Army kills 7 Pakistani soldiers, injures 4 along LoC in 'retaliatory action'.
Also kills six Poki soldiers in JEM get up. For non existent H&D, Porkis admit to only 4 of its soldiers getting killed.
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The way I read this news was that the chinis were "hired" by a local gang. They were not independently operating in k'rachi. Anyway, the nexus between paki and han criminals is now evolving. Hail SeePack!abhijitm wrote:ATM robbery is a full time, professional business in Pakistan, especially in Karachi. Many families are depend on this.This Chinese stealing local business might not have gone well within the local community. Some local businessman must have tipped off the police.anupmisra wrote:Love fest continues. Hans show how much (in pkr).
4 Chinese nationals arrested in another ATM skimming incident in Karachi
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CHINESE NAMAK HARAAM!
Chinese salt causing headache, heart disease banned in Punjab
The authorities in Punjab have banned the sale and use of Chinese salt (Ajinomoto) across the province, Express News reported on Monday.
According to the scientific panel of Punjab Food Authority (PFA), the salt contained Monosodium glutamate which is a harmful chemical and known to cause health problems like headache, heart disease and other mental and physical illnesses.
The chemical also contributed to problems related to blood pressure and hyper-tension. It is also harmful for pregnant women, according to PFA.
The food regulator asked restaurant owners and frozen food manufacturers to immediately stop the use of Ajinomoto in their food and products while giving them a deadline of March 31 to implement the order.
Added Later : This is Terroristan Indeed - As the Whole Wide World knows it means 1. Kabushiki-gaisha 2. "Essence of taste"
However, the Terroristanis insist on calling it "Chinese Salt" - So mote It Be!
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Chinese salt causing headache, heart disease banned in Punjab
The authorities in Punjab have banned the sale and use of Chinese salt (Ajinomoto) across the province, Express News reported on Monday.
According to the scientific panel of Punjab Food Authority (PFA), the salt contained Monosodium glutamate which is a harmful chemical and known to cause health problems like headache, heart disease and other mental and physical illnesses.
The chemical also contributed to problems related to blood pressure and hyper-tension. It is also harmful for pregnant women, according to PFA.
The food regulator asked restaurant owners and frozen food manufacturers to immediately stop the use of Ajinomoto in their food and products while giving them a deadline of March 31 to implement the order.
Added Later : This is Terroristan Indeed - As the Whole Wide World knows it means 1. Kabushiki-gaisha 2. "Essence of taste"
However, the Terroristanis insist on calling it "Chinese Salt" - So mote It Be!
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Five security personnel meet 72 Virgins & 36 Boys in Turbat gun attack
CheersQUETTA: Five troops of paramilitary Frontier Corps (FC) weremartyredmeet 72 Virgins & 36 Boys and six others sustained injuries when their vehicles were ambushed in Shapok area in Balochistan’s Kech district on Monday evening.
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Baloch Liberation attacks on TSPA 2018
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Dry milk samples found tainted with high levels of lead
Samples of unbranded powdered milk recently analysed by a Karachi University (KU) team have been found to be contaminated with high concentration of lead.
The analysis showed that lead concentration ranged from 0.58ppm to 4.52ppm with mean concentration of 2.412ppm; the maximum allowable limits set by the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) and World Health Organization (WHO) for lead in food products is 0.1ppm.
In the samples collected, concentration of chromium and iron ranged from 0.023ppm to 0.65ppm (mean value 0.184ppm) and 0.58ppm to 4.12ppm (mean concentration 1.959ppm) respectively. Cadmium was present only in six samples with mean concentration of 0.007ppm while arsenic was found only in four samples with average concentration of 0.003ppm. The concentration of nickel was below detectable limits in all samples.According to FAO and WHO, maximum allowable limit in food products for nickel is 0.2ppm, 0.1ppm for arsenic, and 2ppm-5ppm for iron. There are no guidelines available for chromium in food.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1382941/dry-m ... ls-of-leadIt was also possible that the dry milk was prepared in unhygienic environment or prepared with chemicals
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These grapes are sour, saar!
US and its defence equipment not reliable: defence production minister
https://www.geo.tv/latest/176825-us-defence
US and its defence equipment not reliable: defence production minister
Minister for Defence Production Rana Tanveer Hussain said on Sunday that defence equipment procured from the United States is unreliable.
He claimed further that the defence items purchased from the US do not work in times of need.
"Our defence production is increasing. The army’s 80 per cent needs are being met domestically"
Repeat a lie a thousand times...Pakistan is among 6-7 countries of the world that make their own fighter aircraft.
https://www.geo.tv/latest/176825-us-defence
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On another forum I found this statement:Peregrine wrote:CHINESE NAMAK HARAAM!
Chinese salt causing headache, heart disease banned in Punjab
the Terroristanis insist on calling it "Chinese Salt" - So mote It Be!
"MARDE MOMIN HAS BECOME MARDE CHOWMIN"
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x100sum wrote:^^ I will run with a jhadoo and chappal behind the next guy who says that this govt is the same w.r.t TSP as any of the previous governments ( esp UPA-1 and UPA-2)
This sort of response is what BRF had wanted for so long.
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https://twitter.com/nadeem_nusrat/statu ... 2570610689
This is Washington D.C., the capital of the USA. Taxis are lining up with #FreeKarachi banners to participate in Dr Martin Luther Kind Day parade in the capital
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Top US general says 'not giving up' on Pakistan ties - Reuters
The top US military officer, Marine General Joseph Dunford, said on Monday he was committed to the US-Pakistan relationship, which has been strained in recent weeks as Washington piles pressure on Islamabad to crack down on terrorists.
"Do we agree on everything right now? No we don't. But are we committed to a more effective relationship with Pakistan? We are. And I'm not giving up on that," Dunford, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told a small group of reporters during a trip to Brussels.
In a possible sign of efforts to improve relations, Alice Wells, principal deputy assistant secretary of state for South and Central Asia, met with Pakistani Foreign Secretary Tehmina Janjua in Pakistan on Monday.
A statement from Pakistan's Foreign Ministry said Wells "acknowledged Pakistan's efforts in eradicating terrorism" and "underlined the need for strengthening intelligence cooperation" to fight terrorism.
Dunford was careful in his public remarks but made clear that Votel would continue to lead the military-to-military discussions. Dunford said he and US Defense Secretary Jim Mattis would also contribute to that dialogue.
"I'm not going to talk about the relationship in public because I'm committed to try to improve the relationship and I do believe that the military-to-military dialogue led by General Votel, with occasional reinforcement from Secretary Mattis, myself and others, is the right approach," Dunford said.
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US trying to convince us that India is not a threat, says Pakistan defence minister
ISLAMABAD: The US has been trying to convince Pakistan that India was not a threat to it and Islamabad should change its strategic stance towards New Delhi, defence minister Khurram Dastagir Khan has said.
He also said that it is time for a courteous yet "ruthlessly candid dialogue" with the US "with everything on the table" to remove all misunderstandings between Islamabad and Washington.
Reading out a policy statement on the government's foreign policy contours and the security situation in Pakistan in the National Assembly yesterday, he regretted that the US played down India's aggressive posturing along the Line of Control (LoC) and Working Boundary, the Dawn reported on Tuesday.
The minister said the perception of India was one of the foundational divergences between Pakistan and the US.
"It's time for a courteous yet ruthlessly candid dialogue between Pakistan and the US with everything on the table," the defence minister said.
Khan said that Washington had been trying to convince Pakistan that India was not a threat and, therefore, Islamabad should change its strategic stance.
"But the truism remains true. Both India's capacity and intents are today hostile towards Pakistan," he alleged.
Pakistan accuses India of using Afghan soil for carrying out hostile activities against it, a charge India has dismissed.
Khan alleged that "India has amassed men, material and garrisons along the border with Pakistan" and said that 2017 was the deadliest year in terms of LoC violations by India and the killings of civilians.
"India today is a highly militarised and an increasingly belligerent neighbour," he claimed, adding that the unrelentingly hostile and anti-Pakistan stance taken by the current Indian government has reduced drastically the space for any advocacy of peace. India is not worried about Terroristan. India has to defend itself from the malintent of China.
The minister said Pakistan was being made a scapegoat as the US was not winning (the war on terror) in Afghanistan.
He said Pakistan had cleared the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), Karachi and Balochistan under the Operation 'Zarb-i-Azb' and there were no safe havens for terrorists in the country.
He urged the US to recognise the sacrifices Pakistan and its people had made in the war on terror since 2001.
He also criticised the US for not pursuing internal reconciliation in Afghanistan, which had now become a safe haven for terrorists.
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ISLAMABAD: The US has been trying to convince Pakistan that India was not a threat to it and Islamabad should change its strategic stance towards New Delhi, defence minister Khurram Dastagir Khan has said.
He also said that it is time for a courteous yet "ruthlessly candid dialogue" with the US "with everything on the table" to remove all misunderstandings between Islamabad and Washington.
Reading out a policy statement on the government's foreign policy contours and the security situation in Pakistan in the National Assembly yesterday, he regretted that the US played down India's aggressive posturing along the Line of Control (LoC) and Working Boundary, the Dawn reported on Tuesday.
The minister said the perception of India was one of the foundational divergences between Pakistan and the US.
"It's time for a courteous yet ruthlessly candid dialogue between Pakistan and the US with everything on the table," the defence minister said.
Khan said that Washington had been trying to convince Pakistan that India was not a threat and, therefore, Islamabad should change its strategic stance.
"But the truism remains true. Both India's capacity and intents are today hostile towards Pakistan," he alleged.
Pakistan accuses India of using Afghan soil for carrying out hostile activities against it, a charge India has dismissed.
Khan alleged that "India has amassed men, material and garrisons along the border with Pakistan" and said that 2017 was the deadliest year in terms of LoC violations by India and the killings of civilians.
"India today is a highly militarised and an increasingly belligerent neighbour," he claimed, adding that the unrelentingly hostile and anti-Pakistan stance taken by the current Indian government has reduced drastically the space for any advocacy of peace. India is not worried about Terroristan. India has to defend itself from the malintent of China.
The minister said Pakistan was being made a scapegoat as the US was not winning (the war on terror) in Afghanistan.
He said Pakistan had cleared the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), Karachi and Balochistan under the Operation 'Zarb-i-Azb' and there were no safe havens for terrorists in the country.
He urged the US to recognise the sacrifices Pakistan and its people had made in the war on terror since 2001.
He also criticised the US for not pursuing internal reconciliation in Afghanistan, which had now become a safe haven for terrorists.
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Peregrine wrote:US trying to convince us that India is not a threat, says Pakistan defence minister
ISLAMABAD: The US has been trying to convince Pakistan that India was not a threat to it and Islamabad should change its strategic stance towards New Delhi, defence minister Khurram Dastagir Khan has said.
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Reading out a policy statement on the government's foreign policy contours and the security situation in Pakistan in the National Assembly yesterday, he regretted that the US played down India's aggressive posturing along the Line of Control (LoC) and Working Boundary, the Dawn reported on Tuesday.
The minister said the perception of India was one of the foundational divergences between Pakistan and the US.
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Khan said that Washington had been trying to convince Pakistan that India was not a threat and, therefore, Islamabad should change its strategic stance.
"But the truism remains true. Both India's capacity and intents are today hostile towards Pakistan," he alleged.
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Khan alleged that "India has amassed men, material and garrisons along the border with Pakistan" and said that 2017 was the deadliest year in terms of LoC violations by India and the killings of civilians.
"India today is a highly militarised and an increasingly belligerent neighbour," he claimed, adding that the unrelentingly hostile and anti-Pakistan stance taken by the current Indian government has reduced drastically the space for any advocacy of peace.
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As the above article shows, the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic is very clear that India is the Enemy.
Given the above and US Acting Assistant Secretary of State Alice Wells reportedly having said to journalist Hamid Mir per the below article that the United States considers the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic Pakistan’s enemy as its own enemy; is the US now saying that India is their (i.e. the US’) Enemy
Pakistan’s enemy is our enemy, says US State Dept official
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Here is a Turn Up for the Books!
Pakistan to ‘self-finance’ Gwadar’s water treatment plant
Pakistan to ‘self-finance’ Gwadar’s water treatment plant
CheersISLAMABAD: Pakistan decided on Monday to self-finance the Rs5-billion water treatment plant in Gwadar after China remained non-committal to fund the scheme despite its importance to the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor projects.
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From today's edit in DT, Unsharing Intelligence
Indeed, now that the mainstreaming project is fully underway, there is nothing much left to encourage Pakistan to share intelligence with the US; especially given that it [Pakistan]will never go after those groups who do their deadliest in Indian-held Kashmir. Not when that area is vital to this country’s water security. But, nevertheless, we would still advise caution. Particularly, considering that cooperation and mutual trust will be needed to tackle the matter of Afghan safe-havens from where attacks are launched on our side of the border. After all, we can’t rely on the Chinese for everything.
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arun Ji :
All one can say is "“Belief has nothing to do with facts, especially for the unbelievable facts.”
Will have to keep an eye for this one!
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SSridar Ji : Rejoice Guru Ji. The Terroristani has admitted that indeed it is the Terroristan based "Kashmir Terrorists" - Armed, Based, Funded, Fully Supported and Trained in Terroristan - that is responsible for the Terrorist Movement in Kashmir !SSridhar wrote:From today's edit in DT, Unsharing Intelligence
Indeed, now that the mainstreaming project is fully underway, there is nothing much left to encourage Pakistan to share intelligence with the US; especially given that it [Pakistan]will never go after those groups who do their deadliest in Indian-held Kashmir. Not when that area is vital to this country’s water security. But, nevertheless, we would still advise caution. Particularly, considering that cooperation and mutual trust will be needed to tackle the matter of Afghan safe-havens from where attacks are launched on our side of the border. After all, we can’t rely on the Chinese for everything.
This gives India the chance - if it is true - to take credit for the Indian support to the Balochistani Insurgency which is in a "Tit for Tit and Tat for Tat" response. In addition now basing such an admission made by the Terroristani Establishment will provide India a valid excuse for - if it is true - increasing support to the Balochistani Freedom Movement.
What say you?
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Peregrine ji, this is just an editorial from a Pakistani newspaper, which used to write somewhat reasonable edits. Even if heavily prejudiced, DT edits used to exhort Pakistani establishment, in a passing reference, to rein-in terrorists operating across their eastern border.
But, in the last year or so, I see that even such a fig leaf is gradually disappearing. Now, DT says categorically that no action would be taken and justifies that.
But, this is all coming from a newspaper which is still not pro-Establishment (at least in domestic policies & actions, even though on the Indian front, it has been changing colours).
However, acceptance& admission had come earlier from more authoritative sources (than a mere Editorial board of an English-language Pakistani newspaper which carries the least credibility within the Pakistani hierarchy. I mean none more authoritative than Musharraf himself) on several occasions.
But, in the last year or so, I see that even such a fig leaf is gradually disappearing. Now, DT says categorically that no action would be taken and justifies that.
But, this is all coming from a newspaper which is still not pro-Establishment (at least in domestic policies & actions, even though on the Indian front, it has been changing colours).
However, acceptance& admission had come earlier from more authoritative sources (than a mere Editorial board of an English-language Pakistani newspaper which carries the least credibility within the Pakistani hierarchy. I mean none more authoritative than Musharraf himself) on several occasions.
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This is admittance of an unprecedented scale.Peregrine wrote:The Terroristani has admitted that indeed it is the Terroristan based "Kashmir Terrorists" - that is responsible for the TerrorismSSridhar wrote:From today's edit in DT, Unsharing Intelligence
... never go after those groups who do their deadliest in Indian-held Kashmir. Not when that area is vital to this country’s water security...Movementin Kashmir !
I think the more important takeaway from this statement is that the paki support of the terrorists-jihadists was never about "azaadi" for their malsic brethren in cashmere. It was never about the malsic ammah and the missing "K" in "baKistan". Cashmere being their "jocular vein" was really all about water security and securing the sources of water to sustain their teeming, impoverished, unwashed, multiplying millions. Now, it's all about "bawkistan" where "wk" stood for "water from kashmir". That is all they were looking for.
I wonder how the marginalized houri-rats in Srinagar feel now after being used for seventy years?
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That editorial in DT, IMO, conveys a message to the US. Alice Wells is there in Islamabad, the two estranged lovers are trying to go back to their amorous selves, after a small interlude. News has emerged that the US has advised Pakistan that India was not the villain, that it imagines to be. However, Islamabad/Rawalpindi react by saying that the red line is jihadism targetted at India and that the US cannot cross that.
I think Terroristan has made its position clear to the US that India was a 'NO GO' for US political intervention in Pakistan. The only time it will be a 'GO' would be if and when the US intercedes with India on its behalf.
Here we have in India, the INC, leftists, media houses, anti-national analysts and the liberal intelligentsia egging on India to go for a peace dialogue !
I think Terroristan has made its position clear to the US that India was a 'NO GO' for US political intervention in Pakistan. The only time it will be a 'GO' would be if and when the US intercedes with India on its behalf.
Here we have in India, the INC, leftists, media houses, anti-national analysts and the liberal intelligentsia egging on India to go for a peace dialogue !
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anupmisra ji, in the very earliest days, Pakistan justified to the external world why it needed to annex J&K. It proffered two reasons, one water and another military, both based on an insecurity paradigm which the rest of the world has continued to believe to this day.anupmisra wrote:This is admittance of an unprecedented scale.
I think the more important takeaway from this statement is that the paki support of the terrorists-jihadists was never about "azaadi" for their malsic brethren in cashmere. It was never about the malsic ammah and the missing "K" in "baKistan". Cashmere being their "jocular vein" was really all about water security and securing the sources of water to sustain their teeming, impoverished, unwashed, multiplying millions. Now, it's all about "bawkistan" where "wk" stood for "water from kashmir". That is all they were looking for.
I wonder how the marginalized houri-rats in Srinagar feel now after being used for seventy years?
As events have shown, the need to acquire and protect resources, especially territory and water played the central part in the nascent stages of the Kashmir dispute. As Pakistan’s significant water resources, such as the Indus system of rivers, went through the State of Jammu & Kashmir, Pakistan felt compelled to annex that State to re-assure itself of securing its water resources. Pakistani leaders, including Jinnah, have referred to J&K as Pakistan’s ‘Shah-e-Rag’ (jugular vein). Arguing before the UN Security Council in c. 1950, Sir Zafarullah Khan, the then Pakistani Foreign Minister said “The three rivers beginning at the top of the map – the Indus, the Jhelum and the Chenab – which flow from Kashmir into Pakistan control to a very large extent the agricultural economy of Pakistan. . . If Kashmir were to accede to India, this supply is liable to be cut off . . .Therefore, to think in terms of Pakistan without Kashmir as an independent country is a complete fallacy. If Kashmir should accede to India, Pakistan might as well, from both the economic and strategic points of view, become a feudatory of India.”.
There was also another militarist reason which was the Pakistani desire of Kashmir acting a s a buffer between itself and India since its principal garrisson cities were uncomfortably within easy reach from Indian borders. These fears were explicitly expressed by Maj. Gen. Walter Joseph Cawthorne, an Australian in the British Army, in a speech to the Royal Institute of International Affairs (RIIA) in c. 1948. He later founded the present-day Inter Services Intelligence Directorate (ISID) “Whatever the legal position might be, from the political, economic and strategic points of view, Pakistan could not afford to have a hostile India right up to the Western borders of J[ammu] & K[ashmir] : a) It would bring Indian army within 30 miles of the military headquarters of Pakistan and right behind the vital north—south communication line; b) it would give India control over the waterworks of Chenab, Jhelum and Indus; c) it would give India direct contact with Afghanistan and Chitral and Swat in the backdrop of indications that the Indian Congress and the Young Afghan Party were jointly encouraging the Pathanistan idea; d) it would also place India in an almost direct contact with Russia.”
Religion was used to whip up passion domestically within Pakistan as well as among Indian Muslims in J&K. Jihad has been going on in J&K since October,1947.
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Fatwa against suicide bombings: Pakistan seeks to build national narrative against terrorism
Above “Fatwa” on the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan is best approached as yet another likely attempt to gull credulous Non-Mohammadden Kaafir Dhimmis with an application of the Mohammadden doctrine of dissimulation, the polite term for lying, aka Taqiyyah / Taqiya, and hence to be taken with a camel-load of salt given that the last time around there was such “Fatwa” regards the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan issued by keepers of the flame of Mohammadden belief in the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the fine print exempted Mohammadden belief inspired acts of suicide bombing in Jammu & Kashmir.
Edict against suicide attacks
Meanwhile when the 2005 Fatwa clearly did not work, what makes the Punjabi military dominated Uniformed Jihadis of the Deep State of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan think the 2018 Fatwa will work?
Above “Fatwa” on the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan is best approached as yet another likely attempt to gull credulous Non-Mohammadden Kaafir Dhimmis with an application of the Mohammadden doctrine of dissimulation, the polite term for lying, aka Taqiyyah / Taqiya, and hence to be taken with a camel-load of salt given that the last time around there was such “Fatwa” regards the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan issued by keepers of the flame of Mohammadden belief in the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the fine print exempted Mohammadden belief inspired acts of suicide bombing in Jammu & Kashmir.
From the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Dawn News Paper:Edict against suicide attacks
May 18, 2005
A group of 58 religious scholars belonging to all schools of thought issued here on Tuesday an edict (fatwa) against suicide attacks. However, they said that the fatwa was applicable only in Pakistan. The edict was issued by Ruet Hilal Committee Chairman Mufti Muneebur Rahman at a press conference where only some TV channels had been invited. …………………………..
The fatwa, Mufti Muneeb said, would apply only in Pakistan, while people waging freedom movements against alien occupation like in Palestine and Kashmir, were exempted of its scope.
Edict against suicide attacks
Meanwhile when the 2005 Fatwa clearly did not work, what makes the Punjabi military dominated Uniformed Jihadis of the Deep State of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan think the 2018 Fatwa will work?
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^^ Ah, I see what they did there..
I invite the gentle rakshaks to come up with better fatwas to encourage soosai tourism in Pakland..
I propose another Fatwa: Perform a soosai in Pakland and watch the number of hooris get doubled to 144..LAHORE, May 17: A group of 58 religious scholars belonging to all schools of thought issued here on Tuesday an edict (fatwa) against suicide attacks. However, they said that the fatwa was applicable only in Pakistan. The edict was issued by Ruet Hilal Committee Chairman Mufti Muneebur Rahman at a press conference where only some TV channels had been invited.
Mufti Mohammad Khan Qadri, Muttahida Majlis-i-Amal MNA, Maulana Abdul Malik and other prominent clerics were present on the occasion. The edict says that Islam forbids suicide attacks on Muslims and those committing such acts at places of worship and public congregations cease to be Muslims.
The fatwa, Mufti Muneeb said, would apply only in Pakistan, while people waging freedom movements against alien occupation like in Palestine and Kashmir, were exempted of its scope. The decree said that killing innocent people was haram (forbidden) in Islam and carried the death penalty, Qisas and compensation. Killing a fellow Muslim without Islamic and legal reasons was even a bigger crime, it added.
I invite the gentle rakshaks to come up with better fatwas to encourage soosai tourism in Pakland..
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Sridhar, just "Anup" would do fine. Makes it less complicated.SSridhar wrote:anupmisra ji, in the very earliest days, Pakistan justified to the external world why it needed to annex J&K. It proffered two reasons, one water and another military, both based on an insecurity paradigm which the rest of the world has continued to believe to this day.
Excellent summation of events leading to paki obsession with J&K. It did start out in 1947. Now that the "military" (or strategic depth) reason is no longer valid (with defense under pinned by battlefield nukes and gun-to-the-head blackmail, fear of India directly attacking bakistan should have taken a back seat), water must be the only reason why the pakjabis are still arming the their unwashed momeens to conduct jihad in cashmere. To recent converts from the lower strata of society, achieving jannat within their lifetimes is always a good way to end their miserable lives). I wonder if this is a good long term strategy or just a great tactic on their part. Pakis are horrible at the former but die hards with a 20/20 vision with the latter.
The blow backs seen elsewhere in the land of the pure are examples of the lack of good strategic thinking.
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US has a pretty clear idea of how Pakis have been playing the game, regardless of the shenanigans of foggy bottomers. US plies Pakistan with arms to keep a check on India, and in return gets access to Afghanistan. You know that, I know that and the Americans know that.
With DT in power and a pretty strong Indian lobby, we are starting to see this equation change. For one, it's pretty expensive to arm Pakistan against India. If the US is able to convince Pakis that India is not a threat to them (*stay with me for a moment here), it can probably convert a good portion of spending into civilian financing, which the country desperately needs; maybe increase textile import quotas, let in more students, that kind of feel good stuff.
India never was and is not a threat to Pakistan; but a thief always fears that the long arm of the law will catch up with them, which is why I can imagine Pakistan will always fear Indian action against them even if things calm down for a while.
Meanwhile, another element of the US' change of strategy could have to do with Indian pre-conditions for deeper military engagement with the US, particular arms imports. I am guessing that we must have made it clear that we can't continue to subsidize their arms industry so they can give freebies to Pakistan.
As a quid pro quo, if military aid to Pakistan is reduced significantly, especially of equipment clearly to deal with a state actor rather than bearded men in tents & caves, we Indians may have to swing some major arms deals in favour of the US. It's not necessarily bad - after all these are geostrategic plays here not stuff available on price-compare.com.
We may also have to guarantee some kind of no-aggression intent to the US with respect to Pakistan.
With DT in power and a pretty strong Indian lobby, we are starting to see this equation change. For one, it's pretty expensive to arm Pakistan against India. If the US is able to convince Pakis that India is not a threat to them (*stay with me for a moment here), it can probably convert a good portion of spending into civilian financing, which the country desperately needs; maybe increase textile import quotas, let in more students, that kind of feel good stuff.
India never was and is not a threat to Pakistan; but a thief always fears that the long arm of the law will catch up with them, which is why I can imagine Pakistan will always fear Indian action against them even if things calm down for a while.
Meanwhile, another element of the US' change of strategy could have to do with Indian pre-conditions for deeper military engagement with the US, particular arms imports. I am guessing that we must have made it clear that we can't continue to subsidize their arms industry so they can give freebies to Pakistan.
As a quid pro quo, if military aid to Pakistan is reduced significantly, especially of equipment clearly to deal with a state actor rather than bearded men in tents & caves, we Indians may have to swing some major arms deals in favour of the US. It's not necessarily bad - after all these are geostrategic plays here not stuff available on price-compare.com.
We may also have to guarantee some kind of no-aggression intent to the US with respect to Pakistan.
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Pakistan examining proposal for DGMO-level talks with India. - Misleading Headline.
Pakistan is examining a proposal for a (Pakistan seeks) DGMO-level meeting with India after a gap of four years to reduce tensions along the Line of Control and the Working Boundary through fresh confidence-building measures, a media report said today.
The report comes a day after Pakistan said four of its soldiers died and five others injured in cross-border firing by Indian troops across the LoC. The Indian Army, however, said seven Pakistani soldiers were killed in its retaliatory firing. (Porkistan is desperate for ending the effective response given by India)
A Pakistan defence ministry official in a meeting on Monday told the senate defence committee that a "fresh proposal of DGMOs' (director generals of military operations) meeting is being considered," the Dawn reported.
The official also briefed the senators about the latest trends in Indian ceasefire violations, it said. (Ya Allah give us back Manmohan and Congress who allowed us to enable infiltration into India to carry out periodic killings in India without us fearing any payback)
In November, a telephonic conversation between the two DGMOs took place following a request by the Pakistani side.
According to the report, one of the confidence-building measures being considered for the planned meeting of DGMOs is "calibre reduction" of the arms being used at the LoC. (Modi's response is too hot to handle and Porkistan thinks it can hoodwink India into stopping it)
Pakistan-India DGMOs have a frequent hotline contact, but they last met face-to-face four years ago at Wagah, a village which serves as a transit terminal between Lahore and Amritsar.
The December 24, 2013 Wagah meeting had taken place after a break of 14 years. That meeting too was held to discuss ways to ensure peace along the LoC and the Working Boundary.
Meanwhile, a resolution adopted by the senate committee through consensus condemned Indian Army chief Gen. Bipin Rawat's statement about "calling nuclear bluff of Pakistan" as "stupidity and provocative". (Mass browning of shalwars in Pindi and Isloo)
They termed it a "war-like" proclamation, the report said.
Pakistan is examining a proposal for a (Pakistan seeks) DGMO-level meeting with India after a gap of four years to reduce tensions along the Line of Control and the Working Boundary through fresh confidence-building measures, a media report said today.
The report comes a day after Pakistan said four of its soldiers died and five others injured in cross-border firing by Indian troops across the LoC. The Indian Army, however, said seven Pakistani soldiers were killed in its retaliatory firing. (Porkistan is desperate for ending the effective response given by India)
A Pakistan defence ministry official in a meeting on Monday told the senate defence committee that a "fresh proposal of DGMOs' (director generals of military operations) meeting is being considered," the Dawn reported.
The official also briefed the senators about the latest trends in Indian ceasefire violations, it said. (Ya Allah give us back Manmohan and Congress who allowed us to enable infiltration into India to carry out periodic killings in India without us fearing any payback)
In November, a telephonic conversation between the two DGMOs took place following a request by the Pakistani side.
According to the report, one of the confidence-building measures being considered for the planned meeting of DGMOs is "calibre reduction" of the arms being used at the LoC. (Modi's response is too hot to handle and Porkistan thinks it can hoodwink India into stopping it)
Pakistan-India DGMOs have a frequent hotline contact, but they last met face-to-face four years ago at Wagah, a village which serves as a transit terminal between Lahore and Amritsar.
The December 24, 2013 Wagah meeting had taken place after a break of 14 years. That meeting too was held to discuss ways to ensure peace along the LoC and the Working Boundary.
Meanwhile, a resolution adopted by the senate committee through consensus condemned Indian Army chief Gen. Bipin Rawat's statement about "calling nuclear bluff of Pakistan" as "stupidity and provocative". (Mass browning of shalwars in Pindi and Isloo)
They termed it a "war-like" proclamation, the report said.
Terroristan - 4th Jan 2018
India ends decades-old subsidy for Hajj pilgrims
India’s Hindu nationalist government is ending a decades-long policy of offering discounted airfares to Muslims embarking on the Hajj pilgrimage, it announced Tuesday.
The right-wing Bharatiya Janata Party has accused its opponents in the Congress party — who introduced the Hajj assistance scheme in the 1950s — of trying to woo Muslim voters through handouts.
Minority Affairs Minister Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi said the government wants to assist India’s roughly 175 million Muslims without resorting to political “appeasement” along religious lines.
“Development with dignity is what we believe in,” he said in announcing the decision to scrap the travel subsidy.
He said the cash saved from the scheme would be channelled into economic opportunities and education for Muslims, who make up about 14 per cent of India’s 1.25 billion people. IMO even this gesture will be trying to woo Muslim voters through handouts!
Every year more than 100,000 pilgrims travel from India to the Holy city of Makkah in Saudi Arabia for a spiritual journey that every faithful Muslim strives to make at least once in their lifetime.
Critics have long argued that India, a secular country, should not extend handouts to any religious community for their faith-based celebrations.
India’s top court in 2012 said the scheme should be phased out, and that it contravened a fundamental tenet of Islam — that only those who could afford to make the pilgrimage do so.
But the right-wing government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi spends millions for Hindus undertaking the Kailash Mansarovar and Kumbh Mela, a sacred bathing ritual that draws millions of pilgrims over four weeks.
Naqvi said 175,000 Indian Muslims would embark on Hajj this year — a record number — suggesting enthusiasm for the annual pilgrimage would not shrink without the government’s financial assistance.
Muslim leaders in India have also urged the government to abolish the travel subsidy, saying state-run carrier Air India was the biggest beneficiary.
Cheers
India’s Hindu nationalist government is ending a decades-long policy of offering discounted airfares to Muslims embarking on the Hajj pilgrimage, it announced Tuesday.
The right-wing Bharatiya Janata Party has accused its opponents in the Congress party — who introduced the Hajj assistance scheme in the 1950s — of trying to woo Muslim voters through handouts.
Minority Affairs Minister Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi said the government wants to assist India’s roughly 175 million Muslims without resorting to political “appeasement” along religious lines.
“Development with dignity is what we believe in,” he said in announcing the decision to scrap the travel subsidy.
He said the cash saved from the scheme would be channelled into economic opportunities and education for Muslims, who make up about 14 per cent of India’s 1.25 billion people. IMO even this gesture will be trying to woo Muslim voters through handouts!
Every year more than 100,000 pilgrims travel from India to the Holy city of Makkah in Saudi Arabia for a spiritual journey that every faithful Muslim strives to make at least once in their lifetime.
Critics have long argued that India, a secular country, should not extend handouts to any religious community for their faith-based celebrations.
India’s top court in 2012 said the scheme should be phased out, and that it contravened a fundamental tenet of Islam — that only those who could afford to make the pilgrimage do so.
But the right-wing government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi spends millions for Hindus undertaking the Kailash Mansarovar and Kumbh Mela, a sacred bathing ritual that draws millions of pilgrims over four weeks.
Naqvi said 175,000 Indian Muslims would embark on Hajj this year — a record number — suggesting enthusiasm for the annual pilgrimage would not shrink without the government’s financial assistance.
Muslim leaders in India have also urged the government to abolish the travel subsidy, saying state-run carrier Air India was the biggest beneficiary.
Cheers
Terroristan - 4th Jan 2018
X Posted on the Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide Thread
Illusion of democracy in Balochistan
Following Abdul Quddus Bizenjo’s election as the third chief minister of Balochistan in four years, it would be useful to review his credentials largely in terms of popularity and acceptability. Before we congratulate him, we must see how many votes he bagged in the general election held in 2013? Out of a total of 57,656 registered votes in the constituency, Bizenjo secured just 544 votes, which is slightly above one per cent. Is it enough mandate?
In terms of democratic yardsticks, the legislator from Awaran district is perhaps not even eligible for a seat of a councillor, let alone MPA or the chief minister for that matter! Within days of his election as CM, Bizenjo joined the Pakistan Peoples Party. The reason behind the abysmally low turnout was owing to the boycott by separatist-minded Baloch nationalist parties in the area. Does his election represent the aspirations of the people who are disgruntled and disillusioned, and caught between democratic and non-democratic forces?
It is evident from the turnout in Awaran that nationalist groups wield considerable influence there. So, is it a prudent approach to ignore them and move on? Surely, one should have explored ways and means to bring them to the negotiating table? Egos shouldn’t come in the way when we attempt to resolve a sensitive and volatile issue.
The general election results in Awaran also raise serious questions about the effectiveness of the Election Commission. How can it declare a candidate successful on the basis of one percentage votes? Instead of accepting the poll results, the Election Commission should have declared it null and void because such a candidate cannot be a true representative of the area. The Election Commission must answer as to why it chose to remain silent and indifferent to the said poll results.
Though Balochistan is a troubled and complex province, our rulers tend to adopt the same approach yet naively expect a better outcome. Decades-long mishandling of the province has resulted in worsening of the situation and creation of new kind of problems. It seems that policymakers and those “forces” which decide the fate of the province behind the curtains still don’t realise the gravity of the situation as well as the shortcomings of their strategy. Bizenjo is arguably the weakest CM compared with his predecessors, Sardar Sanaullah Zehri and Dr Abdul Malik Baloch, in terms of votes and party position in the assembly. Despite allocating Rs34 billion for maintaining law and order, almost half of the social sector development budget, the provincial government has failed to address the issue and bring sustainable peace to Balochistan.
The first coalition government under Dr Abdul Malik Baloch left a trail of gloom and doom which was rife with corruption scandals, nepotism and conflicts with the bureaucracy, all these issues rendered him ineffective. The same farcical scenes were replayed when Sardar Sanaullah Zehri was in the saddle. As a result, the shadow of corruption and favoritism continued to dominate the political scene in Balochistan and major issues remained unresolved. Under Bizenjo, things are unlikely to change drastically. Keeping in view the weak civilian setup, it is not very difficult to predict what the newly elected CM will be able to deliver in the remaining few months.
One wonders what is then a sustainable and effective solution to Balochistan’s problems? The system of governance will not improve by installing weak and hand-picked leaders. The province needs a greater and genuine participation of public in the democratic process. At the moment Balochistan has the lowest turnout in the country — 40.48%. Moreover, if one excludes the percentage of rigging then it will further go down. It is high time for “the decision-makers” to revisit their strategy thoroughly vis-à-vis Balochistan. The province badly requires real leaders with a full mandate of the public, not hand-picked ones.
Cheers
Illusion of democracy in Balochistan
Following Abdul Quddus Bizenjo’s election as the third chief minister of Balochistan in four years, it would be useful to review his credentials largely in terms of popularity and acceptability. Before we congratulate him, we must see how many votes he bagged in the general election held in 2013? Out of a total of 57,656 registered votes in the constituency, Bizenjo secured just 544 votes, which is slightly above one per cent. Is it enough mandate?
In terms of democratic yardsticks, the legislator from Awaran district is perhaps not even eligible for a seat of a councillor, let alone MPA or the chief minister for that matter! Within days of his election as CM, Bizenjo joined the Pakistan Peoples Party. The reason behind the abysmally low turnout was owing to the boycott by separatist-minded Baloch nationalist parties in the area. Does his election represent the aspirations of the people who are disgruntled and disillusioned, and caught between democratic and non-democratic forces?
It is evident from the turnout in Awaran that nationalist groups wield considerable influence there. So, is it a prudent approach to ignore them and move on? Surely, one should have explored ways and means to bring them to the negotiating table? Egos shouldn’t come in the way when we attempt to resolve a sensitive and volatile issue.
The general election results in Awaran also raise serious questions about the effectiveness of the Election Commission. How can it declare a candidate successful on the basis of one percentage votes? Instead of accepting the poll results, the Election Commission should have declared it null and void because such a candidate cannot be a true representative of the area. The Election Commission must answer as to why it chose to remain silent and indifferent to the said poll results.
Though Balochistan is a troubled and complex province, our rulers tend to adopt the same approach yet naively expect a better outcome. Decades-long mishandling of the province has resulted in worsening of the situation and creation of new kind of problems. It seems that policymakers and those “forces” which decide the fate of the province behind the curtains still don’t realise the gravity of the situation as well as the shortcomings of their strategy. Bizenjo is arguably the weakest CM compared with his predecessors, Sardar Sanaullah Zehri and Dr Abdul Malik Baloch, in terms of votes and party position in the assembly. Despite allocating Rs34 billion for maintaining law and order, almost half of the social sector development budget, the provincial government has failed to address the issue and bring sustainable peace to Balochistan.
The first coalition government under Dr Abdul Malik Baloch left a trail of gloom and doom which was rife with corruption scandals, nepotism and conflicts with the bureaucracy, all these issues rendered him ineffective. The same farcical scenes were replayed when Sardar Sanaullah Zehri was in the saddle. As a result, the shadow of corruption and favoritism continued to dominate the political scene in Balochistan and major issues remained unresolved. Under Bizenjo, things are unlikely to change drastically. Keeping in view the weak civilian setup, it is not very difficult to predict what the newly elected CM will be able to deliver in the remaining few months.
One wonders what is then a sustainable and effective solution to Balochistan’s problems? The system of governance will not improve by installing weak and hand-picked leaders. The province needs a greater and genuine participation of public in the democratic process. At the moment Balochistan has the lowest turnout in the country — 40.48%. Moreover, if one excludes the percentage of rigging then it will further go down. It is high time for “the decision-makers” to revisit their strategy thoroughly vis-à-vis Balochistan. The province badly requires real leaders with a full mandate of the public, not hand-picked ones.
Cheers
Terroristan - 4th Jan 2018
Jinnah, Shariah and Secularism
From a political science point of view, when you solicit the support of people for a political objective and achieve it, it becomes a social contract and both sides are bound by it.
In his article ‘Jinnah, Islam and Secularism’ Mr Yasser Latif Hamdani Self Appointed Jinnah's Hagiographer asserts that ‘at no point during the 13 months that Jinnah was in power that any piece of legislation or resolution purporting to commit Pakistan to an exclusively Muslim polity was passed by the Constituent Assembly’. He also writes that in the official documents of the Muslim League no commitment to make Pakistan an Islamic state was made.
This may sound reasonable, but one can pose the counter question: was in the Muslim League’s documents a commitment ever made to make Pakistan a secular state? The answer is: no. The truth is that the Pakistan Constituent Assembly did not pass any resolution on the constitution at all. `
However, as far as the Indian National Congress was concerned it was officially committed to a secular state from at least the time of the Nehru Report of 1928 in which it was explicitly stated that: a) There will be no state religion; b) Men and women will enjoy equal rights as citizens. These were incorporated into the Indian Constitution and such a commitment has kept the communalist ideas of Hinduta and Hindu Rashtra at bay.
Dr Ambedkar perceptively observed that while Jinnah deliberately kept Pakistan a vague idea, he allowed his fired-up base to imagine it in as many ways as possible. I quoted in my article ‘Barelvis and the Pakistan movement’ the Punjab Governor Sir Bertrand Glancy’s reports sent to the viceroy in which he warned that the Muslim League was using Barelviulema and pirs to propagate an Islamic utopia.
However, such a campaign was not confined to the Punjab only. In the NWFP too and elsewhere a similar campaign was launched. Jinnah’s letter to PirManki Sharif of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa (formerly NWFP) in which he promised that the Shariah will be applied to the affairs of the Muslim community is quoted in the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan Debates, Volume 5, 1947, p. 46.
In his doctoral dissertation, India, Pakistan or Pakhtunistan? Erland Jansson writes:
The Pir of Manki Sharif…founded an organisation of his own, the Anjuman-us-asfia. The organisation promised to support the Muslim League on condition that Shariat would be enforced in Pakistan. To this Jinnah agreed. As a result the Pir of Manki Sharif declared jehad to achieve Pakistan and ordered the members of his anjuman to support the League in the 1946 elections (p. 166).
The details of the agreement reached on 24 November 1945 in the NWFP legislative Assembly between Jinnah, who was accompanied by Liaqat Ali Khan, and Pir Sahib Manki Sharif and other pirs are given by Israj Khan and Toheeda Begum in their article, ‘Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah and Pir Abul Hasanat of Manki Sharif’ published by the Social Science Journal of Peshawar University.
Every law in Pakistan will be in consistency with Islamic Sharia and not repugnant to Quran and Sunnah.
Each Bill which concern with Islamic Sharia will be presented to the President of Jamiat-ul-Asifa to check, only after the endorsement by its President will present the Bill to the constituent Assembly for further proceedings.
Member of the Muslim League will present each and every stipulate of the Jamiat-ul-Asifain the Assembly and will try for its acceptance.
Concerning the question that what type of Constitution Pakistan will be? Jinnah remarked in his speech:
“..let me clear that Muslim believes in one God, one Prophet, Holy Quran and Islamic principles are the Constitution which we inherited from our Holy Prophet (PBUH) thirteen centuries before, so there will be nothing but only Quranic principles will be our Constitution. In order to achieve our goal you should vote in favour of Muslim League candidates. Regarding legislation I will say that when you elect your representatives to the Parliament they make laws in conformity of the Quran and Sunnah” ( Abysn Journal of the Social Science Vol 4 no 2).
Hamdani refuses to grasp a simple common-sense principle which I laid down in my article ‘Barelvis and the Pakistan movement’. I had written, ‘Interestingly, such campaign slogans did not figure officially in the Muslim League resolutions and documents, but so what? From a political science point of view, when you solicit the support of people for a political objective and achieve it, it becomes a social contract and both sides are bound by it.
Jinnah had to win support quickly for the Pakistan idea from Muslims. Consequently, Jinnah made all the promises he needed to maximise support for the Pakistan idea. While the Punjab was a Barelvi preserve Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa was a Deobandi stronghold. It was the support of Barelvis such as Pir Sahib Manki Sharif and other spiritual divines of the former NWFP that the Muslim League win the referendum in 1946. In my doctoral thesis, published by Vanguard ‘The Concept of an Islamic State in Pakistan: An Analysis of Ideological Controversies’ I demonstrated that the debate on the ideological framework of Pakistan has been conducted within an Islamic framework ranging from extremist positions such as taken by Justice Kaikaus and associates and Maududi to even Islamic socialists such as Prof. Muhammad Usman. In between them I placed Allama Muhammad Asad, Khalifa Abdul Hakim, Ghulam Ahmed Pervaiz, Dr Javid Iqbal, and S. M. Zafar. Justice Muhammad Munir who took up cudgels on behalf a secular state relied on a hadith (saying) of the Prophet (PBUH) to the effect that he told Muslims to follow him on spiritual and religious affairs but when it came to worldly matters then his authority was not binding. That may be true but after the founding of the State of Medina in 622 CE, the distinction between the spiritual and the temporal became obsolete as far as Muslim perceptions are concerned.
One can draw an incontrovertible conclusion that Pakistan was never ever conceived as a secular state nor was there a chance in a million that after it came into being on the basis of the two-nation theory compounded by partition violence, it would be declared a secular state. We need to look at the Objectives resolution to find out what sort of inclusive Muslim state was presented by Liaqat Ali Khan.
Cheers
From a political science point of view, when you solicit the support of people for a political objective and achieve it, it becomes a social contract and both sides are bound by it.
In his article ‘Jinnah, Islam and Secularism’ Mr Yasser Latif Hamdani Self Appointed Jinnah's Hagiographer asserts that ‘at no point during the 13 months that Jinnah was in power that any piece of legislation or resolution purporting to commit Pakistan to an exclusively Muslim polity was passed by the Constituent Assembly’. He also writes that in the official documents of the Muslim League no commitment to make Pakistan an Islamic state was made.
This may sound reasonable, but one can pose the counter question: was in the Muslim League’s documents a commitment ever made to make Pakistan a secular state? The answer is: no. The truth is that the Pakistan Constituent Assembly did not pass any resolution on the constitution at all. `
However, as far as the Indian National Congress was concerned it was officially committed to a secular state from at least the time of the Nehru Report of 1928 in which it was explicitly stated that: a) There will be no state religion; b) Men and women will enjoy equal rights as citizens. These were incorporated into the Indian Constitution and such a commitment has kept the communalist ideas of Hinduta and Hindu Rashtra at bay.
Dr Ambedkar perceptively observed that while Jinnah deliberately kept Pakistan a vague idea, he allowed his fired-up base to imagine it in as many ways as possible. I quoted in my article ‘Barelvis and the Pakistan movement’ the Punjab Governor Sir Bertrand Glancy’s reports sent to the viceroy in which he warned that the Muslim League was using Barelviulema and pirs to propagate an Islamic utopia.
However, such a campaign was not confined to the Punjab only. In the NWFP too and elsewhere a similar campaign was launched. Jinnah’s letter to PirManki Sharif of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa (formerly NWFP) in which he promised that the Shariah will be applied to the affairs of the Muslim community is quoted in the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan Debates, Volume 5, 1947, p. 46.
In his doctoral dissertation, India, Pakistan or Pakhtunistan? Erland Jansson writes:
The Pir of Manki Sharif…founded an organisation of his own, the Anjuman-us-asfia. The organisation promised to support the Muslim League on condition that Shariat would be enforced in Pakistan. To this Jinnah agreed. As a result the Pir of Manki Sharif declared jehad to achieve Pakistan and ordered the members of his anjuman to support the League in the 1946 elections (p. 166).
The details of the agreement reached on 24 November 1945 in the NWFP legislative Assembly between Jinnah, who was accompanied by Liaqat Ali Khan, and Pir Sahib Manki Sharif and other pirs are given by Israj Khan and Toheeda Begum in their article, ‘Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah and Pir Abul Hasanat of Manki Sharif’ published by the Social Science Journal of Peshawar University.
Every law in Pakistan will be in consistency with Islamic Sharia and not repugnant to Quran and Sunnah.
Each Bill which concern with Islamic Sharia will be presented to the President of Jamiat-ul-Asifa to check, only after the endorsement by its President will present the Bill to the constituent Assembly for further proceedings.
Member of the Muslim League will present each and every stipulate of the Jamiat-ul-Asifain the Assembly and will try for its acceptance.
Concerning the question that what type of Constitution Pakistan will be? Jinnah remarked in his speech:
“..let me clear that Muslim believes in one God, one Prophet, Holy Quran and Islamic principles are the Constitution which we inherited from our Holy Prophet (PBUH) thirteen centuries before, so there will be nothing but only Quranic principles will be our Constitution. In order to achieve our goal you should vote in favour of Muslim League candidates. Regarding legislation I will say that when you elect your representatives to the Parliament they make laws in conformity of the Quran and Sunnah” ( Abysn Journal of the Social Science Vol 4 no 2).
Hamdani refuses to grasp a simple common-sense principle which I laid down in my article ‘Barelvis and the Pakistan movement’. I had written, ‘Interestingly, such campaign slogans did not figure officially in the Muslim League resolutions and documents, but so what? From a political science point of view, when you solicit the support of people for a political objective and achieve it, it becomes a social contract and both sides are bound by it.
Jinnah had to win support quickly for the Pakistan idea from Muslims. Consequently, Jinnah made all the promises he needed to maximise support for the Pakistan idea. While the Punjab was a Barelvi preserve Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa was a Deobandi stronghold. It was the support of Barelvis such as Pir Sahib Manki Sharif and other spiritual divines of the former NWFP that the Muslim League win the referendum in 1946. In my doctoral thesis, published by Vanguard ‘The Concept of an Islamic State in Pakistan: An Analysis of Ideological Controversies’ I demonstrated that the debate on the ideological framework of Pakistan has been conducted within an Islamic framework ranging from extremist positions such as taken by Justice Kaikaus and associates and Maududi to even Islamic socialists such as Prof. Muhammad Usman. In between them I placed Allama Muhammad Asad, Khalifa Abdul Hakim, Ghulam Ahmed Pervaiz, Dr Javid Iqbal, and S. M. Zafar. Justice Muhammad Munir who took up cudgels on behalf a secular state relied on a hadith (saying) of the Prophet (PBUH) to the effect that he told Muslims to follow him on spiritual and religious affairs but when it came to worldly matters then his authority was not binding. That may be true but after the founding of the State of Medina in 622 CE, the distinction between the spiritual and the temporal became obsolete as far as Muslim perceptions are concerned.
One can draw an incontrovertible conclusion that Pakistan was never ever conceived as a secular state nor was there a chance in a million that after it came into being on the basis of the two-nation theory compounded by partition violence, it would be declared a secular state. We need to look at the Objectives resolution to find out what sort of inclusive Muslim state was presented by Liaqat Ali Khan.
Cheers
Re: Terroristan - 4th Jan 2018
[url=httpsAoA72://dailytimes.com.pk/182578/24-years-exploitation-created-bangladesh/]24 years of exploitation created Bangladesh[/url]- Babar Ayaz, DT, Jan 17, 2018
It is high time that this country face the truth, no matter how bitter it is
While Nawaz Sharif may not be Sadiq or Amin, he wasn’t wrong when he said that Pakistan ought to do some soul searching about the secession of East Pakistan and the creation of Bangladesh. However, instead of reflecting, many jingoists pounced on him in the media. One senior PPP leader stood out in particular for his outrage about Nawaz’s claim that Mujeebur Rehman was forced to launch a liberation movement because of the follies of West Pakistan’s leadership.
At the cost of repeating myself, and perhaps also angering more hyper-nationalists, I am going to defend Nawaz’s statement. It is high time that this country face the truth, no matter how bitter it is.
The creation of Bangladesh was not the result of those crucial eight months when a military operation was launched in East Pakistan. It was a long term consequence of all the wrongs done to East Pakistan by West Pakistan’s ruling classes, which treated the East like a colony. It was a liberation movement which was supported by the Indian government, because they finally had a chance to show the world the Two Nation Theory’s fragility.
Soon after Pakistan was established, the leaders of the Muslim League, led by Prime Minister Liaquat Ali Khan thought it appropriate to impose Urdu as the only national language in February 1948. Mohammed Ali Jinnah jumped into this debate on March 21, stating that Bengali can be the language of the Province, but said “let me make it clear to you that the state language of Pakistan is going to be Urdu and no other language”. This was not acceptable to the Bengalis because they would have been placed in a disadvantageous position in competition with the Punjabi and Mohajir west Pakistanis, who had a better understanding and command of Urdu.
After giving the East Bengalis a ‘Shaheed Minar’, it was finally agreed in the third draft of the Constitution in 1954 that Bengali and Urdu would be the official languages of the country. ‘At the same time it provided for the use of English as the “official language of the country for twenty years.” (Mehrunnisa Ali 1966)
But it was an expensive tradeoff for the Bengalis as they had to accept the perfidious idea of ‘One Unit’, thereby giving away their majority in the assembly. Not only that, once all of West Pakistan was declared one province, what was called East Bengal in official documents until 1954 was renamed East Pakistan.
Now let us take a cursory look at a few disparities: the total government expenditure between 1950 and 1970 in Pakistan was $30.95 billion, out of which West Pakistan extracted the lion’s share of $21.49 billion. Meaning over 69 percent, while East Pakistan, despite having 55 percent of the country’s total population, was only given a measly $9.45 billion, which was just 30.45 per cent of the total.
This distribution of resources was in sharp contrast to the income generated by East and West Pakistan. All through Pakistan’s initial 24 years, East Pakistan had enjoyed a foreign trade surplus. In a paper Why Bangladesh, a group of scholars in Vienna collected data from the government of Pakistan’s official papers showing how East Pakistan was exploited by West Pakistan. Taking stock of the foreign trade they pointed out: ‘In foreign trade East Pakistan exports constituted 59 percent of the total but imports only 30 percent of the total imports… During the same period West Pakistan earned 41 percent of the total foreign exchange and was allowed 70 percent of the foreign exchange earnings’.
While the surplus generated by East Pakistan was invested in the infrastructure and industry of West Pakistan, it was a secured market for West Pakistani goods. Between 1964 and 1969, West Pakistan exported goods worth Rs 5.29 billion to East Pakistan, while it imported goods worth Rs 3.17 billion.
Of the total foreign assistance, almost 80 percent was consumed by West Pakistan. On the whole, again according to the Vienna Group, 77 percent of the funds allocated for development went to West Pakistan in the first 20 years. Not only were all the major investments in the jute and paper industry in East Pakistan owned by the big business houses of West Pakistan, East Pakistan was their undisputed market of over 50 million people. It was because of the loss of this colony that Pakistan had to devalue its currency by 135 percent in 1972 and its textile and consumer industry had a great fall.
The East Bengal middle classes were also bitter because of their meagre share in government services. For example, by 1971 the share of 54 percent of East Pakistan’s Bengalis in the central civil services was 16 percent; in foreign services, 15 percent; in the army, out of 17 generals, there was only one Bengali. And in the PIA, only 280 employees were from East Pakistan opposed to 7000 from West Pakistan.
Keeping all these factors in mind, how can Nawaz be blamed for calling for introspection about the Bangladesh issue. It is indeed a good sign that a leader hailing from Punjab is raising these issues which used to be taboos for the Panjabi establishment.
The Germans have not only apologised to the Jews and the communists who were killed by the Nazi government during the Third Reich, they have museums to tell future generations what they did wrong. Can we summon the righteousness needed to apologise for the wrongs done to East Bengal and move on instead of living in our cocoon, believing that it was an Indian conspiracy?
This only confirms what we already knew. East Bengal was exploited politically, financially and militarily by West Pakistan, the self-appointed successors of Mughal and British rule in the sub-continent.
It is high time that this country face the truth, no matter how bitter it is
While Nawaz Sharif may not be Sadiq or Amin, he wasn’t wrong when he said that Pakistan ought to do some soul searching about the secession of East Pakistan and the creation of Bangladesh. However, instead of reflecting, many jingoists pounced on him in the media. One senior PPP leader stood out in particular for his outrage about Nawaz’s claim that Mujeebur Rehman was forced to launch a liberation movement because of the follies of West Pakistan’s leadership.
At the cost of repeating myself, and perhaps also angering more hyper-nationalists, I am going to defend Nawaz’s statement. It is high time that this country face the truth, no matter how bitter it is.
The creation of Bangladesh was not the result of those crucial eight months when a military operation was launched in East Pakistan. It was a long term consequence of all the wrongs done to East Pakistan by West Pakistan’s ruling classes, which treated the East like a colony. It was a liberation movement which was supported by the Indian government, because they finally had a chance to show the world the Two Nation Theory’s fragility.
Soon after Pakistan was established, the leaders of the Muslim League, led by Prime Minister Liaquat Ali Khan thought it appropriate to impose Urdu as the only national language in February 1948. Mohammed Ali Jinnah jumped into this debate on March 21, stating that Bengali can be the language of the Province, but said “let me make it clear to you that the state language of Pakistan is going to be Urdu and no other language”. This was not acceptable to the Bengalis because they would have been placed in a disadvantageous position in competition with the Punjabi and Mohajir west Pakistanis, who had a better understanding and command of Urdu.
After giving the East Bengalis a ‘Shaheed Minar’, it was finally agreed in the third draft of the Constitution in 1954 that Bengali and Urdu would be the official languages of the country. ‘At the same time it provided for the use of English as the “official language of the country for twenty years.” (Mehrunnisa Ali 1966)
But it was an expensive tradeoff for the Bengalis as they had to accept the perfidious idea of ‘One Unit’, thereby giving away their majority in the assembly. Not only that, once all of West Pakistan was declared one province, what was called East Bengal in official documents until 1954 was renamed East Pakistan.
Now let us take a cursory look at a few disparities: the total government expenditure between 1950 and 1970 in Pakistan was $30.95 billion, out of which West Pakistan extracted the lion’s share of $21.49 billion. Meaning over 69 percent, while East Pakistan, despite having 55 percent of the country’s total population, was only given a measly $9.45 billion, which was just 30.45 per cent of the total.
This distribution of resources was in sharp contrast to the income generated by East and West Pakistan. All through Pakistan’s initial 24 years, East Pakistan had enjoyed a foreign trade surplus. In a paper Why Bangladesh, a group of scholars in Vienna collected data from the government of Pakistan’s official papers showing how East Pakistan was exploited by West Pakistan. Taking stock of the foreign trade they pointed out: ‘In foreign trade East Pakistan exports constituted 59 percent of the total but imports only 30 percent of the total imports… During the same period West Pakistan earned 41 percent of the total foreign exchange and was allowed 70 percent of the foreign exchange earnings’.
While the surplus generated by East Pakistan was invested in the infrastructure and industry of West Pakistan, it was a secured market for West Pakistani goods. Between 1964 and 1969, West Pakistan exported goods worth Rs 5.29 billion to East Pakistan, while it imported goods worth Rs 3.17 billion.
Of the total foreign assistance, almost 80 percent was consumed by West Pakistan. On the whole, again according to the Vienna Group, 77 percent of the funds allocated for development went to West Pakistan in the first 20 years. Not only were all the major investments in the jute and paper industry in East Pakistan owned by the big business houses of West Pakistan, East Pakistan was their undisputed market of over 50 million people. It was because of the loss of this colony that Pakistan had to devalue its currency by 135 percent in 1972 and its textile and consumer industry had a great fall.
The East Bengal middle classes were also bitter because of their meagre share in government services. For example, by 1971 the share of 54 percent of East Pakistan’s Bengalis in the central civil services was 16 percent; in foreign services, 15 percent; in the army, out of 17 generals, there was only one Bengali. And in the PIA, only 280 employees were from East Pakistan opposed to 7000 from West Pakistan.
Keeping all these factors in mind, how can Nawaz be blamed for calling for introspection about the Bangladesh issue. It is indeed a good sign that a leader hailing from Punjab is raising these issues which used to be taboos for the Panjabi establishment.
The Germans have not only apologised to the Jews and the communists who were killed by the Nazi government during the Third Reich, they have museums to tell future generations what they did wrong. Can we summon the righteousness needed to apologise for the wrongs done to East Bengal and move on instead of living in our cocoon, believing that it was an Indian conspiracy?
This only confirms what we already knew. East Bengal was exploited politically, financially and militarily by West Pakistan, the self-appointed successors of Mughal and British rule in the sub-continent.
Re: Terroristan - 4th Jan 2018
Paki's show their Pakistniat:
'There's no case against Hafiz Saeed sahib in Pakistan,' says its PM Shahid Khaqan Abbasi[
'There's no case against Hafiz Saeed sahib in Pakistan,' says its PM Shahid Khaqan Abbasi[
Re: Terroristan - 4th Jan 2018
Where is TSP multimedia dhaga?
Re: Terroristan - 4th Jan 2018
^ Pakistan maximizes its benefits by using all its assets optimally.
Hafiz Saeed is a prime asset. Hafiz Saeed will be arrested & released according to the demands of the situation. He will be used as a willing pawn in geopolitics by both the US and the Terroristanis.
Hafiz Saeed is a prime asset. Hafiz Saeed will be arrested & released according to the demands of the situation. He will be used as a willing pawn in geopolitics by both the US and the Terroristanis.
Re: Terroristan - 4th Jan 2018
Why, it is hereabhijitm wrote:Where is TSP multimedia dhaga?
Re: Terroristan - 4th Jan 2018
The Paki establishment has unequivocally and very publicly decided to throw its entire lot with anti-India terror groups. No fig leaf of "moral and political support", consequences be damned.
Re: Terroristan - 4th Jan 2018
Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Alice Wells in Pakistan renews call for steps against ‘externally focused terrorists’ - DAWN
It was perhaps one of the rare visits during which a US official did not visit the General Headquarters for a meeting with the military leadership — at least there was no publicly known interaction during the trip.
Re: Terroristan - 4th Jan 2018
SSridhar Ji :It was perhaps one of the rare visits during which a US official did not visit the General Headquarters for a meeting with the military leadership — at least there was no publicly known interaction during the trip.
Thanks for the above. However I don't see the US Rep saying "Pakistan's Enemy is Our - US - Enemy!"
What gives?
Cheers
Re: Terroristan - 4th Jan 2018
The latest Baki establishment's statement on Halfpig Suar seems to indicate that some kind of deal will be reached with America where a few bunnies will be traded for status quo on Suar.
Re: Terroristan - 4th Jan 2018
Ah thanks. I was wrongly checking only active topics.SSridhar wrote:Why, it is hereabhijitm wrote:Where is TSP multimedia dhaga?
Re: Terroristan - 4th Jan 2018
Axact is very much alive and running in Karachi.
Fake degree racket once again busted by BBC uk.
Fake degree racket once again busted by BBC uk.