Understanding the US- Again

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Gus » 18 Jul 2018 21:06

declaring his Total Faith In The Pronouncements of US Intelligence Services.


sure...along with "It could be other people also. A lot of people out there" :lol: when all US agencies have only pointed to Russia, and indictments from his DoJ are on Russians. And there's a Russian now caught inside the US as well, liaising with the NRA for funding.


So "Russia did nothing that the US didn't/wouldn't/won't do" and "I believe US intel" are completely consistent.


Problem is, he never stops at "I believe US intel".

He adds stuff to the end of that sentence like "both sides", "but putin has tremendously and strongly denied it. I believe that he believes he did not do anything wrong", "it could be anybody" etc :rotfl:

Question relevant here, is what all these entities are planning to do to INDIAN elections


Indian elections are handled by a competent constitutional authority of EC, and a very well designed EVM mechanism, which cannot be messed with. We are actually miles ahead on this compared to massa.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Mort Walker » 18 Jul 2018 21:10

UlanBatori wrote:A bit of historic reference might be helpful here.

Long after the liberation of Bangladesh in 1971, the prevailing narrative in the US "intelligence" and "foreign policy" communities that are now barking so loudly, was that it was all India's fault and Indian aggression.
This is the same as what we see re: Syria/Libya/Iraq/Ukraine/Georgia/Yemen today. Had HiC been elected, the genocide in Syria would have been completed.
Why should I believe them?

20 years from now, the Documents will be DeClassified, and people will make money saying how they were all innocent, it was all the Other Guy/Gal who was crooked.
Elsewhere I note that Madelyn Albright has come out with her best-seller advising how to do US foreign policy. Her own subordinates (who left the SDOTUS in disgust) described her as an Idiot. Now a celebrated expert.
Comey is just ahead of his time, in getting a head start on the best-seller list. A sure indicator that he has the Deep State's full backing.

Trump is basically doing a Galileo act here, now declaring his Total Faith In The Pronouncements of US Intelligence Services. I note that he has not said precisely WHAT the US Intel has told him, since that will remain Classified for the next umpteen years.

So "Russia did nothing that the US didn't/wouldn't/won't do" and "I believe US intel" are completely consistent.

Question relevant here, is what all these entities are planning to do to INDIAN elections - and isn't the Indian media not going to be any less gaping-mouth idiotic than the US media are.


This is correct. It is also the reason why I listed the well known US interference in other countries. HiC as SoS sent NGOs to hunt for mass graves in Gujarat in order to prevent Modi from being re-elected as CM. There is no doubt that both US and western operatives are attempting to undermine 2019 Indian elections. Thankfully India has a well organised election process which on the surface looks chaotic.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby vijayk » 18 Jul 2018 22:52

Interesting note about what is going on here:

1. Our own political parties/MPs collaborated with US/Obama/Bush admins with help of ruling party to deny visa to Modi, to abuse India using USIRC, UN and State Dept.
2. Johan Dayal testified in Congress, USIRC and used US to bash India and then was appointed to National Integration Council. A naxal leader who was free by courts due to pressure from US was appointed to NAC.
3. Our own Pappu went and met Chinese ambassador and tried to hide that information while Dhoklam crisis was going on.
4. Our own politicians went to Pakistan and were suggesting to them to eliminate PM.
5. Even today people like John Dayal and several Ford foundation funded intellectuals work with US/UK to abuse India and then immediately receive rewards from Govt.
6. I still remember reading in rediff.com an article that asked Clinton to nuke India in 92 to teach a lesson to BJP/Vajpayee for testing nukes.

If anyone says a word against these buggers, NYT/WaPo/State Dept/US Congress will all start nazi India talk are persecuting minorities and dissenters. Last 4 years, these folks call Modi, Abe as nationalists as if it is some dirty scum word that needs condemnation by all.

Now the same people sits and spit venom on Putin/Trump and talks of treason. Very amusing!

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Gus » 18 Jul 2018 23:23

you forget to add 'emails', 'server'.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby kit » 18 Jul 2018 23:39

Finally armed drones no not the Avengers but armed Guardian drones have been cleared for export.. not just for india but for all allies

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby nachiket » 19 Jul 2018 00:47

kit wrote:Finally armed drones no not the Avengers but armed Guardian drones have been cleared for export.. not just for india but for all allies

Can you link the report? India is not a US ally. So clearing it for allies does not automatically mean cleared for India. However it does follow that they are cleared for pakis since they are MNNA.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby kit » 19 Jul 2018 04:36

nachiket wrote:
kit wrote:Finally armed drones no not the Avengers but armed Guardian drones have been cleared for export.. not just for india but for all allies

Can you link the report? India is not a US ally. So clearing it for allies does not automatically mean cleared for India. However it does follow that they are cleared for pakis since they are MNNA.


https://www.telegraphindia.com/india/us-armed-drone-offer-246033

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/us-offers-india-armed-version-of-guardian-drone-sources/articleshow/65043647.cms

In April, President Donald Trump's administration rolled out a long-awaited overhaul of US arms export policy aimed at expanding sales to allies,

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby A_Gupta » 19 Jul 2018 08:32

Former CIA Station Chief calls for Mass Murder of Democrats
A republican citizenry’s greatest, last-resort duty is to kill those seeking to impose tyranny

As this week's end, it seems likely that it is quite near time for killing those involved in the multiple and clearly delineated attempts to stage a coup d'état against the legitimately elected Trump government.
...
Finally, this week saw a significant and quickening advance toward the moment when those millions of well-armed citizens who voted for Trump, and who have been abused or wounded by Democrats, their Antifa-thugs, and their thug-civil servants for exercising their franchise to elect Trump, cannot be, in good conscience, patient for much longer.
...
The sheer, nay, utter joy and satisfaction to be derived from beholding great piles of dead U.S.-citizen tyrants is not one that will be missed if Trump does not soon do the necessary to save the republic.


via: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/7 ... -Democrats

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Lalmohan » 19 Jul 2018 13:29

to paraphrase the mails on election meddling - the Russians have done to the Americans what the Americans do to others. that is not new... Cambridge analytica et al, have been involved in result steering/fixing in a number of countries and the story goes back much further in time. the issue is whether or not the American state can survive this interference/hostile act or the clear divisions within the American nation will reduce its overall stature and power?

the use of the NRA to buy into the republican party is clever, very clever. most of the republicans are financially beholden to the NRA, and are now between a rock and a hard place. every school shooting, every mall shooting, just increases the instability

asymmetric warfare - welcome to the new world

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby UlanBatori » 19 Jul 2018 14:31

This seems to be heading for a classic clash between the Deep State vs. The Few with the vast majority of America being 404. Most fiction thrillers on the US bookstore racks have the Russian Patriot Herrow and his tiny gang of Patriots, facing the vast KGB/Poliburo Member/Akademician/Apparatchik combo, with intrepid US herrow under direct guidance of POTUS with EphBeeEye/SeeAiyeh in full support.

Now switch roles. Popcorn time.
What I want to know is where are the secret tapes about the conspiracy for genocide in Syria, Libya and Yemen and the snafus in Georgia, Ukraine

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Philip » 19 Jul 2018 18:46

The incredible about turns in Trump's statements and the babu civil war ongoing in the US means bad times for the rest of the world,as well as us.
In such a scenario,there are no constants,only shifting sands every day.Therefore India should bat on regardless with Iran,Russia ,etc.,cement our own strategic interests with these and other nations,and let the US establishment chew themselves up.Should they try and impose sanctions upon India,we should return the compliment with our own sanctions that hurt,not some soft slaps on the wrist. There is a real war going on in the US,akin to the Hunger Games.Trump will have to fight to the finish."Hell hath no fury like a woman (Hillary) scorned...."!

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby UlanBatori » 19 Jul 2018 20:19

shhh!!! :eek:

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Gus » 19 Jul 2018 21:08

hilary is president not only fox, but in brf too it seems

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby UlanBatori » 19 Jul 2018 22:06

***** says he'll have another meeting with #####, again calls media 'enemy of the people' :mrgreen:

to "begin implementing" issues they discussed during their summit earlier this week. *****, who touched off a major political controversy with his embrace of ##### in Helsinki, Finland, accused the news media -- which he again dubbed the "enemy of the people" -- of distorting the summit and pining for a confrontation between the US and Russia.
"The Summit with Russia was a great success, except with the real enemy of the people, the Fake News Media," ***** said. "I look forward to our second meeting so that we can start implementing some of the many things discussed, including stopping terrorism, security for Israel, nuclear proliferation, cyber attacks, trade, Ukraine, Middle East peace, North Korea and more."

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

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https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... mp/565604/
"The Worst Security Risk in U.S. History

No one knows what President Trump told Vladimir Putin in Helsinki—or why even his own national-security adviser was excluded from the room."

The last episode of Trump’s personal diplomacy provides a disquieting precedent. Trump emerged from his meeting with North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un convinced he had gained dramatic new concessions. He tweeted triumphantly on June 13: “Just landed - a long trip, but everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office. There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea. Meeting with Kim Jong Un was an interesting and very positive experience. North Korea has great potential for the future!”

In fact, the North Koreans conceded nothing on the nuclear issue. Trump boastfully contrasted his Korean breakthrough with the Obama approach. “President Obama said that North Korea was our biggest and most dangerous problem. No longer - sleep well tonight!” A month later, Trump has reverted exactly to the Obama policy of strategic patience and de-facto acquiescence to Korean nuclearization.

The whole thing was a con from the start, and even now it remains unclear whether Trump was in on the con—or was its dupe.

Is history repeating itself? Trump is advertising his meeting with Putin as his next triumph. The only alternative to supporting Trump is nuclear war with Russia, the president insists, as do his henchpeople, on the government payroll and off. But what happened?

Nobody knows. This ignorance most probably explains Sarah Huckabee Sanders’s astonishing comment when asked whether Trump was open to sending U.S. persons, including former Ambassador Michael McFaul, to Russia to be interrogated by Russian authorities.

“The president’s gonna meet with his team, and we’ll let you know when we have an answer on that.” Then, after a follow-up: “There was some conversation about it, but there wasn’t a commitment made on behalf of the United States.”

That’s the sound of someone playing for time. She understands how explosive it would be to confirm the story—and she has not given up hope that it may not be true. Yet she dare not outright deny it either. Who knows what the president might have said—and whether the Russians have a recording of his words?
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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Mort Walker » 20 Jul 2018 02:22

A_Gupta wrote:Former CIA Station Chief calls for Mass Murder of Democrats
A republican citizenry’s greatest, last-resort duty is to kill those seeking to impose tyranny

As this week's end, it seems likely that it is quite near time for killing those involved in the multiple and clearly delineated attempts to stage a coup d'état against the legitimately elected Trump government.
...
Finally, this week saw a significant and quickening advance toward the moment when those millions of well-armed citizens who voted for Trump, and who have been abused or wounded by Democrats, their Antifa-thugs, and their thug-civil servants for exercising their franchise to elect Trump, cannot be, in good conscience, patient for much longer.
...
The sheer, nay, utter joy and satisfaction to be derived from beholding great piles of dead U.S.-citizen tyrants is not one that will be missed if Trump does not soon do the necessary to save the republic.


via: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/7 ... -Democrats


The Daily Kook has no credibility and falls into the fake news category. Much like Breitbart and NewsMax on the right.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

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Mort Walker wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:Former CIA Station Chief calls for Mass Murder of Democrats


via: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/7 ... -Democrats


The Daily Kook has no credibility and falls into the fake news category. Much like Breitbart and NewsMax on the right.


There are sufficient links included there for you to judge whether this is fake news or not. Here's a link to the blog:
http://non-intervention.com/3238/a-repu ... e-tyranny/

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Mort Walker » 20 Jul 2018 02:27

A_Gupta wrote:https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/07/putin-trump/565604/
"The Worst Security Risk in U.S. History

No one knows what President Trump told Vladimir Putin in Helsinki—or why even his own national-security adviser was excluded from the room."


It doesn’t matter as DT is not king as much as he would like to be. Any treaty must be passed by the Senate. The best thing here is that DT has upset the establishment of both political parties.

Conservatives don’t care what DT says or does. They simply want another Supreme court justice when Ruth Bader Ginsburg leaves as she’s near 85 AND more tax cuts. After that they’ll take the knives out on DT.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Mort Walker » 20 Jul 2018 02:28

A_Gupta wrote:
Mort Walker wrote:
The Daily Kook has no credibility and falls into the fake news category. Much like Breitbart and NewsMax on the right.


There are sufficient links included there for you to judge whether this is fake news or not. Here's a link to the blog:
http://non-intervention.com/3238/a-repu ... e-tyranny/


There’s accuracy in Breitbart and Stormfront too, but they all lack credibility. Not worth reading what some nut is saying.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby A_Gupta » 20 Jul 2018 02:34

Mort Walker wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:
There are sufficient links included there for you to judge whether this is fake news or not. Here's a link to the blog:
http://non-intervention.com/3238/a-repu ... e-tyranny/


There’s accuracy in Breitbart and Stormfront too, but they all lack credibility. Not worth reading what some nut is saying.


The blog website (non-intervention.com) has been taken down, but it belonged to Michael Scheuer, as you can easily verify.
Michael Scheuer is the author of books:
Through Our Enemies' Eyes: Osama bin Laden, Radical Islam, and the Future of America June 2002
Marching Toward Hell: America and Islam After Iraq Feb 2008
Imperial Hubris: Why the West Is Losing the War on Terror June 2004
Osama Bin Laden Feb 2011

Most of the books have reviews in major newspapers like the NY Times, Financial Times, The Independent, etc., etc.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby saip » 20 Jul 2018 05:21

Did DT give up part of Ukraine to Russia? Bloomberg news seems to say so (as reported by CNN and so no link). If this is true and the future PM of Pakistan -- Immy the Dimmy- kisses DT's boots we can say good bye to Kashmir.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Mort Walker » 20 Jul 2018 05:41

saip wrote:Did DT give up part of Ukraine to Russia? Bloomberg news seems to say so (as reported by CNN and so no link). If this is true and the future PM of Pakistan -- Immy the Dimmy- kisses DT's boots we can say good bye to Kashmir.


More dhoti shivering?

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Gus » 20 Jul 2018 06:43

saip wrote:Did DT give up part of Ukraine to Russia? .


well...Russia already has Crimea. Sanctions are not going to make Russia give it up. Nobody is going to war with Russia over Crimea.

the SD hilary atlanticist etc gang overplayed their hand by expanding nato to eastern bloc. That had no benefits to US other than 'haha' at putin. Bound by mutual defence, who in the US wants to go to war for estonia, latvia, lithuania, slovenia etc?

and now putin has his stooge as US prez, and is dismantling nato.

see how montenegro - the last member to join, is being mentioned by trump as "aggressive people, WWIII" :lol: if that's not putin's voice...what is

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby UlanBatori » 20 Jul 2018 07:44

WTF should the POTUS say what was discussed in a closed-door meeting with the ToR (Tsar of Russia)? The purpose of a closed-door meeting without aides is to have a private discussion and gain a good understanding and agreement. "In confidence".

The Aircraft Carrier Groups and nuke subs are there to enforce what was "understood" in confidence.

The Clamor Gang holds the view that US-Russia collaboration on items of mutual interest, is fundamentally traitorous. The Far Left and the Far Right are in agreement on this. McCarthy today would be seen as a Libtard - BY today's Democrats.

All in all, fun times. The logical consequence of replacing brains and thought with boob-tube and mutt-phones has come around.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Amber G. » 20 Jul 2018 08:07

Rep Adam Schiff and Swalwell just made a motion in House Intel Committee to subpoena the American interpreter during the summit — the only witness to Trump’s meeting with Putin. This is an extraordinary remedy, but Trump’s actions necessitate it.…And I dare say (some legal minds think it will be likely ) .. in a few months I think they will have subpoena power..

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Amber G. » 20 Jul 2018 08:19

Meanwhile a big diss to the conman:

JUST IN: In unanimous 98-0 vote, Senate passes non-binding resolution expressing opposition to allowing Russia to interview current and former U.S. officials.

Seems a pretty decisive condemnation on Putin’s proposed quid pro quo of handing Browder & co (+ 11 US officials who assisted on the Magnitsky Act to Putin..DT called it a "incredible offer" from Trump and everyone, even his die-hard supporters are disgusted with it...
(BTW, Putin said later that he misspoke .. it was not 400 million dollars (stolen from Putin and illegally given to Hilary's campaign) but 400 thousands .. of course per Browder the amount was zero.-- one can't even make such things up.. Trump & Putin was ready to do = =)

So Bnow news from White House: "The White House has issued a statement saying President Trump "disagrees" with Russian President Vladimir Putin's proposal to interrogate former U.S. officials in exchange for access to indicted Russians.""

Only Monday, Conman Trump called it "an incredible offer.".. Wow.

****

For those who do not know, Putin offered to cooperated with US investigation (allowing Mueller to question 12 Russian operatives, as long as Mueller shares all the details with Russia) if they hand over his "wanted men".. and Trump thought it was incredible win..

(Reminds me of Pak's offer after Uri.)

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby saip » 20 Jul 2018 08:29

Not Crimea (Trump said they speak Russian and so it should be part of Russia) but other parts of Ukraine. Putin wants to hold referendum to decide whether these parts want to join Russia. Info is leaking only from Putin but not from Whitehouse.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby UlanBatori » 20 Jul 2018 08:36

The Balaclava Boyz in Crimea speak Russian, which is what matters. :mrgreen: Same with eastern "Ukraine" aka Donbass. Basically, UkBapZis seem to be confined to west bank of Dnieper? Meaning Mariupol and Melitopol are going to be speaking Russian soon as well.

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Postby A_Gupta » 20 Jul 2018 16:41

Assuming what's written here is truthful, :eek: :eek: :eek:
“No Way to Run a Superpower”: The Trump-Putin Summit and the Death of American Foreign Policy
https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-f ... ign-policy

Unlike Putin, Trump did not brief his own diplomats on the Helsinki meeting. The American Secretary of State, national-security adviser, and Ambassador to Moscow, who attended the lunch after Trump and Putin’s private session, have been publicly silent on the substance of the meetings, leaving it to the Russians, for now, to make claims about what was actually said and done behind closed doors between the two Presidents. Even as Putin was publicly talking of “agreements” in Moscow on Thursday, the U.S. Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, gave a radio interview to the conservative talk-show host Hugh Hewitt. The bulk of their conversation concerned a meeting that Pompeo is hosting next week to promote “religious freedom” internationally. The Secretary of State was neither asked about nor chose to elaborate on what happened in Helsinki, and the only question about Russia concerned whether Pompeo had been alerted, before the Helsinki summit, to the Justice Department indictments of a dozen Russian military-intelligence officers in connection with the 2016 Russian hacking on Trump’s behalf. “I can’t talk about that, Hugh,” Pompeo said.

The information provided to America’s top diplomats, those whose job it is to deal with Russia, was just as sparse and potentially incomplete. The Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and Russia, Wess Mitchell, on Tuesday briefed the State Department group that has been pulled together to discuss Russia policy before and after the summit. There was no mention of any agreements. “There is no word on agreements,” a senior U.S. official told me. “There is no information on the U.S. side about any agreements.” So was Putin lying? Was Trump? Was it possible there was a misunderstanding, and that Trump thinks he made no commitments and Putin thinks he did? “It is terribly disturbing,” the senior official said. “The point is that we don’t know.”

A U.S. Ambassador in Europe, who has extensive experience dealing with Russia, told me that he and other State Department officials who would need to know have received no post-summit briefings, or even talking points about what happened, both of which would be standard practice after such an important encounter. “Nothing,” he told me. “We are completely in the dark. Completely.”

At the same time, the fragmentary evidence that has emerged, from the Russian comments and Trump’s various interviews, suggests there is reason for serious concern. In an interview on Fox, Trump questioned America’s commitment to the NATO alliance’s Article 5 mutual-defense provision, disparaging the new NATO member Montenegro as an “aggressive” little country that just might provoke us into “World War Three.” The criticism seemed to parrot Putin’s thinking on NATO and Montenegro—where Russia mounted an unsuccessful coup attempt last year in an effort to block the country’s NATO accession. The exchange left viewers justifiably wondering if this was part of the agenda in the private Trump-Putin talks. Trump has also, in his tweets and other interviews, alluded to substantive discussions with Putin on issues such as Syria, where Trump is already on record as saying he wants to withdraw U.S. troops. If Trump, in fact, struck a secret deal with Putin in Helsinki to pull back U.S. troops from Syria, or otherwise limit the American presence, that would prove deeply controversial among many in his own party.

While Trump’s comments gave cause for concern, another public uproar emerged over Trump’s suggestion that he was taking seriously Putin’s demand to interrogate the former U.S. Ambassador to Russia, Michael McFaul, and a number of congressional staffers. McFaul and the staffers were involved in imposing sanctions on corrupt Russian officials after successful lobbying by the U.S.-born businessman Bill Browder, who has emerged as one of Putin’s chief international foes. Was the handing over of a former American Ambassador to Moscow and congressional staffers to Russian officials also discussed—or even agreed to by Trump—in the private session? The White House said it was “considering” Putin’s proposal, while the State Department called demands on McFaul and others “absurd” and a non-starter. Finally, on Thursday afternoon, the White House said Trump “disagrees” with the proposal, which, it nonetheless insisted, had been made by Putin “in sincerity.”

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby UlanBatori » 20 Jul 2018 17:46

Understandable consternation in DupleeCity. UBCNews OTOTH, has up2daMinute info on what transpired behind closed doors. We were there, of course.

How ya doing, Vladimir?
Лучше, чем вы, Дональд Трумпвич

You read the stuff they're saying about you interfering in US election (thanks, BTW..)? :rotfl:
Да, Дональд, это так, как ты говоришь, Веселый! :rotfl:

Why don't you visit us in Mar Largo, Vladimir?
Да, но не в сезон ураганов!

Thanks! This Summit is already a success, we agree on two things!
Да, я объявлю, что саммит был успехом.

The nudist beaches in Finland are not nearly as much fun as my Miss Universe Contests!
Да, хорошо, что мы выгнали лакеев и могли общаться в реальном Man-2-Man!


So u c, there is 400% truth in the declaration that both were sincere, had a frank exchange and came away in total agreement.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Mort Walker » 20 Jul 2018 19:42

The New Yorker magazine is now also lacking credibility by publishing a disparaging picture on its cover.

The media in the US is over reacting and was already primed to hammer DT even before his Europe trip. The net result will be pushing the 5-7% of the electorate in the center to vote for DT come 2020.

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Postby Mort Walker » 20 Jul 2018 19:45

Amber G. wrote:Meanwhile a big diss to the conman:

JUST IN: In unanimous 98-0 vote, Senate passes non-binding resolution expressing opposition to allowing Russia to interview current and former U.S. officials.

Seems a pretty decisive condemnation on Putin’s proposed quid pro quo of handing Browder & co (+ 11 US officials who assisted on the Magnitsky Act to Putin..DT called it a "incredible offer" from Trump and everyone, even his die-hard supporters are disgusted with it...
(BTW, Putin said later that he misspoke .. it was not 400 million dollars (stolen from Putin and illegally given to Hilary's campaign) but 400 thousands .. of course per Browder the amount was zero.-- one can't even make such things up.. Trump & Putin was ready to do = =)

So Bnow news from White House: "The White House has issued a statement saying President Trump "disagrees" with Russian President Vladimir Putin's proposal to interrogate former U.S. officials in exchange for access to indicted Russians.""

Only Monday, Conman Trump called it "an incredible offer.".. Wow.

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For those who do not know, Putin offered to cooperated with US investigation (allowing Mueller to question 12 Russian operatives, as long as Mueller shares all the details with Russia) if they hand over his "wanted men".. and Trump thought it was incredible win..

(Reminds me of Pak's offer after Uri.)


Now what happens? When India needs CAATSA waiver, US politicians have put themselves in a corner.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby UlanBatori » 20 Jul 2018 19:53

In the MidEast, they are not going to biss on the Rooskies again. Gen. Smirnoff and his merry couriers have delivered enough presents to ensure that. Note that noise from KSA and UAE about Quatar has subsided. Not surprising that a Houthi UAV found the range and accuracy to cause an "accidental fire" at a Riyadh refinery...

In FSU Oirope, thay are also not going to biss on the Russkies based on promises from the HiC-SD types. Experience of Georgia and Ukraine are most instructive. I don't know what will happen to Poland, they may consider themselves secure, but surely they are also heading for the Lessons List. So are Moldavia, Monte**ro, Lithuania going to learn better diplomacy. Croatia is full of themselves after beating the Russians in the WC, and one guy gloated with "This is 4 UkBapZis" etc, but punishment was swift for that. Overall, Dunia came away with the feeling that Putin put on a class act at the WC2018.

The Deep State is raging at all this and the 404 crowd are serving as EBs for the Deep State. Given the 100s of pages of posts on the Syrian Genocide, it is astonishing that we have ppl who STILL believe the HiC-Houma narrative on the Middle East, Europe and NoKo - and are still hoping that the NoKo situation has returned to the yadayada of 'Bama days. Reminds one of the old saying:
No one ever went broke through underestimating (never mind).

So now we get to these Sanctions goondagiri. I think India demonstrated the right approach in 1998 with the launch of the $4B SBI Bond float. Waiver or no waiver, S-400 will be brought in, IMO, and Eyeran trade will go on. Right now, India is the trusted go-between for Salman and Nut&Yahoo. I don't think India's trade with Eyeran will bother them.

What I don't understand (maybe I do) is the silence of the US Armed Forces ppl who have been stationed in the MidEast, esp. Iraq and Syria and seen the treachery and genocidal cruelty-for-profit first-hand. The DeClassified Documents (or Wikileaks/ Pentagon Papers) of 20 years from now will be very revealing indeed.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Amber G. » 20 Jul 2018 20:41

In the midst of incredible noise, trolling, silly ugly countless posts about HiC/servers/emails, dropping stale pearls of wisdom in nauseating pinglish... here goes an article which may be of interest to some who are not familiar with Magnitsky act and who may want to know why Trump's "offer" (of throwing away former US ambassador McFall along with Browder under the bus) outraged even his closest advisers. (who really want to understand US - of course I also encourage them to read more for background in addition to brf posts only.).

The senate vote was 98-0 yesterday. DT's own staff said on record that they were unaware of the "incredible offer" till it came out in the press conference.

Anyway, I think it is a short useful article, if you did not know the background.


I'm Bill Browder. Here's the Biggest Mistake Putin Made When Trying to Get Access to Me Through Trump
I wasn’t watching the Donald Trump–Vladimir Putin press conference from Helsinki. But when my phone started burning up with messages, I knew something was going on. I quickly discovered that Putin had mentioned me by name. No journalist had asked about me. He just brought me up out of the blue.

Putin offered to allow American investigators to interview the 12 Russian intelligence agents just indicted by Special Counsel Robert Mueller in exchange for allowing Russians to have access to me and those close to me. This is no idle threat. For the last ten years, I’ve been trying to avoid getting killed by Putin’s regime, and there already exists a trail of dead bodies connected to its desire to see me dead. Amazingly, Trump stood next to him, appearing to nod approvingly. He even later said that he considered it “an incredible offer.”

I’m lodged so firmly under Putin’s skin because I’m the person responsible for getting the Magnitsky Act passed in the United States in 2012. This is a law that allows the U.S. government to freeze assets and ban visas of human-rights violators around the world. Some of these human-rights violators had killed Sergei Magnitsky, my Russian lawyer who was murdered in a Moscow jail for uncovering a massive $230 million government-corruption scheme that we’ve since traced to known Putin cronies. In essence, Putin received some of the proceeds of this crime, and he is terrified that the Magnitsky Act could be applied to his offshore fortune, which is probably one of the largest amassed in modern times.

The Helsinki summit is not the first time my name has come up at a Putin press conference. Back in 2006 at the G-8 Conference in St. Petersburg, a young reporter for the Moscow Times asked why I’d been denied an entry visa to Russia and declared a threat to national security, all with no explanation. She pointed out that I was the biggest foreign investor in the Russian stock market, and that the prime minister of the United Kingdom had asked Putin about my situation earlier that day.

Putin frowned. “To be honest, I don’t know why this particular person has been refused entry to Russia. I can imagine that this person has broken the laws of our country, and if others do the same we’ll refuse them entry, too.”

“This person.” Putin almost never utters the names of his enemies — except for mine, which he lately seems to utter at every opportunity. To my mind, this can only mean that he is seriously rattled.

Since 2012, Putin has made it perhaps his largest foreign policy priority to have the Magnitsky Act repealed. But none of his efforts have worked. Not only has it not been repealed, it’s spread to six additional countries, including the United Kingdom, Canada, the Baltic states and Gibraltar. There are eight other countries with Magnitsky Acts on deck: Sweden, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Denmark, Australia, South Africa and Ukraine. The Magnitsky Act is going viral, and countries that have Magnitsky Acts are sanctioning Putin’s cronies, who I imagine soon will be sanctioned by other countries as well.

In addition, the Global Magnitsky Justice Campaign has investigated and found the $230 million that Sergei Magnitsky exposed and was killed over. There are now a number of live law-enforcement investigations around the world determining just who benefited from this crime. These have resulted in tens of millions of dollars of frozen assets. Furthermore, these investigations don’t only put at risk the beneficiaries of this crime, but the benificiaries of many other similar crimes. These people are ready to kill to keep their money. Losing it would be devastating.

Putin’s latest allegation that I donated $400 million to Hillary Clinton is so ludicrous and untrue that it falls into delusion. {but this will be a good taking point for trollers} I’ve never made a political donation to Hillary Clinton or any other political candidate. It’s in the same category as other Russian government allegations against me: they accused me of being a serial killer; they accused me of being a CIA/MI6 agent determined to destroy the Russian government; and they accused me of somehow stealing $4.8 billion of IMF money back in the 1990s that was destined for the Russian Treasury. These guys have seriously lost their cool and are beginning to make mistakes.

The biggest mistake that Putin made in his offer today to effectively swap me for the 12 Russian agents is that he went to the wrong head of state. Although I was born in America, I emigrated to the United Kingdom 29 years ago and am a British citizen. If he really wants me, he better go talk to Theresa May, who might have a few choice words for him after Russian agents spread the military-grade nerve agent Novichok across the cathedral town of Salisbury, England.



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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Amber G. » 20 Jul 2018 21:11

Perry Mason Moment:
""YES I DID! YES I DID" Putin Admits Directing Officials to Help Trump Become US President.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Gus » 20 Jul 2018 22:20

I don't think he said Yes for both the questions. It looks like that, but its possible he was responding to first question, without realizing second question, or realizing it too late.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby UlanBatori » 20 Jul 2018 22:22

Then Putin deserves the Congressional Medal of Honor for saving America from the HiC-DeepState. Note that in all the caterwauling and shrill hate-throwing, there is still absolutely no evidence that there was any miscounting of votes, or mis-voting. All the Recount! clamors led to complete discrediting of the complainers.

In other words, the claim is that Putin "interfered" by revealing the truth about the Use of Personal Email Servers for Official State Dept. Business, and Violation of Basic Rules For Handling Classified Information: both jailable offences. And the fraud and conspiracy by the Head of the Democrat Party. And the Islamic/ISIS connections/sympathies of the Asst Secretary of State who had all the credentials of a nanny.

Thanks, Mr. Putin, for educating American voters about the nature of one of the candidates, just in time. Millions of Syrians and Iraqis are alive today because of that.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Amber G. » 20 Jul 2018 23:36

Gus wrote:I don't think he said Yes for both the questions. It looks like that, but its possible he was responding to first question, without realizing second question, or realizing it too late.

I am pretty sure he did.. listen to the whole (not my 20 second clip) and there I think is no doubt. This has been picked up by many others too.

Also - DNI is on record (and confirmed by a few reputable sources) that DT was briefed before hand that of the evidence that Putin - personally - was directly involved in ordering--- one can not even make such things up...

Also just check out many items such as: Watch Trump's Own Spy Chief React to News Putin May Visit the U.S.

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This is why people like Ex CIA chief Brennan, and even prominent republicans are our raged.
I agree with Brennan.
Donald Trump’s press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of ‘high crimes & misdemeanors,'
It was nothing short of treasonous. Not only were Trump’s comments imbecilic, he is wholly in the pocket of Putin. Republican Patriots: Where are you???”


*** For energetic posters in brf - point it out that Ex CIA chief is "total low life" per POTUS tweet.

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Gus » 21 Jul 2018 01:08

i am not disputing putin did it, or trump knew it etc.

putin has so far never accepted interference. before helsinki, or in helsinki as well - except the 'yes i did' clip you posted. - which points to possibility that he was answering yes twice, but to first question. really doubt that putin would mouth off like that...he is not trump. :P

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Re: Understanding the US- Again

Postby Mort Walker » 21 Jul 2018 01:24

Putin will visit before the elections in November. If anything DT was and is an east coast racist. Russia is a white nationalist country where other races do not go for studies, business or migration. Gone is the USSR. DT needs Putin to give a message to his base. That is yes, I support the only large white nationalist country in the world, so come out and support my party and me. It will get the closet racists all out to the polls. The Democratic Party will gain little this November.

As long as DT can permanently damage the credibility of the deep state, it will be good for the rest of the world in the long term.


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