Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

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Now, Surya a.ka Rehana's life is in real danger, if she has really converted from Islam to Hinduism.
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Javee wrote:
habal wrote:Suhasini Raj, 46?y/o, New York Times delhi reporter and investigative journalist, native of lucknow has started the 5 km trek from pampa to temple. Police team is following her at safe distance so that no guerilla attacks are attempted on her person by 'pious' devotees.

Looks like this will be the first touchdown. She is accompanied by her male colleague who looks like Jeffrey Gettleman, delhi bureau chief of NYT.

She will most likely reach sannidhanam at 8:30 am IST.
Supposedly a Lucknowali, but calls Hanuman a monkey god. There goes her true reporter self.

https://twitter.com/suhasiniraj/status/ ... 46528?s=19
Next these will land at Mecca- > oops non muslims enterign within 90km of Mecca are beheaded.
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Javee wrote:Now, Surya a.ka Rehana's life is in real danger, if she has really converted from Islam to Hinduism.
:rotfl:

But I doubt if that's true.
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Javee wrote:Now, Surya a.ka Rehana's life is in real danger, if she has really converted from Islam to Hinduism.
She is now royally trapped. Her house has been vandalised (which I am not endorsing). There is now pressure mounted on BSNL her employer to sack her. And if she has converted to Hinduism; then all the more better. Islamists would know how to deal with this :rotfl:.
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habal wrote:So if her new id showed her new name 'Surya', police can claim innocence.
No body is going to believe the Kerala Police this time. These women had approached the IG yesterday evening. Don't think the police just looked up their names and decided to give them protection. Rehana Fathima was one of the "Kiss of Love" campaigners. Police officers (there are plenty of them), would have recognized her by her face.
Tantri now threatened to leave the kshetram and lock the kshetram and hand over keys to pandalam royal family if the girls make it anywhere near 18 steps.
That was the only thing he could do. The English and Malayalam media (except one channel which is pro-BJP), were just throwing venom on the devotees and the shrine. But the media of TN, KA etc. were more factual in their reporting. Today's incident is now shown all over South India. Naarth Indian activists, EJs, and Hizzhonors perhaps should also consider that.
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highly unprofessional of the state police and state media to reveal names of the women to public. Surya's aka Rehana Fatima house has been vandalized and her identity and workplace compromised. Poor all-round performance by those who were allowed to leak her info to media. It seems there is no firewalling to secure names from hostile forces.

Since all willing women pigrims have been threatened to compliance, is it a victory ??
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habal wrote:highly unprofessional of the state police and state media to reveal names of the women to public. Surya's aka Rehana Fatima house has been vandalized and her identity and workplace compromised. Poor all-round performance by those who were allowed to leak her info to media. It seems there is no firewalling to secure names from hostile forces.
It was highly "unprofessional" for "activists" to deliberately cause social unrest in Kerala.
Since all willing women pigrims have been threatened to compliance, is it a victory ??
How can a peaceful Satyagraha style protest become a threat?? This is not a question of victory, but for Hindus to believe in their own God in their own way. As I write this there is another X'ian female Mary Sweety, who is now trying to seek entry after becoming an "Ayyappa devotee" over night. How many X'ian womens have became Ayyappa devotees all these while?
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Rangarajan chilkur @csranga

SC judgement Sabarimala case ignored view of nine judge bench State Trading Corporation Ltd v Comm Tax Officer that "all persons" in Art 25(1) includes juristic person & wrongly concluded Sabarimala Deity has no right under Art 25(1) to practice his Naishtika Brahmacharya vratam



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ANI Verified account @ANI 48 minutes ago

We had brought them ((journalist Kavitha Jakkal&woman activist Rehana Fatima) till temple premises but tantri&priest refused to open temple for them. While we were waiting, tantri informed me that if we attempt to take the women ahead they would close the temple: Kerala IG (1/2)
ANI Verified account @ANI 51 minutes ago

It's a ritualistic disaster. We took them up to temple & gave them protection but 'darshan' is something which can be done with consent of priest. We will give them (journalist Kavitha Jakkal&woman activist Rehana Fatima) whatever protection they want: Kerala IG S Sreejith (2/2)
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Sachin wrote:
habal wrote:highly unprofessional of the state police and state media to reveal names of the women to public. Surya's aka Rehana Fatima house has been vandalized and her identity and workplace compromised. Poor all-round performance by those who were allowed to leak her info to media. It seems there is no firewalling to secure names from hostile forces.
It was highly "unprofessional" for "activists" to deliberately cause social unrest in Kerala.
Since all willing women pigrims have been threatened to compliance, is it a victory ??
How can a peaceful Satyagraha style protest become a threat?? This is not a question of victory, but for Hindus to believe in their own God in their own way. As I write this there is another X'ian female Mary Sweety, who is now trying to seek entry after becoming an "Ayyappa devotee" over night. How many X'ian womens have became Ayyappa devotees all these while?
Disingenuous arguments. The SC granted the liberty to worship. Activists acted upon that grant of liberty.
Second, a devotee may not meet your discerning criteria. Does that make them less of one ?
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chetak wrote:


This is Rehana Fatima, the "Aiyappa Devotee". Very secular, indeed.:mrgreen:
Sir please don't post such pics, these are NSFW. You might land others in trouble at their work place. Please post a link and mention it's NSFW if you want to share.
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What!! Why would they try to bring a Muslim women to a Hindu shrine! This is so nuts well I sure hope this act as an eye opener for public and Kerala communist government falls in next election and never comes back to power.
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Karthik S wrote:
chetak wrote:

This is Rehana Fatima, the "Aiyappa Devotee". Very secular, indeed.:mrgreen:
Sir please don't post such pics, these are NSFW. You might land others in trouble at their work place. Please post a link and mention it's NSFW if you want to share.
I see your point, saar but these pictures and many more even graphic ones of this "Aiyappa devotee" are available from newspaper and magazine sources. things can't be more public than that, no??


All these non Hindu devotees, clamouring to gain entry into the Aiyappa Temple after the "SC judgement" are part and parcel of the BIF tukde tukde gang.
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Sir, it's not about her or any other person or even about Sabarimalai. You missed the point. If anyone at work place sees any of us viewing such picture, it can and mostly will be misconstrued and taken in a completely different way. For ex., not everyone will know about that girl above right? They wouldn't know what is going on and what we actually are looking at.
Hope you get the point.
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Sabarimala day 3: Head priest’s ultimatum forces 2 women to return without entering temple


Sabarimala day 3: Head priest’s ultimatum forces 2 women to return without entering temple


Large number of devotees blocked the way of the two women attempting to enter the temple. In a first, the priests stopped their rituals and joined the protest.
Oct 19, 2018
Ramesh Babu Thiruvananthapuram


Amid high drama, two women – a journalist and an activist – were forced to return from within 500 metres of the Sabarimala temple Friday after its chief priest threatened to shut it down if they entered the shrine dedicated to Lord Ayyappa. (Follow live updates here)

Prayer services in the temple were disrupted for the first time with priests boycotting rituals in protest.

“It is a most painful day. I told everyone if women enter the holy steps. I will close temple and I will go back to my house. I am with devotees. I can’t be a part to violation of temple rituals,” Tantri (chief priest) Rajeevaru Kandarau told HT. There are 18 steps that lead to the temple’s sanctum sanctorum.

After the threat of temple closure, police said the two women would be escorted back.


“We have told the female devotees about the situation, they will now be going back. So we are pulling pack. They have decided to return,” inspector general of police S Sreejith

“I have been forced to go back,” said Rehana Fathima, one of the two women.

This is the second successive day that women were denied entry into the temple despite Supreme Court order after two other women including New York Times reporter Suhasini Raj were stopped on Thursday.

As the situation turned grave with devotees and police locked in a tense standoff outside the temple at Sabarimala, protests also erupted in Kochi and Calicut.

The two women – Kavitha Jakkal of Hyderabad based Mojo TV and Rehana Fatima – were stopped a short distance away from the Sabarimala temple. The government had earlier insisted that it would do all that is needed to ensure that women are allowed to offer prayers in line with a Supreme Court order.

The government tried to allay fears of a crackdown against devotees opposing the entry of women saying it would not use force.

Temple affairs minister Kadakampally Surendran also said devotees won’t be forcibly evicted and told the police to avert a showdown.

“Police will not create any issue in Sabarimala and we don’t want a confrontation with you devotees. We are only following the law. I will be discussing with the higher authorities and brief them on the situation,” ANI quoted IGP Sreejith telling devotees.

Police had landed in a quandary after activist Rehana Fathima refused to budge. She insisted that she undertook a 41-day fast and wanted to enter Sabarimala after the Supreme Court verdict of September 28 allowing women of all ages to enter the temple.

Surendran pulled up the police for allowing Fathima to head for the temple which he said was a lapse.

“People of all ages will be allowed to go there. But at the same time we won’t allow it to be a place where activists can come and showcase their power. It can’t be a place where they prove certain points of theirs,’’ Surendran said according to ANI.

Tension soared in the morning with the erstwhile royal family of Pandalam, who are the custodians of the Sabarimala temple, asking the Tantri to close the doors of the shrine as two women headed for the temple under police protection. Protesters squatted on the path leading to the hilltop temple.

The opposition Congress said the government was playing with fire. “The government is giving enough fuel to the Sangh Parivar,” said opposition leader Ramesh Chennithala. “It is committed to protect interest of devotees.”

The state unit of the BJP which is backing the devotees also waded into the imbroglio, seeking action against police officials who “enacted a drama hurting religious feelings of devotees which led to disruption of temple rituals”.

By noon, the day’s event took a communal turn over Fathima’s faith. K Surendran, general secretary of the BJP’s Kerala unit asked the Muslim community to desist from such moves.

“It is a move against Hindus,” said Surendran.

He also demanded action against the IGP after one of the two women was seen in police riot gear.

“How was a woman was given police uniform? It is a violation of the Police Act. The government should take action IGP Sreejith for enacting a dirty drama,” Surendran said.


Earlier, Kavitha and Fathima started their journey at 6.50 am amid heavy rain under police protection from Pambha, the base of the hilltop temple, police said.

“The highest court has given the green signal. My trip is to uphold women’s rights” she said.

But for Kaviitha and Fathima, Sabarimala remained a temple too far.

First Published: Oct 19, 2018
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chetak wrote:
Rangarajan chilkur @csranga

SC judgement Sabarimala case ignored view of nine judge bench State Trading Corporation Ltd v Comm Tax Officer that "all persons" in Art 25(1) includes juristic person & wrongly concluded Sabarimala Deity has no right under Art 25(1) to practice his Naishtika Brahmacharya vratam



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Slightly going off track, here. But still some forum members might be interested in the arcane aspects of law. The STC majority decision did label a bundle of Articles of the Constitution (25 to 30) as dealing with fundamental rights which includes the 'right to property'. However a subsequent ruling of the SC by a bigger number ruled that the 'right to property' is not a fundamental right. Unfortunately the lawyers arguing for continuation of a tradition did not stress adequately on the property rights of a juristic person. Because if we agree that the deity in Sabarimala is a juristic person he is entitled to own and enjoy property belonging to him. Such a ownership right includes prohibition of 'outsiders' trespassing into the property. If I own a house I can decide who can come in and who cannot. Denying the right to admission cannot be challenged on grounds of discrimination. Such a denial is just intrinsic to the notion of ownership rights. Clubs deny admission to someone not conforming to its dress code. Hotel reserve for themselves who they would admit and who they would not. So too the Pandalam royal family and the Head Priest of the temple are trustees acting on behalf the deity in exercising the rights of ownership of the property belonging to the deity.
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chetak wrote: I see your point, saar but these pictures and many more even graphic ones of this "Aiyappa devotee" are available from newspaper and magazine sources. things can't be more public than that, no??


All these non Hindu devotees, clamouring to gain entry into the Aiyappa Temple after the "SC judgement" are part and parcel of the BIF tukde tukde gang.
chetak, who are we to judge ?

She may be freespirited and freewheeling and that is why she converted to hindu faith. Now if people insist on calling her rehana fatima, she is getting no support from her new co-religionists.

You have a problem with women entering sabarimala, but do not dilute your original argument by making character attacks. Who are we to sit in judgement of someone's character ? Hope you take a minute to think it out before typing your response.
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There is only one word for these people - Hindu haters and no wonder they belong to certain religion or political party or ideology...and this is no secret. What is sad is all the maculates Hindu do not have the courage to stand up to the injustice even in intellectual arguments. Someone is worried about not looking good or sounding right...all small people with ego much more bigger than that self..high opinion of themselves but utterly laking in sense of Dhrama/conviction/purpose...thooo
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Before 91 women used to enter sabarimala without much issues. At that time only 5000-10000 people would have visited the shrine each year. So if Lord Ayyappan had to run away, he would have done so long ago.

If Left front govt was REALLY SERIOUS about implementing court order:

1. Route would have been sanitized.

2. Mobile network switched off.

3. Media cameras disallowed to accompany.

4. Early morning or late evening darshan for femen with police bandobust.

What happened was just an elaborate charade by Left Front govt to show to public that they tried, provoke devotees by such open parade, and put any backlash on RSS/BJP.

IGP Sreejith stands in contempt of court by not thinking through all the hurdles and playing his part in this elaborate farce. If tantri is unwilling then he can convey this info to public beforehand instead of creating big media circus, raising temperature and then going damp squib by crying, 'lookie lookie, the priest does not cooperate onlee, what to do onlee'.

What Sachin says is spot on, the Left Front govt has suspiscions of their malabar vote bank leaving them in droves, and thus this daily drama and parading of some silly women.
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https://youtu.be/D1USkSQwENs?t=1140

Looks like Supreme Court conveniently ignored Indian religious laws went with making as if it is secular public place where all citizens can enjoy rights. Anti-Hindu groups (petitioners), Anti-Hindu Kerala Government (who wants to eliminate Hindus from temple boards), and Supreme court (with Colonial hang-overs and Oxford definitions) screwed Hindus big time by trampling on their religious rights. BJP may also be complicit or fishing for goodies in this listening at contradictory statements from some Central people.

Hindus are pushed to take harder and violent steps to fight back.
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habal wrote:Before 91 women used to enter sabarimala without much issues. At that time only 5000-10000 people would have visited the shrine each year. So if Lord Ayyappan had to run away, he would have done so long ago.
I don't think women of prime age went to temple before. This is known even in 80s in my town in Andhra where I witnessed thousands of swamis. There may be leak of women visitors as no one would check ID cards for age.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 005416.ece
‘Customs must be followed’

The Kerala government urged the Court to consider the assertion made in 1991 by the then Sabarimala Thanthri Sri Neelakandaru that women belonging to the 10 to 50 age group were prohibited from entering the temple even before 1950.


*1950 may be significant because Indian law restricts violation of religious practices as practiced at the time of Independence
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One more person goes on ignore list!!
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Maharaja & Maharani of travancore accompanied by their divan visited the temple in 1940. Imagine a queen in all her royal splendor and trappings. Wonder what Lord Ayyappan thought about that. Similarly there would have been many instances when similarly powerful people with women would have visited.

Now imagine film actress Rekha, who is above 50. Will any man not stumble at least once if you come across her in full makeup ??

Or let's say Monica Belluci 53 Image, Salma Hayek 51

Image to hinduism and proceed to sabarimala wearing black (making them even hotter), deity rakshak checks id and finds both above 50. Now what ??

These rules are all made up by humans, who wish to keep control in their hands at any cost. And have brainwashed a large number of people to surrender their freedom and act similarly narrow-minded. And women who used to skip a visit did so due to their own devotion. Forcing them to skip the pilgrimage is abuse and degradation. And as you have seen, it is not as if lakhs of women are waiting to visit anyway. At most a hundred odd may visit each season.
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habal wrote:
chetak wrote: I see your point, saar but these pictures and many more even graphic ones of this "Aiyappa devotee" are available from newspaper and magazine sources. things can't be more public than that, no??


All these non Hindu devotees, clamouring to gain entry into the Aiyappa Temple after the "SC judgement" are part and parcel of the BIF tukde tukde gang.
chetak, who are we to judge ?

She may be freespirited and freewheeling and that is why she converted to hindu faith. Now if people insist on calling her rehana fatima, she is getting no support from her new co-religionists.

You have a problem with women entering sabarimala, but do not dilute your original argument by making character attacks. Who are we to sit in judgement of someone's character ? Hope you take a minute to think it out before typing your response.
This is a Hindu temple. I have no problems with Hindu's entering the temple.

This is a place for worship and of believers and not meant for tourism. One cannot be selective in their belief and claim that I am not a Hindu but I am a devotee of Ayyappan. It is like saying "slightly pregnant" No one can be "slightly pregnant". either she is or she isn't. It has to be one or the other.

It is a matter of the Hindu faith and the Hindu faith alone. There are approx two million or more Hindu temples in India. Of these, I understand that there are only less than 10 that restrict/do not allow entry of women and less than 12 that restrict/do not allow entry of men.

There is absolutely no cause for ANY interference, from ANY quarter.

No ones fundamental rights have been trampled upon.

If it is Ayyappan darshan that they want, there is the Achankovil Sree Dharmasastha Temple near Travancore, where he is depicted in the form of a married man with two wives, Poorna and Pushkala, for example. All females are free to enter.

There are also a many other Ayyappan temples where he is not in the naishtika brahmachari form. Females enter freely there too.

If you are saying the deity in sabarimala is in the 'Naishtika Brahmachari' form (unfailing celibate), then the crude attempt to change the very nature of the deity itself is reprehensible and the so called "activists" have no business here.

It was never about menstruation or impure women at all but it was ONLY about about fertility. BIF has purposely put out a motivated propaganda that it only was about menstruation or impure women.

The Attukal Bhagavathy Temple in Kerala is one where males are not allowed. Do you see anyone making a noise about it??
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habal wrote:Maharaja & Maharani of travancore accompanied by their divan visited the temple in 1940. Imagine a queen in all her royal splendor and trappings. Wonder what Lord Ayyappan thought about that. Similarly there would have been many instances when similarly powerful people with women would have visited.

Now imagine film actress Rekha, who is above 50. Will any man not stumble at least once if you come across her in full makeup ??

These rules are all made up by humans, who wish to keep control in their hands at any cost. And have brainwashed a large number of people to surrender their freedom and act similarly narrow-minded. And women who used to skip a visit did so due to their own devotion. Forcing them to skip the pilgrimage is abuse and degradation. And as you have seen, it is not as if lakhs of women are waiting to visit anyway. At most a hundred odd may visit each season.
The royal family has vehemently denied this canard.
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habal wrote:Maharaja & Maharani of travancore accompanied by their divan visited the temple in 1940. Imagine a queen in all her royal splendor and trappings. Wonder what Lord Ayyappan thought about that. Similarly there would have been many instances when similarly powerful people with women would have visited.

Now imagine film actress Rekha, who is above 50. Will any man not stumble at least once if you come across her in full makeup ??

These rules are all made up by humans, who wish to keep control in their hands at any cost. And have brainwashed a large number of people to surrender their freedom and act similarly narrow-minded. And women who used to skip a visit did so due to their own devotion. Forcing them to skip the pilgrimage is abuse and degradation. And as you have seen, it is not as if lakhs of women are waiting to visit anyway. At most a hundred odd may visit each season.
So what. At a secular/broader level all rules are man made. Out of Dhimmitude, this is NOT a secular or government place where citizens can avail their rights. Government and Judiciary are involved because they screwed Hindus from British time by taking control of their worships.

Any religious rules should be for and made by real practitioners/devotees only and in this case rule-making should be with Devotees, Pujaris, and temple owners (Royal family).

Also, this is one temple where such Acharyam/Niyamam/rule exists and also no one does Mandala Deeksha for any other temple. All Ayyappa temples and Ayyappa shrines with in the other God/Godess temples are open to women. If there is discrimination, it has to be across the board to even consider it. This whole mumbo-jumbo discrimination test fails if you visit 100 other temples.
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habal wrote:Maharaja & Maharani of travancore accompanied by their divan visited the temple in 1940. Imagine a queen in all her royal splendor and trappings. Wonder what Lord Ayyappan thought about that. Similarly there would have been many instances when similarly powerful people with women would have visited.

Now imagine film actress Rekha, who is above 50. Will any man not stumble at least once if you come across her in full makeup ??

Or let's say Monica Belluci 53, Salma Hayek 51 convert to hinduism and proceed to sabarimala wearing black (making them even hotter), deity rakshak checks id and finds both above 50. Now what ??

These rules are all made up by humans, who wish to keep control in their hands at any cost. And have brainwashed a large number of people to surrender their freedom and act similarly narrow-minded. And women who used to skip a visit did so due to their own devotion. Forcing them to skip the pilgrimage is abuse and degradation. And as you have seen, it is not as if lakhs of women are waiting to visit anyway. At most a hundred odd may visit each season.
Where exactly is the sanctioned or approved or accepted religious process to convert to Hinduism??

There is none because Hinduism does not proselytize and has no such process.
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chetak wrote: The royal family has vehemently denied this canard.
ofcourse they will.
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habal wrote:
chetak wrote: The royal family has vehemently denied this canard.
ofcourse they will.
wow, really??
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chetak wrote: Where exactly is the sanctioned or approved or accepted religious process to convert to Hinduism??

There is none because Hinduism does not proselytize and has no such process.
Not proslytize, but they approach you. Will you refuse ?
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habal wrote:
chetak wrote: Where exactly is the sanctioned or approved or accepted religious process to convert to Hinduism??

There is none because Hinduism does not proselytize and has no such process.
Not proslytize, but they approach you. Will you refuse ?
Yes I will.

No two ways about it.

I am not a hypocrite to object to conversions on the one hand and to convert someone on the other.

BTW, this is way off topic. I am out.
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Indulge me then ! What if a foreigner approach arya samaj and they accept her ? Then, is one considered a hindu or not ?
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Aditya_V wrote:
Next these will land at Mecca- > oops non muslims enterign within 90km of Mecca are beheaded.
I actually got a picture of this Commie Suhasini Raj with Yechuri. MSM like New York times usually employs Commies or closet Commies.
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in Hinduism you are never a "Non Hindu" so karma and all laws apply to everyone.
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keelhauler wrote:
Sachin wrote: It was highly "unprofessional" for "activists" to deliberately cause social unrest in Kerala.


How can a peaceful Satyagraha style protest become a threat?? This is not a question of victory, but for Hindus to believe in their own God in their own way. As I write this there is another X'ian female Mary Sweety, who is now trying to seek entry after becoming an "Ayyappa devotee" over night. How many X'ian womens have became Ayyappa devotees all these while?
Disingenuous arguments. The SC granted the liberty to worship. Activists acted upon that grant of liberty.
Second, a devotee may not meet your discerning criteria. Does that make them less of one ?
Courts did not ask the police to hide their identity either. :rotfl:
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habal wrote:Maharaja & Maharani of travancore accompanied by their divan visited the temple in 1940. Imagine a queen in all her royal splendor and trappings. Wonder what Lord Ayyappan thought about that. Similarly there would have been many instances when similarly powerful people with women would have visited. .
Do you have any proof of this or just trolling?
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Was passing from palakad to malapuram today via road. Saw big RSS gatherings today in both districts in evening. Cadres were being carted in Trucks. Probably routine. But sight was reassuring.
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keelhauler wrote:Disingenuous arguments. The SC granted the liberty to worship. Activists acted upon that grant of liberty.
Second, a devotee may not meet your discerning criteria. Does that make them less of one ?
keelhauler, thanks for your participation for just the third time in over 8 years. Do it a lot more and in other threads too.

Now, Sachin's argument is not disingenuous if you consider that there is no 'your' or 'my' criteria for a devotee to Shabarimala. There is a very long-standing code. May be you are not aware of that.
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Javee wrote:
habal wrote:Maharaja & Maharani of travancore accompanied by their divan visited the temple in 1940. Imagine a queen in all her royal splendor and trappings. Wonder what Lord Ayyappan thought about that. Similarly there would have been many instances when similarly powerful people with women would have visited. .
Do you have any proof of this or just trolling?
hearsay,
http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/ ... 44942.html
THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: Contrary to the claims of supporters of the ban on women’s entry at Sabarimala, former top bureaucrat T K A Nair on Thursday revealed that his mother had visited the hill shrine sometime in 1940.Nair, former principal secretary to the then Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, said his family visited the temple as advised by the head of the Pandalam royal family. “I was only a few months old then. My parents took me to the shrine to perform my ‘choroonu’ (a baby’s first rice eating ceremony).

I was later told that the group comprised my parents, maternal uncle and a Kani tribesman,” Nair told Express. Nair was born in November 1939 and the visit was sometime before next November as per the custom. He said his mother was in her youths during the visit. At present, entry of women in the 10-50 age group is banned at the shrine.

First three children born to Nair’s parents had died as infants. “During that time people used to visit the royal family chief for spiritual advise. The chief advised my father to perform my ‘choroonu’ ritual at the shrine for my healthy life,” Nair said.His parents christened him T K Ayyappankutty Nair, in benevolence to Lord Ayyappa, presiding deity of the Sabarimala temple. 78-year-old Nair said he does not know the details of the visit. “Perhaps my mother entered the temple through the Malikappuram gate, avoiding the holy 18 steps reserved for those who observe the 41-day abstinence,” he says.
If it is of any comfort to you Rahul Easwar has denied all these allegations from 1940s.

https://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/ ... iffer.html
S. Chandrika, former Devaswom Commissioner, Travancore Devaswom Board, had in the same case told the court that the restriction is there only during Mandalam, Makaravilakku and Vishu. The court was also told that even while the old customs prevailed, women used to visit the temple though very rarely. The Maharaja of Travancore accompanied by the Maharani and the Divan had visited the temple in 1940.
here is another one with photo

https://m.timesofindia.com/city/kochi/t ... 001604.cms
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