Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

[Dileep]

I think the "media blackout" was a baseless rumour. The bigh three TV channels had to vacate the place, because they were afraid of being manhandled. Janam TV and the online sources are there all the time.

Let me do a Dr. Shiv imitation here:

There were two remarkable verdicts by the Hon. SC recently.

1. There was a law making the entry of women of age 10-50 to Sabarimala illegal. This is struck down by the SC.
2. There was a law making extra marital affairs illegal. This is struck down by the SC.

Two laws that made two activities illegal are struck down by the SC. The govt of kerala is hell bent to make sure that the first verdict is "implemented" by assisting people to conduct the activity that the law forbade.

Then why the hell the Kerala police do not do the same with the second law?

[Prasad]

AM Singhvi actually did a good job defending the Temple in the SC. Weird I know but he did. As did others like Parasaran and Sai Deepak.

[UlanBatori]

Exclusion is not discrimination. Otherwise there are hundreds or perhaps thousands of boys only/girls only schools. The same rule applies for them too. Every argument liberals throw for sabrimala applies to these schools. Apparently for them faith is more important than education?

I am glad the SC arguments were made with more thought.. but apparently not enough thought. I am sure there are many who might say: "I WANT TO BE ALLOWED TO SIT IN THE 12th GRADE CLASSROOM AT St. Ayesha's!!!" but none who want to get their curricular education and take exams there.
IMO the lawyers for the "Deity" went to the SC knowing fully well their chances like the Light Brigade going in at Crimea, which is why they tried to make up for that with tele/audiogenic oratory and showmanship. The other side simply had to show one point:

Right to Worship at Public Places of Worship

Which brings up another interesting point:

Sasikumara Varma, said his family has the right to give a direction to the thantri to close down the temple “Those who have doubt about the power of the family can inspect the documents. The thantri had accepted the direction realising our right to do so,”. he said.

Oh! So the Power Of The Family comes from the legal validity of those Documents. IOW, something approved by the SC. Why would that be valid? Do they accept SC authority only selectively?

The trouble with closing down Mala is that it leaves a huge commercial enterprise including thousands of tax-paying Malloostan small businesspeople, without customers. The pressure will be immense, to take over the entire enterprise by the (commie) govt. With Pinnarayi changing to Tantri from Mantri.

[UlanBatori]

Wow! Dileepji, I c where the campaign to withhold donations is coming from.

Hope they spread this wide, and then bring out the list of demands along with it:
1. Demand that any staff cuts in the temples come only after cutting 90% of admin costs and all perks.

2. Fire the Boards, reconstitute them with approval of each member by ????? (Rajnikant? Royal Families? Whom can Malloo yindoos trust who is not a politician-by-profession?) Make the members go through a Televised Committee Hearing a la Kavanaugh tamasha.

3. Get a competent Review Petition filed on Sabarimala.

4. Local autonomy for temples. Loca Boards likewise vetted to weed out the commies, isloos, palli-pata etc.
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Follow that up QUICKLY with the charter of demands recently put up by Yindoos in Dilli. This looks like Magna Carta time, from the Macaulayite texts...

[UlanBatori]

Restrict entry to True Devotees, says new PIL
No comment.

Meanwhile, SC is busy!
The Supreme Court will take the decision on hearing the 19 review petitions pending before it in the Sabarimala temple case tomorrow. The gates for the hill shrine in Kerala will be closed on Monday evening, after five days of monthly pooja, during which no women aged between 10 and 50 was allowed inside the temple premises by protesters in violation of the SC order.

That oughta take them until Year 2058, by when all the Petitioners of the present ruling will be over 50 and hence the ruling becomes moot, null and void (by my vast knawlidj of legal jargon).

[UlanBatori]

Meanwhile, for the Real Rulers of Malloostan, Justice takes it usual course

An act of Gawd/His Holiness the Pontiff?
{Found dead in his room. No (visible) injuries, but vomitted and had blood pressure medication nearby} Tsk, tsk! Act of Gawd, obviously. If the Polis wait another few years, ALL the witnesses will be dead. Then the case can be shifted to Dera St. Petros Khan.

[UlanBatori]

The reason why Dilli does not take Malloo Yindoos seriously can be seen from the news reports:

Bindu (Zero), Dalit Activist, made the arduous trek (by KSRTC bus). When the KSRTC bus reached Pampa, (yindootva extremists) stopped the bus and forced her to alight from the bus, at which point the Polis escorted her in a jeep back to Nilackal.

The Taliban would have forced EVERYONE to alight, and machine-gunned them all.
The Naxalites would have chopped off the heads of half the passengers, and shot the driver.
The Shiv Sena would have beaten up all the passengers and broken the bus windows.
The Karnataka Rajnikanth Fans would have burned the bus with the passengers still inside.
The Khalistanis would have simply loaded a suitcase filled with Pakistani RDX on the bus.

Instead, the pompous papparazzi ask Inspecteure Sreejith:
Where eez Law and Odor? Despite CRPC144 these yindoos are gathering and preventing wimmens from going to SM, and violating Supreme Court verdict! Bhat eej polis doing onlee?

Well... to their credit, the Polis told the papparazzi that if they stayed on, they were on their own.
"Is that TV camera really insured, hain? "

And you see! They got the message instantly. The reporting has improved vastly.

[Sachin]

I think the "media blackout" was a baseless rumour. The bigh three TV channels had to vacate the place, because they were afraid of being manhandled. Janam TV and the online sources are there all the time.

The "media blackout" was just an excuse for the "down hill sking" of certain main stream news channels from Sabari Mala. They jolly well knew (or the police told them) that they would be given a solid bashing up once the temple closes for the day. The main stream media of Kerala had got a solid beating from the advocates, and this round may have been more severe than that.

The trouble with closing down Mala is that it leaves a huge commercial enterprise including thousands of tax-paying Malloostan small businesspeople, without customers. The pressure will be immense, to take over the entire enterprise by the (commie) govt. With Pinnarayi changing to Tantri from Mantri.

The commercial "pinch" has already been felt by the government and the "Devaswom Board" who have acknowledged a dip in the revenue from the temple. I don't know about the Pandalam Royal family, but the family of the chief priest (Thantri) is not going to have any financial loss even if the temple shuts down. The chief priest Kandarararu Rajeevaararu is a bank employee and gets his pay cheque every month. Plus, they are also the chief priests of many other Ayyappa temples in India (Jalahalli Ayyappa temple at Bengaluru for example). With the bold stand he has taken his credentials have now got a better grading. The losers would be the local traders at Sabari Mala (many of them would be X'ians) and the Kerala Govt. If the temple gets "taken over" by the communists, they will have to appoint folks like Aanathalavattararu Anandaru or Kaviyararu Sudhakararu as the chief priests. They are immensely popular, so things should go back to normal.

PS: After all the Poojas and other ritual activities, Sabari Mala is now closed. During this "pilgrimage season" no fraud Ayyappa devotee managed to reach the holy shrine. "Activists" who tried had to beat a hasty retreat. "Secular Progressive" main stream media crew posted at Sabari Mala had to vacate the place. This is a "Jallikattu" moment for KL.

[UlanBatori]

Why are the poojaris' names Kannada-sounding? (or is it Telugu?)
The popular Resistance has won. Wonderful.
But unless this is capitalized into a political/social tsunami, the historical prospects are bad:

1.

Though leaderless when it first began, it was the first major threat to (communist) control...
The revolt began as a student protest, which attracted thousands as they marched through XXXX to the (XXXXXX), calling out on the streets using a van with loudspeakers. A student delegation, entering the radio building to try to broadcast the students' demands, was detained. When the delegation's release was demanded by the protesters outside, they were fired upon from within the building by the State Security Police, known as (XXXXXX) literally "State Protection Authority"). One student died and was wrapped in a flag and held above the crowd. This was the start of the revolution. As the news spread, disorder and violence erupted throughout the capital.

The revolt spread quickly across XXXXX, and the government collapsed. Thousands organised into militias, battling the XXX and (central) troops. ... communists and XXX members were often executed or imprisoned, and former political prisoners were released and armed. Radical impromptu XXX councils wrested municipal control from the ruling xxxx Party and demanded political changes. A new government formally disbanded the xxxxx declared its intention to withdraw from the xxxxx and pledged to re-establish free elections. By the end of October, fighting had almost stopped, and a sense of normality began to return.

After announcing a willingness to negotiate a withdrawal of xxx forces, the Politburo changed its mind and moved to crush the revolution. On 4 November, a large xxxx force invaded xxxx and other regions ... The ... resistance continued until 10 November. Over 2,500 xxxxx and 700 xxx troops were killed in the conflict, and 200,000xxxx fled as refugees. Mass arrests and denunciations continued for months thereafter. By January , the new xxxx government had suppressed all public opposition. These .. actions, while strengthening control ..., alienated many xxx Marxists, leading to splits and/or considerable losses of membership for communist parties in capitalist states. (But the promises of external help didn't amount to diddly: they just watched the revolutionaries get tortured to death)
Public discussion about the revolution was suppressed xxxxx for more than 30 years....

The students called for democracy, greater accountability, freedom of the press, and freedom of speech, though they were loosely organized and their goals varied. At the height of the protests, about 1 million people assembled in the xxxxx.

As the protests developed, the authorities veered back and forth between conciliatory and hardline tactics, exposing deep divisions within the party leadership.[9] By May, a student-led hunger strike galvanized support for the demonstrators around the country and the protests spread to some 400 cities.[10] Ultimately, (XXXXX's) paramount leader xxxxx and other Communist Party elders believed the protests to be a political threat, and resolved to use force.The State Council declared martial law on May 20, and mobilized as many as 300,000 troops to xxxx. The troops suppressed the protests by firing at demonstrators with automatic weapons, killing multiple protesters and leading to mass civil unrest in the days following. XXXXX declared martial law. In what became known as the XXXX Massacre, troops with automatic rifles and tanks fired at the demonstrators trying to block the military's advance towards XXXXXX. The number of civilian deaths has been estimated variously from 180 to 10,454.

The xxxx government was internationally denounced for the violent military response to the protests. Western countries imposed severe economic sanctions and arms embargoes on xxxxx entities and officials. In response, the xxxx government verbally attacked the protestors and denounced Western nations who had imposed sanctions on xxxxx by accusing them of interference in xxxx internal affairs, which elicited heavier condemnation by the West. It made widespread arrests of protesters and their supporters, suppressed other protests around xxxx, expelled foreign journalists, strictly controlled coverage of the events in the domestic press, strengthened the police and internal security forces, and demoted or purged officials it deemed sympathetic to the protests.

[Sachin]

Why are the poojaris' names Kannada-sounding? (or is it Telugu?)

This is (or was) Travancore, and the Poojaris are addressed differently. It is very different from the usual naming style we hear at "Cochin Kingdom".

[vijayk]

There is NO way people DONOT know. The people who go to Sabarimala and priets/people who do irumudi for swamis know the Sabarimala procedures well. Whole eco-system of Mandala Deeksha is well known in places in AP, mostly temple towns, for long time (even before some 1991 judgement comment some smart person brought out here.).

I agree. The customs of Sabarimala are too well known in the other southern states. And, they claim to be on a pilgrimage to Kerala and were unaware of the great churn there and the reasons for that?

Thanks. I don't know how the local media outlets covered the "Sabari Mala" incident. I am sure in Karnataka, people are now aware as the Chief Minister himself made a statement, stating that traditions should continue. But my contacts in AP/TS are very less. AP/TS also has a strong presence of the Naxals (urban and rural, included) who may now try their tricks at Sabari Mala. I was worried that there could be a misunderstanding of the religious practises at Sabari Mala, but I take that even there Guru Swamis etc. clearly know the practises. So any attempts from people from AP/TS also needs to be considered as a deliberate attempt to desecrate the temple.

AP and TS people are great devotees of Ayyappa swamy. Even my sisters Hyderabad heard about that Rehman lady via whatsapp. They all know what's going on. But unfortunately they can't connect all the dots (judiciary/Evangelicals NGOs-CON party/COMMIE nexus). But they know that Kerala COMMIE scums are behind this.

[ShyamSP]

Why are the poojaris' names Kannada-sounding? (or is it Telugu?)

This is (or was) Travancore, and the Poojaris are addressed differently. It is very different from the usual naming style we hear at "Cochin Kingdom".

May be they are Telugu'ized names like some castes names also.

Sabarimala Tantri name Rajee "varu"
Iyer - "Ayya varu"/"Arya varu" (Varu - that person/group in Telugu)
Iyengar - "Ayya Garu" (Garu - Gauravaneeyulu - respectable person/group in Telugu)
Naicker - "Naidu - Nayakudu" (Nayak - leader)

[ramana]

In end all are Gultis!

Where is the bow icon!!!

[UlanBatori]

I think ex-RehanaBibi should have been gracefully welcomed to Ghar Vapasi, a pot of holy (go-P) water poured on her head, and she should have been given a list of temples to visit. Still time to do it in style.

[UlanBatori]

In end all are Gultis!
Where is the bow icon!!!

The other din I was listening to Satyanarayana Pooja in a Telugu-Malloo family by a Telugu priest, and it hit me that Telugu and Malloostani have both evolved directly from Samskrtam, just replaced different words with other local words.

[ShyamSP]

This is (or was) Travancore, and the Poojaris are addressed differently. It is very different from the usual naming style we hear at "Cochin Kingdom".

May be they are Telugu'ized names like some castes names also.

Sabarimala Tantri name Rajee "varu"
Iyer - "Ayya varu"/"Arya varu" (Varu - that person/group in Telugu)
Iyengar - "Ayya Garu" (Garu - Gauravaneeyulu - respectable person/group in Telugu)
Naicker - "Naidu - Nayakudu" (Nayak - leader)

Nair - possibly shortened from "Nayaka Varu"

The other din I was listening to Satyanarayana Pooja in a Telugu-Malloo family by a Telugu priest, and it hit me that Telugu and Malloostani have both evolved directly from Samskrtam, just replaced different words with other local words.

Telugu = Telugu + Samskrutam
For poetic expression Telugus can pick any word in Telugu and Samkrutam. Vast vocabulary and rounding wording/expressions (Vibhaktulu) made it favorable for musical lyrics in South India.

Maybe same case with Malayalam but I see that they can't pronounce some letters/sounds (Jesudas is reference) and Tamil has even more limited sounds (Ka Kha Ga Gha has single Akshram Pa & Ba are interchangeable)

[UlanBatori]

Meanwhile Malloo Faithfool have filed some incredibly and I mean incredibly incompetent Review Petition(s) b4 the SC. Must have hired their local Good Yindoo Phamily Son hu is Practising B4 Supreme Court after due payments. Guaranteed to get tossed with prejudice by hizzoners. I wonder what is the strategy behind this. Too deep for me. Reminds me of the grand statement

I will BURY you in the ICY FIRE of my anger..

Full of hyper - bole.
Reading this it is EZ to c y the original petishunners hired a Muslim shyster. Bugger could at least write, one hopes. Clearly, deep arguments and logic were not needed because their Honners go to sleep at the first line of these.

[ShyamSP]

Meanwhile Malloo Faithfool have filed some incredibly and I mean incredibly incompetent Review Petition(s) b4 the SC. Must have hired their local Good Yindoo Phamily Son hu is Practising B4 Supreme Court after due payments. Guaranteed to get tossed with prejudice by hizzoners. I wonder what is the strategy behind this. Too deep for me. Reminds me of the grand statement

I will BURY you in the ICY FIRE of my anger..

Full of hyper - bole.
Reading this it is EZ to c y the original petishunners hired a Muslim shyster. Bugger could at least write, one hopes. Clearly, deep arguments and logic were not needed because their Honners go to sleep at the first line of these.

https://bangaloremirror.indiatimes.com/ ... 307412.cms

May be they need to file petitions in Malayalam. CM Kumarswamy is rightly beinging Kannada in Adminstration and Judiciary.

Malayam-speaking Cocunuts-carrying Half-naked black lungi people can't compete with Queen-English trained elites (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U0Nzv3x6Fk). SC judges are well trained in subtleties of denominations with immediate access to Oxford dictionaries and English law to overlord native "occult" practitioners.

[UlanBatori]

It's not that the fellow doesn't know Angreji. He starts out abusing TheirHonners with ultra-hyperbole, then basically says:

We consider ur judgement to be inapplicable to us, invalid, and so we are flouting it, and because of that there is likely to be breakdown of law and order and violence, and we have lost faith in the judiciary and r saying to u. Fundamental rights of etc etc of millions of devotees are all violated by the Majority Judgement and this is Unbelievable. Majesty, Honor, Dignity, Sovirginity of the Highest Court has been violated by Judgement passed by u dumbasses. ..

etc etc for pages and pages. Guaranteed to get sympathy from TheirHonners, no doubt. Like painting "Kick Me!" on the butts of the Petitioners.

[hnair]

In end all are Gultis!

Where is the bow icon!!!

ramana, as a senior admin, would request you to please stop introducing this sort of crap in this thread - in the end, we are all ayyappas and malikappurams. Nothing more and nothing less will get our views heard

[hnair]

UB-sir, I was off doing whatever I do on the ground. But all your data points on Airborne/National Guard/Hizzoners etc are wrong in the context of India. This is a society whose elites has not gone around dressed in sheets, when our Maharaja came up with his Temple Entry Proclamation.

Here is what YOUR Maharaja did to my great grandpa(an early financial sponsor of Sree Narayana Guru and Chattampi Swamigal), who did and yet went on to fund shrines for Sree Narayana Guru.

link to article

And yet two years later, the maharaja of Travancore stunned Malayali society by going ahead with “sweeping change”. On his birthday in 1936, the ruler, alarmed by threats of a mass exodus of Dalits from Hinduism, proclaimed temple entry for all castes. While within his state sheer determination held the peace, retaliation from the orthodoxy in wider Kerala was furious. The maharaja of Cochin banned Travancore priests from serving in his lands, going “to the extent of declaring the whole people of Travancore as untouchables”. The Zamorin in British-ruled Malabar expressed his censure, refusing to yield even as late as 1942. Indeed, in Travancore itself, the maharaja’s own aunt ceased visiting their principal shrine where Dalits now had open access. But having taken his decision—albeit to consolidate the Hindu community—the ruler was immovable. When in the temple town of Suchindram, for instance, locals refused to participate in a chariot festival due to low-caste presence, his chief minister, Sir C.P. Ramaswamy Iyer, a Brahmin, lent his own hands to the chariot, making a clear statement.

So take it from an untouchable - the learned judges love drama and they are watching. No airborne troops are coming. Just Sagav Pinarayi Vijayan landing back from Gelf with a sheepish look

[fanne]

Now that the Sabarimala episode has passed (for now), thanks to Mallus (Nari shakti + Nar Shakti) and assorted other devotees, let me take a stock of the political situation. (And I am a bellwether person - I have always scored perfect neutral in many different types of tests - Myers-Briggs, AVA, ETC.) - In Kerela, BJP may or may not have gained (the news is that they organized all those rallies), but at a national level, among BJP supporters there is sense of disbelief and unease - BJP trying to play politics with our God/belief (and did not bring ordinance, uttered nothing when all of BJP base through out India was rivetted. Only comment was Mr. Ram Madhav saying how a dog tracked to Sabarimala and various happy Birthday pouring for Amit shah). If Manu SANGHVI is able to move the Judges in favor of Sabarimala and cong plays that out, mind my words, that maybe the start of BJP loosing 2019. No matter of development, and BJP planning booth will help.
The way out, subtly play out your positive contribution in this event. Whatever instruction center gave to KL govt that helped the pilgrims (and against the GOKL planning any push). Please visit the temple before RG does (visit even if it is closed). If you act smart, say it is sub judice….then be ready to loose 2019. And please shut any mouth piece justifying women entry or judges verdict or your inaction.

[hnair]

Despite my deep (DEEP) disappointment with the judgement, the article I posted above, is right - at some point, there has to be a change, but then like a prominent person (who is nowadays not kosher in this forum, but provides valuable, actionable strategy points) said below "Change has to come from inside" after due preparation of the ground

(Excerpt from an exchange by someone who kind of used to deal with 82nd airbornes and colonial wigs on a daily basis talking to a card-carrying macauylite of another community

"As to Vaikom, I think you shall let the Hindus do the work. It is they who have to purify themselves. You can help by your sympathy and your pen, but not by organizing the Movement and certainly not by offering Satyagraha. If you refer to the Congress resolution of Nagpur, it calls upon the Hindu Members to remove the curse of untouchability.
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All reforms to be sincere and lasting must come from within."

- From Gandhiji's letter to George Joseph on 6 April 1924

Background
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George Joseph viewed the struggle at Vaikom an issue of civil rights for all Indian citizens but this was in contrast to the views of most Congressmen who saw it as purely an issue between high and low caste Hindus and to be settled by the Hindus themselves. Gandhi himself did not encourage Joseph's participation in the satyagraha.

[UlanBatori]

(BTW, no sympathy 4 Kochi MR). Way out may be what many Malloo wimmens are saying:
1) SC had to say what it did: if they had said otherwise it would have been very scary.
2) "Right" to go there should be given, however, strict ADVISE that doing so is very sacrilegious. Any benefits of going there, nullified by curses 2 b expected. Many are simply terrified of consequences (not from saffron mob: but from ATM).
3) This means that temple should ease the hard hangup that entry of 1 wimmens will pollute entire place, trigger closure of temple etc. This is what now makes the commies' butts itch. Remove that with no fanfare. It is clear that MANY devotees consider that to be 100% unacceptable. Wonder how well-informed that is.

THAT is the change that has to come from within. Maybe post a prominent notice in every language:

All Hindus have RIGHT to enter. However, custom frowns on/bares teeth at/ moons any wimmens 10< age < 50 coming up the 18 steps or into The Presence.

4) OTOH, the common Malloo Yindoo rage is that b] enough is enough, of Interference in [ONLY YINDOO practices[/b].

Get the **** out of our faith and our temples!

This is a winning election slogan IMO. Bee Jay Pee needs to distill it down to that one item and go all-out with it. Even commies will vote for THAT.

Right now, positions have hardened, and maybe for the next year there will be hard resistance to any effort by 10< age < 50 to sneak in. But without the movement in Item 4, chances are that next KL guvrmand may be equally hostile, and maybe even Center will be hostile, not just clueless as now.
What then? Will the Resistance hold?

I was pretty surprised to see Guruvayoor relaxing the dress code to allow pakistani couture, rather than insist on traditional dress. They used to give a mundu for ppl who needed that, I don't know where is the need to relax that code.
TVM Sri P Kshetram as I found out recently, simply requires proper dress.

The other route is to boldly articulate the issues clearly: In Yinduism as practised in Malloostan (and maybe elsewhere), there are temples set up to various forms of tradition. Some temples admit ONLY wimmens. One admits men AND wimmens - except for those 10< age < 50. That is the style set up by those who own and run the place.

Deal with it. Suck it up. Go there b4 u turn 10, or wait a few years: its shorter than the wait for the Ayodhya verdict.

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hnairji: Dt. Collector, Mantris etc all declaring intention to basically send in 82nd Airborne because otherwise IAS aphsar may be commanding Siachen Jilla soon, and Mantri may not get CPM ticket in next election. Are they now going to back off? Sounds like Center has given gentle orders to avoid foolishness.

As pointed out above, NaMo has about 1 month to bring Ordinance etc.

[hnair]

ShyamSP, thank you for the posts above - the fight was very local this time, but the response has to be global and your posts are reassuring

BJP could have taken the 'chaakara' if they had not planted their heads up their own musharraffs and went all 'brogrejjive yindoo and welcome the verdeict onlee'. I think with the effort of the state leadership, some of the lost ground is being taken back currently.

There is time. almost a month for the season to start, and 41 days thereafter to struggle. If the KL BJP can get their act together, and the central folk pull out their heads from the musharraffs and give support, they can dent the commies really bad. The National Idiot have thankfully vacated the arena. It is for the BJP to lose it.

sigh.... If only!

A few things that happened in the last few months in Kerala:
1) Immense power of social media. The force-multiplier of the movement was an unfettered social media. without SM, we would have been reading about Rehana-mohotarrma's bravery in exposing herself to the parikarmis and how one of them had a measurable "linga chalanam", thereby voiding entire Dharma for eternity. Instead, we saw videos showing some of the cops tearing down the shamiana of peaceful protestors, stealing helmets (for safety) and destroying random private vehicles (thinking they belong to protestors).... Both part of "Law & Order" became a butt of jokes and the state never recovered its credibility as an impartial guardian of peace.

2) Youth. Once again, it was the youth that made the difference. Be it young men camping out with minimal food in the forests and roadways of Sabarimala or those young ladies who went house to house and informed their mothers about what is happening, the youth was in the forefront. This despite massive online shaming efforts from Left as well as the EJ types.

3) All political parties got affected in a negative way. BJP had zero role in all of the above, until some folks pointed out to the state leaders and they felt pressure from grassroots too. Congress of Kerala, surprisingly had a much more consistent, pro-status quo stance, despite RaGa's efforts at distancing etc. The entire senior leadership led by the usually comical state leader Chennithala, was vocal about their opposition and some like the Kannur Sudhakaran went to Sabarimala and went overboard in threatening the cops (not posting videos), when they lathicharged etc. Even a significant chunk of the minority clergy was openly supportive (maybe for their own reasons, but still, made its point). But BJP national leadership comes across as a cynical, vote-counting bunch with no idea about tailoring messages. Good luck to them - they are not going to get a better opening than this and if they squander it like they way they did over last few weeks, one has to agree that the party has zero interest in studying the South-specific Hindu problems

When you say bye to some of the young friends who decide to take leave from work to battle it out, up in the hills, you kind of have the dire warnings of UB-ji and the predictions of Airbornes hang silently around us. When their bikes roar off, you really feel a twinge that this has become a struggle against the Indian Union as it is against state government. Something no one here wants.

[fanne]

What is there to change in Sabarimala?
Is there a discrimination against women? No women (or girls) ages below 10 and above 50 perform the pilgrimage

Is lord Ayyappa against women? - no, his numerous other temple where he is a grihasta/child - women of ALL AGES go in for darshan.

Here at Sabarimala, he is a celibate and the tradition have been that female of reproduction age are not allowed, someone does not like the logic, tough choice, but this is the way it is. It is not up for negotiation. That is what the Lord says, temple believes and so does the devotees. What is anyone else issue here.

Let me ask - Does the Abrahmic religion proclamation that theirs is only true God and all else is wrong - Right? Is it correct, if it is, which one is correct - ROL or ROP's version , both cannot be correct. Do you go and debate that? Why not MYLORDS give opinion on that. Why the prayer - Laillahi...is acceptable (because it is matter of their faith?), but does it pass the rationality test? First get all these changed, and then come back and say to change how Ayyappa has to be worshiped.

[hnair]

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hnairji: Dt. Collector, Mantris etc all declaring intention to basically send in 82nd Airborne because otherwise IAS aphsar may be commanding Siachen Jilla soon, and Mantri may not get CPM ticket in next election. Are they now going to back off? Sounds like Center has given gentle orders to avoid foolishness.

As pointed out above, NaMo has about 1 month to bring Ordinance etc.

Yep, they had to and did back off. Belatedly, the wise old men of Delhi has woken upto a color revolution precursor. (or so I want to believe!). I think someone has to stop a dangerous project in instability, being orchestrated via judiciary

The current state govt has been hijacked completely by a cohort of Malabar thugs, whose only game is brutality. The CPI-M's southern faction (centered around Alapuzha) is more educated but has been subdued, primarily because the purse-strings are held by the thugees, in the form of Co-operatives and other businesses of Malabar (including a certain big construction firm called ULCC do look it up). So the southern guys get beaten up in politburos, state committees etc. That is why when Kadakampalli Surendran, the Minister with charge of Devaswom said in a moment of clarity, that he wont allow activists to go to Sabarimala, he had to do a quick U-turn by evening. Thereby earning him the sobriquet from us here (where he is the MLA) "Poozhikadakampalli"
(Translation: Poozhikadakan is considered a challenging evasive measure in Kalari, done in desperately disadvantageous situations)

The current CM had a long presser yesterday, after landing from Gelf. You can see that he is feeling dejected at being shown up as a wuss by the devotees. So in a nutshell - the thugees wont back off, because their thuggeeness has been by housewives chanting Ayyapa-namajapam and stone-throwing youth from the South

[UlanBatori]

So let's distill down to the one message:

"Enough is enough. Get out of our faith and our temples! "

Need that made into poetic Malloo, and every other language. It can become a tsunami, like the Ayodhya temple in 1991/92. But half the BJP netaship incl. much of dilli-based Parivar also need to be flushed down the toilet. This could be the perfect opportunity to remove the Old Guard.

As I see it, the fact that there are wimmen-onlee temples completely wipes out the Equal Access Right claims. I cannot understand why the shysters were not smart enough to advance that argument in the SC. Some day I need to sit down and read the arguments and briefs, and the judgement and dissent. Reading that Petition today was an absolute eye-opener in how ***** incompetent it was.

[Dileep]

I actually burst into tears when the live coverage showed 'Harivarasanam' being sung at the 'Sannidhanam' during the closing ritual. What a relief!!!

Some responses to the posts above:

1. The Thantri family is indeed from Telugu Nadu, some village on the banks of Krishna. The legend is that Sage Parasurama was looking for priests for the newly created Kerala, and found two brothers from the said village who qualified and willing to relocate. As part of the "final interview with CEO", the AxeMan asked them to cross the river. The elder one walked over the water. The younger one drained a path on the river bead and walked on the bottom. The elder one was named "Tharananalloor" and the younger one "Thazhamon". Both were appointed, and form the origin of Thantric rituals in KL. Both family men have the suffix "ru" with their name. Every temple in KL traces their Thantric root to one of these families. It can readily seen on the flag pole. The staff will be northward for Thaznamon and southward for Tharananalloor. Since the two families couldn't manage all temple, the right is delegated to a number of families, finally reaching the "Paravoor" family, who are not Brahmin by birth.

2. About Malayalam not having sounds. Which one? Some time back, A Tamil BRFite challenged me saying we don't have zha (which was a joke, since 90% of Tamils say La instead). I am really interested to see which sound we can't pronounce.

3. Travancore did not have Vedic brahmins. There is a legend about 'Dharmaraja' purchasing land north of river Periyar and donating to Brahmin families, so that they conduct 'Yagna' there. The first time ever a Yagna conducted breaking the tradition was at Trivandrum in the 80s.

4. The 'Temple Entry proclamation' by the king worked fine because:
- Well, he was the KING, the absolute monarch.
- The King was the representative of Lord Padmanabha, the actual ruler of the kingdom.
- The royals were considered good, godly/fatherly figures, especially in the period, where Sreemoolam Thirunal just had a very long peaceful and prosperoud reign, followed by an excellent rule by the young regent Maharani.
- The issue is spread across the entire kingdom, so focus can not be there.
- There was no TV/So-shrill media.

5. The similar "Temple Entry proclamation" by Commissar Pinarayi will not work, because everything is the opposite now. Even now, he adamantly says "The verdict SHALL BE implemented" putting up his Stalin face. If he stays on course, he will go down in history books as the Commie who ended the 5 year alternating rule in KL!

[fanne]

The other information that is getting missed is, the silent organizer (and done brilliantly) of all this unrest has been RSS, just as the IAC (India against corruption) movement was initiated, sustained and successfully completed by them (they allowed all streams to pour in Anna Hazare, Fordriwal etc.), (BR was with RSS the whole time), kicked out/controlled mal intentioned (like FODRI). If the Lord's movement looks same (and doesn't look like RSS sponsored) it is by design. I do not think Mallustan is ready for RSS. I guess if a snake has bitten a proud Mallu and RSS person gives him a anti venom serum, half of them would prefer to die in name of ignorance/false intellectualism then take the serum. I would say well managed.
But BJP in general has hurt itself out of Kerela. A non publicized involvement has not gone down well (I believe they were fully involved in saving the tradition, in spite of some glansot infected bjp/rss members). They must reach out and assure, that they were not fiddling while Sabarimala sentiments burned.

[hnair]

the silent organizer (and done brilliantly) of all this unrest has been RSS

[hnair]

I think we are going back to "Seva bharathi did a lot of the relief work" kind of delusional talk that prevents the Sangh from doing introspection in the South. Dont know about TN, but the Sangh is not what it used to be in Kerala. Its rot in leadership seem deep and its staid message has no local relevance. The sooner someone in Nagpur realizes that, the sooner the marxists gets routed

[fanne]

I am not privy to any info on ground (just adding some 2 + 2). I will let the locals comment. The rot maybe deep, but they were all the way in this one. The silence from center was/is eerie. If indeed it was missed by everyone by the RW ecosystem, I would say this is their first big mistake in the last 4.5 years and complete breakdown of the feedback system. But all indicators are, it did not fail.
When verdict was announced, some ministers/leaders jumped the gun and welcomed it. Somewhere they got the message that this was going to be very unpopular - at that time, KL RSS leaders and KL +KR BJP leaders jumped in (all MPs and prominent MLA s went to Sabarimala and demonstrated with the resistance). Then they organized hard in various small/big cities. I think center kept a tight lid on the situation, advising/warning the state govt against any misadventure). The RW SM was fully into it (though not directed by the 'party', it seldom is, but borne out of its own conviction). Now the party has to show its supporters that it was indeed not fiddling while Sabarimala 'burned'. Downside - The movement in KL may splinter if it is shown as BJP sponsored, and how does BJP support legal judgements that go against other religion in the future? But they have a higher price to pay - start of doubt by its supporters that it was willing to do politics (or do nothing, sometime against) against matter of faith - something that drives 90% of its support. No body votes BJP just for 'growth', they vote for 'growth + faith'.

[mappunni]

I think we are going back to "Seva bharathi did a lot of the relief work" kind of delusional talk that prevents the Sangh from doing introspection in the South. Dont know about TN, but the Sangh is not what it used to be in Kerala. Its rot in leadership seem deep and its staid message has no local relevance. The sooner someone in Nagpur realizes that, the sooner the marxists gets routed

Nair Saab,
Sooner the better. We were able to channel the food funds collected to Seva Bharathi which sent us pictures and even invited some of us to see the work they did in efficiently distributing it to folks in real need and made sure nothing ended in Commie rats pockets.

[Dileep]

the silent organizer (and done brilliantly) of all this unrest has been RSS

That is indeed an "Ettukali Mammoonju*" moment right there!!

*Ettukali Mammoonju is a character by the inimitable Vaikom Muhammed Basheer, who invariably say "That's me" when the news of an 'unaccounted pregnancy' spreads.

[arshyam]

RSS helping the movement? Sounds like a hijacking from within to me. Didn't the RSS act all liberal and welcome the verdict?

[Dileep]

Fanne, what I saw on the ground is that BJP/RSS stuck with the "pro brogress, wimmin empowerment" view initially, but did a quick downhill ski when they saw tens of thousands of wimmin get onto the streets. After the first week, they came forward with the saffron flags to take the leadership. Still, on the fateful morning the Watermelon Activitist* was blocked meters away from the temple complex border, it was the Aam-Swamy who stood there chanting "Saranam". I saw no RSS boys there. Yes, they were there on later days.

*I am patenting the term "Activitist" on BRF.

[chetak]

Exclusion is not discrimination. Otherwise there are hundreds or perhaps thousands of boys only/girls only schools. The same rule applies for them too. Every argument liberals throw for sabrimala applies to these schools. Apparently for them faith is more important than education?

I am glad the SC arguments were made with more thought.. but apparently not enough thought. I am sure there are many who might say: "I WANT TO BE ALLOWED TO SIT IN THE 12th GRADE CLASSROOM AT St. Ayesha's!!!" but none who want to get their curricular education and take exams there.
IMO the lawyers for the "Deity" went to the SC knowing fully well their chances like the Light Brigade going in at Crimea, which is why they tried to make up for that with tele/audiogenic oratory and showmanship. The other side simply had to show one point:

Right to Worship at Public Places of Worship

Which brings up another interesting point:

Sasikumara Varma, said his family has the right to give a direction to the thantri to close down the temple “Those who have doubt about the power of the family can inspect the documents. The thantri had accepted the direction realising our right to do so,”. he said.

Oh! So the Power Of The Family comes from the legal validity of those Documents. IOW, something approved by the SC. Why would that be valid? Do they accept SC authority only selectively?

The trouble with closing down Mala is that it leaves a huge commercial enterprise including thousands of tax-paying Malloostan small businesspeople, without customers. The pressure will be immense, to take over the entire enterprise by the (commie) govt. With Pinnarayi changing to Tantri from Mantri.

LET THEM TRY.

Not easy for any govt to take over this temple, in fact, it may turn out to be well nigh impossible.

[Dileep]

"Enough is enough. Get out of our faith and our temples!"

"നിർത്ത്!! ഞങ്ങളുടെ വിശ്വാസങ്ങളെയും ആരാധനാലയങ്ങളെയും വെറുതെ വിടുക!"

[mappunni]

"Enough is enough. Get out of our faith and our temples!"

"നിർത്ത്!! ഞങ്ങളുടെ വിശ്വാസങ്ങളെയും ആരാധനാലയങ്ങളെയും വെറുതെ വിടുക!"

Can you please translate Malayalam? This Mallu can't read Malayalam.