Understanding the US - Again

The Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum is a venue to discuss issues pertaining to India's security environment, her strategic outlook on global affairs and as well as the effect of international relations in the Indian Subcontinent. We request members to kindly stay within the mandate of this forum and keep their exchanges of views, on a civilised level, however vehemently any disagreement may be felt. All feedback regarding forum usage may be sent to the moderators using the Feedback Form or by clicking the Report Post Icon in any objectionable post for proper action. Please note that the views expressed by the Members and Moderators on these discussion boards are that of the individuals only and do not reflect the official policy or view of the Bharat-Rakshak.com Website. Copyright Violation is strictly prohibited and may result in revocation of your posting rights - please read the FAQ for full details. Users must also abide by the Forum Guidelines at all times.
Manish_P
BRFite
Posts: 1957
Joined: 25 Mar 2010 17:34

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Manish_P » 30 Oct 2019 19:03

KLNMurthy wrote:
ramana wrote:I guess here are Military, non-working dogs?

Maybe Military retired dogs?


Yes. Lot's of them.

Unfortunately not many civilians can handle them (and vice versa). Hence in countries like the US, post 'retirement' a number of them are adopted by ex-military folk - most often by the handlers who trained them. And veterans.

In India recently retired military dogs are sent to retirement homes at Meerut and Hempur. Now i was given to understand (not verified though) they have started allowing people (including civilians) to adopt them but only after a thorough screening process. If correct then my hunch is that mostly faujis (serving and retired) would pass the screening anyway.. :)

Check this - Dogs lovers alert! How to adopt ex-Indian Army dog?

komal
BRFite
Posts: 484
Joined: 29 Oct 2007 14:47

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby komal » 30 Oct 2019 19:22

US GDP at a record breaking 1.9%. Take that you donkeystains and urban naxals.

The President promised 3.0% and higher growth and he has delivered again!!!!!

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 12764
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 30 Oct 2019 23:57

^Wow! That's infinite times the raise I got at the Mongolia Yak Dung Research Institute.

Mort Walker
BRF Oldie
Posts: 7876
Joined: 31 May 2004 11:31
Location: The rings around Uranus.

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Mort Walker » 31 Oct 2019 02:26

komal wrote:US GDP at a record breaking 1.9%. Take that you donkeystains and urban naxals.

The President promised 3.0% and higher growth and he has delivered again!!!!!


Yeah it’s too bad he couldn’t get it as low as zero like Ombaba.
Image

komal
BRFite
Posts: 484
Joined: 29 Oct 2007 14:47

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby komal » 31 Oct 2019 03:39

U said it all. He promised 3.0% plus GDP and the Donald has delivered. He promised a balanced budget and the Donald had delivered. He said Mexico would pay for the Wall and the Donald had delivered.

Just today the FED lowered rates and announced that they would be buyin even more Treasury debt. Further proof of the strength of the US economy.

All the Donkeystains Urban Naxals have left are to point out the 113% rise in equity markets under the rule of thr Kenyan Muslim Terrorist.

And let us not forget Newt Gingrich lights lamps.

Mort Walker
BRF Oldie
Posts: 7876
Joined: 31 May 2004 11:31
Location: The rings around Uranus.

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Mort Walker » 31 Oct 2019 04:44

komal wrote:U said it all. He promised 3.0% plus GDP and the Donald has delivered. He promised a balanced budget and the Donald had delivered. He said Mexico would pay for the Wall and the Donald had delivered.

Just today the FED lowered rates and announced that they would be buyin even more Treasury debt. Further proof of the strength of the US economy.

All the Donkeystains Urban Naxals have left are to point out the 113% rise in equity markets under the rule of thr Kenyan Muslim Terrorist.

And let us not forget Newt Gingrich lights lamps.


Yaar, Trump promised 4% GDP and is asking the Fed for negative interest rates. Where is it, hain jee? Maybe have to wait until Donkeystanis are done with impeachment, but we should know by Jan. 2025.

Only 113% is some fantastic in 8 years? That’s fantastic madarasa math! Which tells me by Jan. 2025 it will be 114%.

A_Gupta
BRF Oldie
Posts: 11486
Joined: 23 Oct 2001 11:31
Contact:

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby A_Gupta » 31 Oct 2019 06:38

‪Trump’s Baffling Plan to Pillage Syria’s Oil https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-colu ... syrias-oil

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 12764
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 31 Oct 2019 07:15

Is this the first time a POTUS has confirmed what my PhD advisor (a true Californian with ultra-top secret security clearance) used to say:
Every war the US gets into is to grab the oil

A_Gupta
BRF Oldie
Posts: 11486
Joined: 23 Oct 2001 11:31
Contact:

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby A_Gupta » 31 Oct 2019 08:09

^^^ allegedly he was getting the US out of a war.

A_Gupta
BRF Oldie
Posts: 11486
Joined: 23 Oct 2001 11:31
Contact:

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby A_Gupta » 31 Oct 2019 09:16

The termination of Baghdadi doesn’t have the punch of the termination of OBL.

Vayutuvan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 10210
Joined: 20 Jun 2011 04:36

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Vayutuvan » 31 Oct 2019 09:56

A_Gupta wrote:The termination of Baghdadi doesn’t have the punch of the termination of OBL.


twelve years to finish Osama vs. six years to finish al bag daddy! yes of course, punch is half.

chetak
BRF Oldie
Posts: 20231
Joined: 16 May 2008 12:00

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby chetak » 31 Oct 2019 10:52

A_Gupta wrote:‪Trump’s Baffling Plan to Pillage Syria’s Oil https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-colu ... syrias-oil



It is not just trump's plan, it is the long standing ameriki plan and has been in operation for almost eight odd decades now.

This is probably one of the reasons why the US also pressed the britshits to get out of India and "give" us the freedom allegedly obtained by the stretcher bearers of the britshit empire in India through "non violence" means.

This is also why, after "independence", the existing colonial systems and administrative structures in India were very purposefully left intact, carefully and artfully nurtured and are, even today, consistently thriving and even today maintaining their pre eminient status with profit sharing and rent seeking baboo(n)s and NGOs to guide and helm these BIF constructs. They also erased our history, and slyly rewrote it to suit their new narrative while maliciously sowing the seeds of separatism and secession in strategic parts of India.

This is why the jallikattu protests, the koodankulam agitations and the sterlite industrial destruction has passed off without much media focus, in fact, the sold out media has consistently supported the anti India BIF narrative in all the above cases.

In support of these "acts of war" because that is exactly what they are, clear and unmistakable linkages to foreign powers and other BIF foreign state backed FFNGOs have emerged forcing even someone like maun mohan singh into stridently voicing his concerns at the sabotage.

Regarding the pillaging of syrian oil, this is how the ameriki deep state pulls the strings controlling the puppets on a global stage and no different to what the US has consistently done in the gulf region over the years.

This plan has survived and successfully transcended many US presidents of various political hues and political ideologies.

Isn't this also why the cheeni are so diligently pushing their BRI and OBOR ponzi schemes. They are simultaneously leveraging oil, commodities, value added products, security and physical presence in remote locations to host, repair, resupply their naval and air assets as well as develop their surveillance networks for real time intelligence gathering via globally networked satellite communication channels.

The Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is a combination of two initiatives: a 21st Century Maritime Silk Road and a Silk Road Economic Belt

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 12764
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 31 Oct 2019 18:38

I now believe that there was a clear reason for DT to spend that much time emphasizing the pillaging of oil: To truly get the US out of Syria **AND IRAQ**.

I think it will now end, since SeeEnnEnn and ABC and soon the EU's hordes will yell (in fact why haven't they already? Isn't that Deep State media control? Did you see a peep out of the Indian media either after such a BLATANT declaration of loot?) Only hope to beat the Deep State, for which I don't believe DT has much love.

Now DT can pull the troops out **AND** blame the donkeys and Liberals and UN for it. :mrgreen:

Don't believe that WHOTUS is as 404 as they like to project. The entire Syria SNAFU has been pretty skillfully executed by the WHOTUS in the face of the SDOTUS, COTUS and other Deep State entities no doubt including many bought jarnails and analysts in the Pentagon.
The bogus "missile strikes" were a dead giveaway. Think about the level of control needed to pull off that stunt, with the on-site navy and air force personnel and chain of command! Those ppl have some doozy stories to tell, but cannot for fear of the Ppl In Dark Glasses.

This whole Bag-daddy thing has far more buried than the bones of his (or kidnapped?) kids.

vijayk
BRF Oldie
Posts: 4026
Joined: 22 Jun 1999 11:31

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby vijayk » 31 Oct 2019 19:23

whatever Hillary and DumbF*ck DEM media did, Tulsi is now improving

Tulsi USA 4% in national polls according USA Today poll
She is 5% in NH polls

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 096461002/

Looks like TRex has some support
Trump vs. any Dem: Who will win?
In a match-up between President Trump and an unnamed Democratic nominee, Trump narrowly led, 41%-39%, with 10% supporting an unnamed third-party candidate. Another 10% were undecided. That was a shift, albeit one within the margin of error, from the August survey, when the unnamed Democrat held a narrow lead over Trump, 41%-39%.

In the new poll, Republicans expressed overwhelming confidence about the outcome of the election, with 86% predicting the president would win. Seventy-five percent of Democrats said their nominee would win. But independents by a double-digit margin expected Trump to prevail.

Despite the cloud of impeachment, overall those surveyed predicted by 50%-40% that the president in the end would claim a second term.
"Trump has done a lot of the things he has set out to do," said John Siefkas, 52, a farmer and political independent from Osceola, Iowa, who was called in the poll. "He needs to keep his hands off Twitter, (but) he is doing some stuff that is needing done that people haven't had the guts to do."

William Collins, 56, an independent who is a retired police investigator from Fort Valley, Virginia, also plans to vote for the president. "I believe Trump has directed America in the right direction, and I think he really has the American people in his own heart."
Trump's job-approval rating was 46% approve-52% disapprove, with 27% saying they "strongly" approved and 37% saying they "strongly" disapproved.


The Democratic field now has a top tier of four candidates – Biden, Warren, Sanders and now Buttigieg, whose standing rose 4 points from the August poll. They were followed by Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard at 4% – up from less than 1% last time – and entrepreneur Andrew Yang at 3%.

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 12764
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 31 Oct 2019 22:45

So TG is at 5. I see why Butt-e-gig is getting some bets placed on him: 2 of 3 ahead are non-starters. Biden will have the floor swept with him in a national election; Sanders is just wacko and won't get nominated, or will have to retire due to health. If the nomination scramble is tough, the post-nomination is absolutely brutal as the elephants' Dirty Tricks Dept kicks into its stride. So Warren is the front-runner and has the nomination to lose.
Butt-e-gig and Biden can only come in as "sane middle-of-the-road" (i.e., brainless bland wimps) choices post a DT resignation. And Biden is cast as a loser, hence B-e-G's chance. All of which says: TG has a real chance, esp. if there is a DT exit. I think she can wipe the floor with Pence, no contest.
Let's see if the rest of the 19 Little Donkeys drop out soon.

Vayutuvan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 10210
Joined: 20 Jun 2011 04:36

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Vayutuvan » 01 Nov 2019 02:13

The problem is TG doesn't have a big war chest. If she gets the nomination, then all of DNC funds will be in her kitty.

Mort Walker
BRF Oldie
Posts: 7876
Joined: 31 May 2004 11:31
Location: The rings around Uranus.

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Mort Walker » 01 Nov 2019 04:46

Vayutuvan wrote:The problem is TG doesn't have a big war chest. If she gets the nomination, then all of DNC funds will be in her kitty.


There is no way she can get the nomination. The Urban Naxal Party of America is hardly democratic. Some 17% of delegates are superdelegates assigned by the Donkeystani leadership to give that 17% to whom they think the frontrunner should be. In 2016, the Donkeystani leadership had control of 33% of party votes and made sure it went to the termite queen warmonger.

Rony
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2563
Joined: 14 Jul 2006 23:29

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Rony » 01 Nov 2019 05:14


Mort Walker
BRF Oldie
Posts: 7876
Joined: 31 May 2004 11:31
Location: The rings around Uranus.

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Mort Walker » 01 Nov 2019 05:19

Rony wrote:


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

A_Gupta
BRF Oldie
Posts: 11486
Joined: 23 Oct 2001 11:31
Contact:

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby A_Gupta » 01 Nov 2019 06:44

So how do we reconcile these two facts: The promises of the Republican tax plan have failed as spectacularly as Trump’s grand vision of a New American Mercantilism, and the U.S. economy as a whole is actually doing fine for now?



Some debates about Trump seem split between those who consider him infallible and those who consider him dangerously all-powerful. When it comes to the economy, he is rather obviously neither—both too stuck in the past to help the economy and too weak to destroy it.


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ed/601153/

A_Gupta
BRF Oldie
Posts: 11486
Joined: 23 Oct 2001 11:31
Contact:

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby A_Gupta » 01 Nov 2019 06:48

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ie/601105/

This is the point. These are not victims crazed by “polarization” or “partisanship” or “gridlock” but cool-headed political actors who see the chance to win long-sought goals—dictatorial power in the White House, partisan control of the federal bench, an end to legal abortion and the re-subordination of women, destruction of the government’s regulatory apparatus, an end to voting rights that might threaten minority-party control, a return to pre-civil-rights racial norms. The historical moment finds them on a mountaintop; all the kingdoms they have sought are laid out before them, and a voice says, “All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.”

One by one, they have bent the knee.

KLNMurthy
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3856
Joined: 17 Aug 2005 13:06

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby KLNMurthy » 01 Nov 2019 06:49

Manish_P wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote:Maybe Military retired dogs?


Yes. Lot's of them.

Unfortunately not many civilians can handle them (and vice versa). Hence in countries like the US, post 'retirement' a number of them are adopted by ex-military folk - most often by the handlers who trained them. And veterans.

In India recently retired military dogs are sent to retirement homes at Meerut and Hempur. Now i was given to understand (not verified though) they have started allowing people (including civilians) to adopt them but only after a thorough screening process. If correct then my hunch is that mostly faujis (serving and retired) would pass the screening anyway.. :)

Check this - Dogs lovers alert! How to adopt ex-Indian Army dog?


Yeah I heard they have a hard time adjusting to not going on missions, tackling enemies etc. and simply relaxing and playing.

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 12764
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 01 Nov 2019 06:50


UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 12764
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 01 Nov 2019 06:55

Mort Walker wrote:There is no way she can get the nomination. The Urban Naxal Party of America is hardly democratic. Some 17% of delegates are superdelegates assigned by the Donkeystani leadership to give that 17% to whom they think the frontrunner should be. In 2016, the Donkeystani leadership had control of 33% of party votes and made sure it went to the termite queen warmonger.

JFK was an Irish Catholic, as rich as his family was. In those days that was as haraam as being shia in Pakjab. Must have been tough to win the nomination, hain? Same with RFK but there the Deep State made good and sure that mistake was not repeated...

I fear for TG.

KLNMurthy
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3856
Joined: 17 Aug 2005 13:06

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby KLNMurthy » 01 Nov 2019 07:01

Vayutuvan wrote:The problem is TG doesn't have a big war chest. If she gets the nomination, then all of DNC funds will be in her kitty.

Send her money, jingos.

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 12764
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 01 Nov 2019 07:56

Seriously: WHY exactly does one need $$ for a POTUS campaign? Perhaps some of the need can be alleviated by sustained volunteer effort by ppl expert at social media and other web-based campaigns and writings? And for fund-raising campaigns?

Just thinking out loud.... of course we Mongolians do not interfere in the Infernal Attairs of the US of A. :eek:

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 12764
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 01 Nov 2019 08:40


Rony
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2563
Joined: 14 Jul 2006 23:29

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Rony » 01 Nov 2019 08:40

Tulsi Versus Clinton World: The Fight Democrats Need to Have

Five years back, the New York Times pointed its telescope at what it called Clinton World, the seemingly endless ecosystem of staffers, clients, strategists, old friends, wonks, flatterers, henchmen, consiglieres, and hired dog walkers who have latched on to the Clintons over the years. The takeaway for the Times was that such a vast coterie is difficult to control, a big rig that can only turn so quickly—but one quote in particular stands out. Said a Clinton friend of Clinton World: “Some people get eaten up by the charisma and forget that, in the end, it is a business.”

And that’s just it right there. Has anyone ever fine-tuned the business-ification of politics as have the Clintons? Their conquering of the Democratic Party over the past 25 years has often felt like a corporate takeover, the absorption of a nationwide political apparatus into a family syndicate that exists to build and burnish the brand of a single couple.

It was this curious arrangement that Tulsi Gabbard ran smack into earlier this week. Gabbard, a congresswoman from Hawaii and Democratic presidential candidate, was attacked seemingly out of nowhere by Hillary, who implied that the Russians might somehow be controlling her. “I’m not making any predictions,” Clinton intoned on a podcast, “but I think they’ve got their eye on somebody who is currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate.”

It was a base (and baseless) smear, and it drew a furious response. Gabbard tweeted that Clinton was “queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long.” She also dared Clinton to jump into the race, declaring that the primary was now effectively between the two of them.

She’s wrong about that, of course, at least in the literal sense. Gabbard, who rarely clears 2 percent in the polls, has little chance of winning the Democratic nomination. But in a more macro sense, she’s correct. Of all the dividing lines vivisecting the Democratic Party right now, there’s an important and understated one that runs between Clinton World and everything that Gabbard has come to represent. At issue is whether or not one family ought to be able to run the Democratic National Committee like its own LLC, installing loyalists as its leaders, freezing its foreign policy in the past, embarrassing it with self-serving fabrications.

The reason Clinton slimed Tulsi as a Russian patsy is because Clinton herself is obsessed with Russia. Over and over again, she’s blamed her own loss on their supposed meddling in the 2016 election, even going so far as to call Donald Trump’s presidency “illegitimate.” This is partly understandable—no one wants to accept fault for difficult failures, least of all when the entire country is watching—and partly egotistical. But the belief that maybe Hillary really won, which extends well beyond the candidate herself and throughout Clinton World, is also good business. However scant the evidence might be that the Russians heave-hoed votes in Wisconsin, the Clintonian goal is always to guard their own—“protect the shield,” in the nonsensical words of the NFL. Better, then, to hang around Democrats’ neck a nutty conspiracy theory then to admit, even all these years later, that the Clinton product might not be what it once was.


Preserve the brand even at the expense of the party: that’s what the Clintons have always done. It’s why Bill dragged the Democrats into the realm of adolescent word parsing (“the definition of sex”) rather than admit to his affair with Monica Lewinsky from the start. It’s why he was willing to triangulate during his presidency, chucking half the party platform off the wagon in order to ensure he could net legislative victories. It’s why Hillary obtusely insisted on running in 2008 and 2016, even though anyone paying attention knew these would be populist years with her cast in role of Dickens’ Monseigneur. The common denominator in Clinton World is always personal short-term gain; all else, including political reality, is subordinated to that. And even when they lose, they still linger, their business more like a monopoly, having accumulated so much personnel power as to immunize it from market forces.

Still, all the bumps and losses have at least somewhat diminished the Clintons. There is little enthusiasm for another Hillary rev of the engine, no matter how badly she seems to want one. As for Bill, when people say they’re nostalgic for the 1990s, they generally mean boy bands and Legends of the Hidden Temple, not blue dresses. Now enter Tulsi Gabbard. She is both a walking repudiation of Clinton World and a product of its failures. A former vice chair at the DNC, she resigned after it became clear the organization intended to slight Bernie Sanders’ presidential candidacy in favor of Hillary’s. A political neophyte, she’s running a barebones campaign, in contrast to Clinton World’s legions. She remains unsullied by the corrupt Democratic influencers of yore, from Goldman Sachs to Jeffrey Epstein, all of whom the Clintons have rubbed elbows with. And most importantly, she served as a National Guard medic in Iraq and came away jaded by the very wars Hillary keeps endorsing.

Gabbard, then, isn’t Clinton World’s most formidable opponent, but right now she looks like its clearest antithesis. Her knight’s move has been to take the Clintons off the grounds of personal accomplishment and put them on the harsher terrain of policy accomplishment. Hillary loves to tout her (substantial) record of public service as a woman, but Gabbard, a war veteran, can claim that too. Hillary is less eager, meanwhile, to discuss her and her husband’s writ large policy records, given the current revolt against the liberal internationalism and Third Way centrism they’ve long regarded as de rigueur. Gabbard not only brings this up, her entire candidacy is a homing missile aimed at the establishment’s failed foreign policy, one of its most gaping vulnerabilities. While Clinton World thrashes on the floor screeching at the Russian nanobots in their nose hairs, Gabbard offers up informed critiques of actual events.

The contrast is unavoidable, and it’s made Clinton World look one slice short of a (faux New York-style) pizza. (It’s always wrong to say that conspiracy theories are the sole province of “the fringes”; they can afflict the center, too, and they’re all the more embarrassing when they do.) Sure enough, fade to Iowa, where voters are expressing renewed interest in Gabbard. One told the Associated Press that Hillary’s smear was “divisive and despicable” and said he likes Tulsi’s “anti-regime-change message,” while another accused Clinton of “sowing division in the primary.” As it turns out, protecting the brand of a couple that hasn’t won a nationwide election in 23 years is not a priority in flyover country.

It may be that this is the year the Democrats are finally ready to cast out the Clintons for good, along with all their attendant wars and machinations and courtiers. If so, the strongest tonic they could swallow would be the campaign of Tulsi Gabbard. You don’t have to support her candidacy (I don’t) to appreciate what she’s trying to do here.

Mort Walker
BRF Oldie
Posts: 7876
Joined: 31 May 2004 11:31
Location: The rings around Uranus.

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Mort Walker » 01 Nov 2019 08:49

UlanBatori wrote:
Mort Walker wrote:There is no way she can get the nomination. The Urban Naxal Party of America is hardly democratic. Some 17% of delegates are superdelegates assigned by the Donkeystani leadership to give that 17% to whom they think the frontrunner should be. In 2016, the Donkeystani leadership had control of 33% of party votes and made sure it went to the termite queen warmonger.

JFK was an Irish Catholic, as rich as his family was. In those days that was as haraam as being shia in Pakjab. Must have been tough to win the nomination, hain? Same with RFK but there the Deep State made good and sure that mistake was not repeated...

I fear for TG.


In 1960 the Kennedy family was one of the top 10 richest families in the US. Estimated worth was nearly half-billion at that time!
TG is not that, so the establishment can easily push her to the side without resorting to anything more. As told to me by fellow Donkeystani dosts, "TG will be out of House and home when the Urban Naxal Party is done with her." They will ruin her politically and financially. The Urban Naxal Party is planning the same for the Orange Orangutan too. Overzealous AGs on the east and west coasts have their sights trained on him. Which is why he's fighting impeachment. Statute of Limitations runs out in 7 years, after which DT will be free to do what he wants.

disha
BR Mainsite Crew
Posts: 7186
Joined: 03 Dec 2006 04:17
Location: gaganaviharin

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby disha » 01 Nov 2019 09:03

I have been supporting Tulsi Gabbard since the onset and today she crossed Kamala Harris in national polls.

KH campaign has sunk. Biden's campaign is sinking. Bernie's has stalled. Only real contenders at this stage are Warren, Pete, Yang and Tulsi.

Castro, Beto, Steyer and Amy are not in the news! They want to be. But it is Tulsi who is making waves since last 2-3 days. And that leaves Booker who is hoping to do something in Nevada.

Cain Marko
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3789
Joined: 26 Jun 2005 10:26

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Cain Marko » 01 Nov 2019 09:23

I'd love to see her on Joe Rogan again.... Her stars are well aligned indeed

Rudradev
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3501
Joined: 06 Apr 2003 12:31

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Rudradev » 01 Nov 2019 11:29

Please don't just wish Tulsi well. Support her.

https://secure.actblue.com/donate/tulsi ... 18784d6d68

A_Gupta
BRF Oldie
Posts: 11486
Joined: 23 Oct 2001 11:31
Contact:

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby A_Gupta » 01 Nov 2019 11:52

If you are a foreign person as per US law, don’t contribute else you would simply give them another stick to beat her with.

A_Gupta
BRF Oldie
Posts: 11486
Joined: 23 Oct 2001 11:31
Contact:

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby A_Gupta » 01 Nov 2019 11:52

If you are a foreign person as per US law, don’t contribute else you would simply give them another stick to beat her with.

A_Gupta
BRF Oldie
Posts: 11486
Joined: 23 Oct 2001 11:31
Contact:

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby A_Gupta » 01 Nov 2019 12:47

Cross-over from the India-US Relations thread, on which thread what Trump is is less important than how whatever he says/does affects India.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7355&p=2391249#p2391249

What some see as "non-crudeness" others call "weasel-words". Trump definitely ain't no weasel-worder. He calls it like he sees it that microsecond. Or so it seems until you see what is behind the mask of Trumpiness.

I tell you there is a very sophisticated operator beneath the mask, and those who do not understand that are bound to find out the hard way.


This could be the Maxwell daemon theory of Trumpiness. i.e., anything good that comes from his random scatter is attributed to his sagacity and anything bad is because of stupid Democratic opposition, deep state machinations, etc., etc.

In my opinion, the "sophisticated operator" theory is bought into by a significant invariant 40% of the US population, and thus becomes sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Because that 40% support that persists no matter what ( "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters" ) results in few if any Republican politicians to be able to remain standing if they are critical of Trump. So Trump escapes all accountability -- any criticism is attributed to naked partisanship. The inability to grasp what Trump has done that is impeachable is part of this syndrome, in my opinion. Perhaps a simple remedy is to imagine it was Hillary Clinton doing what Trump has done.

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 12764
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 01 Nov 2019 17:51

So the 40% are people suffer from random Maxwell demons in their brain (actually 47 per today's ABC poll), while the 49% who supported genocide in Syria, EJ conversions across the rest of the world, and filling the coffers of the C*** Foundation with Saudi and Chinese money are wonderfully sane and well-informed. Hmmm!

This is gathering support worldwide, BTW. 2-b Nobel Laureate Greta Thurberg is coming to LOS ANGELES to protest against oil drilling. Apparently North Sea drilling, Canadian fracking are all perfectly OK, but not sunny (and smoky-fiery right now) Los Angeles. Could form a team with Angana and Arundhoti.
So the President WAS Random-Maxwellian-demonically prescient in telling her off. This is a nasty political ladder-climber. Blatant interference in internal affairs of a sovereign state. I wonder why they didn't deny her a visa.
Probably heading for Youngest Nobel Laureate Ever.

KLNMurthy
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3856
Joined: 17 Aug 2005 13:06

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby KLNMurthy » 01 Nov 2019 20:11

disha wrote:I have been supporting Tulsi Gabbard since the onset and today she crossed Kamala Harris in national polls.

KH campaign has sunk. Biden's campaign is sinking. Bernie's has stalled. Only real contenders at this stage are Warren, Pete, Yang and Tulsi.

Castro, Beto, Steyer and Amy are not in the news! They want to be. But it is Tulsi who is making waves since last 2-3 days. And that leaves Booker who is hoping to do something in Nevada.

Hillary did TG a big favor. Media were treating TG as invisible or, if they noticed her ag all, as a kook who loves Assad, and Hindu Nazi Modi, someone who hated gays, and is a cult member.

Now more people are getting a chance to see her for themselves and judge.

KLNMurthy
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3856
Joined: 17 Aug 2005 13:06

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby KLNMurthy » 01 Nov 2019 20:12

A_Gupta wrote:If you are a foreign person as per US law, don’t contribute else you would simply give them another stick to beat her with.

Legal Permanent residents can contribute.

I wouldn't worry about those sticks. Sticks will be constructed and used no matter what, if she even looks like being a serious candidate. That is guaranteed, no matter what she does, or how much we try to anticipate and be careful.

It is like the wolf and the lamb fable. Only choice for lamb is to somehow survive long enough to grow horns to fight off the wolf.

American Nazis may also decide to contribute, Democratic Party-paid Russian false-flag outfits (as in the Doug Jones senate election in Alabama) can also contribute. Firstly it is their right to contribute, secondly there is nothing much she can do about individual, small-dollar contributions that she didn't specifically solicit. IIRC she is already rejecting big-dollar institutional contributions.

She has already faced ugly questions of "US Nazis like you, how come, huh?" The questions about Yeevil Yindoos liking her are just starting, and will get shriller. She will have to face and deal effectively with all those. Simply put: if she doesn't dispatch those questions, she isn't the leadership material we thought she was. The bar is high for a Dharmic candidate who speaks the truth. And if yeevil yindoos don't stand up and challenge the narrative, then they will continue to be the patsies they have historically been. Vamsee Juluri has been waging a solo valiant battle on that front.

Looking at the way Modi crushed the challenges to his character in the recent elections, and looking at the way TG has confronted difficult media interview questions, and looking at general experience: there is an inner steely fearless clarity that comes from daily practice of Dharma. We should trust to that, and to these exemplars of Dharmic leadership. Win or lose, that's in the hands of Fate.
Last edited by KLNMurthy on 01 Nov 2019 20:40, edited 1 time in total.

UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 12764
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 01 Nov 2019 20:17

They will still paint her as foreign-funded, no matter what. So anything that is legal, should be done. Best POTUS candidate since Abe Lincoln. (JFK was a rich brat, though very brave and good). OTOH... Abe got US into Civil War, JFK into Cuban Missile SNAFU and Vietnam. :shock: But their hearts were in the right place.. ABE also "reconstructed" the South with fine parking lots in all urban areas and lots of open farm& construction jobs, while JFK conducted a boondoggle to beat all boondoggles (Moon program). They still sing about those.

OTOH, PRs don't vote. It will be like OCIs/PIOs giving money to CPI(M). Would you be happy about that? (unless they were Ford Foundation..)
IIRC, either DT or BO had a desi BigData analyst (in Arizona?) cook up very effective strategy.
Perhaps volunteers can help her campaign unofficially?(not secret, just no titles).

With all the skills* that won the global propagandoo wars since 1998, yindoos will be committing a Karmic atrocity if they sit on their thumbs at this time.

*Mullah Abishek**: "Vote early. Vote Often". The slogan that swept the Chinese off the CNN India-China poll. Our cheating was just waaaaaay better than theirs.

KLNMurthy
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3856
Joined: 17 Aug 2005 13:06

Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby KLNMurthy » 01 Nov 2019 21:03

@UlanBatori True PRs don't vote but they pay taxes and they have a legal right to contribute to a political campaign.

OCIs participate hugely in India's political process, and I don't see evidence that it has been a factor.

PR contributions to TG will anyway be minuscule, and if she can't hit questions about yeevil yindoos out of the park, she is not ready for the challenge. I think she will crush the "But Fascist Modi" whine from Clintonista media: She already signaled her response a couple of times: "I do what's best for America when meeting with the leader of a hugely important country like India. BTW Obama hugged Modi." That should mostly work, as the Clintonistas in media are afraid of looking like they are anti-Obama.

On the Right, she is not getting any EJ support, but secular never-Trumpers who couldn't stomach Hillary or voted for her reluctantly in '16 or voted for Stein(yes there is a sizable number of them, based on my worthless sampling) will give her a second look--they hate Clinton more than they hate Hindus.

Ultimately in the GE it boils down to just how crazy Democratic voters are at the core. Do they want risky socialism, do they want Hillary bhakti, or do they want sensible, compassionate and genuinely patriotic leadership? People will choose onlee.


Return to “Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Chandra, Pathik, saip, sum and 31 guests