Understanding the US - Again

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby A_Gupta » 05 Dec 2019 08:32

The case where the surveyed people are role-played as decision maker and asked what to do apparently shows even stronger support for NATO.

Also there is a long tail of boomer suspicion of Russia.

Further: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... ach-other/

“Democratic and Republican views of Russia followed similar trajectories – until Trump’s election. For many years, Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents had slightly more favorable views of Russia than Republicans and GOP leaners, and opinions in both groups moved downward in tandem. After Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, for example, opinions dropped substantially among members of both parties. Following Trump’s election in 2016, however, favorable opinions of Russia more than doubled among Republicans, while Democrats’ views were mostly unchanged. In the Center’s latest survey, the share of Republicans with a positive view of Russia fell to 27%, but it was still above the share of Democrats with a favorable view (16%).”

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PS: Another significant thing to note is that NATO/Ukraine/Crimea is one of the very few issues where Republican Congress and Senate members are willing to contradict and go against Trump.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Arun.prabhu » 05 Dec 2019 10:49

What are you smoking and where can I buy it? Lincoln led America into civil war? The south did everything they could to keep slavery legal and when slavery opposition north’s candidate won, they seceded, forcing Lincoln to reluctantly go to war to hold the nation together. Perhaps you think Modi should led Kashmir go if a bunch of thievish scumbags from Kashmir wanted to fatten their purses and so quit India?

UlanBatori wrote:Lincoln led the nation into a civil war that cost a million lives and basically trashed the nation, plus polarizing as deep as it gets.
Maybe today DT would have just struck a deal to build Trump Mansions all over the South, or somehow avoided the war. Converted the cotton fields to marijuana fields, Export-Quality.
DT sure did not make Abe's mistake of pretending to tell the truth: he does the opposite. A shotgun approach to making statements, promises.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Mort Walker » 05 Dec 2019 10:54

A_Gupta wrote:The case where the surveyed people are role-played as decision maker and asked what to do apparently shows even stronger support for NATO.

Also there is a long tail of boomer suspicion of Russia.

Further: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... ach-other/

“Democratic and Republican views of Russia followed similar trajectories – until Trump’s election. For many years, Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents had slightly more favorable views of Russia than Republicans and GOP leaners, and opinions in both groups moved downward in tandem. After Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, for example, opinions dropped substantially among members of both parties. Following Trump’s election in 2016, however, favorable opinions of Russia more than doubled among Republicans, while Democrats’ views were mostly unchanged. In the Center’s latest survey, the share of Republicans with a positive view of Russia fell to 27%, but it was still above the share of Democrats with a favorable view (16%).”

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PS: Another significant thing to note is that NATO/Ukraine/Crimea is one of the very few issues where Republican Congress and Senate members are willing to contradict and go against Trump.


A favorable or unfavorable view of Russia does not automatically translate to greater support of NATO when it comes to the defense of the Baltic member states. Crimea is part of Russia and the US has no business there except to precipitate an unnecessary conflict.

https://www.voanews.com/usa/survey-show ... pport-nato
https://today.yougov.com/topics/politic ... about-nato

YouGov said there is a generational divide in the United States over support for NATO, with 56 percent of the Baby Boomer generation, who grew up at the beginning of the Cold War, believing that the treaty continues to serve an important role in defending Western nations. Only 35 percent of Millennials and 33 percent of Generation X members support U.S. participation in the alliance.

There is also a political divide, according to the survey, with 60 percent of Democrats in the United States agreeing the alliance serves an important role, while only 38 percent of Republicans believe the same.
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Postby Mort Walker » 05 Dec 2019 10:59

Arun.prabhu wrote:What are you smoking and where can I buy it? Lincoln led America into civil war? The south did everything they could to keep slavery legal and when slavery opposition north’s candidate won, they seceded, forcing Lincoln to reluctantly go to war to hold the nation together. Perhaps you think Modi should led Kashmir go if a bunch of thievish scumbags from Kashmir wanted to fatten their purses and so quit India?

UlanBatori wrote:Lincoln led the nation into a civil war that cost a million lives and basically trashed the nation, plus polarizing as deep as it gets.
Maybe today DT would have just struck a deal to build Trump Mansions all over the South, or somehow avoided the war. Converted the cotton fields to marijuana fields, Export-Quality.
DT sure did not make Abe's mistake of pretending to tell the truth: he does the opposite. A shotgun approach to making statements, promises.


Try to understand the Yak herder. There is the subtlety of satire.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Arun.prabhu » 05 Dec 2019 12:15

Ah. My apologies then.

Mort Walker wrote:
Arun.prabhu wrote:What are you smoking and where can I buy it? Lincoln led America into civil war? The south did everything they could to keep slavery legal and when slavery opposition north’s candidate won, they seceded, forcing Lincoln to reluctantly go to war to hold the nation together. Perhaps you think Modi should led Kashmir go if a bunch of thievish scumbags from Kashmir wanted to fatten their purses and so quit India?



Try to understand the Yak herder. There is the subtlety of satire.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Rsatchi » 05 Dec 2019 12:23

https://youtu.be/-Ga3CrmYKto
Regardless of whatever one smokes /drinks/chews : DT is making a spectacle.
I just wonder if the days of Khan are numbered??? like the way the racist and bombastic Churchill led to the dismemberment of the 'empire'
Wonder what the future blocks gonna be: EU/Chini led block/India-Japan-ANZ?? where will the US fit in
Unless there is a major incident or Chini disaster

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby disha » 05 Dec 2019 13:09

Rsatchi wrote:https://youtu.be/-Ga3CrmYKto
Regardless of whatever one smokes /drinks/chews : DT is making a spectacle.


Interesting. Son of late Prime Minister of Canada who was making a spectacular show of himself on his visit to India is gossiping about another leader. Did the Kanuck's narcissism got butt hurt? And who is 'princess Anne'. What the **@#$#$ does she do? Does she sweat like her brother Andrew or does she not while running around with kids?

Of course Macron was smarting. Since one of the sticky point is what does one do with the ISIS captured in Syria who were sourced from west? At least France took some of them. But US does not want the ISIS captured in Syria sourced from fUK, Germany, France etc back in US. But neither does fUK, Germany, France etc want their own back a-la Bakistan!

My suggestion, send them to Kanuck land for the beautiful prince to talk about diversity ... maybe they can be paired up with some Khalistanis operating from Vancouver.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 05 Dec 2019 13:45

Is the majority of the 90000+ ISIS living in concentration camps Oiropean/American? I had the notion that the number was like 23, and was wondering why it took so much undie-knotting, but 90,000 is somewhat different. Many wimmens and kids too... all indoctrinated and likely to wear soosai vests.
Best solution is to send them to Pakistan, of course, along with the usual few $B as baksheesh. OTOH, 90,000 is small compared to the armies at the Mexican borderWall.

These G-xx Summits must be dreaded by the G(x-1) netas since DT took over. He treats them like micro-ants. Hilarious, and this is what I like best about DT. Looooooong overdue.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 05 Dec 2019 13:51

Yikes! TGji ventures into the barracuda-pit :eek: :shock:
Amazing how she can maintain composure and smile in **THAT** den. Like she's among friends at the neighborhood hair-dressing/gossip HQ.
A two-day snowstorm wasn't enough to scare off Hawaii-native Rep. Tulsi Gabbard from New Hampshire. In fact, she's officially moved to the state. While other candidates are focusing on Iowa, Gabbard is placing her bets on New Hampshire. Gabbard is one poll short of the four needed to qualify for the December debate stage; two of the qualifying polls were from New Hampshire.

At 5%, Gabbard was tied for fifth place in the Oct. 29 CNN/University of New Hampshire poll of likely primary voters in the state. However, nationally, she received just 2% support, according to the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll released on Nov. 3.
(MORE: Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard says she won't run for reelection in her district)

"We had a town hall in Rochester and then in Gilford right before the storm hit and people said, 'You must be getting out of town.' It was like, 'Nope, we’re here for the duration,'" Gabbard told Manchester ABC affiliate WMUR.

During this week's storm, Gabbard posted pictures showing her doing yoga in her newly rented New Hampshire home as 2 feet of snow piled up outside. Snow isn’t a foreign entity to Gabbard, despite growing up in Hawaii. She has spent several years on the mainland in Washington -- both as a congresswoman and a congressional staffer for the late Sen. Daniel Akaka -- and just this week braved the 20-degree weather marching in a holiday parade in Laconia, New Hampshire.

She did joke that Christmas this year will be a little different; "I grew up in Hawaii where Christmas was you know 80 degrees and a day at the beach. And so being here for the winter, you know, the first snow of the year is always fun."
(MORE: Gabbard lawyers call out-of-context Clinton comments 'defamatory')

Gabbard will likely spend the holiday season campaigning. New Hampshire is a unique state where 78% of likely primary voters said they are still trying to decide what candidate to support, or are leaning toward someone, but have not yet definitely decided on a candidate, according to the CNN/UNH poll.

Marty Prichard, an undecided voter in the state, said he's looking for a candidate who brings "youth, new ideas and new concepts."

"We're at a point in this country where things are very partisan within party lines," Prichard told ABC News after an event featuring South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg. Prichard said he’s looking for a candidate who can bridge that divide and only two candidates fit that bill: Buttgieg and Gabbard.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Rsatchi » 05 Dec 2019 17:42

UlanBatori wrote:Is the majority of the 90000+ ISIS living in concentration camps Oiropean/American? I had the notion that the number was like 23, and was wondering why it took so much undie-knotting, but 90,000 is somewhat different. Many wimmens and kids too... all indoctrinated and likely to wear soosai vests.
Best solution is to send them to Pakistan, of course, along with the usual few $B as baksheesh. OTOH, 90,000 is small compared to the armies at the Mexican borderWall.

These G-xx Summits must be dreaded by the G(x-1) netas since DT took over. He treats them like micro-ants. Hilarious, and this is what I like best about DT. Looooooong overdue.

UBji
Though it makes good visuals and some TRP's for the TV-wallahs!! Do u think it will harm Khan's interest in the long run.
I must say he does (i.e., DT) 'Chaddi-Utaro' of some one of hoighty-toighty in specatular fashion :lol: :lol:
I know Namo is sailing clear of all these flotsam and jetsam at the moment safely(Yaniki keeping his mouth shut while other blatter) but what is equation of dharmic-folks vis-à-vis rest in a decade!!
Do continue upgrading with Khan and keep buying stuff from them!!
All his antics may turn the voters towards Democrats and some Napak loving, peaceful pasand occupy the white house!!

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 05 Dec 2019 18:13

There has been no proper accounting of the History of Oirope. Canadastan todin is part of Oirope, courtesy of the British Western Canada (until very recently the Official Neta was QE2) and Frogistani Eastern Canada. Note that Aus/NZ though gora do not come under the DT scorn: I think of Australia as Alabama With An Attitude (AWAN) and NZ as practically a colony thereof.

1. The Oiropeans colonized most of the world, and robbed and raped most of the world.
2. The Oiropeans have a history of raping and killing each other, going back since they came down from the trees of the Black Forest.
3. The above came together in WW1 and WW2, and trashed the whole world.
4. USA was founded on the idea of organizing together to be free of Oirope.
5. WW2 was resolved when American boots and bombs flattened what was left of Oirope.
6. Instead of colonizing Oirope, Americans poured in massive economic and technical "aid" and turned massive profits from that, of course.
7. But if you look at Oiropean attitudes, they still strut around like they are Humanity's Last Hope.
8. What do France and Britain have that merits UNSC seats?
9. Today they are all in a race to the bottom, unable to withstand economic and technical competition from China, and unable to bully Russia any more.
10. They continue to trash Africa.

For the first time the US is calling them out for the sh1ts that they are. Nicely of course.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby ArjunPandit » 05 Dec 2019 18:31

^^the thing is UBji, assuming most people are nice people, they first speak politely. Which US has done over the years to Europe under the words e.g., freedom, democracy but when the kid becomes delinquent, a rod is necessary. This is what DT is doing. Now should he be using rod the way he's, we can all grab popcorn, enjoy the show and perhaps learn to see what might come our way one day.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 05 Dec 2019 22:28

He is of course setting New Whirled Odour, as Dubyaji-1 used to say. Roberd's Rules of Odor for meetings etc, gone. Now DT's Non-Rules of Odor take over. The Age of Twitter.
Think about it: it is the only way I know to stand up and fight against the poison of faux-PCness strangling all freedoms.
DT's attitude is transactional. He sees his job as being the President of the USA: he only looks after the interests of the USA, and of course himself/his empire, not necessarily in that order. Show me any neta todin/recently exposed, except NaMo and see if it is any different. Sonia/RaGa clan? PC (P Chidambaram)? Iraq President? All are uber-ambitious, and to what end? Just to be chauffered in black armored limos as I used to imagine when I was a kid? Or to go on a once-in-a-lifetime grabbing spree (pun intended) for 4 years or 8 years or 5 years?

So once past the facade, it all boils down to Effectiveness. And I think DT's technique is Effective. Way past time that someone - and only the POTUS could pull it off - started treating the Oiropean and British netas as being on the same plane as 4th-world African and Central American dictators. == Paki Jarnails. Well BELOW Arab sheikhs.
I mean what ARE these oiropean nations? Each is less significant than most American States.

Way back I remember photos of the G-7 where the Oiropeans were literally quaking as DT came to each in turn.
No wonder they are screaming.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 06 Dec 2019 03:28

The most Hilari-ous reporting about the Imbeachment Circus comes of course from RT.com
All roads lead to Putin!’ Pelosi tells Americans impeachment not really about Ukraine but all about… Russia
5 Dec, 2019 21:12
For Americans still confused why exactly Democrats want to impeach President Donald Trump – something about Ukraine, maybe? – House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has helpfully clarified that it’s all about Russia and always has been.
Briefing reporters on the impeachment inquiry on Thursday, Pelosi (D-California) made sure to point out that "this isn't about Ukraine, this is about Russia."
Russia. It's about Russia. Russia invading eastern Ukraine ...all roads lead to Putin. Understand that.

That may come as a surprise given the Democrats’ recent line of argument that Trump must be impeached because he tried to force new Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to open a corruption investigation into the gas company that had Joe Biden’s son Hunter on its board – a “quid pro quo” that qualified as bribery and election interference, somehow.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby vijayk » 06 Dec 2019 03:42

Guys! any one watched Hillary's Howard Stern interview? She is coming? After Trump's impeachment or during his trial in she will become daily face of the media

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 06 Dec 2019 04:03

More from the RT article:

However, as Pelosi explained, it was Russia that somehow “benefited” from Trump withholding US military assistance to Kiev – though she did not say how, since the aid was actually delivered on time. Curiously, she didn’t mention the fact that it was actually the Trump administration which approved military aid to Ukraine in the first place, while the Obama administration refused to, worrying about a worse flare-up in violence.

Perhaps fearing that the case for impeachment on the basis of the alleged “quid pro quo” isn’t quite stacking up the way Democrats wanted it to, Pelosi seems to have reverted to an easier tactic of just shouting “Russia!” and hoping it sticks.

"Sometimes people say I don't know about Ukraine, I don't know that much about Ukraine — well, our adversary in this is Russia," Pelosi continued.

Got that? Never mind that the original story about "collusion" between Trump and Russia crashed and burned after a two-year investigation by Robert Mueller, who couldn't find any. Never mind that the details about Ukraine's place in the whole alleged scandal don’t quite add up, or that Zelensky himself denied ever being pressured, or that the facts of the story don’t seem as clear-cut as Democrats and the media claim. None of that matters, really, because… Russia.


I saw the headline "Hilary bites Sanders on the (donkey) on Stern Interview". But there were more important things to do than watching Hilary and Stern. Like picking my nose.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby A_Gupta » 06 Dec 2019 08:23

A progressive takedown of Buttigieg
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/03/all-about-pete

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 06 Dec 2019 19:35

Wow, THANKS! A writer who sits down and systematically and ruthlessly takes down a pompous ass... in MORE words than I can read. This guy is basically a Republican who decided that the best way to the POTUSy in 2020 is through the Democrat Party. Clinton (I mean Slick Willie) could resonate with people, despite being a Rhodes Scholar. He actually **DID** undo some of the horrors of the Reagan-Bush era and was also smart enough to guide the Internet revolution to massive prosperity: a win for all, in most respects. Before coming to the POTUSy he had been a well-regarded Gov. of Arkansas and a long-time leader in Donkeystan, able to articulate Donkeystani philosophy as well as pragmatic policy.

This guys is simply an oiseule. So what exactly did he do as a Veteran from Afghanistan, and how did he manage that? Clearly a resume-buffing ploy, used (sometimes to catastrophic ends) in the Vietnam era. (Sigh! ) I guess I have to keep reading the article.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 06 Dec 2019 19:56

Answer to my own question: He went into *****NAVAL INTELLIGENCE****. In Afghanistan! (ok, one does not get to decide where one is deployed.... unless one is a Rhodes Scholar I suppose). So he was a data geek: the assault weapon was probably his keyboard and mouse.

But from Buttigieg’s account of his time in Afghanistan, it doesn’t seem as if he has thought very hard about American militarism or empire. Buttigieg served overseas for seven months with naval intelligence, taking a hiatus from his mayoral duties. By his account, it was mostly uneventful, as the U.S. war was winding down and he spent most of his time either doing analysis at a computer terminal or driving gear through the city. He did not apparently meet a single Afghan who he thought worthy of naming in his book, and the people of Kabul appear as anonymous pieces of scenery. (In this respect they are like the Black people of South Bend or the homeless people of Harvard Square: nameless nonentities whose opinions Buttigieg has never sought.)

Buttigieg spends a lot of his time in Afghanistan googling things and meditating on why soldiers must die in wars that are largely over. He doesn’t have any serious criticisms to make of the military itself, and one can see how he’s the type of person who would pronounce himself “troubled” by Barack Obama’s clemency for Chelsea Manning. (Remember that Manning publicly exposed U.S. war crimes, a misdeed for which she was imprisoned and tortured.) The scope of Buttigieg’s self-awareness can be seen from the fact that, in recalling his ambivalence about deployment, he quotes a friend quoting G.K. Chesterton to him: “An adventure is only an inconvenience rightly considered.” A morally serious person would realize that one American person’s inconvenience/adventure is another non-American person’s incinerated wedding party. Considering Buttigieg’s stance on Israel, totally oblivious to the mass killings and the brutality of occupation, we might worry about his commitment to restraining militarism.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Vayutuvan » 07 Dec 2019 02:27

A_Gupta wrote:A progressive takedown of Buttigieg
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/03/all-about-pete

A_Gupta ji, self-awareness seems to be the new favorite phrase of the east coast "woke" progressives, hain jee?

By the way, how do you square your belief that most Americans are low-information voters with your claim that they back NATO to the hilt? Are you sure such low-information voters are able to distinguish between Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, and whatchammacallit ... oh yeah ... Maldova, where Russia is and other geographical finer points of that region?

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 07 Dec 2019 02:35

Now all that Butt-e-gig has to do is to express his views on Islam/ Peaceful terrorism and how he plans to MAGA. Has he expressed his views on illegal immigration/borders given his "veteran" status? I know he shook his head in apparent disagreement when TG talked about Syria. But has very little to offer. Overall he reminds me of the Holy SC governor in the last erlection whose escapades with his mistress(es) in various countries brought him down. Except for the obvious: his claim 2 b "jolly". Pity the Secret Service Agints who have to be right behind and in front of him.. they will never live it down. Wonder what code name they will assign to hm.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 07 Dec 2019 02:52

Interesting development: Saudi Air Fauji in Florida kills 3 and is pest-e-sha'eeded.

Four people are dead including the suspect after an active shooting incident at a naval base in Pensacola, Florida, police said.
The shooter was identified as Mohammed Alshamrani, a Saudi national and member of the country's air force who was in the U.S. for flight training, law enforcement officials familiar with the investigation told ABC News. Investigators are trying to determine whether the shooting was terror-related, the officials said.


Going to be rather interesting to explain why after all the vetting etc, this happens.
"V have met da enemy, and accepted his baksheesh to let him kill our kids"


They are using USAF facilities to give FLIGHT TRAINING TO SAUDIS... Time to rename the Base the Mohammed Atta Flight Training Facility?

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby A_Gupta » 07 Dec 2019 07:13

Vayutuvan wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:A progressive takedown of Buttigieg
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/03/all-about-pete

A_Gupta ji, self-awareness seems to be the new favorite phrase of the east coast "woke" progressives, hain jee?

By the way, how do you square your belief that most Americans are low-information voters with your claim that they back NATO to the hilt? Are you sure such low-information voters are able to distinguish between Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, and whatchammacallit ... oh yeah ... Maldova, where Russia is and other geographical finer points of that region?


What is there to square? Being low information voters and backing NATO without nuance are not mutually exclusive. In fact, I think your argument is that "to back NATO is to be low information; informed voters ought not to back NATO".

In any case, if you dispute any of the facts I've presented, do present countering facts.
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Postby A_Gupta » 07 Dec 2019 07:16

Ultimately from the NYTimes, what Democratic and Republican voters consider to be important:

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(via https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/1 ... #read-more )

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby chetak » 07 Dec 2019 07:36

UlanBatori wrote:Wow, THANKS! A writer who sits down and systematically and ruthlessly takes down a pompous ass... in MORE words than I can read. This guy is basically a Republican who decided that the best way to the POTUSy in 2020 is through the Democrat Party. Clinton (I mean Slick Willie) could resonate with people, despite being a Rhodes Scholar. He actually **DID** undo some of the horrors of the Reagan-Bush era and was also smart enough to guide the Internet revolution to massive prosperity: a win for all, in most respects. Before coming to the POTUSy he had been a well-regarded Gov. of Arkansas and a long-time leader in Donkeystan, able to articulate Donkeystani philosophy as well as pragmatic policy.

This guys is simply an oiseule. So what exactly did he do as a Veteran from Afghanistan, and how did he manage that? Clearly a resume-buffing ploy, used (sometimes to catastrophic ends) in the Vietnam era. (Sigh! ) I guess I have to keep reading the article.



he has a husband (Chasten Glezman),

just like the "famous" aatish taseer (Ryan Davis)

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 07 Dec 2019 08:00

For once I agree with DTji
When it comes to toilets, President Donald Trump just wants to let it flow.

Trump said Friday that his administration is looking into relaxing water-saving regulations for toilets, sinks and showers, saying consumers end up using even more water by flushing multiple times and trying to get clean with low water streams.

“People are flushing toilets 10 times, 15 times as opposed to once. They end up using more water,'' Trump said while talking with business owners about what he said are ‘’common sense'' steps to end overregulation. "The EPA is looking at that very strongly at my suggestion.''

Use of low-flush toilets started in the 1990s after President George H.W. Bush signed the Energy Policy Act. The 1992 law said new toilets could use no more than 1.6 gallons of water per flush. The law went into effect in 1994 for residential buildings and 1997 for commercial structures.

Trump said he's also looking at possibly relaxing regulations for sinks and showers.

“You go into a new building, a new house or a new home and they have standards and you don't get water,'' he said. "You can't wash your hands practically there's so little water that comes out of the faucet. And the end result is you leave the faucet on and it takes you so much longer to wash your hands and you end up using the same amount of water.''

Trump said relaxing water-conservation standards might not be practical in some arid regions of the nation, but in many states, there is plenty of water. ‘’It comes down. It's called rain,'' he said.


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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 07 Dec 2019 18:34

You can c from here that the Clinton Nutwerks wants TG to disappear.

They have ppl on that list who have been getting far less than TG's 5%.
The only wimmens here other than Warren is Amy whatzit. The rest of the field looks uniformly bland or crooked. Bloomberg will soon replace Butt-e-gig IMO because he's a near-twin of DT (and not in any opposing sense). Great statement of Policy Alternatives from the Democrat Party, to bring in one rude New York billionaire to contest another.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby darshan » 07 Dec 2019 18:45

UlanBatori wrote:
“People are flushing toilets 10 times, 15 times as opposed to once. They end up using more water,'' Trump said while talking with business owners about what he said are ‘’common sense'' steps to end overregulation. "The EPA is looking at that very strongly at my suggestion.''



Plumbing costs have also gone up due to clogs. Not to mention all chemicals being dumped to unclog.

I wonder if plumbers also like this idea. Means less business for them in long term.

In US, someone pretending to save something's always pretentious. No one wastes more resources than US national. Banning golf courses and lawns would have saved many times more water and waterways from the fertilizer.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 07 Dec 2019 18:57

and "green lawns" everywhere, of more than X square feet. Killer from both global warming and water aspects.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby Mort Walker » 07 Dec 2019 21:10

The flow rate in residential areas is about 2.5 gallons per minute. Many municipalities don't care about what sort of toilet or shower you may have, but have tiered monthly water rates depending on how many 10s of gallons you use. I use to keep a very green lawn during the summers, but about 10 years back decided to simply cut the grass higher by 1.5 inches and water much less to avoid higher water bills. A family of 7 paying $300/month for water gets old fast. Many of these regulations on appliances are meaningless and municipalities will simply charge more if you use more water. Typical fresh water consumption in the US is 100 gallons per person per day. Most of this is used for lawns and agriculture. California's exports of tree nuts, a very lucrative crop, has diverted lots of water for this purpose, but political lobbying has prevented them from feeling the sharp end of the stick. The current use of water and lifestyle in the US in unsustainable.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 07 Dec 2019 21:34

In Ulan Bator just catching rain runoff gives you the 100g/day except that the asphalt tile flow is super toxic. But refilling pakistan and watering lawn are probably fine.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 08 Dec 2019 04:45

What's with the 9/11-deja vu in Florida? I cannot believe it: they are describing the terrorists as "Foreign Students". Allowed on a USAF BASE???? And that too for "Basic Flight Training" (i.e. Landing not included) and Basic Weapons Training as in How to Fire An M-60 Without Blasting One's Own Feet.

Now they are vetting the PROCESS FOR ADMITTING FOREIGN STUDENTS INTO THE US!!! And I note that there is not a single university Dean who has spoken out against the atrocity, pointing out that KSA Military Frontlyin Allies admitted by the CIA and US AF onto secure military bases, are ****NOT**** what is meant by "Foreign Students".

Here is See Enn Enn:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/07/us/pensa ... index.html

shooter having anti-American views
Madeline Holcombe
Dakin Andone byline
By Madeline Holcombe, Dakin Andone, Barbara Starr and David Shortell, CNN
Updated 5:35 PM ET, Sat December 7, 2019
Esper on Pensacola attack: Can't say it's terrorism at this time
:roll:
report citing tweets attributed to Alshamrani, the US-based SITE intelligence group says Alshamrani quoted Osama bin Laden in a "will" posted to Twitter. Additionally, SITE reports that postings show a hatred toward Americans for what he perceived as a pro-Israel stance.


According to a New York Times report, Alshamrani watched mass shooting videos at a dinner party the night before his attack. The newspaper says the information comes from a source briefed on the investigation but not authorized to speak publicly.
{Showing the tight security of Classified Info}

A number of Saudi nationals were detained after the shooting in which eight other people were injured at Naval Air Station Pensacola in Florida, a US official said Saturday. The US official did not provide information about the status of the Saudis who were questioned.
The gunman was a second lieutenant in the Saudi Arabian military involved in flight training at the station, Esper said Friday.
President Donald Trump said it is not known whether one person or a "number of people" were responsible.
"We will get to the bottom" of what happened, he said Saturday.


And now the circus cuts in:
FBI deliberating act of terrorism label :rotfl: {As in "is it?" "ain't it?" "is it?" "ain't it?" "is it?" "ain't it?" "is it?" "ain't it?" "is it?" "ain't it?" :?: }
Federal investigators have not yet made a determination regarding the shooter's motive, a law enforcement source told CNN.
The FBI has not yet deemed the attack an act of terrorism, however, that decision remains the subject of internal deliberations among agents in Florida and at FBI headquarters in Washington, the source said.
The official also adds numerous personnel and resources from the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force, Criminal Division, Evidence Response Team, and FBI agents posted to Saudi Arabia continue to work jointly on the investigation.


Shooter had been at base for two years
The shooter started his training in Pensacola in August 2017 as part of a three-year program. He was taking classes in basic aviation, initial pilot training and English, according to a spokesperson for the assistant to the Secretary of Defense.
Esper said Friday the Defense Department will review measures for screening foreign students.
"I also talked about our team looking at the measures we have in place to ensure proper vetting and screening of foreign students as they come to our country to make sure we understand we have a good handle on who they are and that they've been properly screened," Esper said.


This Esper seems to be a major-league clown.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 08 Dec 2019 04:56

Continued:

Foreign students from "partner nations" have trained at the base to learn naval aviation for years, Commanding Officer of NAS Pensacola Capt. Tim Kinsella told reporters.
"There's always been international students training here because it's a good place to train, it's good quality training," he said. :rotfl: He roughly estimated that there were a couple hundred foreign students at the base.


See why I said the base should be renamed the Mohammed Atta FTEL* Facility

*Flight Training Except Landing
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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby vera_k » 08 Dec 2019 04:56

UlanBatori wrote:What's with the 9/11-deja vu in Florida?


No 9/11 here. The student in question assimilated a bit too well and went native. Sadly, mass shootings are not unusual.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 08 Dec 2019 05:00

Assimilated? Sure, like Mohammed Atta. Fine Americanized accent, designer jeans, RayBan glasses, first-class flight tickets, luxury rental cars. See the part about the video-watching b4 certifying "assimilated". He was here on deputation from KSA's Royal Terrorist Air Fauj. Absolutely 9/11 deja vu, this time blatantly certified by KSA govt to get past the vija aphsar at US Conjulate.

The trouble I see is this:

The DoD is running terrified, because POTUS, WHOTUS, COTUS and SCOTUS as well as the SDOLTUS are all going to be coming down on them very hard. Eph Bee Eye is probably all going on vacation to avoid taking the calls. So their game is to paint the Saudi Terrorist as "foreign Student". IOW,
You ban our sweet deals with KSA, and we will cut off your sweet deals of bringing foreign student fees to universities and tech companies.


There is NOOOOOOOOOO WAAY to explain why the DoD brought SAUDI terrorists into a USAF Base. This is $B tort lawsuit territory against the Jarnails concerned.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 08 Dec 2019 05:07

Think about this: every phoren student F-1 applicant AFAIK is handed a form asking: "Do you know how to fly planes? Operate automatic weapons? Trained in weapons of mass destruction?" Every Appu has to answer those, and if any is YES, it gets bounced to Eph Bee Eye vetting.

So how can MILITARY OFFICERS deputed by the government not be in the same category (needing FBI vetting)? This is government cretinism of the highest order. And of course CNN does not even ask the basic questions above. I looked at the credentials of the journalists credited with the article (other than the idiot Barbara Starr). Both were probably not born in 2001 and get their history from CNN.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby vera_k » 08 Dec 2019 07:13

^ Wikipedia says there has been more than 1 mass shooting every day in the country so far this year. This one just happened to be committed by a foreign student. But no where like 9/11. People are not flying planes into buildings every day, but they are indulging in mass shootings every day.

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Re: Understanding the US - Again

Postby UlanBatori » 08 Dec 2019 07:27

RT.com:

The Saudi gunman who killed three people at a US naval base in Florida on Friday had reportedly held a dinner party days earlier, at which guests watched video footage of mass shootings.
At least ten Saudi military students were being held at Naval Air Station Pensacola and several more were “unaccounted for” after the Friday shooting that left at least three dead and eight injured, an anonymous US official told AP on Saturday.
While the gunman was shot on the spot, the source said that another student videotaped the scene of the shooting on Friday, while another two watched from inside a car. All three are reportedly Saudi nationals, who were in the US to train at the base.
Disturbingly, all three are said to have attended a “dinner party” with the shooter, at which they watched videos of gun violence.
The gunman allegedly posted a manifesto to Twitter shortly before his rampage, accusing the US of waging a “war of attrition” on Muslims around the world, and condemning its drone strikes and secret prisons.

The authorities have been tight-lipped on details about the high-profile shooting and the FBI is probing whether the shooter was part of a larger group. Media reports have identified the gunman as Mohammed Saeed Alshamrani. An unnamed Pentagon official told Fox News that he was a member of the Saudi Air Force, who was scheduled to complete a three-year, Saudi-funded training program in the US.


Florida Senator Rick Scott called the attack – which left three people killed and eight people wounded – an act of terrorism.
“Whether this individual was motivated by radical Islam or was simply mentally unstable, this was an act of terrorism,” he wrote in a statement. Today, I’m calling for a full review of the US military programs to train foreign nationals on American soil. We shouldn't be providing military training to people who wish us harm.


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