies that actually belonged to Iran? It was not the US’s money. It belonged to Iran.


Who it belonged to is irrelevant. What it was used for, the mountain of cash in small denominations (almost untraceable), is relevant.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Vayutuvan » 30 Sep 2019 06:17

hgupta wrote:Because Iran doesn’t want a Saudi Arabia proxy on its eastern border. Frustrating Saudi’s designs on Pakistan will go well with Iran’s strategy and national security interests. Moreover Iran can step into Balochistan on the pretext of securing its eastern border and weaken Pakistan’s stance against India.


It is not out of the realm of possibility that Iran will buy a few nucs from China via Pakis. China is raring to return the favor to the US/a weakened Trump now that the impeachment circus has started.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Guddu » 30 Sep 2019 06:27

I hope you realize that Trump is not going to be impeached..but what will happen is that Biden will end up dropping from the democrat presidential candidate list due to the corruption allegations against him and his son Hunter and a more left democrat will take up the mantle (Eliz warren), this will ensure a victory for Trump.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 30 Sep 2019 07:46

^^ What is sure to happen is the Great Bredator Pterosaurus Sue Raj al BeeAreffi :eek: will swoop down and ban u if u get into ******** impea********* etc. May ATM protect you.

Ppl should quit agonizing about who squawks about Cash More. The Eyeranians may squawk all they want, but even cheen-based authors are predicting that Balochistan is a goner. If u think that is happening without Indo-Iranian understanding, well... OF COURSE! :mrgreen:

As for the "Balochis want Phreedom Phrom Eyeran", think about it. If you were the Sheikh Bugsy Bugti (pbuh) reincarnated, which would you prefer?
a) Independence from Pakistan with Iranian help, for the parts of B'stan that are now Pakistan-Occupied. Reasonably friendly border with Eyeran on the condition that you quit :(( about Iranian-Occupied Balochistan.

b) Continued torture under Pakistan.

Those are the only options on the table. Option (c) (break away a part of Iran) can occur only if Iran is Saddamized by the usual quarters. I pray that that does not happen. If u start bothering Iran, you will get buggered both by the Iranians and the Pakis, and India won't help.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby hgupta » 30 Sep 2019 08:20

Rony wrote:Anyone who thinks Iran is India's friend need to revisit their assumptions . Iranian mullah regime is as bad as Saudi mullah regime or Turkey's Islamist leader. The Saudis/UAE/Oman and other Arabs refused to give a statement on Kashmir keeping Indian sensitivities and their interests with India in mind while the Iranian mullah went ahead and lectured us on Kashmir so did the Islamist Turk leader. There is a clear China-Pakistan-Iran-Turkey quad emerging which India needs to watch. India has close ties with Arab Oman and UAE along with Israel all of whom along with the Saudis are as anxious about this emerging quad as India is. Anyway, all this is OT for this thread .


Sorry actions speak louder than words. Saudi sends massive doses of aid to Pakistan and its Saudi citizens donate a lot of money to many anti Indian mujahideen outfits in Pakistan including Taliban outfits. Iran? Iran killed bunch of mujahideens. To me, that is good enough to convince me that Iran will be better than Saudis. Iranian mullahs may be crazy ******** but at least they are siding against and killing those who are linked to the Paki terror groups. "The enemy of my enemy is a friend."

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby hgupta » 30 Sep 2019 08:23

Vayutuvan wrote:
hgupta wrote:How did Obama do something worse when he released the monies that actually belonged to Iran? It was not the US’s money. It belonged to Iran.


Who it belonged to is irrelevant. What it was used for, the mountain of cash in small denominations (almost untraceable), is relevant.


Then by implication, you are justifying the loot by western powers against those that they have colonized or traded with. Your position is the very antithesis of the basis of India's grievances against Britain.

That money wasn't US to play with. It belonged to Iran period. It had to be returned. Obama did nothing wrong with that. Only Netyanhu and his ilk and neocons would come up with BS reasons for not returning the money to Iran.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby hgupta » 30 Sep 2019 08:25

Vayutuvan wrote:
hgupta wrote:Because Iran doesn’t want a Saudi Arabia proxy on its eastern border. Frustrating Saudi’s designs on Pakistan will go well with Iran’s strategy and national security interests. Moreover Iran can step into Balochistan on the pretext of securing its eastern border and weaken Pakistan’s stance against India.


It is not out of the realm of possibility that Iran will buy a few nucs from China via Pakis. China is raring to return the favor to the US/a weakened Trump now that the impeachment circus has started.


Pakistan will never sell nukes to Iran. The last thing Pakistan wants is another nuke armed neighbor to its western border. Besides they do not want to lose the goodwill of Saudis by selling nukes to Iran. Iran cannot match the buying power of Saudis.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby chetak » 30 Sep 2019 08:30

hgupta wrote:
Rony wrote:Anyone who thinks Iran is India's friend need to revisit their assumptions . Iranian mullah regime is as bad as Saudi mullah regime or Turkey's Islamist leader. The Saudis/UAE/Oman and other Arabs refused to give a statement on Kashmir keeping Indian sensitivities and their interests with India in mind while the Iranian mullah went ahead and lectured us on Kashmir so did the Islamist Turk leader. There is a clear China-Pakistan-Iran-Turkey quad emerging which India needs to watch. India has close ties with Arab Oman and UAE along with Israel all of whom along with the Saudis are as anxious about this emerging quad as India is. Anyway, all this is OT for this thread .


Sorry actions speak louder than words. Saudi sends massive doses of aid to Pakistan and its Saudi citizens donate a lot of money to many anti Indian mujahideen outfits in Pakistan including Taliban outfits. Iran? Iran killed bunch of mujahideens. To me, that is good enough to convince me that Iran will be better than Saudis. Iranian mullahs may be crazy ******** but at least they are siding against and killing those who are linked to the Paki terror groups. "The enemy of my enemy is a friend."


the two faced saudis also fund terror and separatists in the cashmere valley and other anti national outfits in India.

go figure.

the non Modi regimes have been accommodative of the shias in India to placate the iranian mullahs.

with Modi, that advantage of the iran based beardos has been all but neutralized.

The access to the Indian markets has defanged the sunnis in saudi as well because earlier they used to covertly orchestrate "protests" in India about some silly happenings in the ummah outside India.

the shias have been cozying up to Modi because of "The enemy of my enemy is a friend.", especially in the RJB matter.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby chetak » 30 Sep 2019 09:17

Guddu wrote:I hope you realize that Trump is not going to be impeached..but what will happen is that Biden will end up dropping from the democrat presidential candidate list due to the corruption allegations against him and his son Hunter and a more left democrat will take up the mantle (Eliz warren), this will ensure a victory for Trump.



twitter


Trump won’t be removed from office by impeachment because impeachment has to be ratified by the Senate which — with a 53-47 Republican majority — won’t.
Democrats know this but hope the process of impeachment, even if unsuccessful, will tar Trump enough to make him lose in 2020.


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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Vayutuvan » 30 Sep 2019 09:35

Guddu wrote:I hope you realize that Trump is not going to be impeached..but what will happen is that Biden will end up dropping from the democrat presidential candidate list due to the corruption allegations against him and his son Hunter and a more left democrat will take up the mantle (Eliz warren), this will ensure a victory for Trump.


He might win but his second term will be lame duck, especially so if dems take control of house and senate.

As Chetak garu said, dems are shooting for tarring sona bandar AKA swarna kapi. there are several states he won by a thin margin. anyway it is all OT so nothing more from me here.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Vayutuvan » 30 Sep 2019 09:43

hgupta ji, 'every case is different'. why do we engage in Iran:us::India:perfidious Albion, hain ji? the latest dem word is 'false equivalence'. OT so roger and out.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 30 Sep 2019 18:11

IMO the long string of vote count :(( , Russia :(( , Kavanaugh :(( and now Ukraine :((, all of which came up with no substance, should convince most voters who can think, that a donkey vote is a donkey's vote. Even I find it hard to believe that grown adults rushed to "Impeachment" on something that every POTUS, Senator, Congressperson and petty politician and bureaucrat down to the Sheriff does every day a dozen times. Vinasa Kale vipareeta Buddhi etc, almost as stupid as posting about US politics on this MineField/FlyTrap Dhaga. Deathwish I guess.

So the prediction from UBCN is that on the current course, the donkeystanis are beautifully trashing their own House advantage and near-parity in the Senate, and will turn that into another landslide elephant win of WHOTUS and COTUS, with the SC nicely slanted with the elephants as well. Which of course is not a pleasant thing to contemplate: The last times the elephants swept were with the Mawral Majority, the NeoCons, etc and each managed to trash the economy, the environment, and basically all people who worked in productive jobs, got into wars that still show no sign of ending, managed to get North Korea nuke-armed, and sold the nation to the chinese and the Saudis and Europeans. Oh, not forgetting the 2007 crash.

But the way things are going, the only hope for the Demo Party is the old saying:
No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American Public
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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby abhijitm » 30 Sep 2019 23:16

It looks like to me the biggest blunder of trump is/was not to give a new lucrative war to the deep state since becoming POTUS. And on top of it he has made US a passive entity in ongoing wars in syria, afghanistan and now even yemen. There is still time for him. Eyeran is calling.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby ramana » 30 Sep 2019 23:57

Folks just an unfriendly reminder as friendly reminders are being ignored.
This thread is about "Understanding US" and not about arguing for your favorite cause.

So prefer data driven posts and arguments prefaced with I think.
And folks don't jump on someone you disagree with.
Tell us why you disagree with their core point.

I know some times he core point is well hidden.

So keep posting and don't get banned.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby KLNMurthy » 30 Sep 2019 23:58

Rony wrote:Anyone who thinks Iran is India's friend need to revisit their assumptions . Iranian mullah regime is as bad as Saudi mullah regime or Turkey's Islamist leader. The Saudis/UAE/Oman and other Arabs refused to give a statement on Kashmir keeping Indian sensitivities and their interests with India in mind while the Iranian mullah went ahead and lectured us on Kashmir so did the Islamist Turk leader. There is a clear China-Pakistan-Iran-Turkey quad emerging which India needs to watch. India has close ties with Arab Oman and UAE along with Israel all of whom along with the Saudis are as anxious about this emerging quad as India is. Anyway, all this is OT for this thread .

No one that I can see on this forum said Iran is India's bestie, so it's a straw man.

There is no question that between Saudi Arabia and Iran, the latter is the more civilized entity, easier to understand and deal with, and far less involved in break-India activities.

OTOH Iran represents (along with Turkey) a focus of Muslim Brotherhood aspirations and Saudi Arabia represents a reactionary force against those aspirations. But the decadent royals are too weak to fight and so pay off terrorists to take their terror elsewhere. This is the reason Israel is hugging Saudi Arabia and America lies about who is funding terrorism.

India has to balance the two, but cannot be under any illusions as to the nature of the two factions.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby ramana » 01 Oct 2019 00:02

abhijitm wrote:It looks like to me the biggest blunder of trump is/was not to give a new lucrative war to the deep state since becoming POTUS. And on top of it he has made US a passive entity in ongoing wars in syria, afghanistan and now even yemen. There is still time for him. Eyeran is calling.



Your point is wrong from Trump is a business man and knows wars cost money.
If you look at the state of US economy its quite fragile with respect to interest rates, growth, adding jobs etc.

What DT prefers is to win bloodless wars like free trade deals and trade wars with China.
He did fire a few Tomahawks to show Assad who is the boss but not much after that.
Let Putin clean up ISIS. But claimed credit.
As for him becoming lame duck in 2nd term most Presidents are lame ducks.
Obama became lame duck by Jan 2013.

DT strategy appears to be to win WH and Senate.

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Postby Vayutuvan » 01 Oct 2019 02:03

ramana wrote:DT strategy appears to be to win WH and Senate.


You mean 'win the House' and 'keep Senate with GOP'? IF he is able to pull that off, he, DT, will not be a 'lame duck' at least until 2022.
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https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/india-us-old-squabbles-scuttle-long-expected-trade-deal-trump-modi


What Happened

On Sept. 24, U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer and Indian Commerce Minister Piyush Goyal met on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly, raising expectations that the two sides were poised to reveal a new trade deal following months of talks. But according to information leaked from the meeting, the negotiators failed to agree on Indian concessions on information and communication technology, dairy, pharmaceuticals, agriculture, e-commerce, and data localization — in short, every bone of contention that have stymied an agreement for months. Still, U.S. President Donald Trump told visiting Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi the same day that they would be able to announce a trade deal soon.
Why It Matters

In the absence of a deal, both countries will retain high tariffs against each other. In June, Trump revoked India's tariff benefits under the Generalised System of Preferences after receiving complaints from the U.S. medical devices and dairy sectors about difficulties in accessing the Indian market. That move prompted India to institute tariffs in June against 28 U.S. goods, hurting apple exporters from Washington state and almond exporters from California, among others.

The two sides will continue to plug away on talks as Trump searches for some sort of trade victory to tout on the campaign trail ahead of next year's presidential election.

New Delhi wants to clinch a trade deal to allay its fears of fomenting a bigger trade dispute that could draw an investigation under Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974, bring even higher tariffs on Indian products that, potentially, would involve a wider range of goods. However, India is unlikely to agree to any deal if it involves every trade issue that has split the countries for months. As a result, the two sides will continue to plug away in talks as Trump searches for some sort of trade victory to tout on the campaign trail ahead of next year's presidential election.


Background

Bilateral trade, which totaled $142.1 billion last year, remains the major friction point in the U.S.-India relationship. India exported $83.2 billion worth of goods and services to the United States and imported $58.9 billion, resulting in a $24.3 billion surplus. Trump, pointing to the imbalance, has singled Modi out in the past as the "tariff king," demanding that New Delhi reduce its trade surplus with Washington and lower tariff barriers for American commerce in India. Modi, meanwhile, wishes to prevent the dispute from escalating further, meaning he won't go much beyond implementing tit-for-tat trade retaliation. Together, it means the holding pattern in the U.S.-Indian trade dispute is set to continue.
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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 01 Oct 2019 06:35

tariffs in June against 28 U.S. goods, hurting apple exporters from Washington state and almond exporters from California, among others.


Timely relief for Kashmiris?

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Postby Vikas » 01 Oct 2019 11:37

ramana wrote:
abhijitm wrote:It looks like to me the biggest blunder of trump is/was not to give a new lucrative war to the deep state since becoming POTUS. And on top of it he has made US a passive entity in ongoing wars in syria, afghanistan and now even yemen. There is still time for him. Eyeran is calling.



Your point is wrong from Trump is a business man and knows wars cost money.
If you look at the state of US economy its quite fragile with respect to interest rates, growth, adding jobs etc.

What DT prefers is to win bloodless wars like free trade deals and trade wars with China.
He did fire a few Tomahawks to show Assad who is the boss but not much after that.
Let Putin clean up ISIS. But claimed credit.
As for him becoming lame duck in 2nd term most Presidents are lame ducks.
Obama became lame duck by Jan 2013.

DT strategy appears to be to win WH and Senate.


Ramana Ji, Noob question but
Why would a President will become lame duck in 2nd stint ? I don't understand this American terminology and reason for it. What is a lame duck President anyways ? Wont any President want to go out with a bang rather than tamely especially when there are no electoral implications of his actions failing spectacularly.
Is there enough data to support this thesis.
That he will not act when needed or will not face challenges.
Anyways DT's focus is on economy and cutting china down to size. MIC will bring war but they need right candidate who can roll over quickly unlike Iran or NK.

PS: I hope Tulsi devi is a candidate in 2024 and not in 2020.

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Postby tandav » 01 Oct 2019 18:33

In the Howdy Modi event I thought that Modi's use of the term "Abki bar Trump Sarkar" was a faux pas for reason of non interference in another nations political process. I don't agree with RG in most matters but here I agree with his opposition.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/rahul-gandhi-criticises-pm-for-his-abki-baar-trump-sarkar-remark-at-houston/articleshow/71386756.cms

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Karan M » 01 Oct 2019 18:46

If Rahul Gandhi says something, take the opposite position and you are more likely than not to be correct, same here.

Steny Hoyer basically chose to insult Modi by gratuitously bringing up references to Gandhi and Nehru in his remarks. Is it contingent upon Indians to always take patronizing remarks and interference without *ever* speaking up.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 01 Oct 2019 19:38

anmol wrote:whistleblower

Desi?

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby KLNMurthy » 01 Oct 2019 20:30

Guddu wrote:I hope you realize that Trump is not going to be impeached..but what will happen is that Biden will end up dropping from the democrat presidential candidate list due to the corruption allegations against him and his son Hunter and a more left democrat will take up the mantle (Eliz warren), this will ensure a victory for Trump.

Let us get the US process right in "Understanding the US" thread.

Almost surely Trump is going to be impeached by the House, just as Clinton was. And just as surely, he won't be removed from office following a trial in the Senate.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby KLNMurthy » 01 Oct 2019 20:41

tandav wrote:In the Howdy Modi event I thought that Modi's use of the term "Abki bar Trump Sarkar" was a faux pas for reason of non interference in another nations political process. I don't agree with RG in most matters but here I agree with his opposition.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/rahul-gandhi-criticises-pm-for-his-abki-baar-trump-sarkar-remark-at-houston/articleshow/71386756.cms

Modi doesn't talk loosely. He is a peerless craftsman of political utterances. He is bleddy Tendulkar who composes and executes each stroke with precision to deadly effect. Pappus and amateurs like you and me have no aukaat to criticize his speeches.

You have to listen to every word he says in his speeches with attention, can't get triggered by random phrases in isolation. He phrased it very carefully: just quoted what Trump said in the 2016 campaign. That's it. Not endorsing. No interference in 2020.

I think he is signaling his influence over the Indian-American voter and donor.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Amber G. » 02 Oct 2019 02:01

^^^ NaMo's words (ref to "abki bar .." were extremely well chosen and someone has to be devious to twist it/criticize it as Rahul did. For those who do not know the context, Trump made an ad campaign "Ab ki baar Trump Sarkar" in 2016. It was sort of very amusing and was material for many comedians..(They say that it took about 20 takes for trump to say the whole sentence ..and most people, even who spoke Hindi did not understand it when audio was played repeatedly so they have to use sub-titles)

Here is that ad (From 2016) :

(No American President, AFAIK, ever targeted American Hindus before before him - Modi was joking about that ad ,, which Trump used in 2016.. virtually everyone in audience understood )

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby anmol » 02 Oct 2019 13:02

UlanBatori wrote:
anmol wrote:whistleblower

Desi?

I don't this he is Desi.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 02 Oct 2019 17:05

^^Thank ATM.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 02 Oct 2019 23:01

Nooj Phlash (Bredators pls hold fire): 1 down as predicted: Sanders is out. Very doubtful if he will return.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Rudradev » 02 Oct 2019 23:07

IMPORTANT:

Can anyone find a comprehensive list of ALL the US Lawmakers (also Senators and Governors) who DID attend the Howdy Modi event in Houston?

So far I can confirm:

John Cornyn (R- Senator from TX)
Ted Cruz (R- Senator from TX)
Al Green (D-TX)
Pete Olson (R-TX)
Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX)
Sylvia Garcia (D-TX)
Greg Abbot (R- Governor of TX)
Cindy Hyde-Smith (R- Senator from MS)
Ami Bera (D-CA)
Brian Babin (R-TX)
Raja Krishnamurthy (D-IL)
Steny Hoyer (D-MD)
Eliot Engel (D- Governor of New York)


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