Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

[vinod]

FLASH : Police arrest Prithvipal who leads protests at #Sabarimala

They call it 'Preventive arrest'. Totally arbitrary.
#SabarimalaTemple https://t.co/p9iWGAkUdR

I guess, a police operation soon to be expected... will have to see which lady is that they have on stand by.

[UlanBatori]

Classic. And u thought holy yindoo bibis can't do a wolf whistle, hain? The grin following that is priceless!

[UlanBatori]

Big mistake, this "preventive arrest". Is there any evidence of terroristic threat? 1000 Prithvipals will rise. That's what the commie slogan says hain? What is payasam for the commie goon eej aljo payasam 4 Bhakta.

The protest at the airport is really impressive. Super organization and strategy. CIAL MD is no fool: did not hesitate to deliver the kick in the golas to the guvrmand by ordering the terrorist out.

Get the whistle mata i to lead the "arappoo vili" when that plane takes off. R u sure they won't offload the terrorist at the end of the runway and sneak her out through a hole in the fence? Ppl need to watch for such stunts.

[ramana]

Kochi airport


https://twitter.com/Hiranyareta/status/ ... 02304?s=19

[UlanBatori]

#Goosebumps is the right description. How long can they keep up that level of energy? Commies are getting their own medicine up their musharrafs.

[krisna]

http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/ ... 99101.html
p*nguins giving sermons and watching the tamasha

Every citizen is entitled to know what is happening at Sabarimala. What is the harm in allowing media persons at Sabarimala, asked the HC.

The court made the observation when the petition filed by GK Suresh Babu, Chief Editor, Janam TV challenging the media ban in Sabarimala.

This media shot up in its ratings during this period.

[krisna]

Kochi airport


https://twitter.com/Hiranyareta/status/ ... 02304?s=19

pranaams to devotees. Hope this sort of action galvanises all across the country whenever p*nguins and scamgress commie network try their stunts on Hindus. This should serve as a template. Massive unity needed.

[krisna]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 654270.cms

The southern railway has announced Sabarimala festival special trains to clear the extra rush of pilgrims.

[vinod]

http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/ ... 99101.html
p*nguins giving sermons and watching the tamasha

Every citizen is entitled to know what is happening at Sabarimala. What is the harm in allowing media persons at Sabarimala, asked the HC.

The court made the observation when the petition filed by GK Suresh Babu, Chief Editor, Janam TV challenging the media ban in Sabarimala.

This media shot up in its ratings during this period.

JanamTV and their janasabha programme, nullified pretty much the other all commie owned medias efforts in marginalizing Hindu voice....
They have very few resources and requires complete support. They need to up their quality and improve the caliber of the presenters if they are to sustain the rating pick up they have got due to this Sabarimala issue.

[krisna]

https://www.livemint.com/Politics/9dbrC ... ntain.html

Chitra Ramaswamy from Palakkad district in Kerala got up from bed on Friday early morning, and switched on the pro-right news channel Janam TV first thing.
Since last night, the channel, which from the back rows became a front runner in viewership over the last month, was scrolling the flight number and the time of arrival of gender activist Trupti Desai in Kochi airport.
“I learned that she has arrived in Kochi. I just could not take it anymore. So we (the family) got ready in half an hour and drove to Kochi and participated in the protest,” she said, squatting outside the airport 112km away from home, where she is for the first time.

Pranaams to her and many more Hindus like her

Desai knew the groundswell in favour of keeping the ban, and the public wrath against her visit, but was so keen on visiting the temple against all odds that she did not even book a return flight.

she is known scamgress activist interested only in hurting Hindus .

The ideological fervour of the conservative mob had changed the whole atmosphere of the airport, one of the most tightly secured sites in the region.
The parking ground which never allowed any vehicles other than cars who have undergone strict security clearance and paid a high parking fee, was taken over by hundreds of small and big vehicles which kept coming until evening.

The corridors rattled with loud, devotional chants in stark contrast against its usual silence and discipline.
Once, Desai waved at the crowd, and everyone jumped on their feet shouting in protest.

Swamiye Sharanam Ayaappa-- as usual the presstitutes paints it in negative tone

“If she comes out, she is finished,” said a male protestor wearing the customary black dress of Sabarimala pilgrim. A while ago, one of the backers of the protests, Rahul Easwar, a popular television panellist, was telling a television channel live: “They are following Gandhian methods. They will not threaten or abuse anyone.”

Padmaja S Menon thinks “activists” like Desai only want to enter the temple “to become an icon”. Desai has also become a laughing stock among the devotees because of a list of demands she placed before the state while announcing her visit to Sabarimala. In a letter to chief minister Pinarayi Vijayan, she asked the state to pay up even her taxi and hotel bills in the name of providing protection.

(or course with Hindu money)

“Why are we alive if she succeeds? She will visit only after killing the last Hindu alive in Kerala,” said Menon, who is the president of Mahila Morcha, BJP’s women’s wing in the district in which the airport lies, Ernakulam. She has been at the airport since 4 am and does not plan to leave until Desai returns.
For people like Menon, the continuity of the ban is a link with the past to assert the authority of the majoritarian religion amidst influential communists and significantly large minorities in Kerala. There are also those who seek in the emotional belief in the past, an ultimate meaning of life.

In front of their physical force and political muscle from Bharatiya Janata Party and Congress, the two main opposition parties backing the protesters, the police looks helpless.

(interesting that scamgress gets mentioned in benign way as supporter- truthi desai is a scamgress activist. But lawyers and others battling in courts on both sides belong to scamgress networks)

A security officer at the airport, who did not want to be named, wonders what the state could do on the jungles on which Sabarimala lies, if it cannot provide security for a woman even in an ultra-modern place like the airport.
. The terrain of the Sabarimala mountain is such that it will take hours from the base camp, some 20km away now, to reach the temple, after an arduous trek. The mob can easily outnumber the police officers, and cannot be dealt with excessive force in fear of sparking further religious tensions, he said.

[krisna]

as predicted, the usual suspects in TDB have petitioned the p* nguins for more time to implement their order.

[UlanBatori]

AoA! Rehana Bibi seems destined to enjoy "polis protection" for extended period

KOCHI: Kerala High Court on Friday dismissed anticipatory bail plea of activist Rehana Fathima, .. in a case registered by Pathanamthitta police alleging hurting religious sentiments.. under section 295 A (deliberate and malicious acts, intended to outrage religious feelings or any class by insulting its religion or religious beliefs) of IPC.
Per prosecution, (rehanabibi) with deliberate intention of outraging the religious feelings of Ayyappa devotees uploaded in her Facebook account a picture of Lord Ayyappa, with a ribbon wrapped around the lower limb of Ayyappa, which was being cut by a woman using scissors. She also posted a photograph of her, wearing a attire of a devotee of Ayyappa and posed in sexually explicit posture. These posts wounded the religious feelings of devotees. The investigation in the case is progressing, submitted senior public prosecutor Suman Chakravarthy.
The court noted that even though she intended to visit Sabarimala, she has no case that she is the devotee of Ayyappa. "Definitely, the three photographs cumulatively and independently are seen, prima facie appear to have the propensity to wound the religious feeling of the devotees or create confusion in their mind and may affect the religious feelings of the devotees," observed the court.
Justice Sunil Thomas pointed out that it did not prima facie appear to be unintentional or innocuous since she herself claims to be a believer of an Advaita system of faith. "It is to be investigated whether the posts were deliberately intended to outrage the religious feelings of the community. It has also to be verified whether other persons are involved and whether posts were made as a part of a larger conspiracy. The computer used for uploading the posts have also to be seized," observed the court.

That exposes, no pun intended, a lot about that.

[chetak]

Sabarimala row: Devaswom Board's decision to move SC may ease tension looming over the pilgrimage season

Sabarimala row: Devaswom Board's decision to move SC may ease tension looming over the pilgrimage season

India TK Devasia Nov 16, 2018


The decision of the Travancore Devaswom Board (TDB) to move the Supreme Court for more time to implement its 28 September verdict allowing women of all ages to enter the Lord Ayyappa temple at Sabarimala may ease the tension looming large over the two-month-long pilgrimage season that began on Friday amid strong protests.

The Board took the decision following a tacit nod given by Chief Minister Pinarayi Vijayan in the wake of an all-party-meeting and the talks with the thantri and Pandalam royal families in the state capital on Thursday. TDB president A Padma Kumar said that the decision was taken based on the suggestions made at the meetings.

He said that the legal experts the board consulted had opined that the plea could be accepted by the apex court as the board did not get enough time to reconstruct the assets damaged by the August flood and to provide additional facilities for women to visit the temple and perform the darshan safely.

The TDB president said that the petition to be filed on 17 or 19 November would also point out the restrictions imposed by the Central Empowered Committee on new constructions in the hill top and the refusal by the forest department to concede land to provide more facilities to the pilgrims.

Devotees enter the Sabarimala temple as it opens amid tight security. PTIDevotees enter the Sabarimala temple as it opens amid tight security. PTI
The move by the TDB has been welcomed by the temple thantri and the Pandalam royal family, the former custodian of the temple. The Congress and the BJP had made this suggestion at the all-party meeting. However, the chief minister had refused to heed the suggestion and mooted separate dates for women from the restricted age group to visit the temple.

However, he relented when the thantri and Pandalam family representatives remained firm on their stance. The thantri had threatened to close the temple during the monthly puja when the police tried to take a couple of women below the age of 50 to the temple.

The chief minister backed out of his adamant stand of implementing the court verdict in order to placate the protesters, who foiled the bid by about 20 women in the age group of 10 to 50 from entering the temple during the puja in October and November.

The TDB was initially reluctant to exercise the option of approaching the Supreme Court for more time. However, it took the decision following the huge devotees' protests led by Bharatiya Janata Party and Sangh Parivar mounted against the attempt by Bhumatha Brigade chief Trupti Desai to visit the temple.

The protesters swung into action even before the Maharashtra-based women activists arrived at the Kochi airport from Pune at 4.30 am. They swooped on the arrival terminal of the airport and prevented her from coming out of the airport.

As the news spread, more protesters, including large number of women, joined the protest and laid siege to the airport, derailing its functioning and causing hardships to the passengers. As the protesters refused to allow the 33-year-old woman to come out of the airport, the government which had promised to provide protection to young women to enter the temple directed the police to persuade her to drop her plan.

She relented only after 13 hours. Trupti agreed to return, saying that she will come back to Kerala before the end of the Mandala Makaravilakku festival that will go on till 20 January. Before leaving, Trupti said she was not returning because of the protests but due to the law and order problem it would create.

The BJP and the Sangh Parivar, which have been spearheading the agitation against the entry of the women at Sabarimala, are not ready to drop the vigil they have mounted around the hill shrine. Kerala BJP president PS Sreedharan Pillai said that the party will continue its agitations till the government refrained from implementing the verdict.

He said that the party would also launch an agitation against the failure by the government and the TDB to provide basic facilities to the pilgrims. The infrastructure facilities available for pilgrims to perform the daily chores, rest and even take bath before the darshan, were destroyed by the flood. Though the TDB had promised to re-build the damaged assets before the commencement of the season, it has failed to restore even 50 percent of the facilities.

The party has also come down heavily on the government for handing over the control of the temple to the police. The BJP chief said that Sabarimala was under police raj.

The season began under a tight security blanket. The cops had taken control of the entire area and the roads leading to the hill shrine from Thursday itself after district administration brought the Sannidhanam and three other base camps under prohibitory orders under Section 144 of Criminal Procedure Ccde (CrPC).

All roads to the hill shrine have been declared security zones from Thursday onwards till 20 January, when the temple closes after the pilgrimage. The entire area has been divided into six regions and 15,259 police officials have been deployed for security. In all, 55 SPs, 113 DySPs, 359 circle-inspectors and 1,450 sub-inspectors will oversee the security situation in the region.

As many as 920 women police personnel, including 860 civil police officers and 60 officers in the rank of circle inspectors and sub-inspectors have been lined up to provide protection to women devotees. Apart from this, a 20-member commando team, a 234-member bomb squad and two companies of National Disaster Response Force have been stationed at Sannidhanam and Nilakkal.

The police have also imposed restrictions on the devotees, who will not be allowed to stay back after the darshan, particularly during night. This is to avoid gathering of protesters in the disguise of devotees at the hill top. A large number of RSS personnel had entered the hill shrine during the monthly puja in October and special puja on 6 November and prevented even women outside the restricted age group from going to the temple.

The devotees have been protesting against the restrictions. Following the protests, Devaswom minister Kadakampally Surendran intervened and forced the police to relax some of the conditions, especially the direction to close the shops and puja material counters at 10 pm.

The TDB president said that the shops and counters will remain open 24 hours. He said that the board would also ask the government to relax the condition over limiting the stay of the devotees till 10 pm. This will prevent the devotees from taking part in the Neyyabhishekham, which is usually held at 5.30 am every day.

“We respect the devotees’ right to do darshan and perform the rituals as per their faith and tradition. We will not allow anybody to restrict this right. I am confident that all the devotees coming to Sabarimala will be able to undertake the pilgrimage as usual,” he added.

[Sachin]

Finally, the pile of crap landed in our city in the morning will be loaded up on a plane at 9:30pm and bade good riddance.

I won't be sure until this cr@ppy woman lands at Pune airport.

The flight which took off from CIAL at 2130Hrs - towards Maharashtra side - was only AI055, with destination Mumbai. The direct flight to Pune from CIAL is only at 0025Hrs tomorrow (17th Nov). Flight schedules at CIAL is available at http://www.cial.aero .

They call it 'Preventive arrest'. Totally arbitrary.

It cannot be arbitrary because Sec 144 Cr.PC has been imposed at the shrine and surroundings for the next 7 days. These measures how ever will only work with Ayyappa bhakths who are not "pilgrims" per-se. The police with these detentions are only trying to stop local non-pilgrim groups from intefering. How much of this would work needs to be seen now.

Its the hidden hand behind the commies and urban naxals like this aunty desai that are intentionally lighting the fires.

Every unwanted character who tried entry at Sabari Mala, have got one thing in common. They all had dubious history (including religious history). From what I have observed, many of these women were X'ians with Hindu sounding names. Rehana Fathima is the only person who had a very Muslim sounding name. And now there are rumours that Trupti Desai herself is an X'ian from the last three years. With Malayalis being every where (including the moon), these kind of details would soon start leaking out. Rest assured, these were all part of one big campaign. I don't think the Kerala CPI(M) leadership knows about the "long term" plans, but they were all convinced to support this "liberation move". The current CPI(M) gang from northern kerala, do not have any visionary of holistic thinking at all. All they have is bloated egos, and this being misused.

If she is on bail, aren't there terms like wear a transmitter anklet etc? Doesn't she beep at airport security?

Saar, US justice system is totally different from what is in India!! . A bail here, pretty much means that it is free movement. She may have some mandate to sign at a police station once a day every month. That is the "transmitter anklet" equivalent we have here.

This media shot up in its ratings during this period.

JanamTV was the BJP sponsored channel. They were ignored because BJP had no big say in KL. But with the Sabari Mala issue, things changed. They are now the most watched channel in Kerala today (which also shows that pretty much every household are still religiously Hindus). The CPI(M) sponsored channels have gone down way below in the visibility ratings. Just because of the Sabari Mala issue this channel has now become the most trustable new channel. Other channels which categorised every Hindu protestor as a Sangh/RSS/BJP/Communal fascist had to tone down their style. Not because of any love towards the temple, but because of the downward trend in the rating.

I checked up this channel some time back. Looks like things are stable at Sannidhanam (from the pilgrim perspective). They are just highlighting the difficulties which the pilgrims are facing. That is lack of proper facilities etc. It is more of reporting of a political nature.

Update 2307Hrs IST: The polizei is now trying to clear up the Sannidhanam area. They are forcing the pilgrims to move to a location down hill (Marakootam) which is around 900mts down stream. But looks like there are many more pilgrims already at the spot, and a complete evacuation is not possible.

Sabarimala row: Devaswom Board's decision to move SC may ease tension looming over the pilgrimage season

And because of this very same reason, I don't think GoKL and K.P would try any new stunts to take young women up the shrine this time. There will be no confronting moves from the police. The much acclaimed Commando units, water cannons etc; will never be used. And I also see that key protestor-pilgrims have already reached the hill shrine (perhaps just around 900 mts away from the trouble spot).

[ramana]

Folks many of you are on twitter. please post screenshots of relevant tweets to reduce the traffic and angst.
Thanks, ramana

[UlanBatori]

OT maybe, but ppl here may want to revijit some history of Malloostan. This event is cited in many of the early songs of the communists: I just now looked up WTF it was.
I can't see such crackdowns happening in today's KL with NaMorajya at Dilli, but.... things were not always so free and happy.

The brutal famine conditions in Travancore Kingdom during the Second World war (WW2) had pushed the peasants towards the Communists. 21000+ peasants died in Cherthala taluk alone during the Famine (1939-43). Discontent in Cherthala & Ambalapuzha taluks grew against Diwan. In March 1946, Alappuzha was filled up by Travancore Police to crack down the members of ATTUC (All Travancore Trade Union Congress).
... over 2000 communists attacked police stations all across Alappuzha and practically established their own communist government. T.. from Cherthala to Ambalapuzha, a stretch of 40km in Alappuzha. The communist cadres in Alappuzha were given military training by ex-servicemen who had returned home from World War 2. The communist cadres were armed with country weapons, especially varikundams (spears made out of arecanut tree stems).

On 25 October 1946 (Maharajah's Birthday), the new Travancore constitution was to be implemented, making Travancore an independent country. Over 1000 communists in Vayalar fiercely retaliated this move and this led to attacks and deaths of Travancore police officials and government officials in that region. Dismayed by the turn of events, the Diwan declared martial law in Alleppey on 25 October 1946. The Travancore army moved from their camp and surrounded the communists at Vayalar by 27 October. The Travancore navy supported the army in isolating Vayalar, which is surrounded by water on three sides. Once the blockade was in place, the army moved in. A prodigious killing then took place, and over 470 communists were massacred within few minutes. When the communist front line reached the Travancore army, a brutal hand to hand combat took place & 40 Travancore soldiers were killed.

On the same day, at least 130 people were killed in army firings, elsewhere in the district. The local people and press maintain that many more people were killed and the bodies disposed by the army. Historian A. Sreedhara Menon estimates that over a thousand people were killed during the Punnapra-Vayalar outbreak. Atrocities were not one sided, and there are reports of murders of Travancore policemen after they had surrendered to the communists, during the early stages of the disturbances.[citation needed] Police Inspector Velayudhan Nadar had moved forward to reason out with the communists, but he was brutally stabbed to death. This hardened the stance of the police and the armed forces. Following the suppression of the communist local governments, the Travancore police used heavy-handed methods to repress the political movement in the region and detained many activists without any trial. ..
Historian Manu S Pillai described Punnapra-Vayalar as an Ezhava - Dalit uprising against the Travancore Kingdom. The communists who took part in Punnapra revolt were mostly coir workers of Rural Alappuzha. They still form the backbone of Communist parties in Kerala even today. Punnapra-Vayalar is described by Robin Jeffrey as the only moment in history when an organized working class led an armed revolt against a British backed Kingdom.

What's the relevance here? This: if this degenerates into violence, guvrmand history and inclinations of response are not much better than that of Soviet-backed commies in Hungary.

[ramana]

Per info women has reached pampa and police has emptied premises...If the tradition are broken tantri will close temple tomorrow.
PeeWee order is to ensure sanctity violated by allowing these women activists.
What I don't know is why Tantri cannot close the temple due to the gathering storm?

[UlanBatori]

This is why I say that emphasis should shift smoothly to civilizational war, rather than Keep Even 1 Wimmens Out or Lose Sanctity. Not to lose momentum and start crying defeat just because one commie woman manages to traverse the temple: the commies coming there are faaar worse violation.
I meant to ask this before, but what happens when a commie/ahindu TDB Member comes on Phakt-Phinding Mishun? I bet everyone grovels and snivels and accompanies Him inside, hain?

The intent to violate is there, one way or another. So TDB and commiestan should both go.

Go Pinnarayi! And take TDB with u!

Set up Bhakta Team for every temple in Malloostan/ India, take over direct management.
What I want Indians to demand is, automatic 80G 100% tax deduction for all donations to any temple. Of course with tax-exempt status for all temples.
That one thing will improve the lot of Hindu temples by orders of magnitude, IMO, and through traceable, transparent funding, not just cash/gold in the Bhandaram.

Remember 1970/71? Pakis hijacked IA aircraft to Karachi using "JKLF".
Made a big show of burning it up on Karachi tarmac with world TV looking on. India helpless.
Indira Gandhi banned overflights between East and West Pak. Pakis screwed.

So let GoKL bring commie wimmens through temple by low treachery, no violence, declare victory. MASSIVE nationwide move to overthrow Devaswom type scams, replace with citizen teams and 80G tax deduction funding, no State Govt involvement.

[SaiK]

.. demand is, automatic 80G 100% tax deduction for all donations to any temple. Of course with tax-exempt status for all temples.....MASSIVE nationwide move to overthrow Devaswom type scams, replace with citizen teams and 80G tax deduction funding, no State Govt involvement.

[SaiK]

"It is not practical to bring in any type of control on the age-old practices. Hence, the Board has already communicated to the Devaswom minister that no such restrictions can be imposed. The minister has spoken to the DGP and has asked him to withdraw all these restrictions with immediate effect,"

>>>>>SO FREAKING CONTRADICTING!!!!<<<<<<<<

Travancore Devaswom Board (TDB) on Friday decided to approach Supreme Court to seek more time to implement its verdict allowing entry of women of all ages to Sabarimala temple. The petition will be filed on Saturday or Monday by TDB's counsel Chander Uday Singh.

WHAT IS GOING ON?

WHY WOULD THEY SEEK TIME TO IMPLEMENT RATHER SEEK TO REVERSE THE DECISION?
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 661462.cms

[UlanBatori]

The interesting development is that the Bhaktas of SabariMala have got organized and developed a series of pamphlets suitable for social media and other means. It's message is simple: DO NOT GIVE DONATIONS TO THE DEVASWOM BOARD "BHANDARAMs" (Hundis). Instead give money directly to the priests and other locals who keep temples running.

This is not a sustainable situation: we cannot starve our temples!!!
At the same time, the wonderful communist govt has ensured that Hindus in Kerala are for the first time in my memory, riled enough to actually get up and act. Some videos of the demonstration at Kochi International Airport that persuaded Smt. Trupti Desai to return to Pune, are absolutely thrilling, from the sheer enthusiasm of the "protestors".

This is a unique opportunity.

Can you tell me why India's "80G" in the Tax Code does not allow tax deductions for donations to (Hindu) temples? I am nearly sure that Minority Places of Worship DO qualify. Maybe they argue that the 10% Tithe is religiously mandated and hence qualifies as tax-deductible.

Some organizations (such as the Swami Vivekananda Single Teacher Schools) qualify for a 50% deduction under 80G: If I give 10 rupees to them, 5 rupees can be subtracted from my taxable income.

If I give to a temple, I get no deduction: So I pay tax on the money I give, to the US treasury, or the Indian treasury to fund Haj etc.

How can we change this? With a Hindu Nationalist govt in power maybe for the last 6 months in the next decade?

I suggest a strong campaign:

CHANGE 80G TO EXEMPT HINDU TEMPLE DONATIONS 100%!

This would enable every neighborhood "Kshetra Punaruddharana Samiti" to get enough donations via traceable cheque/ electronic payment rather than cash deposited in the Devaswom Hundi.

What do you think?

[SaiK]

This is #Kerala
Midnight arrest
Shashikala Teacher, Hindu Front leader and voice of Hindus of #Kerala , being arrested at Pamba at 1. 30 AM while on her way to #Sabarimala
What about her #RightToPray ? https://t.co/xEGDgaN0TY

Video

[hnair]

Some videos of the demonstration at Kochi International Airport that persuaded Smt. Trupti Desai to return to Pune, are absolutely thrilling, from the sheer enthusiasm of the "protestors".

Please check out the videos of Mallus@Mumbai airport and mallus@pune outside the apartment where Tutty-fruity lives. This seems to have evolved into trans-world movement and frankly, needs a lot of study!!!

UB-sir, that fear of a crazy crackdown you keep harping on, that is not something that troubles the Brotherhood of Ayyappas. That is something that troubles wise old men of Lutyens Dilli. Last time that happened was at another golden colored temple and it caused lots of death and the Indian economy, a bit of money during worse times. Also this time there are no AK-phyr to justify 30mm damages at Sannidhanam kodi-maram, but peaceful chants as the middle-finger

If rest of India (particularly North) doesn’t come streaming in to Kerala, in support of the still ongoing “300”-movie style last-stand of a handful of black lungi-clad ayyappas at Marakkkoottam grove, this can be fast split up as a “Fundamentalist Kerala hindus vs rest of India” media campaign, as those backing Tutty-fruiti’s recent trip hoped for.

Really need reinforcements!

[hnair]

A question I asked to a khaki-knicker clad dear friend of mine: what happened at Shani Singhapur?

If there was difficulty in implementing court orders there (with an unsympathetic state govt unlike kerala) the courts won’t have been assured of compliance like the govt side informs them

Did not get a good answer. So bracing to witness a lonely last stand....

[Sachin]

Sabari Mala round up
Point #1 - no young woman have landed up as of now. Other wise it was a daily soap opera which starts at 0700Hrs with police going up the hill with some feminazi or the other. But for a change, not today.

Yesterday the police had said that they would "sanitise" the hill top temple and would not allow any one to camp there. Then the Travancore Devaswom Board grew a spine and said that, such a move would back fire. The usual process flow at the temple will not work out. The police was said to have relented. But yesterday much later in the night the police started pushing back the pilgrims who were to camp and do the mandatory Ghee abhisheka which only starts at 0300Hrs. What the police did was to push back the pilgrims to another holding area (on the trekking route) known as Marakootam (literally: thick forest). So looks like the police had their way yesterday.

It was later in the night that Hindu movement leaders like Sasikala etc was arrested. She had come with all the mandatory items to take darshan at the temple. To be frank, whether her visit was required at this point, I don't think so. But she did come after following every custom & tradition to do this pilgrimage. She is now detained at Ranni PS and various organisations have started the state festival of Kerala; i.e Bandh/Harthal. So with no immediate danger (i.e no woman activist coming up), the events at Sabari Mala is now moving from religious to pure politics.

Channels like Janam TV are now focusing on highlighting the lack of preperation from the TDB side, and the lack of facilities for the pilgrims. The change in the police attitude & behaviour is also being clearly show cased. Other "secular" channels are trying to tone down the whole issue, and most likely would only show the "positive" (if any) side of events at Sabari Mala. After their viewership levels going down "secular" channels have at least started considering the pilgrims, as Ayyappa Bhakths rather than their earlier classifications of "Hindu fundamentalists", "reactionaries", "Sangh Parivar activists" etc.

As of now:-
1. Pilgrims have started arriving in full flow. They are even allowed to walk from the base camp at Nilakkal (no mandatory journey by Ke.SRTC).
2. From checking of QR code etc, looks like the police is now just giving paper slips and taking a head count of the pilgrims. QR code system seems to have gone for a six .
3. All the forests routes have also opened, and pilgrims have started entering via that route as well. These routes generally land at Pampa river point.
4. BJP plans to take these protests out side KL as well .
5. Rahul Eswar the most loud-mouthed of the protesting pilgrims makes a hasty retreat after police tells him that he would be arrested as well. As I said earlier this rabble rouser's true intentions are still not known.
6. Travancore Devaswom Board's new petition to Hon.SC would be submitted on Monday.
7. We need to see how the situation progresses through out the day. The usual channels I watch, have now kind of stopped the 24/7 event reporting from Sabari Mala . May be presstitutes now find the events at Sabari Mala boring and not worth reporting. They will come back, once another young woman lands up.

[abhijitm]

For non-mallu crowd, how to get Janam TV website in English?

Open translate.google.com
Paste https://janamtv.com/ in the box
You will see the same link in 'translated' box - ensure you are translating to English
Click the link in translated box (its the same link, internally translated content)
You will get the website in English

Edit : No need to go through above. Found a link Janam TV National on their website. It opens their site in English.

[Sachin]

What's the relevance here? This: if this degenerates into violence, guvrmand history and inclinations of response are not much better than that of Soviet-backed commies in Hungary

The commies try to claim Punnapra-Vayalar uprising as a "revolution", which helped Travancore gain independence. But that is not entirely true. In this uprising the commie leadership clearly tricked the poor peasents by saying that police and Travancore Army would treat them very kindly. The "revolutionaries" brutally killed Police Inspector Velayudhan Nadar (a close friend of Insp. Sathyaneshan Nadar, who was later the movie actor "Sathyan"). From then own it was pay back time for the commies. They were brutally attacked and the movement suppressed. Two folks who communists still euologise in Kerala, EMS Namboodirippad and VS Achuthanandan; both were never in the scene when the state retaliated . The first chap was busy having fun at a meeting organised by his caste organisation, the second said that he has a "pending arrest warrant" and scooted to another unknown place.

But the Sabari Mala fiasco actually reminds me of the Vimochana Samaram (Strike for freedom) in which the first elected Communist Govt. in an Indian state was kicked out by the central govt. It was mainly because of faulty "progressive moves" of the commies, which lead to severe L&O problems across the state.

It's message is simple: DO NOT GIVE DONATIONS TO THE DEVASWOM BOARD "BHANDARAMs" (Hundis). Instead give money directly to the priests and other locals who keep temples running.
This is not a sustainable situation: we cannot starve our temples!!!

No temple which is being handled in genuine fashion would starve. Kerala has changed a lot, and for a genuine temple maintenance/rebuild there would be money flowing in. But what has happened is that the Devaswom Boards are sitting on top of money, and they are being arrogant. So what is required is to financially break their backs, and only allow them with funds to sustain. For any other plans, they have to approach the devotees for donations. This would also ensure that devotees would get a say on what is happening. Currently it is Devaswom Boards have all the money, their work force is like any other labour union, and they just ignore the common devotees.

Not to lose momentum and start crying defeat just because one commie woman manages to traverse the temple: the commies coming there are faaar worse violation.

For such events there is always a parihara kriya (penance ritual). The chief priest knows it, but he categorically said that it would be time consuming and secondly can only be used in case of genuine mistakes. So repeatedly brining in women, an repeatedly doing the penance ritual would become a farce.

WHY WOULD THEY SEEK TIME TO IMPLEMENT RATHER SEEK TO REVERSE THE DECISION?

That is because the CPI(M) led "revolutionary" government, and the "progressive" Travancore Devaswom Board all have been repeatedly assuring the Hon.SC that they are just too happy to change the religious practise at Sabari Mala. They have taken a stance, and cannot take a U turn now. If they now go and tell that they want to retain the existing practises, Hon.SC may be give them such a drubbing that they will die of shock. So now it is their way to weasel out of the issue by asking for more time. They are trying to say they want more forest land (it is a reserve forest, in which Central Govt. also has a say), more facilities to be built etc.

If rest of India (particularly North) doesn’t come streaming in to Kerala, in support of the still ongoing “300”-movie style last-stand of a handful of black lungi-clad ayyappas at Marakkkoottam grove, this can be fast split up as a “Fundamentalist Kerala hindus vs rest of India” media campaign, as those backing Tutty-fruiti’s recent trip hoped for.

The main stream media (like NDTV) in northern India is taking the expected stance. That it is "communal Hindoos messing up the constituition" etc. But on social media I did see lots of people from North India, who actually appreciated the Kerala Hindus for sticking to their guns and protecting their belief system. So looks like the Aam Aadmi up north also knows what exactly is happening at Sabari Mala.

This seems to have evolved into trans-world movement and frankly, needs a lot of study!!!

Yes. May be I would type down some points which I consider unique about all this. Not now, a bit later

[Dileep]

This Hartal is a very bad move. It was because of the hartal that the "nude model cum activitist" could be taken upto Nada Panthal. We need the highest crowd density at Sannidhanam to overwhelm the bandobust.

SC ain't gonna hear the 'delay petition'. There is no ground for a 'delay' sanctioned by the court for a fundamental right issue. The only option for delay is for the police or executive magistrate (collector/RDO) to declare law and order situation and issue an injunction. That ain't gonna happen either. So, the tamasha will continue.

[Yagnasri]

My sister and others relatives are visiting during this month end. I have told them not to give any money in the Hundi of any Kerala temple. I have also told my sister to reconsider visiting Temple as there may be a problem and being aged she can not save herself if something happens.

[ramana]

Yagnasri, Take a look at UB's suggestion on 80G of the tax code!
Thanks.

[Dileep]

Temples will not starve. There are 'advisory committees' formed by the devotees at most temples, which is separate from the DB. They take care of infra enhancements, 'annadanam' etc. The idea is to donate to these entities, and to the priests and employees directly.

As it is, we donate liberally to these folk, at least at the and of mahabali. I once met a priest from north KL who recently got hired into TDB and placed at a temple here. He was blown away by the 'dakshina' he started getting from people. At his place, people hardly make any direct dakshina, but here, people take a Rs 5 ticket for Archana and pay Rs 10 to the priest as Dakshina. This culture should spread, to take care of the poor folk who take care of our deities.

[Yagnasri]

Yagnasri, Take a look at UB's suggestion on 80G of the tax code!
Thanks.

I am not well versed in Tax matters. Still, if IT benefits are needed the provisions of the law makes the purpose of the trust etc has to become one without caste of religious basis. IT exception will be given based on the documents (and bribes) which shall contain a clause that the purpose of the trust etc is bla bla bla and will be done without any caste, religion etc etc words.

We can, of course, create a trust where documents comply with the said provision and then does whatever we want in a careful manner. caste may not be a problem as we can organise good programmes for SC-STs etc and no one can point a finger at us, but religion will be. I am sure we can overcome with. One IT exception is given and tax returns etc are properly done there may not be much problem.

If someone is serious about this I can help with the people (Old time sanghis) I know for getting tax exemption thing.

[SaiK]

GoKL has gone evil. Watch

Barricades put up are preventing devotees from reaching water faucets.

#Sabarimala
#SabarimalaTemple https://t.co/dPT6yYlCfx

[chetak]

A question I asked to a khaki-knicker clad dear friend of mine: what happened at Shani Singhapur?

If there was difficulty in implementing court orders there (with an unsympathetic state govt unlike kerala) the courts won’t have been assured of compliance like the govt side informs them

Did not get a good answer. So bracing to witness a lonely last stand....

There may be a growing feeling that not enough protests were made in MH to stop the onslaught of sickular forces which interfered in the inherent freedoms given for worship in the majority community.

this creature trupti isabel desai was beaten back quite effectively by a determined crowd of devotees.

aunty desai is not known for her staying power. she figured that it would be a quick in and out, with a massive KL police contingent in escort, and an adoring, cheering, "brutally" suppressed populace that ecstatically welcomed their new "right to prey" champion and hysterical tv crews reporting and electronically chronicling her every move and also hanging on to every word that she said.

The end result was ghanta and gobar.

tail firmly between her legs, she slunk back to MH in disgrace with no one even willing to condole her sickular, unsuccessful foray on behalf of her paymasters in the BIF.

[chetak]

why is the KL govt hell bent on implementing SC verdicts selectively??

Why has the SC verdict, on the St Mary’s Orthodox Syrian Church at Piravom, not been implemented so far??

Why the tearing hurry to enforce the SC verdict in the case of Sabarimala only??

Surely, if one case merits the use of diplomacy and the conciliatory path of amicable settlement, so does the other, no??

Or is is a case of some communities being more equal than others??


Control over Orthodox churches: Will try for amicable settlement, govt tells HC

Control over Orthodox churches: Will try for amicable settlement, govt tells HC

Mahir Haneef, Jul 18, 2018,

KOCHI: State government has informed the Kerala high court that it would try for an amicable settlement between the two warring factions of Syrian Orthodox Church in the matter of control over churches.

Through a judgment issued in July last year, the Supreme Court had ruled in favour of the Orthodox faction and had stated that they had the right to conduct administration and prayers in the churches as per a 1934 constitution of the church. But this had left the Jacobite faction unhappy and they had declared at a function held at Kaloor in February that they would not hand over any church to the Orthodox faction.

In the statement filed to the court through senior government pleader PP Thajudeen, home department of the government said it is trying for an amicable solution as there has been continued escalation of tensions between the two factions after the apex court's judgments and they are often resulting in law and order problems.

In February this year, Jacobite faction conducted a rally at Marine Drive, which was attended by more than one lakh believers. In April, the two factions clashed with each other and two criminal cases were registered at Piravom police station. In May, one faction tried to conduct mass in a church and the other faction opposed. Further clashes were avoided due to timely intervention of police, home department’s affidavit stated while adding that the State Machinery is trying to find peaceful resolution to the issue in view of the escalated tensions between the two factions.

Heads of both the factions had approached the government and assured that they did not desire any violence and the chief minister assured the Legislative Assembly that the apex court’s order would be implemented and that steps would be taken to solve the issue through discussion and by maintaining peace, the court was told.

Home department’s affidavit also said threats of suicide were raised by some members of Jacobite faction to prevent the Orthodox faction from entering St Mary’s Orthodox Syrian Church at Piravom. Any issue at Piravom may spread to other parts of the state and police would be forced to provide protection to all the churches of both factions throughout the state, the affidavit said.

Government is bound to act as per judgments of the court and to maintain law and order. At the same time, chance for a peaceful resolution is also to be explored. Considering the sensitive nature of the issue at hand, the court should accord sufficient operational freedom to the police and desist from issuing time-bound directions on the issue, government has requested in the affidavit.

[chetak]

OT

posted for wider publicity and for those who may be interested in attending this event.

[Sachin]

This Hartal is a very bad move. It was because of the hartal that the "nude model cum activitist" could be taken upto Nada Panthal. We need the highest crowd density at Sannidhanam to overwhelm the bandobust.

Yes. IMHO what ever was "gained" by RSS folks like Valsan Thillankeri would now get washed away by this "hartal" drama. This whole protest would lose its meaning if it becomes a "protest for the sake of protesting". Then it would come down from the level of "devotion" to that of "politriks". This lock down on the state has actually hit the pilgrims coming from other states to Kerala. Many of them will not even know that there is a harthal declared in the middle of the night. Poor folks would get stranded, and even KSRTC has now stopped their services. Now when these poor pilgrims would complain and ask who was behind this harthal? GoKL and the commies will point and say BJP, RSS etc.

Sangh Parivar organisations should now tone down their rhetoric. Be on the guard, but don't cause problems just for political purpose. This pilgrim season is going to be a disaster; because of the poor infrastructure problems every where. In fact on social media, it is these issues which are getting traction. Lack of sanitary facilities, sleeping facilities etc. needs to be highlighted. Pillory the government and Devaswom Board on these issues. But just trying to disrupt the existing process, forcing the police to make arrests etc. would soon back fire.

Temples will not starve. There are 'advisory committees' formed by the devotees at most temples, which is separate from the DB. They take care of infra enhancements, 'annadanam' etc. The idea is to donate to these entities, and to the priests and employees directly.

I am aware of the advisory committees, and they also seem to have very limited powers. The power equation regarding Kerala temples have to change. Today it is the all powerful, politically motivated Devaswom Board who runs the show like a dictator ship, with the actual devotees "reduced" to be in advisory capacity only. There was a good scheme to start Ved paadhashalas in temples. But the Devaswom Board denied permission because of its political nature. This power equation needs to be reversed. Devaswom Board ideally has to be made into a unit which only takes care of the most minimum administrative tasks associated with a temple. They can never be the "owners" of the temple. Breaking the Devaswom Boards financially would make them sit up and think.

One quick question, are you planning to make any edits on the Help Devaswom board posters or for the time being is it final and ready for release? .

There may be a growing feeling that not enough protests were made in MH to stop the onslaught of sickular forces which interfered in the inherent freedoms given for worship in the majority community.

From what I got from media. In the other episodes of Trupti Desai drama, she (or her abettors) had done some good study before making their moves. At Haji Ali Dargah she was still not allowed to the closest point to the burial place. But she "declared" herself as a winner and went back. Now the mosque authorities just made a rule that every one - men & women- should stop at one point. In all these cases looks like there was some good support (at least 60%) of women, which may have helped her. But in Sabari Mala support from Hindu women was 0%. Now she says that she will use "guerilla tactics" to enter Sabari Mala, to which a Facebook user responded that "we would use surgical strike then". Trupti Desai has still not understood what Sabari Mala pilgrimage is all about. The Sabari Mala pilgrimage has its own "checks & balances", and if the mandated path is taken fraudsters would get trapped easily. And Trupti Desai's game is up if there is more proof to prove that she is an X'ian convert.

[Sachin]

Updates - 1430Hrs 17/11/2018

No young women detected, so situation peaceful. The only concern seems to be the police action of yesterday evening when they evicted people who camped at the temple premises. This move has received lots of flak, especially when the pilgrims have no place to decently spend the night. Photos of young Malikapurams (girls) sleeping next to garbage bins etc. are all doing their rounds in social media. The "secular" channels are now focusing on the ill-timed Harthal. Hartal hits normal life in Kerala; Pilgrims affected., BJP forced closure of food, water provisions for devotees: Kadakampally. & Chennithala slams hartal; Says Sasikala made a star overnight.. All this is from a single pro-government media outlet Mathrubhumi. We can see the stories they try to spin.

At present Sabari Mala pilgrimage is going on track, but Janam TV live has a ticker which states that Chief Minister has again asked the police to keep up the bandobust to facilitate entry of young women. My gut feeling is that from today on wards K.P may go back to allowing people to camp at the hill top over night. The crowd should be more today.

And the point to be highlighted is the pathetic facilities provided at Sabari Mala for the pilgrims. That it self would keep GoKL and Travancore Devaswom Board in a back foot mode.

[Yagnasri]

https://www.news18.com/news/india/sabar ... 41639.html

CPM people are getting attacked.

[SriKumar]

Given what the KL government has done in the past weeks, Are there Hindus in Kerala who still believe the KL communist party is not anti-Hindu.