Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

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Yesterdin at all party meet called by state gubmint to help them survive the next season:
- CM was his usual Stalinist best and wont budge beyond his dense stands
- non-left parties said “screw you” and seem to have stood ground, by trolling at "wasting their time" (BJP) or walking out (Cong)
- Later by noon, the prison biatch heading TDB has :(( to press, hinted that they will take the fall on behalf of CM, by claiming in front of courts that they can’t enforce verdict
- gubmint can claim TDB is independent and hope to keep the votes of those idiots who thought “We the people” and #withtheconstituion are not CPI-M cyber cell creations, but spontaneous uprising of people whose only crime is they love piss ‘n plogless :((

Heavy rains!!!
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Roundna looks fine. Either words will convey the message.
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Keral police to Kerala police (if need to fix responsibility at the top, pls add Kerala police taking order from Communists
Dacades to Decades
This outrage must stop? Outrage of whom, the devotees against the GoKL? Clarity need to be there
The sums of money "we out" :-?
"We out" in the Hundi : - ?
with inscription of
"outrage they are trying" :- crime/atrocity/sins they are committing

Not an expert, but some simple suggestions i think will make it better.
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Also one more thing is instead of Forcefully bringing Women be replaced with Forcefully bringing Anti-Hindu agents (please don't use the word activist)
Since women of certain age are already going to Sabarimala, it need not be made to be seen as a Women rights issue. It need to be seen as an Anti-Hindu act by the Communist govt in Kerala (Let's say things how it is, straightforward). So clarity need to be there on what's said. This is very important guys.
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Kerala Govt Planning to Let Women Visit Sabarimala Temple on Separate Days, Says Pinarayi Vijayan

Vijayan said he would talk to the head priest as well as representatives of the Pandalam palace to see if the plan can be implemented.
https://www.news18.com/amp/news/india/k ... 39963.html
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Separate days? How you stop men on that that day?As of now no one is having any control on who is coming on which day and going back on which day. People just come and go as per their own planing. The communist idea dictating people what to do or not to do in each and everything is not going to work in this case.

In fact by giving a day for women you are inviting people for agitation on that day and Tantri to close the temple on that day. Idiotic.
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Drawing a parallel to the other SC verdict before the Sabarimala verdict, this would be like, you will have to permit yourself buggered on certain days onlee.

What kind of bright idea is this? The head of the so called "advisers" need to be examined.
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Sabarimala:Trupti Desai arrives at Kochi amid protests




Sabarimala:Trupti Desai arrives at Kochi amid protests

ETB Sivapriyan, Pathanamthitta (Kerala), NOV 16 2018,



Activist Tripti Desai of Bhumata Brigade, who spearheaded the campaign for women entry in several temples, landed in Kochi airport on Friday morning to visit the famous Lord Ayyappa Temple in Sabarimala.

However, Tripti and members of her brigade were holed up at the Cochin International Airport in Nedumbassery as none of the taxi drivers are willing to take them to Pamba, the foothills of Sabarimala, 190 km away.

The members of the Bhumata Brigade are waiting at the airport waiting area since morning. Police said to have refused to help finding them a cab service to ferry them to Pamba.

On Thursday, Kerala police had said that it will not give any special considerations for Desai and seven others who plan to visit the Sabarimala Ayyappa temple this weekend. Desai on Wednesday, in an email to the Chief Minister Pinarayi Vijayan, had requested the state to handle the security, stay and travel arrangements for them.


Tripti had announced that she will offer prayers at the Sabarimala temple on Saturday after the Supreme Court allowed women of all age to enter the shrine. She had spearheaded the campaign for women to be allowed into various religious places, including Shani Shingnapur temple, the Haji Ali Dargah, the Mahalakshmi Temple and the Trimbakeshwar Shiva Temple.

Though the temple opened for a brief period in October and November, none of the women in the said age group were allowed inside the temple due to vociferous protests from people and organisations who are against the Supreme Court order.

The organisations which have support from Congress and BJP say the traditions of Sabarimala cannot be compromised with.
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SaiK wrote:Kerala Govt Planning to Let Women Visit Sabarimala Temple on Separate Days, Says Pinarayi Vijayan

Vijayan said he would talk to the head priest as well as representatives of the Pandalam palace to see if the plan can be implemented.
https://www.news18.com/amp/news/india/k ... 39963.html
The guy has gone nuts. CM office has been reduced to donation collection and travel operator to arrange customized travel packages. There are 1001+ things other than this to be set right in kerala and look at the time, money and energy he is spending on this single issue.
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So story floated by news outlets is that Trupti gets stuck at Nedumbassery airport, because "she couldnt get a taxi" and not because State Govt is pooping bricks.... :rotfl:
Dileep wrote:The head of the so called "advisers" need to be examined.
To find what? Dracula's teabags?

( These guys genuinely think they are the emotional Stayfrees of a bleeding society left in the lurch by Center. They really are curious birds, who survive by hugging each other tightly, hoping the blizzard will blow off, like those emperor penguins)
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ditto report from the Hindu, the commie rag.

Sabarimala temple entry: Trupti Desai stays put at Kochi airport


Sabarimala temple entry: Trupti Desai stays put at Kochi airport

M.P. Praveen, KOCHI, NOVEMBER 16, 2018

Caught between the standoff between Trupti Desai and BJP protesters are the police personnel.

The stalemate at the Cochin International Airport Limited at Nedumbassery over the arrival of gender equality activist Trupti Desai, on her way to Sabarimala for the pilgrimage, crossed the five-hour mark with neither she nor the protesting activists who are resolved not to let her leave the domestic terminal willing to back down.

Ms. Desai and six other women devotees, all aged below 50, who had arrived by an Indigo flight from Pune at 4. 40 am remain trapped in the terminal since then in the face of stiff protest from Ayyappa hymn-chanting protesters whose number kept on swelling all the time. Protestors have positioned in front of all exit routes to thwart any potential police move to spirit her away through one of those exits.

The protesters had started gathering at the airport long before Ms. Desai arrived at the airport, ignoring the heavy deployment of police under J. Himendranath, Deputy Commissioner of Police, Kochi City.

Protesters stage sit-in outside Cochin International Airport on Friday by chanting Ayyappa devotional songs.
Protesters stage sit-in outside Cochin International Airport on Friday by chanting Ayyappa devotional songs. | Photo Credit: Thulasi Kakkat
Leaders of Bharatiya Janata Party and its feeder organisations are busy coordinating the protest. R.V. Babu of Hindu Aikya Vedi, said that protesters wanted to "avoid a confrontation" and urged Ms. Desai to drop the plan and return to Maharashtra.

M.N. Gopi, BJP district secretary, said that Ms. Desai has no other way but to return dropping her plan for undertaking Sabarimala pilgrimage. “No online taxi driver has come forward to take her and the devotees will not allow her to be taken outside the airport on a police vehicle. We are organising the arrival of more protesters to the airport,” he said.

The police are desperate to find a feasible solution to end the stalemate.

Ms. Desai had planned to take a cab from the airport to Kottayam from where she was to proceed to Sabarimala on Saturday. While prepaid taxi operators at the airport remain steadfast in their resolve not to take Ms. Desai out of the airport fearing violent protests, an attempt to book an online cab also failed.

In fact, online cab operators went offline for over an hour near the airport to avoid the risk of being booked for the tricky trip. A message is also circulating in the Whatsapp group of online cab operators that as high as Rs. 50,000 has been offered for the trip.

Amidst all the pandemonium around, Ms.Desai remained determined to get on with her Sabarimala pilgrimage no matter what.

Renu Suresh of Mahila Morcha said that devotees will stage protest along the entire route if Ms. Desai managed to hit the road.

Amidst the tension, Industries Minister E.P. Jayarajan arrived at the airport from Delhi but left without responding to the waiting media.
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Dileep wrote:Drawing a parallel to the other SC verdict before the Sabarimala verdict, this would be like, you will have to permit yourself buggered on certain days onlee
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BTW, How can I take printouts?
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Dileep wrote:Ravikr did a fantabulous job of DTP for Kannada, and volunteered to do the rest. I think English+one local language is a good format.
uddu wrote:Keral police to Kerala police (if need to fix responsibility at the top, pls add Kerala police taking order from Communists
uddu wrote:Also one more thing is instead of Forcefully bringing Women be replaced with Forcefully bringing Anti-Hindu agents (please don't use the word activist)
On the leaflets. Good that we also have a DTP-ised version of the notices. On the English part, just check the spelling of Swamiye Sharanm Ayyappa ("a" is missing). Also just check on the capitalisation of the first letter in sentences etc. And spell check the english version. Minor mistakes onlee, but if we get the first version out with the least "defects" it would really help.

Let us also not give a message that Kerala Police is messing up with the pilgrimage. One thing, they may use these kinds of statements as "spreading hatred against the police". And the truth is that K.P is forced into this. The message should be that "The one and only communist government now in India, is using the state machinery to trample upon the beliefs of Hindus". K.P are mere pawns, and we need to hit back at two groups. One is CPI(M) led government and the Travancore Devaswom Board filled by dubious communist oriented atheists.

And yes "anti-Hindu agents" would be a better word (rather than women or activists). You don't know what they plan to do next? They may try bringing in transgenders as well ;).
SaiK wrote:Kerala Govt Planning to Let Women Visit Sabarimala Temple on Separate Days, Says Pinarayi Vijayan
Yagnasri wrote:Separate days? How you stop men on that that day?As of now no one is having any control on who is coming on which day and going back on which day.
Please take these comments of the CM as that coming from a clueless clown who may even overshoot Ra.Ga. A temple is based on its core belief system. It can never be a movie hall or night club; where the management can decide which gender gets access to the place. The core & unique aspect of Ayyappa at Sabari Mala is that he is a Naishtik Brahmachari (a celebate for ever). It cannot be changed to Naishtik Brahmachari on week ends and non-celebate on week days. And if women really want to worship Ayyappa there are temples in Kerala where Ayyappa resides in the form a child, and another one in which he resides with two wives. The commies have become so cultureless that they really don't even know the Hindu belief system.

And such 'advise' as I can see it can only come from one group. Advisors who are non-Hindus and masquerading as atheists & non-believers.
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twitter

"While secularism protects Hindu temples in the West, the same term applied in a different manner is used to restrict and penalize them in India."

15260 police, 113 DYSP, 350 CI, 1320 SI, 3 helicopters, armed commandos, RapidActionForce. This is police force deployed at #Sabarimala by Aurangzeb. On othr side V hv Ayyappa Swamy with us. Let's c. V started moving to Sannidanam. Whole Nation Pls pray for devotees. SwamySaranam
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Sitting in the bus in the morning, I saw the first set of pilgrims from Karnataka who were trekking all the way to Sabari Mala, a place which is like 800+ kms away. With determined face, and with minimum supplies they were walking along. It takes grit & determination to do this. And then I checked up the news ONLY to find that Trupthi Desai is still cooped up at Nedumbasseri (CIAL) airport.

At 1145Hrs as I type this she still remains there. None of the taxi drivers are willing to allow her & the feminists any where near their vehicles. The police had thoughts of taking them out in a police vehicle, but then they were worried that protestors would just surround the vehicle, which is more tricky. Airport at least offers food & sanitation facilities. Police bus does not have that. The police tried to whisk her away through the cargo terminal. It failed, and now pretty much the entire airport is under a siege. CIAL authorities have given their ultimatum to K.P as well. Remove these women using any means out of the airport, or put her on another plane. She now cannot go incognito to Nilakkal base camp; a distance of 137kms.

The police got a rude surprise this morning that even after placing multiple check points a group of pilgrims from A.P had reached the Ganapathi temple at Pampa river point :lol:. This is when not even media person or supplies to the temple were allowed to reach there. There were also old women in the group, but they were asked to move out of the temple. The much acclaimed "police pass" system have also failed. The S.P in charge of Nilakkal base camp says that he would have to allow vehicles without a "police pass", but would have to do some basic checks on the vehicles and pilgrims. The on-line system they introduced have also got messed up. The server could not take the load, and the payment gateway was unable to process the payments on time. The portal launched by Ke.SRTC to do the Nilakkal-Pampa trip also failed, and pilgrims also realised that the web site did not have provisions to claim a refund ;). So don't expect much registrations on these "online portals". Pilgrims are just going to come any ways.

There are also strong rumours that the protesting pilgrims have formed as small agile groups who are reaching the hill temple through multiple modes of transport and also through multiple routes (including forest routes). They would not come like typical protestors chanting Inquilab Zindabad and identifying and detaining them would be impractical. The "intelligence reports" which the DGP talked about and the plan to "sanitise" the hill top in the night all seems to indicate that police fears a complete Sangh Parivar take over of the hill temple from day one. This happened last time.

If K.P can retain complete hold of the hill top, then perhaps the rest of their plans may succeed. Other wise it is going to be really chaotic. Media reports about deploying of 15000 police men at Sabari Mala and surroundings. But they have hidden the fact that, it is at the most busiest stage (Stage 4) of the pilgrimage. In Stage 1 ; i.e a couple of weeks from now, it would be a max of 5000 police personnel (including WPCs).

Mean while High Court rejects Rehana Fathima’s anticipatory bail. So that would put a stop sign to the "feminazis" in Kerala.
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Dileep Sir I am doing it for other languages also...By evening I will post it for proof reading..

meanwhile this is one more option of providing the slip itself in the pamphlet...

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Updated as per suggestions.

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It is pure imagination that police can vacate the nada panthal. How can they, when thousands of devotees demand that they need to do neyyabhishekam? What can they do? Lathi-charge? Great!! That will be the end of communist rule here.
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Fantastic Sachin..I wished I can push your poat into GDF/Good Posts dhaaga. Swamiye Saranam.

DileepO, commie rule ended the day SC verdict went into blind imposition by @cmokerala.
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Important reference point
Sabarimala Temple issue: Kerala govt submits affidavit in HC

https://www.siasat.com/news/sabarimala- ... c-1431666/
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I read the Kannada translation. It would be better to say in all pamphlets that Kerla Government is forcing police to ...... rather than directly telling police did ....
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Peaceful protests against Publicity seeking Trupti Desai at Kochi Airport . Protestors chanting #SwamiyeAyyappa #Sabarimala
#TruptiDesai https://t.co/dDnTcpE5nd

Check video
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Anjali George @Kuvalayamala 3 hours ago

Tripthi Desai #ReadyToWait till 50 in the Airport



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Updates as of 1430Hrs.
1) BJP local leadership near the temple arrested (and let of on station bail) ;).
2) Police instructions to "sanitise" Sannidhanam. No establishment should remain open after the closure of the sanctum sanctorum, which would be at around 2300Hrs generally. But today since there are no poojas, the sanctum sanctorum may shut down much earlier. Police wants all eateries, Annadana counters to shut shop by 2300Hrs. The report however do NOT mention if the limited number of guest houses, dormitories also would be kept locked. Click here to get Pooja schedule at Sabari Mala hill shrine.
3) Police intelligence recommends kicking out of Trupthi Desai from the state within the earliest possible time. Police first tried to send her up by 1330Hrs flight to Pune, but she refused to go. Now the plan is to use CISF, and the laws related to the running of the airport to "evict" her. Or else she may enter the Guinness book of records for being the woman who spent 41 days in an airport.
Latest update: Trupthi Desai has taken some legal advice. She plans to approach the high court to get an order. She & her family expects the high court to give an order favouring her.
prasannasimha wrote:I read the Kannada translation. It would be better to say in all pamphlets that Kerla Government is forcing police to ...... rather than directly telling police did ....
+1. If this can be done (I see that Dileep has already done the corrections in Malayalam & English versions) across the languages, it would be helpful. The police may get all uppity and feel that the messages are slandering their reputation, when they are really enforcing the government policy. So it is always better to identify the perpetrators at the highest level. There are multiple news reports which show that both Kerala Govt. and Travancore Devaswom Board were in agreement of allowing young women at the temple (and take that as progress). So stuff like "slander", "false accusations" will not work.
Dileep wrote:It is pure imagination that police can vacate the nada panthal. How can they, when thousands of devotees demand that they need to do neyyabhishekam? What can they do? Lathi-charge? Great!! That will be the end of communist rule here.
I do understand that Travancore Devaswom Board who has now grown a spine is totally against the police scheme at the hill temple. The guest houses at the hill top have all got advance booking and they cannot ask the pilgrims to now get away from the hill temple. I am unable to get news on the pilgrim movement, looks like the media is all show casing the Feminazi Trupthi Desai. We need to see the pilgrim inflow by around 1600Hrs today. That may give an indication whether the police will be able to roll out their plans tonight.

Latest update: The pilgrims have been allowed to proceed from Pampa river front to the way to Sannidhanam (i.e the hill top). The numbers are NOT really small. And we still have around 3 more hours to go for the temple to open.
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Trupthi Desai @ Terminal - updates... ;)
1. Jurisdictional Tehsildar have met her and clearly told that if she does not leave, they will have to forcibly send her on another plane. CIAL MD also has asked her clearly to "get lost".
2. Legal advice received is that she has to approach Kerala High Court and get a court order, which then police would be forced to execute. She had some local lawyer friends in Cochin. But they as friends were able to give her legal advice, but told that they will not take up her case. High Court is closed over the week end, so her plea would be only heard at at the earliest on Monday.
(as heard on Mathrubhumi News)
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aunty tripti desai has said that she is "willing" to reconsider her decision to proceed to the temple and go back home. she says "will decide by 7-8 PM today. that's probably when her flight departs.

it looks like the gokl may have told her a few home truths.

the TDB in a meeting to be held very soon now may tactically take a divergent view from the govt, and also "reinforcing" its mythical status as an "independent" body, it may "decide" to approach the kerala HC, asking for more time to implement the SC decision thus diffusing the current situation.

are all commie naxal feminazis as repugnant as this tripti creature??

they make a huge living by lavishly getting funded by sickular forces. ranjana kumari of the big bindhi brigade, a fixture on almost all tv channels on all matters sickular and feminazi is reputed to have received 180-200 odd crores per year from off shore sources and that continues even now.
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What a mess created by the establishment elites for no reason and now opportunist activists getting mileage.
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Friday evening, no much work for today. ;) And just browsing the online news channels.

1. There seems to be serious disconnect between the Travancore Devaswom Board and Kerala Police. The Devaswom Board president has now said that police did not consult them before formalising the security scheme at the hill temple. Even prasadam counters which worked round the clock, will now have to close. That would further hit the revenues of TDB (and not the police ;) ). There are lots of guest houses, dormitories under TDB which has been booked well in advance. Now police says no one will stay there in the night hours. The eatery owners (who have taken this on tender with TDB) have said that they are just closing down their business. For TDB & these small time business folks; this pilgrim season is a big huge cash cow.

2. The officers from K.P on duty at Sabari Mala this time around are all new comers, is what I could understand. Because of which they don't have any clue on the temple pooja timings, crowd movements, and the mandatory rituals. The entire "bandobust scheme" seems to have not seen a proper review. Officers like Sreejith IPS and P. Vijayan IPS who knows Sabari Mala like their own home, are not on duty this time. They may join in at a later point of time. The officers now commanding the police teams have instructed that all police officials would be in their proper "working uniforms" (i.e peak caps, leather belts, boots etc.) Men posted below the hill temple all would have their shields and lathis with them. Salutes to replace Swami saranams. The ethos at Sabari Mala was that every one is a Swami Ayyappa, and all holding an equal rank and status. Police men were Police Swamis, and had a very informal dress code. Camraderie of every one around was the key.

3. Kerala Govt. and the commies who hollered that "allowing entry to every one" is progressiveness, has not even put in 30% of the required efforts to improve the situation at Sabari Mala. This was an area which took maximum hit during the floods. Pampa river (which was flooded) is having a water level of a feet at the bathing points. Toilet blocks are very limited. There has been no reconstruction which happened on war footing, and GoKL and TDB were only focusing on getting young women up this temple.

4. This may be the most botched up Sabari mala pilgrim season ever. The floods were a calamity, but the Supreme Court verdict related fiasco could have been avoided. But all concerned officials and ministers consider the Chief Minister as another Josef Stalin and wait for his instructions for each and every thing. And Stalin himself, has no sense of diplomacy and has to be tutored by a brigade of advisors (all having their own hidden agendas). On social media trolls are at their most severe form. Commies on social media have actually stopped responding; as they have pretty much run out of excuses and reasoning.
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Its the hidden hand behind the commies and urban naxals like this aunty desai that are intentionally lighting the fires. They did not have such a determined opposition during their siege of the Shani Shingnapur temple where the temple trust "caved" in relatively meekly. That temple was "controlled" by the pawarful gang.

She conspicuously toned down her strident protest during the haji ali fracas and made sure she was far away when the drama took place there. After all, survival is an ancient and primaeval instinct and it is usually the very first thing to kick in during a violent scenario.


Trupti Desai's bid to enter Sabarimala grave, audacious provocation: Activist poses challenge to basic tenets of faith


Trupti Desai's bid to enter Sabarimala grave, audacious provocation: Activist poses challenge to basic tenets of faith

Sreemoy Talukdar Nov 16, 2018

Activist Trupti Desai has added more spark to the Sabarimala powder keg. The Bhumata Brigade chief’s decision to visit the shrine of Lord Ayyappa is a needless provocation that may make an already precarious situation more volatile. In choosing to exercise her "right to pray", Desai is not just interloping into the arena of deeply held religious beliefs and practices, she is subjecting faith to the test of social activism. This cannot have a happy ending.

She is also setting a dangerous precedent in a country of great religious diversity where vast differences in customs exist even within the broader canvas of different religions. This is especially true of a polytheistic religion such as Hinduism which has many gods, numerous sects and even greater number of sub-sects. Each has its own rituals and practices. Each Hindu household has its own ‘kuladevata’ (family deity) and own set of rituals for worship. This, in a nutshell, is true pluralism that does not rely on a sacred set of codes or written word. This pluralism is upheld by an internal consensus that is not theoretical but part of a lived experience.

Desai’s activism, based on the abstract notions of ‘right to pray’ and gender equality in religion, endangers this delicate fabric by militating against the core belief of a particular set of devotees who swear by the name of Lord Ayyappa and is desperate to save their religious identity.

For this, the Supreme Court must share a major part of the blame. It is precisely this possibility that Justice Indu Malhotra had foreseen in her prescient dissenting opinion where she wrote: "Permitting PILs in religious matters would open the floodgates to interlopers to question religious beliefs and practises, even if the petitioner is not a believer of a particular religion, or a worshipper of a particular shrine. The perils are even graver for religious minorities if such petitions are entertained."

It may seem quaint to Desai to rain on the age-old beliefs and traditions of Ayyappa devotees who hold the rituals associated with the ‘naishtika brahmachari (eternal celibate) incarnation of Lord Ayyappa sacred in their hearts. Female devotees of Lord Ayyappa are ‘ready to wait’ not because they have been held at the gunpoint of oppressive patriarchy. They are ‘ready to wait’ not because they have “internalised” male-dominated traditions. They choose to do so because they do not want to alter the deity’s “core belief”. In his state of ‘eternal celibacy’, Lord Ayyappa wishes to be spared the presence of women of a menstruating age. True devotees respect this “core belief” and are ready to comply with the deity’s wishes.

Those who are not ready to do so can visit numerous other temples in Kerala, many of Lord Ayyappa himself where he is not in a state of eternal celibacy and therefore there is no age-related restriction on women to visit the shrine. Among the countless Hindu deities, there is only one deity in one temple with rituals unique to his incarnation as an “eternal celibate”, and gender equality warriors have made violation of that unique tradition the high point of their activism.

As argued in a Firstpost article, "Right to Pray' comes with the precondition of faith and if there is no faith in the deity, then ‘right to pray’ is fallacious and insincere. The relationship of practising Hindus with their deities cannot be seen through a monotheistic lens. The many gods come with their many stories, many customs and many practices. Like monotheism, there cannot be one common template to worship."

Desai’s activism is one step ahead of judicial activism. The Supreme Court’s 4:1 judgement allowing women of all ages to visit the shrine is aimed at making it possible for female devotees to pray at the shrine even if they do not recognise and respect Lord Ayyappa's wish. This was already a case of judiciary installing itself as an intermediary between a deity and its followers. What Desai has done is taken it to the next logical step.

Ayyappa devotees who pray at the shrine (including females over 50 years of age) undertake a harsh 41-day vow of abstinence from sex, non-vegetarian food, alcohol and refrain from cutting body hair. As this report from The Indian Express points out, for a "pilgrim to climb the 18 sacred steps to the temple, he/she has to carry the ‘irumudi’ (sacred offerings) from home… Only those who carry the ‘irumudikettu’ are allowed to climb the 18 sacred steps. Other pilgrims and officials reach the main temple through a different entry."

It is unclear whether Desai, who claims to be a devotee and has said she won’t return to Pune without the darshan of Ayyappa, has kept the ‘vratham’ (vow), undergone the rigorous regimen and is carrying the ‘holy bundle’? Does she think the Supreme Court verdict allows her to break all traditions, even those that are associated with worship?

Desai, who landed at the Cochin International Airport on Friday, has been holed up in the airport due to ‘nama japa’ protests. No cab drivers (including app cabs) are ready to ply her from the airport to the hotel. Police have said that they will provide security but only if Desai arranges for her own car. Protesters lay on the road asking the police to take her over their bodies as tension gripped the area.

Desai’s case is not the genuine grievance of a female devotee who wants to pray at the shrine but is prevented from doing so. Her activism is a direct challenge to the basic tenets of a faith, and actions such as hers are altering the pluralistic nature of Hinduism that is built on tolerance and consensus and pushing it towards getting Abrahamic characteristics. Desai possibly doesn’t even grasp the repercussions of her immature conduct. She is playing with fire.
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Finally, the pile of crap landed in our city in the morning will be loaded up on a plane at 9:30pm and bade good riddance.
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Desai, who landed at the Cochin International Airport on Friday, has been holed up in the airport due to ‘nama japa’ protests. No cab drivers (including app cabs) are ready to ply her from the airport to the hotel. Police have said that they will provide security but only if Desai arranges for her own car. Protesters lay on the road asking the police to take her over their bodies as tension gripped the area

https://www.firstpost.com/india/trupti- ... 62381.html
Desai’s case is not the genuine grievance of a female devotee who wants to pray at the shrine but is prevented from doing so. Her activism is a direct challenge to the basic tenets of a faith, and actions such as hers are altering the pluralistic nature of Hinduism that is built on tolerance and consensus and pushing it towards getting Abrahamic characteristics. Desai possibly doesn’t even grasp the repercussions of her immature conduct. She is playing with fire.
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So how can an UnderTrial (the right terminology for someone charged for felony assault, armed robbery etc, hain?) be out doing this garbage still? If she is on bail, aren't there terms like wear a transmitter anklet etc? Doesn't she beep at airport security?
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She was blessed by peewee@cmokerala that they will take care of anklet beeps. But they can't guarantee support for other felony acts except only for her desecration assaults that is supported by GoKL.
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FLASH : Police arrest Prithvipal who leads protests at #Sabarimala

They call it 'Preventive arrest'. Totally arbitrary.
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Must watch
This person is saying “My mother is a Communist. She send me to Sabarimala. She said to me that even if you go to jail for stopping or breaking the leg of women trying to desecrate Sabarimala, it is ok to me”. See the reaction of the lady sitting behind him on hearing this. https://t.co/FDfdlm5W6G
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I won't be sure until this cr@ppy woman lands at Pune airport.
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