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Postby Falijee » 23 Jul 2018 23:23

Whoever wins, Pakistan’s new boss will be bossed just like the old boss :D
By Tom Hussain
July 22, 2018

Some 106 million Pakistanis are eligible to cast their votes on July 25 in what has been billed as the country’s most significant general election since the military ceded power back to civilians a decade ago. But it is a landmark poll for all the wrong reasons.
Rather than reflecting the will of the people, the result is expected to yield an ungainly coalition engineered by army generals, with the support of a clearly partisan judiciary and a thoroughly manipulated media.
Some have termed it "selection" , instead of "election" !
So further instability beckons for one of China’s closest allies, and with it the threats to Beijing’s showpiece Belt and Road Initiative and the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) – despite reassurances extended by Pakistan’s military to worried diplomats.
military's business to reassure diplomats :roll:
Under intense pressure, dozens of candidates have switched loyalties to the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) party of former cricket star and playboy Imran Khan, ( now turned "sufist" :mrgreen: ) the prospective prime minister favoured by the army bosses.
Many other politicians have disowned nominations from political parties ruled by the dynasties that have resisted the overbearing military for decades. Some have formed new regional political parties and pressure groups.
Militant Islamists are also active ingredients in this potent mix. They are all expected to converge around Khan after the results are tallied, even if the PTI fails to emerge as the largest party, to form an administration which would unquestioningly advance the political agenda of the military, even though the military insists that it has no favourites.
Imran and the Islamists will form a coalition govt , IMO !
This anticipated outcome hinges on efforts to dissuade voters from backing the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N), the party of ousted former prime minister Nawaz Sharif. He has tried to reinvigorate the campaign by playing the victim and returning home from London to serve a 10-year prison sentence on a corruption case, but he is unlikely to succeed. Candidates who have remained loyal to Sharif have barely been able to mount campaigns in their respective constituencies and have been subjected to persistent intimidation by intelligence operatives.
But much would depend on what happens on polling day itself. If Sharif’s supporters turn out in force, his party could still pull it off. Not allowing him to form government in such a scenario would rob the election of any remaining vestiges of credibility, as would any attempt to steal the election through the 371,000 soldiers and reservists manning it.
Every effort will be made to ensure that nothing like this is going to happen . That is where the 371,000 soldiers will come in handy !
Pakistanis have seen it all before. No elected prime minister has ever been allowed to fulfil a full five-year tenure in office. They have been unceremoniously dumped and replaced by the military’s hand-picked nominees, such as Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, founder of the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) and prime minister in the 1970s, and Sharif himself in the 1980s.
When one of these puppets has subsequently sought to cut their strings after coming into power, they have been overthrown by another, invariably in partnership with the military and judiciary – as was the case throughout the 1990s.
Since the military dictatorship of Pervez Musharraf in the 2000s, however, the Sharif and Bhutto dynasties have worked intermittently to trim the role of the military. This has motivated Musharraf’s successors to seek to dispense with them altogether and replace them with a new favourite – Khan.
However, there is no reason the military would treat him any differently, were he to become the prime minister. Many of the PTI’s candidates are recently inducted turncoats with no ideological commitment to the “change” Khan keeps talking about. The other feudal landlords and religious extremists whose support Khan would need to form a government would also invariably undermine any major move, not to mention the vengeful politicking by the established political parties he has helped to sideline.
Already, there are murmurs within pro-military circles that Khan’s demagoguery and personal conduct makes him unfit to lead a nuclear power. These may not prevent him from becoming prime minister, but it augurs ill for the longevity of his tenure.
But trouble is brewing, and at some point a constitutional crisis could arise that no amount of domestic political engineering – or Chinese-funded development – can stop.

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Postby Rajdeep » 24 Jul 2018 01:16

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Any body language expert can provide any inference ?

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Postby Peregrine » 24 Jul 2018 03:41

Pakistan struggles to attract FDI

ISLAMABAD: Foreign direct investment (FDI) represents the investment of one individual or company in another country. FDI is when investor has operations of foreign business or business assets, with proprietorship or controlling interest in a foreign company.

Gross domestic product (GDP) indicates the final value of goods and services produced in an economy. With an increasing stream of foreign direct investment in a country, the resources of a country rise because of capital inflows. FDI also lifts GDP of the host country, and increases employment opportunities by improving aggregate productivity.

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Moreover, FDI also results in the exchange of technological skills and manufacturing abilities between the host and home country. Economists from all over the world have reached a consensus that the current turmoil of exchange rate can be controlled if Pakistan is able to attract higher FDI in the future.

Considering FDI as an important component of GDP growth, we obtained the data of FDI net inflows as a percentage of GDP from the World Bank for the period ranging from 1970 to 2017. Our descriptive analysis for this period reveals that average value of FDI net inflows as a percentage of GDP is 0.76, far below that in neighbouring countries.

If we see the data of FDI net inflows as a percentage of GDP, from 1970-2017, we find that 1973 was the only year in which net inflows of FDI as a percentage of GDP in Pakistan were negative (-0.063).

The graph indicates that in 2007, the value was at its maximum, 3.67. After 2007, there is a drastic decline in FDI net inflows as a percentage of GDP in Pakistan. The reason for this drastic decline is political uncertainty, terrorism, and a weak foreign policy.

After 2007, Pakistan also failed in maintaining its slightly improved image of an enlightened society. Further, continuous energy shortfalls, rising cost of doing business, consistent devaluation of the currency and crowding out local investors from the market resulted in declining FDI net inflows as a percentage of GDP in Pakistan.

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Before drawing comparison among Pakistan, India and Bangladesh on FDI net inflows, we should accept this fact that South Asia has been blessed with ample resources. This region provides enormous opportunity for businesses due to a large population.

During 2008-09, when Pakistan’s popularity for investments decreased, India attracted $47 billion. Due to unfavourable conditions, Pakistan stood behind Bangladesh in terms of FDI net inflows as a percentage of GDP in last few years. The graph also shows that India is far ahead of Pakistan for the last few years. Comparison between the three neighbours is shown below by using data provided by the World Bank.

The graph illustrates that FDI net inflows as a percentage of GDP in Pakistan again increased during 2015-2017. This can be attributed to the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC). But solely relying on CPEC and leaving efforts in attracting investments from other countries can create a huge risk for Pakistan.

Opportunities can only be capitalised if we are able to control terrorism, develop image of an enlightened moderate society, train our human capital, keep our local investors onboard, produce skilled workers and quality of graduates, diversify the portfolio of foreign direct investors, produce more energy, develop our financial markets and strengthen our institutions.

It may sound like a big ask, but it is doable. This is the only way to derive benefits.

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Postby Falijee » 24 Jul 2018 03:58

Paki "Human Cargo" Becomes Collateral Damage And Political Football Between Civilian Aviation Authority And Paki Airline Shaheen :mrgreen:

Hundreds of Pakistani Passengers Stranded in China Due to CAA, Shaheen Air Dispute

Hundreds of Pakistanis have been stuck in China due to a payment dispute between Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) and Shaheen Air International (SAI).
You cannot squeeze blood out of a stone . The Airline Management ( and politically connected owners) do not believe in paying dues due to a pervasive culture of tax evasion. And therefore the unfortunate passengers ( human cargo !) are the fatalities in this dispute !
The CAA stopped all SAI international flights over non-payment of dues and as a consequence, flight no. NL-892 (Lahore to Guangzhou) was stopped from proceeding back home at the last minute. Due to this move, about 300 Pakistanis who booked their flight back home are now stuck in Guangzhou, China.
It will be interesting to know who is going to pay for their room, board and other incidentals . More headache !
Some passengers’ visas expired as well, leading Chinese authorities to confine them to their hotel. :mrgreen:
No exceptions for their Paki friends. The Chinese are well aware of the Pakistaniyat factor :roll:
These passengers have recorded a video, calling on the Chief of Army Staff and Chief Justice Of Pakistan to listen to their demands and ensure their safe return home.
Add another file to the ever increasing workload of CJP Saquib Nisar :twisted:
SAI spokesperson Zohaib Hassan told ProPakistani that more than 72 hours have passed, yet the CAA has not given them permission to operate flight the flight from China. However, many CAA officers said that permission to operate the flight was given but no written order was issued so far. In normal countries, passenger concerns would be considered priority # 1 and bureaucratic rules ( written orders ) secondary considerations . But then in Pakistan, it is the reverse !
“SAI has checked-in its passengers at a hotel, taking care of them. However, they wish to return home as soon as possible. Our management is in contact with CAA but no permission has been given for the flight as I talk with you,” Zohaib told.
CAA spokesperson told ProPakistani that it is considering allowing SAI to fly a flight back “on humanitarian grounds.” Over the question of whether a written order will be delivered to the SAI in this regard, CAA’s spokesperson replied in the affirmative.



PS: And then there is the question that the passengers MAY miss casting their election vote on Wednesday !!!

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Postby Falijee » 24 Jul 2018 04:04

Interpol "Goes After" Fraudster Dar !

Interpol Issues Red Warrant for Ishaq Dar
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PS: Not sure of the veracity of the above notice . It is an Application Form onlee :mrgreen:

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Postby Falijee » 24 Jul 2018 04:24

Paki Brigadier Debunks Claim Made In Kargil Book .

“From Kargil to the Coup”
By BRIGADIER SHER AFGAN (RETIRED)
July 23, 2018
The author – Nasim Zehra in her book “From Kargil to the Coup” at page 99, has sketched a totally false and malicious narrative against the Pakistan Army and me. In that it has been mentioned, “In 1990, Brigadier Sher Afgan occupied an Indian post in Forward Kahuta, in the Haji Pir area. The Indian hit back with a bloody offensive. They recaptured the post, leaving 150 people dead”. The notion is regrettably misplaced, as the facts are:- Area Forward Kahuta falls within the operational boundaries of Punch Sector (Naza Pir - Sub Sector) and not Haji Pir.Forward Kahuta lies at the foot hills of Pir Panjal Range. No post in the area has ever been vacated by the belligerents astride the Line of Control (LOC) in winter, what to talk of summer, the time that enemy attacked Pakistani Post - Mohri (in area Forward Khuta), in 1991. The question of occupying an Indian post is thus fabricated and fictitious.
The enemy attacked Mohri Post during the period August - September 1991 and not an enemy occupied post in 1990, as propounded in the narrative. Thus the place and period of enemy offensive is totally false.
If conduct of Pakistani troops was dismal, as expounded by the author, then how did the General Officer Commanding 12 Division (Major General Zia Ul Haq) initiate recommendation roll for military award (Tamgha-i-Basalat) in my respect, on 16 November 1991? Extract from the citation is reproduced here under.

“Mohri Post dominated on three sides by the enemy position is---------------------------------------------------------------------------. The area around Mohri was being used as ---------------------by the Indians, ------------------------------------------------------. In May 1991, enemy started to indulge in dubious offensive military activities ---------------------------------------. On 23 August 1991, enemy --------------------------around Mohri Post, prior to their attacks aimed at its capture. The purpose of this action was to deter local population from (spread of uprising against Indian occupation in the Srinagar Valley to area) South of Pir Panjal”.
“--------------------------------Brigadier Sher Afgan correctly interpreting enemy moves reinforced Mohri Post--------------------------------------------------. On 26 August 1991, at about 0500 hours, the enemy launched ---------------- attack on Mohri Post----------------------------------------------- .On night 31 August /1 September, enemy -- -----------------------attack, which was defeated decisively, with heavy casualties”.

“------------------------------------------------------- on 2 September 1991, -----------------------------------.This helped beating back enemy attack, yet again------------------“.

:roll: ( "secret information" deleted! )
“In defeating the enemy design, Brigadier Sher Afgan played a pivotal role and has set an inspiring example for all officers to emulate by leading from the front. In this action enemy reportedly suffered very heavy casualties and the Mujahids under Brigade Commander’s close supervision were able to retain post against enemy three successive ------ attacks”.“For his outstanding leadership qualities, extraordinary courage, devotion to duty, personal example and display of professional expertise in handling the situation, Brigadier Sher Afgan is strongly recommended for the award of Tamgha-i-Basalat.” Ayub Khan self promoted himself to Field Marshal although he never won a war ! . So this "recommendation" does not mean anything ! :mrgreen:
Thus assumption of occupying an Indian Post by Pakistani troops (me) and they hitting back with a bloody offensive, recapturing the post and leaving 150 people dead is an engineered fabrication. :roll:
The above communication is a vivid depiction of conflict impact on the Indians and the result.
The fore mentioned evidence authenticate that exposition in the book is not only fallacious but an effort to malign and degrade the Army institution and me, for ulterior motives only. The reputed author without ascertaining the truth has reproduced the provided script by an intellectually dishonest and conspiring clique, which is not only unprofessional but regrettable as well. This also creates doubts about the credibility of remaining account that has been narrated in this book. True to the lofty traditions of journalism, I expect Nasim Zehra to restitute the narrative and tender an apology for her dereliction, both to the Army and me.
. There are two possibilities (a) Sloppy research on the part of the author ( b) Severe dent on the"Echendee armour" of the retired Brigidiar. IMO, it is the latter :twisted:

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Postby Falijee » 24 Jul 2018 05:32

Chinese Embassy In Islamabad Reacts To Negative Article On CPEC In The Wall Street Journal .

Statement by Chinese Embassy in Pakistan
July 23, 2018

The report from the Wall Street Journal severely deviates from the facts. As a major pilot project of Belt and Road Initiative, China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) has achieved great progress in the last 5 years. CPEC has effectively alleviated energy crisis and infrastructure shortage which are considered as two bottlenecks in Pakistan's development, and played a positive role in maintaining the relatively high economic growth in Pakistan. As an early harvest :roll: project in CPEC, the Lahore Orange Line project has been widely welcomed by the Pakistani government and people, creating a large number of job opportunities. After the completion, it will greatly ease the traffic congestion in Lahore and provide people with affordable energy-saving transportation.
The buzz word of "early harvest" crops up again :mrgreen:
The report stated that CPEC led to the debt crisis of Pakistan. This is a highly irresponsible statement that fails to reflect the reality. According to data released by the Pakistani government, 42% of foreign debt of Pakistan is from multilateral financial institutions, 18% of the debt is from Paris Club. Chinese preferential loans only account for only 10% of whole foreign debt, and offer a much lower rate than commercial bank loans. From this perspective, even if there is a so-called "debt trap", the initiator is not China. As to the people who fabricated the lie that the so-called "debt trap" in Pakistan is caused by CPEC, if they are unable to offer tangible assistance to Pakistan, they can at least try to put the sincere cooperation between other countries in perspective.
The debt trap policy is already achieved in Sri - Lanka and other nations !
The cooperation under CPEC has always adhered to the principles of mutual benefit, equality and reciprocity, follows the golden rules of extensive consultation, joint contribution and shared benefits. The planning and implementation of the CPEC has been discussed by the both sides in the open. No country is dominating the process. Both sides have an equal say. Firmly promoting CPEC is an across-party national consensus in Pakistan and received the wholehearted support from the Pakistani people. We believe that the CPEC will be advanced in a steady manner in accordance with the consensus reached by China and Pakistan without being disturbed by other factors. We hope that relevant media reports could respect the truth, take off their tinted glasses, and make more objective, unbiased and all-sided reports. Their readers deserve the true story.
The Paki traders and domestic manufacturers are expressing the fear that cheap Chini goods would flood the local market !

The Chini Statement is more like a damage control exercise, IMO !

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Postby Falijee » 24 Jul 2018 05:57

Attack on PPP leader convoy, one killed with thirty injured

July 23, 2018

ISLAMABAD - Opposition Leader in Senate Senator Sherry Rehman condemned the attack on PPP’s convoy in Khairpur, which took the life of one party worker and left 30 others injured - including PPP’s candidate for PS-32 Nawab Wasan and NA-210 Khairpur III candidate, Javeed Shah Gillani. In a statement issued on Monday, Sherry Rehman said, “I offer my sincerest condolences to the family of Yasir Kalhoro and prayers for the speedy recovery for the injured. Your service in the name of democracy will not go to vain.”
The senator expressed her dismay at the lack of security during the election season. She said, “This bout of violence in the run up to the election is sadly aimed at undermining our democracy and deterring people from being active participants in the democratic process.”She further said that it was unacceptable and extremely alarming that candidates, regardless of their party affiliation, are being mobbed, harassed and threatened in their rallies and meetings while banned organizations are being mainstreamed.
The PPP leader further stated, “This election is pivotal to Pakistan’s democratic transition which must adhere to terms outlined in the Constitution. I hope that on the 25th, we witness a violence free polling day and the people of Pakistan turn out to exercise their right to vote.”

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Postby anupmisra » 24 Jul 2018 06:58

Man kills six in Chakwal ‘out of frustration’ before taking his own life, police say

A retired soldier allegedly shot and killed six people and injured six others ‘out of frustration’ before taking his own life in Talagang tehsil of Chakwal district, Dawn reported.
50-year-old Mohammad Saeed opened indiscriminate fire on people near his house.
Saeed was a retired soldier who had married four times.
He had divorced his first three wives and was in the midst of a civil litigation with a former wife who filed a maintenance suit in Attock after getting divorced.
Saeed did not have any animosity with anyone :shock:
“the villagers used to consider Saeed as insane and used to call him ‘Sheeda Malang’.”
We are trying to trace his fourth wife


Paki....retired soldier with a gun...frustrated....(legally) married four times.....considered insane by others...being sued by his ex wives. What can go wrong?

https://www.dawn.com/news/1422008/man-k ... police-say

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Postby Leonard » 24 Jul 2018 08:51

Paki does what he TRAINED to do best in Canada ..

https://globalnews.ca/news/4348575/toro ... th-family/

Once again the Paki -- had mental issue's -- But he did NOT shoot his Family or nearby other PAKI's -- rather a Teen age kid from Greek nbd.

Trudeau -- should just roll out the red carpet for 50 % of Paki population -- They will get a FREE Army & Free Feudal lords ..
Of-course that would SOLVE the PAKI water problem for next 25 years ..

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Postby g.sarkar » 24 Jul 2018 10:26

http://www.rediff.com/news/column/imran ... 180724.htm
Imran Khan won't save Pakistan
July 24, 2018 09:45 IST
'What is required is to make Pakistan less war-like and more modest in its ambitions. To normalise with India and to reduce the State's fondness for religion.'
'It is pragmatism and not charisma that it required and it is by being boring and not heroic that this can be achieved.'
'This is the moment of realisation which brings the Pakistani leader into conflict with the army.'
'Imran Khan will learn the lesson in time,' says Aakar Patel.
Pakistan awaits its latest saviour, the fast bowler Imran Khan, who will most likely become prime minister after Wednesday's election.
He is the candidate preferred by the army and the pliant bureaucracy that services it, jointly referred to by Pakistan's media as the 'establishment'.
The final step in this direction came with the arrest and jailing of Nawaz Sharif, the popular Punjabi leader (of Kashmiri origin).
The strength of Khan's party, the Pakistan Tehreek e Insaf, is in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa region and in some parts of Punjab, where Sharif's party is also strong. It would not have been possible for Khan to succeed democratically unless Sharif had been laid low, as has been done with his conviction (thought by many to be unfair) in a case of corruption and disproportionate assets triggered by the Panama Papers revelations.
With Sharif out of the way, the road for Khan is open. Why is Khan seen as the preferred candidate? That is simple to tell.In his narrative of what is wrong with Pakistan, the army does not figure. It is the corruption of Pakistan's political parties and past leaders, and it is the is the United States and its wars that to his mind have held back his nation. The other thing about Khan is his embrace of religion and his comfort with the role of Islam in the modern State. This aligns him with the worldview of the 'establishment', and if he should win the election, Pakistan will finally have the ideal government. Unfortunately, this is a myth.
Khan, if he wins, will go the way of the other Pakistani leaders because he is part of a pattern that remains unrecognised.
It may be strange now, but Sharif was once exactly in the same position as Khan. In the 1980s, he had been handpicked by then president General Zia-ul Haq as the next political leader. After Zia's death, and Benazir Bhutto's return from exile, Sharif was used by the army to counter her 'liberal' instincts, resulting in a hung parliament. Benazir recognised that she could not rule without the army's goodwill and succumbed to their policy of jihad in Kashmir, bringing grief to both sides of the Line of Control. But she was independent of mind and in time came to see that for Pakistan to normalise, it would have to move away from the core beliefs held by the army. Unfortunately for Pakistan, she paid for this independence with her life. Sharif also came to the same realisation in time. He began as a leader who was willing to go along with the army, but for the last decade or more he has been attempting to normalise with India. This is the one thing that would defang the army, and therefore it has been the one thing that the army has resisted. But without normalising with India (meaning putting an end to the mischief of armed groups like the Laskhar-e-Taiyaba and putting an end to the various conflicts) there is no route for Pakistan to become a modern and functional State.
This realisation usually comes to tough-talking Pakistanis after they come to power and the reality of the world dawns on them.
Even General Pervez Musharraf, who made his name through the adventure at Kargil (which the scholar of South Asia Stephen Cohen called a tactical victory but a strategic blunder) in the end wanted peace with India.
Before the 1980s, the saviour was Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, who became a national hero for his recklessness. Bhutto as a young minister encouraged then president General Ayub Khan to begin a war with India. And then he stabbed his benefactor in the back by saying, after the world forced the nations into peace at Tashkent, that Ayub had betrayed Pakistan. This made him popular with the establishment and he came to power. His failure to change anything came at great personal cost to him and he was hanged by the military a few years later. The same cycle keeps repeating itself, and leaders come to power in alignment with the military's anti-India position. The saviour then realises that the tools he has at hand are not only insufficient and inadequate but totally wrong for the job at hand. More conflict and more aggressive posturing cannot help a nation whose fundamental problems are poverty and an inability to solve basic governance issues.
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Postby yensoy » 24 Jul 2018 10:35

PKR exploring new ranges, peeking at 135 https://www.dawn.com/news/1422124/dollar-sells-at-higher-rates-in-open-market, again surprising how little official news coverage there is of Forex rates. Looks like the country's economy is driven by hawala rather than banking channels.

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Postby Manish_P » 24 Jul 2018 11:35

'ISI murdabad': PML-N supporters raise slogans outside Pakistan Army's General Headquarters

Members of one of Pakistan's major parties, the Pakistan Muslim League - Nawaz (PML-N), raised anti-ISI slogans outside the General Headquarters in the city. Supporters of corruption convict former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif gathered outside the Pakistan Army headquarters before they shouted the slogans, as per a report by news agency ANI.

Slogans like "ISI Murdabad" and "Yeh jo Deshsad Gardi Hai Uske Peche Wardi Hi" (Army is behind state terrorism) were raised by the crowd.

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Postby Singha » 24 Jul 2018 12:00

this kutta getting what he richly deserved albeit by other sets of criminals

-- ibnlive --
Washington: The US authorities refused to comment today on media reports that Pakistani-American convict in the 2008 Mumbai terror attack case David Coleman Headley was battling for his life after being attacked by inmates at a detention centre.

"We are not able to locate information about this individual," the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Chicago said in a brief email response to PTI when asked about the incident.

According to some media reports, Headley was attacked on July 8 by two other inmates. The reports said he suffered serious injuries and was rushed to North Evanston hospital, where he was admitted to the critical care unit.

Headley has been sentenced to 35 years in prison by a US court for the 2008 terrorist attack on Mumbai that killed more than 160 people.

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Postby Manish_P » 24 Jul 2018 12:08

^ It was/is not in the interest of Khan or Jihadistan (and some in India) that he survives.. Looks suspiciously like a hit. If the attackers themselves are dead soon then all loose ends get tied up nicely.

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Postby nits » 24 Jul 2018 12:55

Singha wrote:this kutta getting what he richly deserved albeit by other sets of criminals

-- ibnlive --
Washington: The US authorities refused to comment today on media reports that Pakistani-American convict in the 2008 Mumbai terror attack case David Coleman Headley was battling for his life after being attacked by inmates at a detention centre.

"We are not able to locate information about this individual," the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Chicago said in a brief email response to PTI when asked about the incident.

According to some media reports, Headley was attacked on July 8 by two other inmates. The reports said he suffered serious injuries and was rushed to North Evanston hospital, where he was admitted to the critical care unit.

Headley has been sentenced to 35 years in prison by a US court for the 2008 terrorist attack on Mumbai that killed more than 160 people.


So first Rabinder Singh and now Headley... hmmm

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Postby abhijitm » 24 Jul 2018 13:58

Pakistani army is an interesting case study. Amidst all corruption and instabilities this institution has remained persona independent and cohesive. Have not changed the course generation after generation. Generals come and go, the policy is exactly as is no matter what is cost benefit ratio or changed threat perception. This is curious. As if there is external spell on them. It seems Generals are just facades and real handlers are somebody else. I am not talking about sponsors but some deepest institute that runs their policy and constantly give this institute a character. So many years have passed, this has gone beyond coincidence.

These are not very bright people. Hate, fear or money making them this, is not believable. There has to be something solid underneath. But again RAW after so many years has not cracked the code is not possible.

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Postby yensoy » 24 Jul 2018 14:55

abhijitm wrote:Pakistani army is an interesting case study...
These are not very bright people. Hate, fear or money making them this, is not believable. There has to be something solid underneath. But again RAW after so many years has not cracked the code is not possible.


What is there to study here? This is classic jagirdari (feudal) system with a veneer of merit. Young princelings from Pakjab are chosen, trained and inducted into the officer cadre. The institution has memory starting from Mughal days and cultivated right through the British Raj, which is to exploit whoever it can exploit and distribute the spoils to its officer class with some pieces thrown to the rank and file. In that sense the Pakfauj is always in a state of war, because only in war can it amass resources at will, with nobody to keep check or even raise a question. The endgame of the Pakfauji, even the most incorruptible one, is to amass a nice chunk of property which produces good agricultural returns with very meager outlays for inputs - water and labour, damn the country and its people. Kicking out minorities and coveting larger landmasses come naturally with this world view.

The first thing we did on our side was to abolish landlordism and feudalism through land ceiling laws as well as grassroots movements, since ownership of land by the toiling farmer is the first step in realizing economic freedom, which is a requirement for democracy.

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Re: Terroristan - April 24, 2018

Postby chola » 24 Jul 2018 15:07

anupmisra wrote:
Paki....retired soldier with a gun...frustrated....(legally) married four times.....considered insane by others...being sued by his ex wives. What can go wrong?

https://www.dawn.com/news/1422008/man-k ... police-say


Allah was not kind to this poor paki.

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Re: Terroristan - April 24, 2018

Postby abhijitm » 24 Jul 2018 15:09

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abhijitm wrote:Pakistani army is an interesting case study...
These are not very bright people. Hate, fear or money making them this, is not believable. There has to be something solid underneath. But again RAW after so many years has not cracked the code is not possible.


What is there to study here? This is classic jagirdari (feudal) system with a veneer of merit. ..

Feudal systems are personality based. Pak army isn't. Detach yourself from that narrative.

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Re: Terroristan - April 24, 2018

Postby arun » 24 Jul 2018 15:28

Leonard wrote:Paki does what he TRAINED to do best in Canada ..

https://globalnews.ca/news/4348575/toro ... th-family/

Once again the Paki -- had mental issue's -- But he did NOT shoot his Family or nearby other PAKI's -- rather a Teen age kid from Greek nbd.

Trudeau -- should just roll out the red carpet for 50 % of Paki population -- They will get a FREE Army & Free Feudal lords ..
Of-course that would SOLVE the PAKI water problem for next 25 years ..



Hmmm ........... :(( Story already posted.

Any way still X Posting from the Pakistani Role in Global Terrorism thread on the fig leaf that it is a different source :wink: .

Joh Tando Allahyar mein G*andu who Toronto mein bhi G*andu.

BBC reports Pakistani Origin Mohammadden by name of Faisal Hussain has been identified as the individual responsible for shooting dead a 10-year-old girl and an 18-year-old woman besides injuring 13 others in Toronto:

Toronto shooting suspect identified as Faisal Hussain, 29

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Re: Terroristan - April 24, 2018

Postby Falijee » 24 Jul 2018 15:48

^^^
-IMO, the Pakistani Army is hand in hand with the Feudals ( specially of Pakjab)
-Retired Fauji Afsars given land are "entering farming and landlording" ( Mush, Raheel etc etc )
- One of the biggest (stud) farm in Okara, Pakjab is owned and operated by the Paki Army . The farmers are asserting for their rights. The fauji management is crushing their protests
- Increasingly young feudals are selecting Paki Army as a career.
- There is a lot of inter-marriage between the feudals and the Army families

As MQM's Altaf Bhai has said time and again, in order for Pakistan to "progress", the feudal system has to be abolished
Not going to happen for a long, long time , at least IMO

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Re: Terroristan - April 24, 2018

Postby Falijee » 24 Jul 2018 16:00

A Paki Activist Hints That Ganja Sharif Is Hinting That Ganja Sharif Is Getting A Taste Of His Own Medicine In Jail !

Nawaz might have enjoyed better prison conditions — if he had ever looked into improving them
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Maryam Nawaz’s face is unreadable. Her expression betrays nothing. Whether she plots her arrival in the Prime Minister House or plans which one of her Chanel bags to wear with her Fendi scarves, she looks exactly the same.
Perhaps, then, it was not the comfort of her business class airplane seat that brought such peace to her face. Maybe years of living in the lap of luxury teaches you how to look unflappable.Her father, former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on the other hand, has aged. It’s been an interesting journey for him through the corridors of power in Pakistan.
To some, it did not serve him well. To others, it served him too well. When he was demonstrating against his ouster, he grimaced, he raised his voice, his emotions creating as many ripples in the crowd as they did for his frown lines.Nevertheless, all roads that he has taken — whether on business class flights, private planes, helicopters — have taken him to Adiala jail. And he is not happy. Since he has been there, there has been much outrage by his followers. Within hours of being incarcerated, tweets began circulating. How dare a three-time prime minister be subjected to such squalor? How could the first class Sharifs be kept in B-class cells? Where was the dignity? The respect?
To be fair, Ganja is suffering from heart and diabetes problem !
Nawaz is now facing complications from his damaged kidneys. Doctors have been called in, medical reports and recommendations are being prepared in haste. Before long, this might be cited as a reason for his shift to loftier accommodation as well.
Last week, reports emerged that Nawaz's movements had to be restricted in jail. He was out for a stroll in the courtyard of his barrack early in the morning, possibly looking to clear his mind, or even walk off the jetlag from being in London.But he had company. Company that was angry at him.In their wildest dreams, the prisoners at Adiala Jail had probably never deemed possible the opportunity to confront Nawaz face-to-face. They were not going to pass up on it now.
You see, prisoners in Pakistan have reason to be very, very angry with the government(s) of Nawaz.
Prisoners have decided that the Kaptaan is their saviour :mrgreen:
They lifted the moratorium on the death penalty in Pakistan, killing 494 prisoners to date. Many of them have been innocent, many have been mentally ill, others have been juvenile offenders. Some of them have died while waiting to be executed.
The Nawaz government knowingly sat atop a system that hangs the living and exonerates the dead, and the prisoners know this better than anybody.
Some of the decisions about death penalty etc might have been made by the Military Establishment !
Adiala has over 5,000 prisoners. It is designed to hold 1,900. This overcrowding, while criminal, is not unique to Nawaz's new home.Lahore's Central Jail holds 2,332 more prisoners than it is made for. Central Jail, Faisalabad holds 1,828 more prisoners than capacity. In Sialkot’s District Jail, that number is at 1,384 and in Gujranwala, it is 1,840.
Pakistan’s prison population currently stands at 78,160. That is not an insignificant number, and has been ignored by not one, not two but three Nawaz governments. Many inmates have been in jail for all three of his terms.
Muhammad Iqbal was sentenced to death the same year that Nawaz denied General Musharraf’s plane permission to land.From that day to now, Iqbal has grown from a 17-year-old boy to a man with no hope, who has spent more time in prison, than outside it.Read next: Schizophrenic and on death row: the tragic case of ex-cop Khizar Hayat. Nawaz has lived whole lives, whole premierships and during that entire time, Iqbal has been entitled to be taken off death row but hasn’t.
And so the prisoners protested. The chanted slogans against him. They reminded him that he was now on their turf.

IMO, the whole treatment given to Ganja smacks of "revenge" . Same as what happened to megalomaniac PM Z.A. Bhutto !

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Re: Terroristan - April 24, 2018

Postby Falijee » 24 Jul 2018 16:06

Nawaz Sharif not suffering from any acute medical issue, says medical board :roll:

ISLAMABAD – A five-member medical board that conducted medical checkup of incarcerated former prime minister Nawaz Sharif on Monday concluded that the patient was not suffering from any acute problem.
The jail authorities wanted to take the second opinion after two cardiologists of the Rawalpindi Institute of Cardiology recommended that Nawaz should be shifted to hospital after finding him dehydrated. They warned that the patient could suffer acute renal failure due to dehydration and poor sleep amid humid weather. However, the Pims medical board has concluded that blood tests and urine test were normal except his urea level. The second round of examination is likely to be conducted today.The advised the former premier to continue previous medication until the fresh medical examination is completed.
The Deep State/ Jail Establishment has to ensure that they do not have a "dead or a seriously sick Ganja" on their hands, otherwise their goose is surely will be cooked :twisted:



Nawaz declines to be shifted to hospital :roll:

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Re: Terroristan - April 24, 2018

Postby Falijee » 24 Jul 2018 16:34

Advance Planning For Paki Election :roll:

1,000 'kafans' ready for election day as ‘preemptive measure’ in Peshawar
July 23, 2018
The Express Tribune

PESHAWAR: Following the wave of violence witnessed in the run up to the elections, the Peshawar’s deputy commissioner on Monday announced that he has arranged 1,000 kafans (burial shroud) as a preemptive measure for the polling day. “We hope we will have a peaceful voting process but we’re ready to deal with an emergency situation,” deputy commissioner Peshawar Imran Hamid Sheikh told The Express Tribune.
The Peshawar DC needs to co-ordinate this emergency situation with his counterparts in Isloo, La-Whore and Krachi :mrgreen:
Sheikh added that the movement of Afghan refugees from all their camps would also be restrained on July 25. “We’ve also imposed ban on aerial firing, black-tinted glasses and the unregistered entry of vehicles in Peshawar,” he maintained.
The deputy commissioner further said that a total of 1,217 polling stations had been established in the provincial metropolis, including 655 booth for males, 517 for females. 45 of the polling stations will be combined, he added.
What about transgenders. They are specially being targeted in Peshawar !
On security measures, Sheikh said the Pakistan Army and police will guard the polling stations while CCTV cameras have been installed at polling stations deemed volatile. A ban is also in place on the use of mobile phones in the jurisdiction of polling booth. But who is going to implement the ban :roll:

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Re: Terroristan - April 24, 2018

Postby Bart S » 24 Jul 2018 17:10




Flawed premise. Elections in Pakistan are not to elect a boss but a scapegoat, that the ISPR-run media can blame for all the ills of the country while the real boss, the army misruns the country and runs it's economy into the ground.

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Re: Terroristan - April 24, 2018

Postby anupmisra » 24 Jul 2018 17:27

Astrologers' predictions on bakistan's elections (but is it sharia compliant?) - blaming Saturn:


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Re: Terroristan - April 24, 2018

Postby Falijee » 24 Jul 2018 17:35

Pakistan Railways’ losses stand at Rs40 billion, audit officer tells SC

Some highlights :

LAHORE: The Supreme Court (SC) on Tuesday was informed that losses of the Pakistan Railways stand at Rs40 billion. Where there is smoke there is Saquib (SC) :mrgreen:

Moreover, the audit officer also told the SC that only 50 railway stations had been computerised out of 500 in the country. Most likely the monies allocated and disbursed for the "other 450" disappeared in "someone's pocket" :mrgreen:

The forensic audit report also revealed that 70 per cent of the department’s revenues goes towards pensions of retired officers. drinking at the public trough :D
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Re: Terroristan - April 24, 2018

Postby Falijee » 24 Jul 2018 17:43

Another Example Of The Severe Cash Crunch Facing The Paki Govt :D

Leather industry seeks release of Rs450 million tax refund
July 24, 2018

LAHORE: A large number of duty drawback claims of exporters are stuck with the Customs Collectorate for shipments of leather through the Lahore airport, which has not been cleared despite several meetings with the collector, said Pakistan Tanners Association (PTA) Export Committee Chairman Anjum Zafar in a statement.Unavailability of the cheque-signing authority at the collectorate caused delay in the release of leather exporters’ tax refunds, which had piled up to Rs450 million, he said.
just the other day, $ 5 billion of cheques issued were bounced

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Re: Terroristan - April 24, 2018

Postby Kashi » 24 Jul 2018 17:59

Looks like Im the dim has come to the conclusion that his "performance" at the polls is going to be forever tainted with khaki and will be firmly perceived as such by anyone not a youthia as his supporters are called.

He's latest outbursts are aimed at managing the fall out after the "results" are announced.

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Re: Terroristan - April 24, 2018

Postby chetak » 24 Jul 2018 19:31

Lethal in-swinger, deadly outlier - The evolution of Imran 'Taliban' Khan

Lethal in-swinger, deadly outlier - The evolution of Imran 'Taliban' Khan

If the cricketer-turned-politician wins the the blood-soaked Pakistani general election, India will have to raise, not lower, its guard.

24-07-2018

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If Imran Khan wins the blood-soaked Pakistani general election on Wednesday, July 25, India can expect more, not less, state-sponsored terrorism from Pakistan.

The Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) leader goes by many names: Taliban Khan and Mullah Khan are the more polite ones. At Oxford University, he was known as “Im the dim”. But his talent as a cricketer emerged early.

I first saw Imran bowling in a Test match against England on TV in the common room of West Buckland School in Devonshire where I was a student. Imran was making his Test debut in the three-Test series against England in 1971. He was 18. But even then he looked every bit the star in the making. A slightly loping run-up, but a smooth bowling action, allowed him to move the ball both ways. Later, he developed a lethal late inswinger.

As we toured the English countryside playing various other schools in cricket matches and an annual game against an MCC youth team, we tried to copy the Imran style: long, flapping hair, whiplash bowling action and piercing gaze. Did we think this 18-year-old would go on to become one of the world’s greatest fast bowlers, a handy all-rounder and Pakistani Test captain? Perhaps.

Did we in our wildest imagination think he would one day be prime minister of Pakistan? Absolutely not.

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At Oxford University, he was known as "Im the dim".

Enough has been written about Imran’s life after a stellar 21-year Test career – as activist, philanthropist and politician. What should concern India now is the real prospect of Imran becoming Pakistan’s next prime minister following the July 25 general election. In effect, that would mean installing the rogue Pakistani army in the prime minister’s office. The army already controls the prime ministership. With Imran, it will control the prime minister.

Vikram Sood, the former chief of Research and Analysis Wing (R&AW) recently published a fine book, The Unending Game: A Former R&AW Chief’s Insight into Espionage, in which he analyses the role of the ISI in making Pakistan a haven for terrorism. In an article in The Economic Times on July 21, Sood elaborated on the dangers an Imran Khan prime ministership poses to both India and to Pakistan itself.

Sood wrote: “Imran Khan is the frontman, and he is backed by radical Islamist leaders like Maulana Fazlur Rehman Khalil of the Harkat-ul-Jihad (banned by the UN). Other (backers) are from the ultra-right wing Milli Muslim League (backed by Lashkar-e-Taiba), Ahle Sunnah Wal-Jamaat, formerly known as the radical sectarian Sipah-e-Sahaba, and the Barelvi Sunni Islamist group, Tehreek Labbaik Ya Rasool Allah. They are all expected to bat for the PTI by drawing away voters from the Pakistan Muslim League (Nawaz). Not for nothing is Imran Khan also referred to as Taliban Khan.”

In an unprecedented move, condemned by most political parties, the Pakistan Election Commission has given the Pakistani army the judicial powers of a magistrate to “hold on-the-spot trials of people breaking the law and sentencing them”. The only political party to support the controversial move? Imran Khan’s PTI.

No Pakistani prime minister has been allowed by the army to complete his or her term. Imran will be no different if the PTI wins the general election. Though he is the army’s candidate (he is already widely dubbed the PM-elect), Imran will eventually outlive his usefulness to the Pakistani army and be discarded or put to pasture. The army does this with all the stooges it picks. Dawood Ibrahim today is a virtual prisoner of the ISI, allowed to continue his various illegal businesses, including match-fixing, smuggling and hawala, but is no longer useful in the ISI’s terrorism strategy targeting India.

The Kashmir question

The Pakistani general election comes at a crucial time for Jammu and Kashmir (J&K). It is now just over a month since the Mehbooba Mufti government fell and governor’s rule was imposed. During the ill-advised PDP-BJP alliance government the Indian army fought Pakistan-sponsored terrorism with one hand tied behind its back. It has now been freed of such political interference.

In the five weeks since governor’s rule came into effect, terror attacks have reduced significantly. Between April 17 and May 16, 2018, 25 terror incidents were recorded, according to the ministry of home affairs (MHA). Between May 17 and June 16 (during the Ramzan “ceasefire” period), 66 terror incidents were recorded – a rise of over 100 per cent.

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No Pakistani PM has been allowed by the army to complete his or her term. Imran will be no different if the PTI wins the general election.

Since governor’s rule was imposed on June 20, the number of both terror incidents and stone pelting have declined sharply. As The Statesman wrote on July 21: “Stone pelting at the security forces in Kashmir has to a great extent vanished as Jammu and Kashmir on Friday completed one month of Governor’s rule. Incidents of stone pelting at security forces and waving of Pakistani and ISIS flags had become a daily routine in the Valley during the three years rule of the PDP-BJP government. Stray incidents of stone pelting are now being witnessed at the sites of encounters between the security forces and terrorists where miscreants among residents of neighbouring villages emerge to make attempts for escape of the terrorists.”

Ceasefire violations too have decreased over the past few weeks. They had peaked in May 2018 but after Pakistani Rangers hoisted the white flag and the Pakistani DGMO sought a meeting with the Indian DGMO, Pakistani mortars have fallen largely silent. The abduction and murder of J&K police constable Mohd. Sameer Ahmed Shah last week in Kulgam suggests that terrorists, thwarted by tougher counter-terror operations, are increasingly relying on attacking vulnerable targets like policemen on leave at home.

Those who say a “muscular” strategy alone will not work in J&K deliberately distort India’s current strategy: tough counter-terrorism alongside a strong development agenda. The new power plants in Kishanganga, the Jammu-Srinagar tunnel-cum-highway and other civil projects will deliver prosperity and jobs to Kashmiris when the Valley is no longer held hostage to Pakistan-sponsored terrorism.

The fall of the Mehbooba-led government has also led to a revival of long-delayed cases against separatist leaders by the National Investigation Agency (NIA). If the sources of funding for these conduits of terrorism are choked, violence in the Valley will decline.

The prospect, meanwhile, of a re-alignment of political forces in J&K led by Sajjad Lone and breakaway PDP members backed by the BJP could spell an end to the toxic dynastic duopoly of the Abdullahs and Muftis. Cynics say Lone, who was himself once a separatist and lost his father to terrorism, will be no better than the separatist-leaners he might replace. This is moot.

The three issues that should concern Indian policy-makers now are accelerating funding for development projects in both the Valley and Jammu, rehabilitating exiled Pandits, many of whom live in abysmal conditions in camps in Delhi and Jammu, and continuing an unyielding strategy against Pakistan-abetted terrorism.

If Imran Khan does win what is certain to be an army-rigged general election on Wednesday, India will have to raise, not lower, its guard.

He may have been “Im the dim” at Oxford, but Taliban Khan will owe a debt to the Pakistani army if he becomes prime minister.


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Re: Terroristan - April 24, 2018

Postby yensoy » 24 Jul 2018 19:41

abhijitm wrote:
yensoy wrote:What is there to study here? This is classic jagirdari (feudal) system with a veneer of merit. ..

Feudal systems are personality based. Pak army isn't. Detach yourself from that narrative.

Use of flowery language doesn't make your statement true. The British Raj was very much an imperial system rather than a personality cult and survived several monarchs. The Raj certainly exploited feudalism to the hilt; and starting a few centuries back even the British society was very feudal. Read Dickens for gravity, Wodehouse for levity. While the Mughal emperors left their personal stamp on the land, the institutions that helped in building their empires were larger than one person.

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Re: Terroristan - April 24, 2018

Postby yensoy » 24 Jul 2018 19:51

Falijee wrote:^^^
-IMO, the Pakistani Army is hand in hand with the Feudals ( specially of Pakjab)
...
- There is a lot of inter-marriage between the feudals and the Army families


Falijeejee, I will say that the Feudals and Army (officer cadre) are two sides of the same coin (or racial stock). Note the scant disregard for peasants, labourers (including those working abroad bringing home the $), expendable jihadis and NLI type soldiers.

Pakjabis salivate at the prospect of ruling over Hind again, which essentially is confiscating the property of all and claiming it for themselves, enslaving the population and living off their hard work. The Banglas figured it out in 71. "Earning an honest living" is not in the Pakjabi's vocabulary - the rest of the world owes tribute to them for being so TFTA'd.

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Terroristan - April 24, 2018

Postby Peregrine » 24 Jul 2018 20:11

What are people voting for?

There are multiple individuals who constitute the electorate will decide who to vote for. In Pakistan’s eleventh general election in a couple of days, the metanarrative points to a choice between a vote-ko-izzat-do (respect the vote) slogan that underlies a violent injustice done to the electorate’s civic and political rights and a party with some illusionary notion of a ‘naya Pakistan’. The latter party promises governance reforms, having made multiple compromises with the very old Pakistan, where elderly and established veteran electables have switched alliances in the hope of supporting what they expect to be the winning party. At least on this count, there is no difference between naya and old Pakistan.

Then there is the third, formerly great progressive party, led by a younger leader trying to revive the notion of an older social-justice social contract within the paradigm of an advanced neoliberalism, the contradictions between the two quite lost on him and his party. Of course, old and recently mainstreamed Islamist parties continue to raise their demands for an ‘Islamic’ Pakistan, where different formulations and interpretations and shades of Sharia dominate their political programme. Broad formulations of ethnic politics, which were formidable, particularly in Sindh and noticeably in Karachi, while still present, have now been fractured and compromised under different political banners.

In most countries, political parties have a ‘base’ of voters who usually stay loyal to their party. Of course, the base changes as and when the party changes, say when the spouse of a popular leader replaces her, giving a completely new meaning to the identity of her former party. Some committed and so-called diehard supporters stay with the party, but many are disenchanted as they realise that the old party no longer exists. Then, with a new kid on the electoral block rallying Pakistan’s youth with a party founded 22 years ago, many first-time voters are willing to support this new politics, often saying that he should be ‘given a chance’. Over the decades, we have moved from a sort of two-party system, and now with one of them revitalised, to more of a three-way contest, with local, provincial and regional parties and individuals completing the vote bank.

If this had been a very free, fair and transparent election, perhaps many of the base supporters would have voted for their preferred candidates and parties, with a fair indication of what the results would have looked like, as every local and international poll had indicated. Yet, now as the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan has told us, the coming general elections will be the “dirtiest, most micromanaged ... in the country’s history”. They “have serious doubts that elections will be free and fair”, and see “blatant, aggressive and unabashed attempts to manipulate the outcome of the upcoming elections”, suggesting that who people vote for will be compromised by the limited choices they have in front of them. This attempt to break the hold of the base raises further questions about who people vote for now.

Given the similarities in most parties, so-called ideology and principle will probably play a minor part in how people vote, and, hence, what counters the metanarrative is that voters will probably vote for candidates who address and have delivered on local issues. Every TV channel has been showing responses by voters in numerous constituencies about who their preferred candidate would be, and invariably the voter ends up talking about very local issues — water, sanitation, roads — and who has or has not delivered on their promises.

At times, this is the only concern of the voter, not whether a particular leader is in jail, or whether someone already thinks that he is the ‘chosen one’. Local, real-life issues seem to trump broader issues, supposedly related to principle or ideology.

What is surprising is that most voters believe that their National Assembly representative is supposed to provide water in her constituency, rather than hold forth on issues of foreign policy, economics and broader, supposedly ‘national’, matters. There is certainly some truth in the cliché, that ‘all politics is local’, especially in an age where ideology does not differentiate between political parties. Who needs local government when voters expect their formidable MNA to be responsible for clearing their streets?

For a city that has known only ethnic politics for three generations, this is the first time when identity may not be the primary concern in making their choice. This is especially so, when the same ethnic identity is pitted against itself, and when the single dominant party has been made an example of, literally being cut down to size and parcelled out. If ever there is going to be a split vote, this election will demonstrate it in Karachi. Moreover, while much is made of biradaris, political parties are aware of biradari bifurcations and politics, and usually candidates belonging to the same biradari contest against each other. Hence again, either party affiliation — the base — or service delivery at the local level would determine who is voted in.

The consensus now voiced by numerous political parties, human rights groups, citizens and analysts is that considerable pre-poll rigging has already taken place. If before they even get to vote, voters feel that their free and fair choices have been compromised and constrained by the limited options available to them, who and what they vote for might count for very little.

Worse still, one expects that after the elections, active attempts will be made to manufacture a government more suited to the establishment. Whichever way Pakistan’s voters vote, they have already been disenfranchised and an election has been stolen from them. Yet, vote we must, to try to resist and challenge every attempt to undermine democracy.

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Re: Terroristan - April 24, 2018

Postby Vikas » 24 Jul 2018 20:25

yensoy wrote:
Falijee wrote:^^^
-IMO, the Pakistani Army is hand in hand with the Feudals ( specially of Pakjab)
...
- There is a lot of inter-marriage between the feudals and the Army families


Falijeejee, I will say that the Feudals and Army (officer cadre) are two sides of the same coin (or racial stock). Note the scant disregard for peasants, labourers (including those working abroad bringing home the $), expendable jihadis and NLI type soldiers.

Pakjabis salivate at the prospect of ruling over Hind again, which essentially is confiscating the property of all and claiming it for themselves, enslaving the population and living off their hard work. The Banglas figured it out in 71. "Earning an honest living" is not in the Pakjabi's vocabulary - the rest of the world owes tribute to them for being so TFTA'd.


Why only PakJabi's. Even Sindhi and Pathan and Baloch Army-Feudals are following the same tactics. There is no beautiful pig in the Paki nation.

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Re: Terroristan - April 24, 2018

Postby yensoy » 24 Jul 2018 20:47

Vikas wrote:Why only PakJabi's. Even Sindhi and Pathan and Baloch Army-Feudals are following the same tactics. There is no beautiful pig in the Paki nation.


Two points:
1. Numbers. Just by pure numbers Pakjabis corner the most of these posts. Yes there is the random Baloch, Sindhi, Pashtun, maybe even Occupied Kashmiri or Mohajir from time to time.
2. Pakjabis in disguise. Nawaz Sharif says he is Kashmiri, Imran says he is Pathan, Mush says he is Mohajir. Fact is that all are basically Punjabis either by ethnicity or ancestral residence.

Don't get me wrong, they are all complicit here, even the so-called downtrodden masses. It is impossible to pull the wool over like 75% of the population for so long unless that population also is absolutely brain-dead or harbours a similar anti India/Hindu feeling, or both. Hell, if the masses woke up from their deep slumber and realized they've been played, they could easily turn the tables on the military and send them packing to the downsized barracks; yet they won't do so.

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Re: Terroristan - April 24, 2018

Postby SSridhar » 24 Jul 2018 21:00

Falijee wrote:-IMO, the Pakistani Army is hand in hand with the Feudals . . .

I have a different take.

The PA will leverage everyone who is subservient to them. Everyone in TSP is subservient to PA, the reason being that the narrative set by the founding fathers of Pakistan, that of enduring hostility with Hindu India, is subscribed to by every Pakistani wholeheartedly and they also believe that the PA is the only institution that can be trusted to execute that narrative. That's why there is such a uniform and huge support for terrorism in that country against us because PA approves of it and pursues it. But, elections are slightly different because biradari loyalties come into play.

Mostly feudals became army officers as per the recruitment patterns before (like those Prussian officers) but later when the selection became broadened, even non-feudals joined but soon they became feudals as soon as they became Army officers. So, we get the illusion that you describe.

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Re: Terroristan - April 24, 2018

Postby Bart S » 24 Jul 2018 21:10

https://www.dawn.com/news/1422164/dream-team-for-gibran

The pathetic Dawn newspaper is too cowardly to talk openly about their farce of an election, yet the delusional scum who is their reporter in New Delhi pontificates about a 'dream team' for the Indian election:

Not equipped to name a dream team for Pakistan, let’s attempt one for India. Prime minister, the resolute Mamata Banerjee or Mayawati; home minister a determined Mayawati or Lalu Yadav; finance minister, the peerless Arvind Kejriwal; external affairs minister, Nehru’s heir Rahul Gandhi; defence minister, the fearless Hardik Patel; education minister, the reasonable Pinarayi Vijayan; agriculture minister, the hands-on Jignesh Mevani; information minister — abolish the post. It doesn’t go with a free democracy.


:rotfl:

Apart from the unintended hilarity, it betrays how delusional even the so-called moderates in Pakistan are, especially when it comes to India.

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Re: Terroristan - April 24, 2018

Postby SBajwa » 24 Jul 2018 21:18

yensoy wrote:
Falijee wrote:^^^
-IMO, the Pakistani Army is hand in hand with the Feudals ( specially of Pakjab)
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- There is a lot of inter-marriage between the feudals and the Army families


Falijeejee, I will say that the Feudals and Army (officer cadre) are two sides of the same coin (or racial stock). Note the scant disregard for peasants, labourers (including those working abroad bringing home the $), expendable jihadis and NLI type soldiers.

Pakjabis salivate at the prospect of ruling over Hind again, which essentially is confiscating the property of all and claiming it for themselves, enslaving the population and living off their hard work. The Banglas figured it out in 71. "Earning an honest living" is not in the Pakjabi's vocabulary - the rest of the world owes tribute to them for being so TFTA'd.


When India became independent there were 564 indian principalities. They got together and created a committee under Maharaja of Patiala. They demanded monthly money from government of India in lieu of them collecting taxes from their subjects.

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https://www.gktoday.in/academy/article/ ... -in-india/

"The land ceiling acts define the size of land that an individual/family can own. In India, by 1961-62, all the state governments have passed the land ceiling acts. But the ceiling limits varied from state to state. To bring uniformity across states, a new land ceiling policy was evolved in 1971. In 1972, national guidelines were issued with ceiling limits as 10-18 acres for best land, 18-27 acres for second class land and for the rest with 27-54 acres with a slightly higher limit in the hill and desert areas. Before 1972, the basis of land ceiling was an individual as a unit instead of family. Since 1972, family is considered as the unit of application for land ceilings. And also certain exemptions were allowed for plantations of crops like tea and coffee, Bhoodan Yagya Committees, registered cooperatives, and other bodies."

So all kingdoms/Zamindaris/Nawabs were abolished and thus slowly India started coming out of poverty. This has never happened in Bakistan and neither it will. As their population increase and resources dwindle there will be massive riots, movements (PTM), etc., that will be blamed on India by the Deep State.
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