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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby Sachin » 09 Nov 2018 11:28

hnair wrote:The afsar just smiles, whenever I ask him about it. Old school gent. Good for India, if he gets allotted to center!

Dileep wrote:The aam-swamy (like moi) also have high regards to the said afsar just like the corporate heavy hitters

The said afsar's life story is also truely motivational. Coming from a very humble family, his parents were masons & carpenters. He himself failed in his first attempt to pass the 10th Std. exam. He did odd jobs to then take private coaching and also complete his graduation. And then without going to any "coaching centers" did the study himself and cleared the IPS exam. He talks about his "10th std. failure" especially to motivate studens who have failed the exam, and when there were cases of some of them committing suicide.

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Postby Sachin » 09 Nov 2018 12:30

May be it is psy-ops or it is a genuine list, 550 young women registered for pilgrimage to Sabarimala.

Dileep wrote:- 95% probability for both the writ and review petitions go to the trash can, and the court saying "the order stands"

There are 40+ petitions now pending for hearing at Hon.SC. Has there been a precedence in just dismissing this entire set within a few hours? I can understand that if it is just 1-2 petitons, but 40+ of them means that there could be 100s of points in each of them which requires careful understanding & consideration.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby Dileep » 09 Nov 2018 16:28

Yes, it will take time, but the "order stands meen-avial" would be the response.

Why should theirhoners change anything, while:
- The stage govt and DB agrees with them.
- The central govt and the ruling party who self proclaimed the wholesale dealership of yindooness had actually demanded it, and once the verdict came, gladly accepted it.
- The great 'volunteer' organization that self proclaimed the 'defense of yindooness' did the same.
- The enlightened community celebrates it.
- Only a few (lakhs) of retrograde thinking 20th centurions are opposing it.

Consider this: O Rajagopal wrote supporting it in 2006. The 'thatwika acharyas' of RSS wrote a lot supporting it. 'Kesari' magazine had many articles even very recently. This very recent U turn, including the brick-by-brisk speech of Amit Shaji is pure tquiyya as I see it.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby Sachin » 09 Nov 2018 18:25

Dileep wrote:Consider this: O Rajagopal wrote supporting it in 2006. The 'thatwika acharyas' of RSS wrote a lot supporting it. 'Kesari' magazine had many articles even very recently. This very recent U turn, including the brick-by-brisk speech of Amit Shaji is pure tquiyya as I see it.

I agree that only the Ayyappans can save their belief system and God. But if things don't go the way they say it and RSS again takes a U turn, and starts agreeing with the verdict, then rest assured they would be the biggest jokers in Kerala. The communist thugs were (and still are) consistent on their stand. And to be quite frank, BJP may wants to keep this issue in a suspended animation just like what they are doing with Rama Janma Bhoomi.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby SaiK » 09 Nov 2018 21:49


NDA Kerala
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https://twitter.com/nda4kerala/status/1 ... 4366513153
New order from state govt. Those who come to Sabarimala should take pass from local police station. Kerala Govt is treating devotees like criminals and are insulting them. #SaveSabarimalaTradition @AmitShah @narendramodi @rajeev_mp
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Postby Sachin » 09 Nov 2018 21:56

^^^ I am wondering how this would work out on out of state pilgrims and their vehicles. KA,TN,TS and AP Police have no obligations to listen to the dictates of a Kammisaar Stalin of Kerala and his assistant Loknath Beria.There are lots of out of state pilgrims who would be coming in hired buses and other vehicles. At which stage are they to collect the passes and who would be issuing them??

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Postby vinod » 09 Nov 2018 22:36

SaiK wrote:

NDA Kerala
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https://twitter.com/nda4kerala/status/1 ... 4366513153
New order from state govt. Those who come to Sabarimala should take pass from local police station. Kerala Govt is treating devotees like criminals and are insulting them. #SaveSabarimalaTradition @AmitShah @narendramodi @rajeev_mp


Apparently this is to protect sabarimala temple from trouble makers like Sangh parivar. Not sure what the govt leadership is smoking or eating, but didn't RSS leaders take control of the temple last time and nothing happened? So, do they really think the common people will believe this nonsense.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby Sachin » 09 Nov 2018 23:25

vinod wrote:Apparently this is to protect sabarimala temple from trouble makers like Sangh parivar. Not sure what the govt leadership is smoking or eating, but didn't RSS leaders take control of the temple last time and nothing happened? So, do they really think the common people will believe this nonsense.

GoKL seems to be under the firm belief that it is only Kerala men folk (with the women folk supporting them) who do NOT want young women at the temple. Their logic seems to be that Ayyappas from other states may not know the age restriction and would also not be bothered about the court verdict. If they get a chance to get darshan then it is immaterial as to who all entered before, or who all would enter next. So their idea is that if Kerala based Ayyappa's are brought under control, the police would be able to bully the other state devotees and do what they please.

It is here that social media campaigning would help. So far the maximum young women who appeared at Sabari Mala and had to turn back seems to be from AP. I have not seen young women from KL, KA or TN who bother to come here. So perhaps it is here the Ayyappa Seva Sangams of these states can also pitch in, and spread the word across.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby ramana » 10 Nov 2018 06:15

WA


Cabinet minister - Mr. Giriraj Singh ji (MOS(IC) for MSME | MP for Nawada) has now endorsed the upcoming protest in Delhi..... 1 Lakh #SaveSabrimala stickers to be distriburted in capital for Free. Volunteers in other cities also planning to print and distribute....

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Postby prasannasimha » 10 Nov 2018 09:19

Regarding those 500 women claiming registration to visit, fact that AP TS is a commie naxal hotbed must be kept in mind.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby SSridhar » 10 Nov 2018 10:15

Choppers may fly women devotees to Sabarimala - The Hindu
The Kerala police are weighing the use of military helicopters to airlift women devotees to Sabarimala from Thiruvananthapuram or Kochi as a last and drastic recourse to save them from running the gauntlet of ‘Save Sabarimala’ protesters.

As many as 560 women between the ages of 10 and 50 have expressed their intent to visit the temple when it opens for the 41-day Mandalam-Makaravilakku period on November 17.

Top officials said most of the women who had registered themselves with the police queue management portal appeared to be educated professionals and their children.
An estimated 3.20 lakh men had also reserved their darshan time in advance through the portal.

Safe passage

The State law enforcement is faced with the onerous task of providing them safe passage. A senior official said the police strategy to facilitate their ascend to the temple would hinge on the Supreme Court decision on November 13.

The apex court is scheduled to rule on two petitions seeking a review of its order in September to allow women of all ages to worship at the overwhelmingly male-only forest temple.

The police said the helicopter would require the Forest Department’s concurrence to use a landing spot cleared in the early 1980s for the visit of former Prime Minister Indira Gandhi to the temple.

However, the tour did not transpire. An official said pilgrims often used helicopters to visit the Kedarnath temple on the Himalayan ranges.

Officers said the police would have to clear a safe path for women pilgrims from the landing spot to the temple and back.

The police said their earlier position was to avoid the use of force against demonstrators at Sannidhanam. However, if the SC dismissed the review petition, the police would have no other option but use force to disperse anti-women protesters.


The government, which is intent on upholding the right of women to worship at Sabarimala, is locked in an acrimonious tussle with the Bharatiya Janata Party and the Congress {Incorrect. The anti-Hindu Commies are locked in a battle with Hindu believers}.

Both the opposition parties want the government to file a review petition against the order in the Supreme Court.

The ruling front and the Opposition parties have launched massive propaganda campaigns to elaborate on their respective views on the Sabarimala women entry issue.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby Karthik S » 10 Nov 2018 10:55

Where will the helicopters land? Don't think those women will do HALO jump, How many sorties will be required to transport 500 women?

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby Javee » 10 Nov 2018 11:01

This is golden..hundi is filled with aval and flowers :rotfl:

Check out @thulasirch’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/thulasirch/status/1 ... 05408?s=09

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby Karthik S » 10 Nov 2018 11:12

Need to spread awareness about HRCE in TN.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby Dileep » 10 Nov 2018 14:17

Airlifting!! :rotfl:

Actually, the govt contemplated "aerial surveillance" by Helos. Some SFI ejucated intern at Al Chindu misinterpreted it onlee. The idea of Helos is dropped (for obvious reasons) and Drones idea is being raised.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby prasannasimha » 10 Nov 2018 16:05

Simple thing is if they force then at that time idol can be removed. Kashi Vishwanatha was kept in a well when marauders came.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby UlanBatori » 10 Nov 2018 18:02

The hot air from one Pinnarayi speech could fill 100 balloons to airlift the Comeradinis. Return trip may be a problem.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby Sachin » 10 Nov 2018 20:55

SSridhar wrote:Choppers may fly women devotees to Sabarimala - The Hindu

Karthik S wrote:Where will the helicopters land? Don't think those women will do HALO jump, How many sorties will be required to transport 500 women?

Dileep wrote:Actually, the govt contemplated "aerial surveillance" by Helos. Some SFI ejucated intern at Al Chindu misinterpreted it onlee. The idea of Helos is dropped (for obvious reasons) and Drones idea is being raised.

Choppers on hovering on top of the shrine? Fat chance that would happen :). Looks like Chindu's reporter was smoking the same type of weed taken by Che Guevera :lol:. Even a simple move like air-dropping/slithering would have to be done in front of 100s of Ayyappa devotees. Secondly, commies would have to really identify the adventurous and well trained women from the "so called" registered 550+ women. The nearest helipad is at Nilakkal, which is where the base camp is also located. Taking women upto that point is of no use. Because the pilgrims (and earlier the protestors) were all present in large number at the very same location.

What is happening is that GoKL is deliberately spreading these type of news in order to spread panic and confusion among the Ayyappas. Protestors may read all these news and decides to stop the protest. Many genuine devotees may read all this and then decide NOT to make a visit this time. Yesterday there was a grand plan that all vehicles would have to take a pass from the local police station. Then many people reminded the police that pilgrims come from all places, and Behra's writ does not go beyond the state's borders. Now the police changed their stance that these vehicles can get a pass from any PS in Kerala (while coming to the shrine), or in worst case passes would be issued to them at Nilakkal itself ;). Which actually defeats the purpose of such a pass.

From what I could glean out from the news reports which talks about the GoKL and K.P plans.
1. GoKL and K.P at present do NOT have any idea on the number of pilgrims who would land up at Nilakkal, Pampa and Sabari Mala shrine at a given point of time.
2. K.P feels that the trouble makers at Sabari Mala are from Kerala itself. The idea of getting passes from PS in Kerala seems to be based on this. K.P feels that since passes are being issued, the vehicle owners would ensure that only pilgrims would come in. The "passes" only provide one benefit, that is to allow parking at Nilakkal base camp, till the pilgrims make the visit and come back. The passes are not like "internal passport" system in China (which given a chance CPI(M) may want to start in KL).
3. K.P feels that with the pass, and the plan to allow pilgrims only via Ke.SRTC buses from Nilakkal to Pampa would help them get advance notice on the crowd coming in. It does not seem to have factored alternate routes or the possibility of pilgrims walking in.
4. The "virtual queue" web site (https://www.sabarimalaq.com/) has got around 3 lakh registrations so far, including the 550 odd women. What the police says is that only people who have registered at this web site, will be allowed beyond Pampa river point. And there would be multiple check posts to check this. Sabari Mala sees pilgrim footfall from even the remotest parts of South India, where no one would bother to register in such web site. This shrine was accessible without any govt intervention till last year. Denying an Ayyappa pilgrim coming in with the Irumudi Kettu entry to the shrine, just because he did not have a bloody token from K.P is going to cause big time problem. Please note, that the web site is only available in "English". Every pilgrim coming here is NOT a B.A English graduate.
5. These news reports also seems to be a deliberate attempt to spread panic among the devotees. Many may just decide to skip the pilgrimage this time around to avoid the hassles. And that is exactly what GoKL wants.

By the way, the campaign asking people NOT to put money in Devaswom Board managed temples is getting traction. The idiot of a board president is now pleading that if money is not deposited lots of Hindus (temple staff) will not get their salaries :roll:. This pathetic attempt to gain sympathies should be thwarted. Hope the message gets spread across in multiple languages.

And there are rumours floating around that GoI may ask Hon.SC for more clarity on the verdict as it has a bigger impact all across India. "Hinduism" as a religion may have unique customs and traditions at each temple, and at each state and region. A temple cannot be considered as a "public place" like a night club, bar or bus stand.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby Lisa » 10 Nov 2018 22:39

Who is going to supply the helicopters?

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Postby chetak » 10 Nov 2018 22:42

Lisa wrote:Who is going to supply the helicopters?


Looks like they may be thinking of asking the Forces, who may well decline to do so and then it may all go back to Modi bashing after all.

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Postby Sachin » 10 Nov 2018 23:20

Lisa wrote:Who is going to supply the helicopters?

chetak wrote:Looks like they may be thinking of asking the Forces, who may well decline to do so and then it may all go back to Modi bashing after all.

K.P does not have even one helicopter. And they cannot afford one as well. The maximum they can try is to use some chinese drones, which have been found reliable. Heli-dropping women pilgrims at Sabari Mala is out of the question. It is NOT possible. The IN/IAF can provide some recce missions by air, but that is not going to change the situation on the ground. All they can do is to perhaps indicate the positions of the crowd. But handling such crowd would still have to be done by the men on the ground - i.e K.P. Tomorrow you may even see a news that GoKL has asked to provide data from sattellites to do crowd management at Sabari Mala ;).

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Postby UlanBatori » 10 Nov 2018 23:45

I was wondering about the words "Police AND Military" helicopters in the grand declaration above. Seems like a terrible statement, if IAF airlift helicopters land with invading hordes of Professional Bibis sans makeup :shock: , protected by Black Cats/ Gurkha Regiment around the perimeter pointing guns at the tigers and foxes and monkeys in the jungle. Plus, of course one has to have an S-300/ Akash SAM with Rajendra Radar to protect the helipad from the odd invading peacock and crow, hain? Brought up by special roads constructed by Border Roads Organization?

Hate to inflame the Devotees here, but how is this different from the Arkansas 82nd Airborne scenario that was dissed here as "Only in Khanstan, v r vely civirized onree!" :eek:

If they do that however, I am withdrawing my vote for Modi. If his Army and IAF's civilian netaship in South Block are such dolts that they cannot stall indefinitely on such a request, (SC or no SC) they are not rice-eaters. Nor fish-eaters. If Pinnarayi can mobilize military for this purpose, Inquilab Zindabad!

Devotees SHOULD be troubled by the claim that the other side can mobilize 550 names of bibis who demand access. Can Malloo Yindoo PowerNetas tally 55 Xtian and Muslim wimmens to demand access to Bishop's Palace and mosques and Haj? 5.5?

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Postby SaiK » 11 Nov 2018 07:13

why would military helicopters will be on beck & call to kerala police?

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Postby SSridhar » 11 Nov 2018 07:33

SaiK wrote:why would military helicopters will be on beck & call to kerala police?

Because, Pinarayi might think that if MoD declines the request, that would be a convenient stick to beat the Modi government with, accusing it of not helping implement the SC verdict etc.

It seems that Abhishek Manu Singhvi is being replaced with Aryama Sundaram by the Devaswom Board. Looks like that this follows the decision by Devaswom not to contest anymore the original SC ruling. Any news on that?

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Postby UlanBatori » 11 Nov 2018 08:09

SSridhar wrote:
SaiK wrote:why would military helicopters will be on beck & call to kerala police?

Because, Pinarayi might think that if MoD declines the request, that would be a convenient stick to beat the Modi government with, accusing it of not helping implement the SC verdict etc...

There is a much worse explanation.
a) Failure to provide airlift could be blamed for the horrible incident where a bus came under attack from **********.
b) If one helicopter crashes....
If you think through this carefully, both sides want martyrs.
The guvrmand walked on eggshells this past week, gnashing teeth.
Now they are trying to set up their own martyrs.

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Postby chetak » 11 Nov 2018 08:57

Sachin wrote:
Lisa wrote:Who is going to supply the helicopters?

chetak wrote:Looks like they may be thinking of asking the Forces, who may well decline to do so and then it may all go back to Modi bashing after all.

K.P does not have even one helicopter. And they cannot afford one as well. The maximum they can try is to use some chinese drones, which have been found reliable. Heli-dropping women pilgrims at Sabari Mala is out of the question. It is NOT possible. The IN/IAF can provide some recce missions by air, but that is not going to change the situation on the ground. All they can do is to perhaps indicate the positions of the crowd. But handling such crowd would still have to be done by the men on the ground - i.e K.P. Tomorrow you may even see a news that GoKL has asked to provide data from sattellites to do crowd management at Sabari Mala ;).


They would require the permission of the GoI/MoD to even have access to the Mil choppers.

If it is only for recce purposes, a drone could well do the job.

I have a strong suspicion that the GoI will diplomatically (technically??) decline all such requests lest it be seen as being complicit in this extraordinary enterprise of "enforcing" the SC orders against a community.
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Postby SaiK » 11 Nov 2018 08:58

SSridhar, that would be the lamest logic only gullible bhakt world would be tolerating/consuming to. Honestly, ayyappa bhaktas must call shots on these. unfortunately, it has gone politics (commie style).
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Postby Dileep » 11 Nov 2018 08:59

Don't read too much into this Helo tamasha please. It ain't funny.

The suggestion (from some conferred IPS pandu prolly) was simply for 'aerial surveillance' using helos. If someone pays, INS Garuda or Coast Guard would happily oblige to send one bird with a few volunteer devotee sailors, who would be excited to do seven pradakshinas to the temple, take in the heavenly scenery of the hills, report "situation naarmal onlee" and return to base.

Of course, the bill will be from our lord's money which we offered.

If you look closely, all these 'tactical brilliance' comes from the 2 centuries old Britshit written play book. They are going to end up in the same success.

The temple employees need not panic of not getting salary. We will divert the offerings to 'dakshina' to them. We will take care of the innocent people.

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Postby SaiK » 11 Nov 2018 09:04

so, on the same logic, one could validate
- shutting down on restrooms to bhaktas
- closing down the guest rooms and locked up
- no nei-abhishekam /raw materials
- no rice for prasadam or payasam.
... the list goes on.

All due to lack of hundi money, due to bhaktas dropping paper note to Ayyappa as kanika.
While commies have all the money to hire thousands of cops, ransack all vehicles on the way like hooligans, invest in helicopter surveillance, make some firang trip for floods, build few churches and mosques on GSQR or national highway or if already built, augment them. yadi yada..

All of these are 'total brilliance'

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Postby chetak » 11 Nov 2018 09:13

SaiK wrote:why would military helicopters will be on beck & call to kerala police?


There is a provision called "aid to civil power" under which military assistance and troops may be asked for by the authorities.

That would presuppose some asumption/actual evidence of a potentially uncontrollable situation or escalating violence.

This would also imply, in some cases, a breakdown of law and order and the inability of the local authorities to handle it. Large scale violence would put the onus of responsibility entirely on the GoK for the extremely provocative stance of its administration and the numerous intemperate outbursts of the cm vijayan.

There may then arise the cause for the center to dismiss to state govt on such grounds and impose president's rule. I know it sounds far fetched but the possibility of such an eventuality, however tenuous, does exist.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby Sachin » 11 Nov 2018 10:13

UlanBatori wrote:I was wondering about the words "Police AND Military" helicopters in the grand declaration above.

It is like the water snake telling other snakes that it & cobra friend actually struck a man and killed him. I now see a lot of attempts by GoKL on protection of H&D, and the police also trying to act too smart. GoKL knows its limitations but is just trying to save its face.

SSridhar wrote:Because, Pinarayi might think that if MoD declines the request, that would be a convenient stick to beat the Modi government with, accusing it of not helping implement the SC verdict etc.

He can try doing that, but it would be just a political gimmick. The SC verdict only tells women should be allowed, it has not asked GoKL to bring in some women and give them facilities for darshan. Today in KL any body who is pro-Sabari Mala is accepted by the common people. Even be it Modi. The TV channel of BJP which was no where in the ratings is now in the 2nd position; only because they covered Sabari Mala incidents taking a pro-pilgrim stance.

It seems that Abhishek Manu Singhvi is being replaced with Aryama Sundaram by the Devaswom Board. Looks like that this follows the decision by Devaswom not to contest anymore the original SC ruling. Any news on that?

A.M Singhvi is still in the game. He is now the lawyer for Prayar Gopalakrishnan from Congress who was also Travancore Devaswom Board ex-President. KPCC asked him to file a review petition (with only moral support and legal aid coming from Congress party). A.M Singhvi would help him with that, with Kapil Sibal being the backup.

The official advocates of Travancore Devaswom Board (one of them a woman) have all been replaced, because they were not willing to toe the government line. From what I read in news papers today Travancore Devaswom Board will not take a pro or anti verdict stance. It would just say that implementing the verdict is going to be tough, they have tried and they failed.

chetak wrote:There may then arise the cause for the center to dismiss to state govt on such grounds and impose president's rule. I know it sounds far fetched but the possibility of such an eventuality, however tenuous, does exist.

GoKL as I see it would not ask for any assistance from central government. Because that is like giving GoI a stick to beat up GoKL. It is now pretty much obvious that the mess at Sabari Mala was created by GoKL alone. Now if they beg GoI for military or para military forces, they will have to answer lot of tough questions. And begging to Modi would make every commie cringe, begging to UAE Sheikh is more honourable ;). All such goof ups of GoKL can be totalled up and the governor can ask GoI to kick out the only CPI(M) government now running in India.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby Dileep » 11 Nov 2018 11:00

GoKL and KP can make whatever control system, but all will fail facing the wave of humanity. The only control that works there is the aam-wamy who cooperates. The moment aam-swamy is suspicious of anything, things will stop right there. Right now, things are on hair trigger.

Vehicle pass will fail. Digital coupon will fail. There is nothing that can be done to control the crowd, except what the lord himself had been doing all these years.

'Yuvathi' will not go up to the 'holy yard' till the aam-swamy give up, and I don't see them giving up anytime soon. Maybe in a decade. that too.. maybe.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby Sachin » 11 Nov 2018 14:28

Dileep wrote:GoKL and KP can make whatever control system, but all will fail facing the wave of humanity. The only control that works there is the aam-wamy who cooperates. The moment aam-swamy is suspicious of anything, things will stop right there. Right now, things are on hair trigger.

What is required is a constant "reminder" to the Aam-Swamys that GoKL is desperately trying to trample their belief system. Today I received a PDF file which is an "official press release" of GoKL explaining why & how the current verdict came out. Yet to read that, as it may raise my BP and blow a fuse or two :roll:.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby UlanBatori » 11 Nov 2018 17:37

Seems an opportunity to return the favor: Point by point rebuttal (which I bet you can do with 1 post, maybe with some input from the other Bhaktans here) but with pictures/video links of children facing up to the CNN invaders (clearly not DEVOTEES, clearly coming there to BRAY not PRAY), women facing up to the KP, old women getting arrested for expressing their opinion in Free India. Bhaktan on crutches walking 20km because GoKL shut down buses. Locks on the potty places and lodges, empty food-places.

State of the potty places - compared to those at say, AKG Center (scratch that, maybe commies don't "go" at all). OK, at "Rama Nilayam" or CM's office. THAT pdf could also be circulated as Official Press Release With Truth.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby Dileep » 11 Nov 2018 18:07

Still no volunteers for Kannada!! I am sad onlee.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby UlanBatori » 11 Nov 2018 20:14

WARNING!!! PUT UR COFFEE CUP DOWN!!!!
Will await comments except, this one is too good to pass up:
the effect such a position will have on a gamut of issues, most importantly the Babri Masjid dispute.
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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby A_Gupta » 11 Nov 2018 20:22

^^^ My simple take on the Sabarimala issue is:

Will you support a Supreme Court order that opens Catholic nunneries/convents to free entry by men?
If yes, then please show that by filing a PIL.
If "no, but Sabarimala is not a monastery/convent", are the only institutions Hindus are allowed to have those which have exact analogs in Christianity?

Since 99% of temples have no restriction on the entry of women, and since there are a few women-only temples and festivals, the restrictions are not symptomatic of some kind of discrimination in the way, e.g., the non-entry of Dalits into temples used to be (and may still be in some parts). There is no Constitutional issue apart from the control of Hindu institutions by the Government in a supposedly secular state.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby Sachin » 11 Nov 2018 20:59

UlanBatori wrote:Will await comments except, this one is too good to pass up:

We should congratulate Shashi Tharoor for at least understanding the pulse in Kerala (for a change) on the Sabari Mala issue :lol:. And his statements - this time in simple English - seems to be based on the inputs from the ground.

A_Gupta wrote:Will you support a Supreme Court order that opens Catholic nunneries/convents to free entry by men?

The biggest mistake which has been happening is that trying to define Hinduism as an organised religion like X'ianity or Islam. This is a fundamental mistake. And the british introduced governance & judicial systems are unable to comprehend that. So we should not try to bring comparison stories in case of Sabari Mala, it would back fire.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby UlanBatori » 11 Nov 2018 21:44

What struck me was the :(( about the damage that would occur to [drumroll] BABRI MASJID [\drumroll] Who gives a pakistan about that any more?

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby A_Gupta » 11 Nov 2018 22:22

Sachin wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:Will await comments except, this one is too good to pass up:

We should congratulate Shashi Tharoor for at least understanding the pulse in Kerala (for a change) on the Sabari Mala issue :lol:. And his statements - this time in simple English - seems to be based on the inputs from the ground.

A_Gupta wrote:Will you support a Supreme Court order that opens Catholic nunneries/convents to free entry by men?

The biggest mistake which has been happening is that trying to define Hinduism as an organised religion like X'ianity or Islam. This is a fundamental mistake. And the british introduced governance & judicial systems are unable to comprehend that. So we should not try to bring comparison stories in case of Sabari Mala, it would back fire.


Well, the purpose of the argument is to show the absurdity of it all. I've been able to make at least one "women's rights" person realize her frame of reference was wrong.


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