Understanding the US - Again

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Postby UlanBatori » 01 Nov 2019 21:39

The real issue (if there is one other than imbeachment bowbowwow), is likely to be Healthcare, which is even more broken than immigration. Warren is scoring points here and painting a target on her musharraf with this new proposal.

The new proposal includes a tax of six cents on every dollar over $1 billion a person has in wealth, which is double what she previously proposed as part of her wealth tax and would generate another $1 trillion of revenue over ten years, according to the plan. Warren also proposed implementing a yearly capital gains tax, rather than a tax that would have to be paid only once at the time an heir offloads assets, which the campaign estimates would generate another $2 trillion over ten years.

Wow! That really hurts trillionaires like me. This is heading towards the "95% income tax on all income over 40,000 rupees" that were key to inspiring Dawood Ibrahim and Haji Mastan to become quintillionaires.
:(( Maybe I better close my Yoo Ess subsidiaries and vacation homes and move permanently to Mongolia.

Now all donkeys better come up with their version - or in TG's case, maybe straight support Warren's, except rule out military funding cuts (or her support base will evaporate!). In this respect, Bernie Sanders should get the Congressional Medal of Honor for bring this up. Biden will have to match it. And then elephants get under real pressure to match as well.

The downside is her fatwa to bijnej, to make the employer contribution straight to guvrmand. True, baboon are not paid as much as insurance co. execs but are they going to be even as efficient as the execs are? I can't see Yoo Ess guvrmand outsourcing the massive paperwork to "Hello My Name is Mary" in Guttapudi, TN.

My vote if I had one would be for whoever brings out a new version of Raygun Reagan's Paperwork Reduction Act, applied to medical care and insurance. Then maybe MAD can adopt that in India, which really needs it.

Biden’s plan, for example, relies heavily on building off of the Affordable Care Act, which was implemented under his and former President Barack Obama’s administration. His plan would cost $750 billion over 10 years and would be covered by reversing President Donald Trump’s tax cuts for the wealthy, increasing taxes on the wealthy, and getting rid of the capital gains tax loophole for wealthy families with incomes greater than $1 million a year. {The "selfie" equivalent done with a pistol instead of a camera. Or Russian Roulette with 5 bullets loaded instead of 1}

Buttigieg has said a single-payer health care system is “the right place for us to head as a country” but stops short of the vast restructuring called for by Sanders and Warren. Buttigieg emphasizes individual preference, allowing for both employer-sponsored and individual private insurance, and an optional government plan in which uninsured people would be automatically enrolled.
{THAT may work, except the govt plan will still tax the private ones}

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 02 Nov 2019 03:03

Latest from Pelosiji:

Only donkeys can understand why donkeys are doing what donkeys are doing :eek:
I don't think even Albert E. said that his stuff was too sophisticated for aam aadmi to comprehend, so just give Nobel Pryj, don't worry ur pretty head with details, leave the thinking to us.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby vijayk » 02 Nov 2019 03:25

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DUMBO DONKEYS HATE THIS ... They immediately want 20 Trillions to give it to guberment

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Postby vijayk » 02 Nov 2019 03:31

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/01/politics ... index.html

Nancy Pelosi just identified the biggest risk for Democrats on impeachment

In a Friday interview with Bloomberg, Speaker Nancy Pelosi perfectly diagnosed the biggest danger for Democrats posed by the ongoing impeachment inquiry.

"There is -- I should say -- a mountain of concerns to be brought up," Pelosi said. But she went on to add that there is a danger of overwhelming the public with charges and details.
"When does the law of diminished returns set in?" Pelosi, of California, asked rhetorically.


The longer the inquiry goes on and the more strands, people and charges are brought into the conversation, the harder it is for people to follow and understand. And the less people understand about the process -- and why Democrats believe it to be necessary -- the better for President Donald Trump.


What these hearings can't be, Pelosi knows, is a grab-bag of grievance -- Russia! Ukraine! Nepotism! Giuliani! -- from her caucus. Which, as Pelosi knows, loathes Trump and wants him removed from office like yesterday.
The further Democrats get from this basic fact set -- Trump called the Ukrainian President, reminded him that the US does a lot for Ukraine and then asked for him to investigate the Bidens -- the more they risk losing public support for their impeachment efforts.
Pelosi knows it. But can she keep her caucus in line?

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Postby vijayk » 02 Nov 2019 03:50

https://www.theblaze.com/news/tulsi-gab ... ala-harris
3 months ago, Kamala Harris mocked Tulsi Gabbard for not being a 'top-tier' candidate. A new poll now shows Gabbard leading Harris.

What do they say? something like "Karma is a Kamala?"
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/artic ... 41632.html
Paranoia Fuels Talk of a Third Party Run by Gabbard
Tulsi Gabbard has stated repeatedly and unequivocally that she will not run as a third party candidate in the 2020 election. Of course, politicians can change their minds -- or even deceive the public with false pronouncements. But in the rash of media-led paranoia about Gabbard’s alleged “spoiler” ambitions -- which intensified dramatically after Hillary Clinton accused her of being a “Russian asset” last month -- it’s notable just how eager certain journalists and commentators are to ignore these disavowals.

That’s because, for them, invoking a fictitious third party run serves a useful rhetorical function. It means they can perform one of their favorite activities, which is scolding anyone who might contemplate operating outside the traditional bounds of partisan American politics. To even consider doing this is inherently sinister in their minds, especially now, if it can be portrayed as decreasing the likelihood that Donald Trump will be voted out of office. (Ascertaining whether a theoretical third party run by Gabbard would actually “help Trump” is of course impossible, and so futile an exercise as to be pointless.)

So they wield this specter of a nonexistent third party “spoiler” for a very particular purpose, which is to impose discipline. Even vaguely gesturing at the prospect of a third party campaign brings forth condemnation and ridicule from the anti-Trump media class, thereby sending a clear message: merely entertain the prospect of defying the two-party system and you will be destroyed. The hectoring pundits will of course also insist that we are in the midst of a historic national emergency, which renders any third party run even more intolerable. (Somehow, every election cycle constitutes a national emergency of one kind or another.)

Gabbard, despite explicitly ruling out the possibility of running as anything other than a Democrat, provides a useful foil for these partisan media personalities hellbent on putting up a carefully regulated unified front against Trump. Her political arguments -- especially around foreign policy -- can be dismissed as the ramblings of a crank who simply wants to “spoil” the Democrats’ plans; addressing her on the substance is worthless, because her motives have already been impugned. Gabbard regularly professes her desire to defeat Trump, but that makes no difference to commentators who have already decided her intentions are secretly subversive. The latest to wallow in this argument is Jonathan Chait of New York magazine, who alleges that Gabbard is “working on behalf of the Republicans” despite her stated goal of defeating the incumbent Republican president. This paranoid mentality is pervasive.

But their antipathy for Gabbard goes beyond any purported third party menace. Democratic pundits particularly loathe that she has demonstrated a proficiency for communicating with conservative audiences, which is unusual in the current blinkered political landscape. Ordinarily, the ability to interact effectively with voters across the political spectrum would be lauded as an impressive skill -- an antidote to the tedious polarization that pundits often claim to be so tired of. But in Gabbard’s case, this attribute automatically stokes suspicion and condemnation from the liberal commentariat. Gabbard favors a universal government health care program, prohibition of fossil fuels, the codification of Roe v. Wade, and numerous other left-wing policy items, but somehow her capacity to express these views in conservative venues and not be run out of the room is regarded as nefarious.

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Postby ramana » 02 Nov 2019 04:41

One good thing is unlike 30 years ago, the candidates don't attack blacks to show their toughness.
Eg. Bill Clinton attacked a black singer Sistah Souljah for her lyrics.
Before that Dukakis was attacked by Papa Bush for pardoning Willie Horton.

Good that era ended.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby disha » 02 Nov 2019 04:43

Beto has dropped out of race. :((

Some pompous Clintonite once said

"Biden and Beto is a ticket for next 16 years" !!!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Postby nachiket » 02 Nov 2019 04:54

Kamala Harris shutters offices throughout New Hampshire

Sen. Kamala Harris’ campaign has almost completely shuttered its New Hampshire campaign, with no visible activity at any of her offices in the state.

The campaign confirmed it is largely abandoning New Hampshire, keeping only a skeleton crew and canceling an upcoming visit. Harris also will not file in person to be on the ballot, a tradition that garners local media attention.

...

Harris has gone all-in on Iowa after a continuing slump through the summer and now fall. The campaign took off after launching in front of a crowd of 22,000 people in Oakland, but is now retrenching in an effort to conserve resources.

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Postby ramana » 02 Nov 2019 05:04

With these two dropping out in the 3% and below 2% who benefits?

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Postby ramana » 02 Nov 2019 05:09

As Countess Violet says to Spratt her butler
"There's a point, Spratt, where malice ceases to be amusing."

Also applies to Nancy Pelosi.

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Postby UlanBatori » 02 Nov 2019 06:08

Mugshots of 4 (FOUR!!!) elephants and 17 donkeys left. I had no idea that there were these 3 other elephants in the jungle. And they haven't attracted a single tweet from the Twit#1?

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Postby UlanBatori » 02 Nov 2019 07:28

Deep State: RT.com
In just a few short months, the US political establishment has gone from denying the existence of the ‘Deep State’ and calling it a conspiracy theory, to praising it as the bulwark of the Republic against President Donald Trump.
“Thank God for the ‘Deep State,’” declared former CIA director John E. McLaughlin at an event this week, describing the diplomats and intelligence officers testifying before the congressional impeachment inquiry as “people who are doing their duty or responding to a higher call.”
Lavishing praise on the ‘whistleblower’ intelligence officer whose complaint about Trump’s phone call launched the impeachment probe, McLaughlin said the intelligence community is “institutionally committed to objectivity and telling the truth.”
One would think this might be a bit rich, coming from the former deputy director of the CIA at the time of the infamous ‘Iraqi WMDs’ fiasco – and acting director for a time in 2004 – but McLaughlin’s comments were met with applause by the crowd at George Mason University’s Schar School of Policy and Government. He wasn’t the only one to praise the Deep State either. Sitting right next to him was John Brennan, the CIA director under President Barack Obama, whose fingerprints are all over the so-called ‘Steele dossier’ and ‘Russiagate’, and who is now enjoying a rewarding career as a TV pundit accusing Trump of treason. Brennan argued that the reason Trump “has a contentious relationship with the Deep State people… is because they tell the truth,” and praised the unelected intelligence and law enforcement officials for continuing to “do their work irrespective of what he’s going to do or say.”

One would think this might be a bit rich, coming from the former deputy director of the CIA at the time of the infamous ‘Iraqi WMDs’ fiasco – and acting director for a time in 2004 – but McLaughlin’s comments were met with applause by the crowd at George Mason University’s Schar School of Policy and Government.

He wasn’t the only one to praise the Deep State either. Sitting right next to him was John Brennan, the CIA director under President Barack Obama, whose fingerprints are all over the so-called ‘Steele dossier’ and ‘Russiagate’, and who is now enjoying a rewarding career as a TV pundit accusing Trump of treason.

Brennan argued that the reason Trump “has a contentious relationship with the Deep State people… is because they tell the truth,” and praised the unelected intelligence and law enforcement officials for continuing to “do their work irrespective of what he’s going to do or say.”

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Postby UlanBatori » 02 Nov 2019 07:42

RT is clearly going all-out
A group of Democrats working in secret replicated the deceptive social media tactics they claim Russians used to steal the 2016 election in order to win the 2017 Alabama Senate race, according to an explosive NYT report.
In order to paint Roy Moore as the Kremlin candidate, the manipulators linked his campaign to thousands of Russian Twitter accounts that all started following him at once – drawing the attention and suspicion of the media, which obediently published rumors that his support numbers were artificially bolstered by Russian bots. Morgan claims the botnet "false flag" – a term that actually appears in the report – "does not ring a bell," dismissing the project as "a small experiment" in tactics that were not meant to sway the election. He pleads the Fifth on the report's claims that the Alabama project intended to "enrage and energize Democrats" and "depress turnout" among Republicans, weaponizing accusations that Moore had tried to seduce teen girls while in his 30s. Morgan also claims to forget the names of the Twitter and Facebook accounts he set up to manipulate Moore voters.
It's a truism that so-called "coastal elites" have only disdain for Middle America, but the way Morgan describes the Alabama special election as an inconsequential throwaway contest fit only for a science experiment is eye-opening.

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Postby disha » 02 Nov 2019 08:29

Elizabeth Warren sank her campaign with her 'medicare for all plan'!

1. Her medicare for all plan calls for shuttering all private insurance

2. That means 2 million people will lose their jobs. And guess what where will they go for medical insurance? They will go onto public funded medical insurance.

3. That means all other working stiffs will be paying for the medical insurance for the unemployed 2 million people.

4. And they will pay it to the government. And the corporates will pay additional payroll taxes to the government.

In essence, US government will run a huge public insurance program

with zero competition. That is Communism

And all republicans have to scream -> 'COMMIES' (and rightly so)

I think Pocahontas is not that smart. Imagine making one set of people to lose their jobs and other set of people to pay for the cost of the insurance of the people who just lost their jobs. And telling that it is all good for them.

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Postby komal » 02 Nov 2019 08:48

disha wrote:
I think Pocahontas is not that smart. Imagine making one set of people to lose their jobs and other set of people to pay for the cost of the insurance of the people who just lost their jobs. And telling that it is all good for them.


Not sure how this differs from imposing tarrifs on one industry and have taxpayers cover the job loses caused by these tarrifs.

Or how changing visa rules to force industries to either outsource overseas critical functions to remain globally competitive or shutter their doors.

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komal wrote:
disha wrote:
I think Pocahontas is not that smart. Imagine making one set of people to lose their jobs and other set of people to pay for the cost of the insurance of the people who just lost their jobs. And telling that it is all good for them.


Not sure how this differs from imposing tarrifs on one industry and have taxpayers cover the job loses caused by these tarrifs.

Or how changing visa rules to force industries to either outsource overseas critical functions to remain globally competitive or shutter their doors.


Agree provided the job losses are temporary. However in this instance this will be a permanent loss of jobs. Medical care is needed by all people and is not optional. There are many Rethuglicans who think that the federal government has no role in public health, but Medicaide and Medicare are huge federal budget expenditures, over 26% of the budget. There are no easy ways out of this problem for the US. Private insurance is a scam between doctor practices plus hospitals. Those who have insurance pay a lower rate for service compared to those who don't. Nowadays, health care providers will turn over unpaid bills to aggressive collection agents to make the problem even worse for the working middle class. That is you pay for the inflated health care bills or pay for food and heating.

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Postby komal » 02 Nov 2019 15:28

vijayk wrote:Image

DUMBO DONKEYS HATE THIS ... They immediately want 20 Trillions to give it to guberment


Explain to this dumbo donkey urban naxalite who twice voted for a Kenyan Muslim Terorrist how exploding the deficit by $1 trillion per year (forever) is worth creating so little jobs? And what about the 4% GDP that was promised that would eliminate those deficits. And this decficit is after all the tax increases due to the tariffs.

And the deficits are so massive that the banking sector cannot absorb them. The FRB has been forced to buy Tresaury secuirites.

Thanks in advance.

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Postby Kashi » 02 Nov 2019 15:36

komal wrote:Explain to this dumbo donkey urban naxalite who twice voted for a Kenyan Muslim Terorrist


Komalji, still awaiting your response to my query.. I eagerly look forward to your views.

Thanks in advance.

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Postby komal » 02 Nov 2019 16:31

Kashi wrote:
Agree with what you said there komalji, your point is well made.

Do you really believe that the likes of Ilhan Omar, Rep. Sherman or others who participated in the "hearings" have views that are dissimilar to Evangelists and therefore in their likelihood of -for a lack of better word- "favorableness" to India? Do you believe it's only money that's making them speak and act like this, or their real views are actually very different?

If you believe that it is fallacious to believe that "a party reliant o[n] Evangelical Christians is somehow favorable to India..", then what should one make of the party that is increasingly reliant on groups that are seemingly no different from the Evangelists in their feelings towards India and Hindus in particular. A position that they are advertising and cementing increasingly and more frequently and it's not just one or two of them.

I am not shilling for either Dems or Repubs here, I am merely asking you (and all the Indian-Americans here who may care to respond), why should we view one as different form other, when they both seem to be the two sides of the same malevolent, venomous coin.

Do we really have the choice of a lesser-evil here?


I actually make a distinciton between anti-Hindu and anti-India.

My experience has been that the key wings of the GOP are very much anti-Hindu and, thus, anti-India. To many of them, Hinduism == Satanism. Many other make $$$ through "charity" and conversion efforts. And influential GOP like Newt Gingrich have given free reign to anti-Hindu forces within the GOP.

I also believe if you read the Blood Telegram or any of the Nixon/Kissinger tape transcripts, the element of anti-Hinduism is self evident.

And I also beleive, that had the GOP been in power, the 1967 immigration laws would never have been relaxed to allow Hindus in to the USA on a large scale.

The element of anti-Hinduism has never been supported by the leadership of the Democratic Party.

The USA was anti-India for decades becasue Nehru was anti-USA. Robin Raphael was naive and malicious. But Clinton certainly was not anti-Hindu as Nixon was.

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Postby UlanBatori » 02 Nov 2019 17:01

The only solution to healthcare that I can see, is a slash in costs by 1 or 2 or even 3 orders of magnitude (3 on some things, 2 on many more things, but 1 at least on pretty-much everything.

Problem in US system is IMO:
1) System keeps # of "qualified" practitioners way too low.
2) Range of remedies is kept too tight by FDA etc.
3) HUGE threat of lawsuits and prison
4) IMMENSE overhead with 99% useless paperwork.
5) Overpaid drug and insurance execs and excessive profiteering.

That can come by vastly increasing the supply side: going global for all except things that absolutely must have close human contact. And getting enough practitioners to level the cost there.
36-hour shifts for Interns etc. banned. Bring in enough Interns.
A cut in insurance costs also for doctors and other providers. Which means tight limits on malpractice suits. Doctors cannot be good doctors with the threat of ruin and prison flapping its wings right over their heads.
Of course, bring in automation and AI in a huge way to reduce the paperwork by 1 to 2 orders of magnitude.
Basically slash the overhead.

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Postby Mort Walker » 02 Nov 2019 21:02

komal wrote:
vijayk wrote:Image

DUMBO DONKEYS HATE THIS ... They immediately want 20 Trillions to give it to guberment


Explain to this dumbo donkey urban naxalite who twice voted for a Kenyan Muslim Terorrist how exploding the deficit by $1 trillion per year (forever) is worth creating so little jobs? And what about the 4% GDP that was promised that would eliminate those deficits. And this decficit is after all the tax increases due to the tariffs.

And the deficits are so massive that the banking sector cannot absorb them. The FRB has been forced to buy Tresaury secuirites.

Thanks in advance.


It has to be looked at by percentages since the number is so large to begin with.

Bush-II increased the debt by 101%.
Ombaba by 74%.
Trump by 30% from FY18, 19, and 20 (proposed).

By comparison, the first 3 years of Ombaba increased the debt by 37%. Many of Ombaba's choices were stimulus handouts to various industries like the auto and banking sectors were bad. At the time Paul Krugman, who is no friend of conservatives, criticised this stimulus. Trump on the other hand deserves criticism for spending, but reducing the capital gains tax and removing its deductions was needed to make the US competitive. By the way, the Indian Finance Minister NS did the same thing, but should have happened earlier.

Increased defense spending has yielded many high skilled engineering jobs. Go check brar_w posts in the US Arms thread in the Mil Forum. He gives wonderful insight as a program manager.

Again, the complaints about FRB intervention in the repo market is unfounded and unrelated to the Treasury department's policies. Please see the following link from the WSJ:
https://on.wsj.com/2PlV1Lc

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Postby Mort Walker » 02 Nov 2019 21:29

komal wrote:I actually make a distinciton between anti-Hindu and anti-India.

My experience has been that the key wings of the GOP are very much anti-Hindu and, thus, anti-India. To many of them, Hinduism == Satanism. Many other make $$$ through "charity" and conversion efforts. And influential GOP like Newt Gingrich have given free reign to anti-Hindu forces within the GOP.

I also believe if you read the Blood Telegram or any of the Nixon/Kissinger tape transcripts, the element of anti-Hinduism is self evident.

And I also beleive, that had the GOP been in power, the 1967 immigration laws would never have been relaxed to allow Hindus in to the USA on a large scale.

The element of anti-Hinduism has never been supported by the leadership of the Democratic Party.

The USA was anti-India for decades becasue Nehru was anti-USA. Robin Raphael was naive and malicious. But Clinton certainly was not anti-Hindu as Nixon was.


This is the same rationale people in India make for voting for the INC. Inertia is very hard to overcome. Everyone knows the GOP evangelists are anti-Hindu and racist, but at the same time time the pro-business elements have greater pull in the party. As India gets to a $5T GDP, the evangelists becomes less relevant and pro-business elements are having a greater pull.

LBJ was elected overwhelmingly in 1964, even if JFK lived, he would have been re-elected and the The Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1965 would not have passed in its current form. That 1965 law was an aberration of the times after JFK. The Democratic Party of JFK of 50 years ago died by the late 1980s. Today they are the Urban Naxal Party of America is occupied by self-serving Donkeystanis. We do not need Pramila Jaypal, Ro Khanna, Kamala Harris, Pocahontas, Sleepy Joe, or the Squad who are firmly in the grips of the Islamists.

The element of anti-Hinduism is not needed by the Donkeystani leadership because they are anti-Indian. They can easily hide under the cloak of universalism (just like INC politicians hide behind secularism) and continue to kick India in the nuts. The Clintons are a perfect example of this.

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Postby Vikas » 02 Nov 2019 21:41

JFK, Nixon, Clinton or even Bush were operating in a different world where India was poor, sanctimonious, wretched, almost a beggar but self-righteous and super critical of USA. There was no reason for India to exist as a normal country without breaking up into many pieces as per deep state.

Of course their reaction to India was according to the times they lived in where USA was/is a Superpower with unlimited wealth and the baggage they carried. That except for short bursts of time, they were not overtly Anti-Indian in itself is a great achievement by Indian Babudom.

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Postby UlanBatori » 02 Nov 2019 22:14

It gets a bit more convoluted. The "positives" about India in the West were spread by "kindly and generous" British and other Oiropeans mostly missionaries. Gunga Din, Mahatma Gandy, Oxford-ejjikated J. Nehru, maybe bijnejmen like Tata. And the free-spending Maharajahs. Plus the British-ejjikated "Democracy" and "Free (English-language) Press".
People who think the West was bowled over by Vivekananda are in la-la-land. The Whired Barliment of Relijjuns was a scam organized by the same types who organize Jawjuh Whirled Championship Wresting in Atlantabad. Swami V was sneaked into this by an MIT prof with a sense of humor, just to get even with the pompous asses of Hahvahd: the Ramakrishna Mission's request to get Swami V into the WP was laughed off. Probably the MIT prof arranged the press coverage which was played up in India as world-conquering etc.

1962 confirmed the image of a weak India.
1965 shocked the West.
1971 went up their oiseules.
1974 made them uppity and mad.
1984 made them very hopeful that India would shatter.
1996 (CTBT F*** U) again shocked them.
And 1998 sent them into a frenzy.
1999 shocked them back into silence.

And then came this thing called Indian Nationalism. Oops! "Yindoo" Nationalism. So don't look for who was "pro-India" or "patronizing towards India" in the past. Those things do not convey anything about attitudes towards today's and evolving India. You have to think harder.

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Postby A_Gupta » 02 Nov 2019 22:31

The relevant number is the debt-to-GDP ratio. The absolute value of the debt isn’t very instructive.

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Postby A_Gupta » 02 Nov 2019 22:34

Many of Ombaba's choices were stimulus handouts to various industries like the auto and banking sectors were bad. At the time Paul Krugman, who is no friend of conservatives, criticised this stimulus.


Yes, Krugman criticized the stimulus as being too small to make an impact; the required impact being to revive the economy quickly after the great Bush financial crash of 2008.

Don’t you love the quoted propaganda? This rates with the “KKK were Democrats”.

Bhakts at least are Bhakts for India. What value is there in being Bhakts of Murdoch media is beyond me.

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Postby Mort Walker » 02 Nov 2019 22:48

A_Gupta wrote:The relevant number is the debt-to-GDP ratio. The absolute value of the debt isn’t very instructive.


Debt increased as a percentage is important. Debt-to-GDP ratio is also important as reported at end of FY on 30 Sep.
On 30 Sep 2009 it was 83%.

Obama debt-to-GDP ratio increased 17% in 1st term: FY2010 90% and FY2013 99%
Obama debt-to-GDP ratio increased 4% in 2nd term: FY2014 101% and FY2017 103%
Trump debt-to-GDP ratio increased 3% in 1st term: FY2018 105% and FY2021 106% (estimate)

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby komal » 02 Nov 2019 22:53

Yes. A claim / promise that tax cuts would decrease the deficit and generate 3% plus GDP growth no longer matters because Clinton and Obamba are urban naxalites.

Makes sense to the GOP base I guess.
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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Mort Walker » 02 Nov 2019 22:54

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Many of Ombaba's choices were stimulus handouts to various industries like the auto and banking sectors were bad. At the time Paul Krugman, who is no friend of conservatives, criticised this stimulus.


Yes, Krugman criticized the stimulus as being too small to make an impact; the required impact being to revive the economy quickly after the great Bush financial crash of 2008.

Don’t you love the quoted propaganda? This rates with the “KKK were Democrats”.

Bhakts at least are Bhakts for India. What value is there in being Bhakts of Murdoch media is beyond me.


Sorry, it was the NY Times where he said the Ombaba admin was making the equivalent of $2 bets at the blackjack table. Go look it up.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Mort Walker » 02 Nov 2019 22:55

komal wrote:Yes. A claim / promise that tax cuts would decrease the deficit and generate 3% plus GDP growth no longer matters because Clinton and Obamba are urban naxalites.

Makes sense to the GOP base I guess.


Ombaba was not an Urban Naxalite, but the Clintons are the warmonger king and queen.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 02 Nov 2019 23:20

A_Gupta wrote:Don’t you love the quoted propaganda? This rates with the “KKK were Democrats”.

er.. the trolling is getting a bit tiring. So why not enjoy the "propaganda"?
Ku Klux Klan: Wikipedia
Historian George C. Rable argues that the Klan was a political failure and therefore was discarded by the Democratic leaders of the South {so it was in their pocket, hain?}. He says:
"the Klan declined in strength in part because of internal weaknesses; its lack of central organization and the failure of its leaders to control criminal elements and sadists. More fundamentally, it declined because it failed to achieve its central objective – the overthrow of Republican state governments in the South.[31]"
After the Klan was suppressed, similar insurgent paramilitary groups arose that were explicitly directed at suppressing Republican voting and turning Republicans out of office: the White League, which started in Louisiana in 1874; and the Red Shirts, which started in Mississippi and developed chapters in the Carolinas. For instance, the Red Shirts are credited with helping elect Wade Hampton as governor in South Carolina. They were described as acting as the military arm of the Democratic Party and are attributed with helping white Democrats regain control of state legislatures throughout the South.[32]
{oh! no! But they weren't KKK! Like Lashkar-e-Jhangvi has nothing to do with Lashkar-e-Toiba or ISI}


And oh, NO! Who? Democrats? KKK? :eek:
At the time of Ulysses S. Grant's election to the presidency, white supremacists were conducting a reign of terror throughout the South. In outright defiance of the Republican-led federal government, Southern Democrats formed organizations that violently intimidated blacks and Republicans who tried to win political power.

The most prominent of these, the Ku Klux Klan, was formed in Pulaski, Tennessee, in 1865. Originally founded as a social club for former Confederate soldiers, the Klan evolved into a terrorist organization. It would be responsible for thousands of deaths, and would help to weaken the political power of Southern blacks and Republicans.

In the time leading up to the 1868 presidential election, the Klan's activities picked up in speed and brutality. The election, which pitted Republican Ulysses S. Grant against Democrat Horatio Seymour, was crucial. Republicans would continue programs that prevented Southern whites from gaining political control in their states. Klan members knew that given the chance, the blacks in their communities would vote Republican.

Across the South, the Klan and other terrorist groups used brutal violence to intimidate Republican voters. In Kansas, over 2,000 murders were committed in connection with the election. In Georgia, the number of threats and beatings was even higher. And in Louisiana, 1000 blacks were killed as the election neared. In those three states, Democrats won decisive victories at the polls.


Now to the 1920s:

At the national level, the Klan is alleged to have elected dozens of Senators and Congressmen in the 1920s. Though at the local level Klan politicians were both Republicans and Democrats, nationally it was the Democratic Party that was most associated with the Klan because of intense infighting at its 1924 Presidential nominating convention. Klan allies fought tooth-and-nail to oppose the nomination of New York Governor Al Smith because he was Catholic, and conflict between delegates went from rhetoric to fistfights. The negative publicity from this infighting supposedly helped Republican Calvin Coolidge win the Presidency that year by a landslide.

Certainly the biggest question with regard to the Washington state’s Klan’s influence on local and national electoral politics comes through its relationship to Congressman Albert Johnson, Representative to the United States House from Washington’s Third Congressional District.
{Demonocrat} Congressman Johnson was a eugenics supporter and a national leader in demanding that the U.S. restrict most of its immigration to “Nordic” peoples. As Chair of the House’s Immigration Committee, he introduced and led a successful drive to pass what in 1924 became the most strict immigration law in American history. His intolerant views and political career grew independently of the Ku Klux Klan. He claimed to have been part of a mob that forced hundreds of South Asians out of Bellingham, Washington and into Canada in 1907, was elected in 1914 on an anti-immigrant platform, and played a leading role among Western Congressmen in calling for comprehensive anti-Japanese and anti-South Asian immigration restriction as soon as he arrived in the Capitol. Johnson was a member of the Freemasons, a group the Klan often sought to recruit from.


The Klan was public and effusive in its support of Albert Johnson.

Read more on the sweet Deomcrat Congressman Albert Johnson here

Grant, Reconstruction and the KKK

Journal Article: Power Devaluation, the Ku Klux Klan, and the Democratic National Convention of 1924. Rory McVeigh, Sociological Forum, Vol. 16, No. 1 (Mar., 2001), pp. 1-30

And the Democratic Party has always been great at empowering its Women too!
The Hilary-ous thing is that they claim that calling these women Democrats was false. But read the facts above that clearly identify the KKK as a Democrat Party mob arm. This was **1925***. Clearly these are women. Clearly these are KKK sh1ts. So what party were they? Ooooo!!! That's soooo difficult to figure out, isn't it?
PROPAGANDA!!! :((

I hope I have made the point that there is no historical error in associating the origin and fomenting of the Ku Klux Klan with the DEMOCRATIC PARTY?

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby komal » 03 Nov 2019 00:14

Gee, the world ends in 1948? What happened at the Democratic Party conention?

What happened in the 1960s?

Yes. The dumbocrats are the party of racism. Mexicans r paying for the impenertable wall. Chinese r paying for tariffs. The budget is balanced Economic growth is soaring. Just look at the trade surplus

Everyone fears the might of the USA! East is West. 2 and 2 and 2 is 4.

HITLERY. OBAMBA. KKKLINTON. Urban naxalite.

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Postby Mort Walker » 03 Nov 2019 00:19

komal wrote:Gee, the world ends in 1948? What happened at the Democratic Party conention?

What happened in the 1960s?

Yes. The dumbocrats are the party of racism. Mexicans r paying for the impenertable wall. Chinese r paying for tariffs. The budget is balanced Economic growth is soaring. Just look at the trade surplus

Everyone fears the might of the USA! East is West. 2 and 2 and 2 is 4.

HITLERY. OBAMBA. KKKLINTON. Urban naxalite.



I can understand the frustration when presented with facts. Woodrow Wilson was a racist and it was his policies that kept segregation into place in the first half of the 20th century. Apartheid. Even Truman who needed blacks integrated the US armed forces opposed civil rights.

LBJ realized the need for the black vote, but personally hated the colored. He hated India too and it was during the 1960s when TSP started to become heavily armed on the pretext of communist incursions.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby komal » 03 Nov 2019 00:47

I only have the facts to by. The budget is balanced. GDP far exceeds what was acheived under the Kenyan Muslim Terrorist. The trade deficit is now a surplus. Millions of manufacturing jobs have been created since 2017. The dumbocrats are still following the policies of Woodrow Wilson.

KKLinton. Hitlery. Obamba. Deep State. Newt Gingrigh lights lamps. Take that you Urban Naxals.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Mort Walker » 03 Nov 2019 00:53

komal wrote:I only have the facts to by. The budget is balanced. GDP far exceeds what was acheived under the Kenyan Muslim Terrorist. The trade deficit is now a surplus. Millions of manufacturing jobs have been created since 2017. The dumbocrats are still following the policies of Woodrow Wilson.

KKLinton. Hitlery. Obamba. Deep State. Newt Gingrigh lights lamps. Take that you Urban Naxals.


I’m glad you see it that way. Ombaba is not a Kenyan Muslim. No person who makes it to that level of elected office is a duffer. They all have some ability. It’s just that warmonger queen has no qualities except for pathological lying.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby komal » 03 Nov 2019 01:03

Not to mention that Woodrow Wilson, Harry Truman and LBJ are racists. The GOP has no racists. Ronald Reagan was lifelong fighter for civil rights along with both Bushes. And the current office holder's legacy of civil rights is well documented. Recall his courageous statement after the incidents in Charlottesville.

Yes, it was Hitlery who invaded Iraq in 1990. And how can we forget what she did in the spring of 2003. And she will no doubt lie about what happened in December 1971 (it was her in burkha screaming at Niazi not to sign that document at the racecourse).

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 03 Nov 2019 01:49

Reading the history of the KKK and Democrat Party hit home for the parallels to J&K. Political party fighting elections the old-fashioned way: with a Mob Arm, and the Night-Riders, cowards in bedsheets dragging people out of their homes and torturing them to death in the name of a symbol of Religion (burning cross in their case, green flag with moon in J&K case). Declared objective of "overthrowing" the democratically elected government by means fair or foul.

And of course, it was the terrorists who always screamed about Hyooman Rites. Still is.

Nothing has changed, in Duplicity or in Srinagar. And maybe the only solution is what was implemented in the South: influx of people who came just to work hard and make a living, and who had no time for the hate cra*. And who created and ENFORCED laws that crushed the hate-mongers. To ppl who :(( about Art370 and Cash More, ask them why Ahlanuh, Jawjuh is called the "City That Is Too Busy To Hate". Its certainly not for lack of hate-mongers, but the business community just runs over the hate-mongers. Bad for bijnej. This is my big hope for Cash More as well.

Back in 1980 or so, in ******abad, a black family was at a riverside park picnic. A few yahoos (er... no Republicans then in power, so it must have been, let's see, Libertarians? ) pointed a shotgun at them and ordered them to leave. Apparently there were witnesses. Federal judge sent the yahoos away for a good long picnic at the Fed. Pen. First conviction and sentence I know, specifically under the Hate Crime Law, though there were no physical injuries.

J&K needs that sort of no-nonsense laws and enforcement.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby komal » 03 Nov 2019 02:29

^
Great idea. Maybe we can Dan Burton to go to J&K to teach the babus civil rights. Too bad Jesse Helms is dead. Kissinger is still around.

Newt can light some lamps though.

Nikki Hayley and Bobby Jindal would add some color.
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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Mort Walker » 03 Nov 2019 02:39

komal wrote:^
Great idea. Maybe we can Dan Burton to go to J&K to teach the babus civil rights. Too bad Jesse Helms is dead. Kissinger is still around.

Newt can light some lamps though.

Nikki Hayley and Bobby Jindal would add some color.
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Burton is too old, but his chuddy-buddy Pence can go and light some lamps with Newt. Kissingassenger was recently with Modi. See the pics in this thread or India-US relations thread. Maybe the Urban Naxal Squad can visit soon along with Pocahontas and lecture India like Herr Merkel.

Namrata and Piyush are busy making money as lobbyists. Very likely using Indian origin influence. Unlike the worthies Jaypal and Ro Khanna who couldn’t get elected as county dog catchers outside of their Urban Naxal congressional districts.

Too bad Trump can’t dismiss state governments like CA, NY and IL and put them under martial law. Or at least threaten them like the Democratic governor of Alabama, George Wallace in 1963.


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