Understanding the US - Again

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby UlanBatori » 25 Jan 2018 18:20

[url=Last week, Nunes disclosed that his staff had drafted the memo, which was deemed classified but shared with other House members. It's not clear what the memorandum states or what information is contained within it, but the Justice Department letters suggests the Nunes memorandum ties alleged government surveillance of Trump associates to information first provided by the author of the infamous "dossier" alleging collusion between Trump aides and Russian operatives.]DS pushes back[/url]

"WARNS" Senate Intelligence Committee Chair not to release memo nailing DS.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby UlanBatori » 25 Jan 2018 18:24

50K "deleted" texts is of course very E-Z for all of us to believe. Yeah, WHY would the Biscuits store that much useless stuff, hain? Are they into information-storing or what? :roll:
Or maybe they were totally innocent. I mean, WHO would think that deleting evidence is against the law? Who's gonna come investigate or indict for that? Oh, yeah, the FBI!!!! :?:
But wait, V R the FBI!! :eek:

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Postby UlanBatori » 25 Jan 2018 18:25

Did u c where a doctor is in jail awaiting deportation because, 18 years ago, he had a couple of misdemeanor convictions (parking illegally would be a misdemeanor), and he's been a Green Card holder all these years. Yeah, danger to US society! War Criminal!

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Mort Walker » 25 Jan 2018 20:05

Apparently the polish doctor and other European whites thought trump admin wouldn’t go after them due to whiteness. They’re rattled now that they’ve been treated like non whites. Let’s see if this holds up.

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Postby komal » 25 Jan 2018 20:22

Mort Walker wrote:Apparently the polish doctor and other European whites thought trump admin wouldn’t go after them due to whiteness. They’re rattled now that they’ve been treated like non whites. Let’s see if this holds up.


The crimes involved receiving stolen property and damage to public property. And there is also a charge of operating on a patient while impaired. More serious than traffic/parking violations.

Any Indian doctor would have lost his license and then been deported on just the stolen property charge.

I'm sure Trump will find a way to let the white doctor stay in Michigan.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby UlanBatori » 25 Jan 2018 21:19

Thx. Yesterday they were saying that it was probably parking tickets (because it is a Polish DOCTOR, not a INDIAN doctor) but now it sounds a bit different. OUI (operating under intoxication)?

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Postby Mort Walker » 25 Jan 2018 22:14

There are reports of illegal Irish on the east coast that have been worried. The justi-iss dept. is supposedly going after low hanging fruit for deportation. Any legal resident who had their record expunged for whatever reason is now facing removal like the Polish doctor. It would be interesting to see how many whites have actually been removed in the last year. The decision is in the hands of grand dragon of the KKK Sessions.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Gus » 25 Jan 2018 22:36

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby UlanBatori » 25 Jan 2018 23:26

I don't understand the part about record expunged. What is that?

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby komal » 26 Jan 2018 00:05

UlanBatori wrote:I don't understand the part about record expunged. What is that?


A privilege white people have in the USA. They commit some crime (damaging public property, damaging a hotel room, stealing, even assaulting a policeman). The charge is reduced to a misdemeanor. And the conviction is removed from the public record (the person has no record of a conviction). So the person can obtain a law license, brokerage license, etc. Also, potential employers cannot see the conviction.

Other law enforcement agencies, however, can see the record.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby ramana » 26 Jan 2018 05:05

India West was reporting that an Indian origin Immigration rights activist got deported by ICE as he did not have visa. he was in US for last 20 years.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby komal » 26 Jan 2018 05:43

^^
He was a convicted felon on a green card.

Rule: If are on a green card and plan to commit a crime, get your citizenship first.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Dipanker » 26 Jan 2018 08:07

Trump Ordered Mueller Fired, but Backed Off When White House Counsel Threatened to Quit

WASHINGTON — President Trump ordered the firing last June of Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel overseeing the Russia investigation, according to four people told of the matter, but ultimately backed down after the White House counsel threatened to resign rather than carry out the directive.

The West Wing confrontation marks the first time Mr. Trump is known to have tried to fire the special counsel. Mr. Mueller learned about the episode in recent months as his investigators interviewed current and former senior White House officials in his inquiry into whether the president obstructed justice.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Singha » 26 Jan 2018 19:36

Since ireland, aus and uk do not need visa for tourist travel, there are many illegals as they have support network and do not stick out. I suspect nyc has max number

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Postby pravula » 26 Jan 2018 23:44

Singha wrote:Since ireland, aus and uk do not need visa for tourist travel, there are many illegals as they have support network and do not stick out. I suspect nyc has max number


But why would they? GC lottery is still an option for these countries.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 01 Feb 2018 22:26

Not sure if this thread is the right place to post this stupid stuff, but saw a video from Tucker Carlson and white lady saying, Yoga is racist, because it is practiced mostly by white people and Indians practiced yoga to show their colonial masters that they are superior. The stupid video has stuck to me like a used chewing gum on shoe..

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby ramana » 02 Feb 2018 00:00

She is not a white lady but an Indian immigrant.
The charge Yoga is racist is made by a Michigan State Uty professor since the Yoga ecosystem in US caters to white population.

Its the prof statement. She was explaining that to Tucker Carlson.

And you are right too.
The Prof is an Indian origin woman last name Gandhi.

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Postby UlanBatori » 02 Feb 2018 03:14

Sorry, OT maybe, but RT has a hilariously accurate observation
per NPR, this practice of programmed applause was started in the days of Ronald Reagan: the speech advance copy given to the elephants has "applause" marked at the points where they all have to stand and applaud - some 70 times per initial count. Exact analogy given by RT.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby UlanBatori » 02 Feb 2018 08:13

This Free Biscuit MemoGate is causing deep takleef to SeeEnnEnn types. Wonder what is in it - elephants are claiming that nothing will be redacted from the memo when released.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby ramana » 02 Feb 2018 23:34

UB, Memo has been released in pdf format.

US Today link:

Trump approves release of Memo

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Postby UlanBatori » 03 Feb 2018 00:18

Better download before the courts injunction it. Did u note that it ends abruptly 1/3 of the way through p. 6? Can u imagine a politician committee wasting 2/3 of a page to put in the posturing? So this is the part that "not redacted", hain?

Memo is pretty damning, and few people will remember that it is just an Elephantine f**t, with all those Top Secret classificants stricken out and all. Pretty neat trick. If you want to say something outrageous, say it to yourself, mark it Top Secret and then have it DeClassified. I mean, how many documents does the average person get to read, that used to be Classified Top Secret? Ppl almost shudder and wonder if they will be arrested for even peeking at it. Instant credibility though it may be sheer BS.

Seem like Rosenstein will have time to write his memoirs now. The fellow is one sly snake, hain? He stabbed Comey in the back, and generally stabbed everyone in the back. Now his ass is grass, as they say. The others such as Yates, Lisa Page and Styrzk(?) are long-since out.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby ramana » 03 Feb 2018 01:17

RR sold Comey down the river with that memo as a gambit.
He thought offering Comey as a pawn would end this business and the lurking dossier would do its work eventually.
Instead Comey leaked his papers to his buddy who published them.
Led to calling for special prosecutor Mueller who was Comey's mentor.

Everyone on TV prefaces their statement that rank and file FBI are very patriotic and out to do the right thing.
Now how does one explain McCabe, Strok and whoever else? Are they not rank and file who moved up the chain?
Also recall some years back Bob Woodward revealed who Deep Throat was. It was a FBI deputy director who was not appointed to succeed Hoover. So he revealed all those Nixon taping etc.
And odd thing is not one genius demanded to ask who is this guy on whose evidence they were ready to impeach Nixon?
Same difference the FISA judge/intel committee never asked how the dossier was put together?

So there is precedent in them deep bowls of deep state.

And think of the British guy with a name like Steele right from TV ( *ing Pierce Brosnan)!!!!
How do we know he is not still on their payroll?#

Ian Fleming would love this caper.
# Recall some UK chief claiming his people are the best!

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby komal » 03 Feb 2018 01:46

ramana wrote:RR sold Comey down the river with that memo as a gambit.

Also recall some years back Bob Woodward revealed who Deep Throat was. It was a FBI deputy director who was not appointed to succeed Hoover. So he revealed all those Nixon taping etc.
And odd thing is not one genius demanded to ask who is this guy on whose evidence they were ready to impeach Nixon?
Same difference the FISA judge/intel committee never asked how the dossier was put together?


Facts do matter to some of us:

1) Mark Felt 'outed' himself -- it was not Bob Woodward

2) Alexander Butterfield disclosed the existence of the WH taping system -- not Mark Felt

3) Nixon was caught on tape ordering the CIA to tell the FBI not to investigate Watergate. The tape was the 'smoking gun' -- nothing to do with anything Mark Felt did or said.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby ramana » 03 Feb 2018 03:18

Thanks, Looks like you have some grudges.

My point is that Felt guy was also from FBI.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby UlanBatori » 03 Feb 2018 08:45

Nixon was done in, IMO, by the fact that his language in private sounded like the Mouth-Offrican cricket team caught on stump microphones. That did not play well in American homes of the 1970s. Also because he and his flunkies ERASED some tapes, right? I think people assumed those tapes were also full of 4-letter words.

I never could understand why a nation would impeach its President just because he told the government spy agency to back off an investigation. There was a war killing millions going on at the time (actually the war had just been lost, and that alone called for lynching someone).

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Mort Walker » 04 Feb 2018 03:58

It's interesting that the FBI has now become like the CBI which spends a lot of time on the activities of politicos. It was the FBI that was snooping on then CIA director Gen. Petraeus who had provided his mistress with classified data to write books.

What becomes of investigating real criminal activity? I guess the US will have to start an agency like the NIA within the dept. of Homeland Security.

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Postby Mort Walker » 04 Feb 2018 04:03

UlanBatori wrote:Nixon was done in, IMO, by the fact that his language in private sounded like the Mouth-Offrican cricket team caught on stump microphones. That did not play well in American homes of the 1970s. Also because he and his flunkies ERASED some tapes, right? I think people assumed those tapes were also full of 4-letter words.

I never could understand why a nation would impeach its President just because he told the government spy agency to back off an investigation. There was a war killing millions going on at the time (actually the war had just been lost, and that alone called for lynching someone).


Because of trying to subvert the Democratic party and nothing else. Nixon and Kissinger should have both been held for war crimes against Cambodia and Bangladesh. How many millions died?

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UlanBatori wrote:Nixon was done in, IMO, by the fact that his language in private sounded like the Mouth-Offrican cricket team caught on stump microphones. That did not play well in American homes of the 1970s. Also because he and his flunkies ERASED some tapes, right? I think people assumed those tapes were also full of 4-letter words.

I never could understand why a nation would impeach its President just because he told the government spy agency to back off an investigation. There was a war killing millions going on at the time (actually the war had just been lost, and that alone called for lynching someone).


In the same vein, never could understand folks going after horny bill for knocking off a few friendly pokes during working hours.

after all, didn't we have our share of top dogs doing just that in their respective bhavans??

indeed, as did a lot of other countries too.

it is very natural that the moths gravitate to the flame, no??

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Postby UlanBatori » 05 Feb 2018 01:18

Going by the endless explosion of Revelations and Exposures, there are only 2 kinds of Powerful Politicians: Those hu cant' get it up and the rest. Horny Bill just had very poor Security for his "pizza deliveries", unlike horny john (pbuh).

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby UlanBatori » 06 Feb 2018 08:12

Donkeys to release their own Memo. UBCNews is also considering releasing our own Memo.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Singha » 09 Feb 2018 09:18

ICE continues its crackdown on marginal cases
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/08/midd ... index.html

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Postby Yagnasri » 09 Feb 2018 09:28

Singha wrote:ICE continues its crackdown on marginal cases
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/08/midd ... index.html


As it should be doing. We do not support people coming in and staying in India illegally. That rule shall be applied to everyone and everywhere. Further, this fellow does not see his mother for 20 years and we need to think in a humane manner? No way. Those do not take care of their own mother or at least visit her once in while need not be sympathised.

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Postby Singha » 09 Feb 2018 10:44

I fully agree, just saying millions of such grey areas were being overlooked earlier while legal visa and gc aspirants sat in limbo in endless queues while these chalak family/marriage types ruled the roost and ate through the granary.

the dreamers are also just that. what a great name for illegal migrants!

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby shyam » 12 Feb 2018 05:15

QAnon
Check this site every day.

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Postby UlanBatori » 12 Feb 2018 08:54

Seems like wackos playing General.

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Postby shyam » 12 Feb 2018 11:25

Somebody is trying to decode them.
Forward to 10 mnts and go past the wikipedia page. Interesting snippet. Not sure if people have seen that before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZUKrohV7Es

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Postby chetak » 12 Feb 2018 11:35

UlanBatori wrote:Did u c where a doctor is in jail awaiting deportation because, 18 years ago, he had a couple of misdemeanor convictions (parking illegally would be a misdemeanor), and he's been a Green Card holder all these years. Yeah, danger to US society! War Criminal!


Aren't doctors there allowed to park illegally, if attending an emergency??

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Postby UlanBatori » 13 Feb 2018 07:45

Apparently he had some more serious violations than parking (c response to my post when the details were released).

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby panduranghari » 17 Feb 2018 14:41

https://eand.co/why-were-underestimatin ... 04d9e55235

Why We’re Underestimating American Collapse

The Strange New Pathologies of the World’s First Rich Failed State

umair haqueJan 25
You might say, having read some of my recent essays, “Umair! Don’t worry! Everything will be fine! It’s not that bad!” I would look at you politely, and then say gently, “To tell you the truth, I don’t think we’re taking collapse nearly seriously enough.”

Why? When we take a hard look at US collapse, we see a number of social pathologies on the rise. Not just any kind. Not even troubling, worrying, and dangerous ones. But strange and bizarre ones. Unique ones. Singular and gruesomely weird ones I’ve never really seen before, and outside of a dystopia written by Dickens and Orwell, nor have you, and neither has history. They suggest that whatever “numbers” we use to represent decline — shrinking real incomes, inequality, and so on —we are in fact grossly underestimating what pundits call the “human toll”, but which sensible human beings like you and I should simply think of as the overwhelming despair, rage, and anxiety of living in a collapsing society.

Let me give you just five examples of what I’ll call the social pathologies of collapse — strange, weird, and gruesome new diseases, not just ones we don’t usually see in healthy societies, but ones that we have never really seen before in any modern society.

America has had 11 school shootings in the last 23 days. That’s one every other day, more or less. That statistic is alarming enough — but it is just a number. Perspective asks us for comparison. So let me put that another way. America has had 11 school shootings in the last 23 days, which is more than anywhere else in the world, even Afghanistan or Iraq. In fact, the phenomenon of regular school shootings appears to be a unique feature of American collapse — it just doesn’t happen in any other country — and that is what I mean by “social pathologies of collapse”: a new, bizarre, terrible disease striking society.

Why are American kids killing each other? Why doesn’t their society care enough to intervene? Well, probably because those kids have given up on life — and their elders have given up on them. Or maybe you’re right — and it’s not that simple. Still, what do the kids who aren’t killing each other do? Well, a lot of them are busy killing themselves.

So there is of course also an “opioid epidemic”. We use that phrase too casually, but it much more troubling than it appears on first glance. Here is what is really curious about it. In many countries in the world — most of Asia and Africa — one can buy all the opioids one wants from any local pharmacy, without a prescription. You might suppose then that opioid abuse as a mass epidemic would be a global phenomenon. Yet we don’t see opioid epidemics anywhere but America — especially not ones so vicious and widespread they shrink life expectancy. So the “opioid epidemic” — mass self-medication with the hardest of hard drugs — is again a social pathology of collapse: unique to American life. It is not quite captured in the numbers, but only through comparison — and when we see it in global perspective, we get a sense of just how singularly troubled American life really is.

Why would people abuse opioids en masse unlike anywhere else in the world? They must be living genuinely traumatic and desperate lives, in which there is little healthcare, so they have to self-medicate the terror away. But what is so desperate about them? Well, consider another example: the “nomadic retirees”. They live in their cars. They go from place to place, season after season, chasing whatever low-wage work they can find — spring, an Amazon warehouse, Christmas, Walmart.

Now, you might say — “well, poor people have always chased seasonal work!” But that is not really the point: absolute powerlessness and complete indignity is. In no other country I can see do retirees who should have been able to save up enough to live on now living in their cars in order to find work just to go on eating before they die — not even in desperately poor ones, where at least families live together, share resources, and care for one another. This is another pathology of collapse that is unique to America — utter powerlessness to live with dignity. Numbers don’t capture it — but comparisons paint a bleak picture.

How did America’s elderly end up cheated of dignity? After all, even desperately poor countries have “informal social support systems” — otherwise known as families and communities. But in America, there is the catastrophic collapse of social bonds. Extreme capitalism has blown apart American society so totally that people cannot even care for one another as much as they do in places like Pakistan and Nigeria. Social bonds, relationships themselves, have become unaffordable luxuries, more so than even in poor countries: this is yet another social pathology unique to American collapse.

Yet those once poor countries are making great strides. Costa Ricans now have higher life expectancy than Americans — because they have public healthcare. American life expectancy is falling, unlike nearly anywhere else in the world, save the UK — because it doesn’t.

And that is my last pathology: it is one of the soul, not one of the limbs, like the others above. American appear to be quite happy simply watching one another die, in all the ways above. They just don’t appear to be too disturbed, moved, or even affected by the four pathologies above: their kids killing each other, their social bonds collapsing, being powerless to live with dignity,or having to numb the pain of it all away.

If these pathologies happened in any other rich country — even in most poor ones — people would be aghast, shocked, and stunned, and certainly moved to make them not happen. But in America, they are, well, not even resigned. They are indifferent, mostly.

So my last pathology is a predatory society. A predatory society doesn’t just mean oligarchs ripping people off financially. In a truer way, it means people nodding and smiling and going about their everyday business as their neighbours, friends, and colleagues die early deaths in shallow graves. The predator in American society isn’t just its super-rich — but an invisible and insatiable force: the normalization of what in the rest of the world would be seen as shameful, historic, generational moral failures, if not crimes, becoming mere mundane everyday affairs not to be too worried by or troubled about.

Perhaps that sounds strong to you. Is it?
Now that I’ve given you a few examples — there are many more — of the social pathologies of collapse, let me share with you the three points that they raise for me.
These social pathologies are something like strange and gruesome new strains of disease infecting the body social. America has always been a pioneer — only today, it is host not just to problems not just rarely seen in healthy societies — it is pioneering novel social pathologies have never been seen in the modern world outside present-day America, period. What does that tell us?
American collapse is much more severe than we suppose it is. We are underestimating its magnitude, not overestimating it. American intellectuals, media, and thought doesn’t put any of its problems in global or historical perspective — but when they are seen that way, America’s problems are revealed to be not just the everyday nuisances of a declining nation, but something more like a body suddenly attacked by unimagined diseases.

Seen accurately. American collapse is a catastrophe of human possibility without modern parallel . And because the mess that America has made of itself, then, is so especially unique, so singular, so perversely special — the treatment will have to be novel, too. The uniqueness of these social pathologies tell us that American collapse is not like a reversion to any mean, or the downswing of a trend. It is something outside the norm. Something beyond the data. Past the statistics. It is like the meteor that hit the dinosaurs: an outlier beyond outliers, an event at the extreme of the extremes. That is why our narratives, frames, and theories cannot really capture it — much less explain it. We need a whole new language — and a new way of seeing — to even begin to make sense of it.
But that is America’s task, not the world’s. The world’s task is this. Should the world follow the American model — extreme capitalism, no public investment, cruelty as a way of life, the perversion of everyday virtue — then these new social pathologies will follow, too. They are new diseases of the body social that have emerged from the diet of junk food — junk media, junk science, junk culture, junk punditry, junk economics, people treating one another and their society like junk — that America has fed upon for too long.




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