Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 18 Nov 2018 16:07

Kerala cops arrest and manhandle BJP state General Secretary K Surendran, Thrissur District President and six others. Their Irumudi, sacred offering to Lord Ayyappa, smashed in the scuffle. Is being an office bearer of the BJP and a Ayyappa devotee crime? #SaveSabarimalaTradition https://t.co/zlYO8gZBZg

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 18 Nov 2018 16:17

In states like Kerala people respect street and muscle power. What BJP doing is right. It is just like Tripura. Unless you show people you can be as powerful as commies, those who are voting commies out of fear will not shed fear and come to BJP.

Dileep · Post by **Dileep** » 18 Nov 2018 18:30

I am not sure about the % of people voting commie because of fear. I grew up in a stronghold area of CPIM in central KL. The people there voted commie not because of fear. People vote here like this:

1. You have a local 'neta' who is 'there for you for thick and thin'. You vote for him, and the folk he asks you to.
2. You have the MLA level neta who is there for you, either directly or through the local netas. You vote for him.
3. You vote for the MP candidate as advised by the above two netas.

People switch party allegiance as per benefit, either personal, like better work prospects, or community, like water supply.

The only way BJP can get ahead is by getting involved in the local issues positively. Sabarimala may give them an opening, but to convert it into voting, you need to keep the locals happy.

And at least here, the 'hindutva' card will not play. 'Xtians and Moslems will eat you' will not work. Even 'we will save sabarimala' may not work. Getting positive results locally will work. Honestly, there are very little BJP netas who get themselves involved in local issues as I can see.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 18 Nov 2018 19:06

Dileep wrote:And at least here, the 'hindutva' card will not play. 'Xtians and Moslems will eat you' will not work. Even 'we will save sabarimala' may not work. Getting positive results locally will work. Honestly, there are very little BJP netas who get themselves involved in local issues as I can see.

Are those issues necessarily mutually exclusive in Kerala?

vinod · Post by **vinod** » 18 Nov 2018 20:18

Sabarimala issue gives only an exposure for BJP as someone who supports hindu causes. The main problem is that there are no good local BJP leaders. For that BJP should be able to attract the good people in numbers, and amongst those some can be nurtured as future leaders. This event only brings some more people into their fold. So, the results will come, but won't be immediate.
Many CPM and congress cadres are slowly looking at BJP as an option. That doesn't mean they will make the move yet. It all boils down to their own personal benefit. We will have to wait and see.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 18 Nov 2018 20:47

They can bring in the Gov. of Manipur to lead?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 18 Nov 2018 20:53

Sabarimala: Consent of the Governed vs Divine Right

Sabarimala: Consent of the Governed vs Divine Right

Agents of social change should generate consensus by understanding societies actual needs and then implementing solutions to these problems through correct non-manipulative channels.

SHREYASH, NOVEMBER 17, 2018

Police excesses at Sabarimala devotees peacefully protesting against the SC verdict

Ramesh and Suresh get into a conflict over a piece of land. Unable to resolve their conflict they mutually decide to approach Chandrakant, a wise elderly man known for his impartiality. They explain the situation to him. Chandrakant listens patiently and gives his verdict in favour of Ramesh. Suresh, though disappointed accepts the verdict and the conflict is resolved. The question here is, why is Chandrakant’s judgement acceptable to both? Is it because he is elderly or because he is wise? Actually, it is neither of this. The reason his judgement is acceptable to both is that both Ramesh and Suresh gave him consent to be the arbitrator, they reposed their faith in him.

In a democratic setup, the relationship between a government and citizens is maintained on a similar principle – Consent of the Governed. In a democracy, citizens have given their consent to public institutions (Parliament, Judiciary, Police etc.) to govern them. In order to govern, the state uses 2 methods,

Create laws and policies which the citizens consensually abide by

Use of force/ penalties where citizens don’t abide by the law

A Citizen’s faith is crucial for the government to pull off its policies. Just go back to our demonetization days. Whether demonetization succeeded or failed is another discussion but the unshakable faith which citizens had in PM Modi helped him pull off something which would otherwise have produced widespread resentment. But in cases where rogue elements do not abide by laws, the state reserves the right to use force, again a right which is given by its citizens. Basically, the state has to balance between these 2 stated methods, it cannot expect 100% compliance and hence it has to use force but then neither can it only resort to force all the time against the wishes of the people.

When there is an imbalance in A and B, society is pushed into turmoil. If the state is not able to use force where required, the crime rate will increase and if society’s faith in its institutions goes down, it will increase disobedience and create excessive strain on law enforcement. Hence the balance is important. Let us take 2 recent examples – firecracker ban and Sabarimala. In both these cases, there has been widespread disobedience and if the state wants to implement these policies against the will of people, a disproportionate amount of force will have to be used. The Kerala government is doing just that, it is using force to coerce this judgement on people. This will create further mistrust between government and the governed and is a very slippery slope to walk on.

But what is it that is giving ordinary citizens a motivation to disobey at such a mass scale? Let us go back to the initial example. When Ramesh and Suresh approached Chandrakant to be the arbitrator, it is because he has earned that right based on his past conduct. Also, there were 2 implied conditions,

Impartiality
Arbitration is limited to this particular case

Same is the relationship between state and citizens. Citizens give consent to the state to govern a part of their lives, leaving the remaining part to their discretion and secondly the state is supposed to be impartial. In the above 2 judgements, both these unstated tenants have been broken. Ordinary citizens believe that the state is overstepping its mandate and entering places where it should not be interfering in. Also, people no longer believe that the laws and policies are impartial and this is the basis of current disobedience. Both these are not good signs and can have major undesirable effects on our future.

Let me again refer to the Wikipedia article linked above, “This theory of consent is historically contrasted to the divine right of kings and had often been invoked against the legitimacy of colonialism. Article 21 of the United Nation’s 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights states that “The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government”.”

It is very important to understand the subtle yet very important difference between the 2 philosophies – ‘Consent’and ‘Divine Right’. In a democratic setup, the will of people should be the basis of government and not some misplaced notion of divine right where the courts and parliaments can impose their sense of righteousness on the people. No matter how lucrative it is, the law has to resist the temptation of moral policing. This works in a colonial setup but not in a democracy. However, recent judgements seem to have been delivered on the assumption of ‘Divine right’- where law insists on guiding people in a direction which it deems fit. This short-cut approach to social change also suits the NGO’s and third parties who don’t want to take the burden of society’s aspirations but love to impose their moral code on society.

There is one more concept in political philosophy – ‘The right to revolution; of the people of a nation to overthrow a government that acts against their common interests and/or threatens the safety of the people without cause’. Leftists always try to invoke this right to revolution by introducing victimization in society, dividing society and pitting groups against each other. But what we are seeing in Kerala today is a more spontaneous revolution and it is indeed ironical that a leftist government is at the receiving end.

But does that mean that society can only be populist in a democracy? Not at all, social change is required at many levels. But this social change should be brought about by the will of the governed. Agents of social change should generate consensus by understanding societies actual needs and then implementing solutions to these problems through correct non-manipulative channels. But as long as custodians of public institutions refuse to get down from their self-imagined pedestals of moral superiority, the balance between consensus and force will always be tilted.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 18 Nov 2018 21:03

Ppl: What has not been brought out in this dhaga:
1. Record of the 4 SC Hizzoners who sided with the govt.
2. The record of how this case came b4 the SC.
3. The scam re: Aranmula airport and EJ interests
4. The "Disney-Pandalam PVijayan Resort" that UBCN hinted at, seems to far closer to reality than most ppl realize.
5. Grand plan to take over the 18 hills.
6. The KL government's blatant anti-Hindu bias such as using government funds (meaning people's money) to fund such things as "assistance to Xtians recently converted from Hinduism".

It's time for the war to expand. If BeeJayPee is willing to do that, I hope ppl here at least don't attack them for that. "Bhakta Purity Of Belief" is fine and brings tears to the eyes, but at the end of the day, the war is won by willingness to go behind enemy lines and bite them in the musharraf.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 18 Nov 2018 21:10

UlanBatori wrote:Ppl: What has not been brought out in this dhaga:
1. Record of the 4 SC Hizzoners who sided with the govt.
2. The record of how this case came b4 the SC.
3. The scam re: Aranmula airport and EJ interests
4. The "Disney-Pandalam PVijayan Resort" that UBCN hinted at, seems to far closer to reality than most ppl realize.
5. Grand plan to take over the 18 hills.
6. The KL government's blatant anti-Hindu bias such as using government funds (meaning people's money) to fund such things as "assistance to Xtians recently converted from Hinduism".

It's time for the war to expand. If BeeJayPee is willing to do that, I hope ppl here at least don't attack them for that. "Bhakta Purity Of Belief" is fine and brings tears to the eyes, but at the end of the day, the war is won by willingness to go behind enemy lines and bite them in the musharraf.

+2018, but unfortunately I don't quite see mass Indic collective resurgence. Still we fighting in silos. Need more such wake up calls everywhere.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 18 Nov 2018 21:22

Sabari Mala updates 18/11/2018 2115Hrs.
Pilgrimage going on as usual. No dramas as of today. And to be frank the pathetic sanitary facilities at Pampa river point and further up, would make any chi chi feminazi to go back and try their luck the next time around. The commies may even later say that this was all part of their grand plan to protect the Hindu faith

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No more unnecessary restrictions in Sabarimala: TDB PreZ. Now this is not due to bhakthi or any pro-Hindu stance. Travancore Devaswom Board is losing its revenue day by day

. There are two prasadams which pilgrims take back, it is Appam & the Aravana payasam (pudding) which is actually "sold" by the TDB. These items are produced in bulk by catering contractors. And the latest concern is that what is being supplied now is actually old stock.

Looks like the TDB and K.P are now falling back to the old system at the shrine. Pilgrims who have made advance booking of the guest/dormitories at the hill top can avail that. Police will NOT kick them out. Pilgrims - especially old people, or those who have young children - would be allowed to camp at the temple premises during the night, based on police discretion. But police would NOT allow any "protestors" to camp at the hill top; which I read as "any Keralite young & able bodied pilgrim, especially those who are part of a group". Other wise there is no meter/device which can detect a "protestor pilgrim". TDB & K.P say that pilgrims who want to do the Ghee abishekam should report at Nilakkal base camp at 0000Hrs and they would be sent up the path to reach the hill top by 0315Hrs just in time for the ritual to start. The success chances of this plan seems to be minimum. Pilgrims have been used to a routine, a routine which assured that what ever they had to perform could be done.

Terror-like situation in Sabarimala, says Congress. INC leaders are all anguished, but none of their leaders have actually been on the scene and got arrested

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95 pc people oppose BJP protest over Sabarimala, says Kodiyeri {Balakrishnan}, Sec of CPI(M) in KL. He still seems to be in a different world, you can't blame him. The entire party has been making mistakes after mistakes on handling Sabari Mala pilgrimage.

Dileep wrote:I am not sure about the % of people voting commie because of fear. I grew up in a stronghold area of CPIM in central KL. The people there voted commie not because of fear. People vote here like this:

vinod wrote:Sabarimala issue gives only an exposure for BJP as someone who supports hindu causes. The main problem is that there are no good local BJP leaders.

+1. BJP (and all its associated groups including Janam TV) are only gaining acceptance because; in the case of Sabari Mala they were openly pro-Hindu and took a pro-Pilgrim stance. The INC is also doing the same, but in a lower key. The moment things get normalised at Sabari Mala, BJP & Co may find themselves back to their old ranking (i.e at the lowest position). The BJP in Kerala does not have a very strong "leadership" across the state. Yes, they have made good progress and even managed to reach a level where they could govern a Municipal town, and Village panchayaths etc. But if any one hopes to see a state government formed by BJP, or many MPs of Kerala coming from BJP; they may have to wait longer. The commies and the Congress are well-entrenched in the state, and Sabari Mala issue apart; people would still rely on them to get things done. What are the chances of CPI(M) ruling a state like Maharashtra, where it is the BJP and Shiv Sena who are in a well-entrenched position? Same is the case with BJP in KL.

UlanBatori wrote:It's time for the war to expand. If BeeJayPee is willing to do that, I hope ppl here at least don't attack them for that.

The problem is that for the Aam-Aadmi in KL, if he gets his daily wages, if he can visit his local temple & if he has money to get his regular quota of liquor; he is the most contended man. The EJ strategy etc. are way beyond his comprehension. To sensitise Kerala Hindus about the long term dangers of, what may be required is a door to door campaign. Because all the major "secular" political parties, the main stream media etc. are all strongly only the side of BIF.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 18 Nov 2018 21:29

This is Famous Valiya Nada Pandal( big hall) before Sannidhanam Sabarimala where Devotees takes rest, mainly in Night was made wet with watering to make surele devotees leave from Sannidhanam with out taking rest. Think of Old aged , kids , handicapped etc https://t.co/6DcyfFJJIh

This is unacceptable by any standards।

Is Kerala living under democratic institutions or some gulf enabled shariah system to destroy Hindus.

Only mallostanic voters can answer. No point complaining this after giving your basic freedom and to be shamefully raped. Need of the hour is evidences, leading to prez rule.

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#SaveSabarimalaTradition Look at how the Police is dealing with devotees who came to pray in Vandithavalam Sri Ayyappaswami Temple
This is what the #GoonsInKhaki are trying. Not going to work Commies. Will never work https://t.co/qFzhBQgodE

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 18 Nov 2018 21:46

SaiK wrote:Is Kerala living under democratic institutions or some gulf enabled shariah system to destroy Hindus.

This was done in the afternoon hours, with perhaps the intention being to control the dust etc.

. But let these pictures do their run on social media. Infrastructure wise, Sabari Mala is pretty much in a pathetic condition. Kerala Government who did not even bother to assure minimum facilities to the pilgrims, was every ready to break the religious customs followed at the temple. This stand of GoKL needs to be exposed. The efforts which they took to bring in all shady character women to the hill top; not even half of that was put to help the genuine pilgrim

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Mean while Rehana Fatima the Muslim activist who tried her stunts last time is now incommunicado. High Court had rejected her anticipatory bail plea, and if the police really wants she can be arrested. This is another issue which BJP can clearly highlight. BJP leaders making darshan to Sabari Mala, are detained; but woman activist who has been found violating rules are allowed to roam around freely. Police is not interested in arresting them and sending them on judicial remand.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 18 Nov 2018 22:15

Hyooman rites intervenes

https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... n-5452494/

Observing that there was a gross violation of human rights of Sabarimala devotees, the Kerala Human Rights Commisison (KHRC) Sunday directed the TDB, DGP and Local Self Government Department to ensure that basic facilities were provided to pilgrims at the temple complex.
Acting on a complaint, the commission said there was a gross human rights violations at Sabarimala Sannidhanam, Nilackal and Pamba.
Taking a strong view of the lack of facilities for devotees at the shrine, visited by lakhs of devotees from all over the country and abroad, the commission directed the Travancore Devawom Board (TDB) Commissioner, Secretary LSGD and DGP to intervene in the matter urgently.
The officials have been asked to file a report within two weeks, Commission member P Mohandas said. The Ayyappa devotees visiting the shrine have been denied all basic amenities, the commission said.
“The toilet facilities are so poor that human faeces is now flowing in Pamba river making it more filthy, causing severe health hazard to the devotees and others,” the commission said. There is no water in toilets, forcing them to make Pamba river filthy.
Referring to media reports, the commission said police officials on duty at the shrine have also been denied basic facilities. The officials of local panchayat at Chengannur, Nilackal and Travancore Devaswom Board (TDB) are turning a “blind eye” to these “naked violations” of human rights, it added.
The famous hill temple had opened Friday evening for the two-month-long annual pilgrimage season as a stand-off continued over entry of menstrual age women into the shrine.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 18 Nov 2018 22:20

If this video doesn't call for change then the whole of KL stands to lose to communist and kangrez model of abusing Hindus.

No water.. No food.. No toilets... Devotees r breaching police baricades and running. But they r chased down and sent back... This is the way Aurangzeb treats Hindus in Kerala. Swamy Saranam. #Sabarimala @Kuvalayamala @ReclaimTemples @surnell https://t.co/Vcd0O0A1FD

ravikr · Post by **ravikr** » 18 Nov 2018 22:56

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mappunni · Post by **mappunni** » 18 Nov 2018 23:54

Watching Janam TV live, Kerala Police are behaving like Commie Kastard Pinarayi Vijayan's pet dog by arresting hundreds of devotees when they started to chant Sarana Gosham. This includes children. The police are now trying to remove the hundreds of devotees including children from Sannidhanam to Pampa.

https://youtu.be/TLx-4ReAmIA

mappunni · Post by **mappunni** » 19 Nov 2018 00:03

Now cops are forcefully removing the devotees chanting Sarana Ghosham. The devotees are asking how we can perform Ghee Abhishekam. Cops are in no mood to listen and dragging people including old women and Children.

Its high time HMO intervenes.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 19 Nov 2018 00:11

Getting warmer.

Hundreds of Lord Ayyappa devotees reportedly protested inside the Sabarimala temple on Sunday evening against the police decision to evacuate devotes from the temple and to not allow them to stay overnight for pooja and offerings. Reports suggested that the devotees, while chanting Ayyapa hymns, staged protests at the temple hall next to the 18 sacred steps, demanding that the stringent restrictions and security should be removed.

The protests are said to have started at around 10:30 pm on Sunday. Amid the commotion, there was a heated argument between the superintendent of police Yatish Chandra and the devotees, which resulted in a minor scuffle, Hindustan Times reported. Police attempted to arrest four of the organisers, which was opposed by the protesters who asserted that they could not be arrested for chanting " Swami Saranam." Sensing that the matter could trigger a stampede-like situation, the police let go of the organisers, Hindustan Times reported.

And later>..

Sabarimala: Fresh protest broke out at Sabarimala temple on the second day of the two month-long pilgrimage season as hundreds of devotees gathered at Nadapanthal area and agitated against the restrictions imposed by police.
Due to early incidents of violence at the hill-top shrine, {including several devotees pointing out that SupPolis Yatish Chandra had his fly open and the seat of his pants were split - UBCNeuj Flash} police have had imposed strict restrictions on devotees at Sannidhanam, including not allowing them to stay back in the night.

The devotees, who were asked to leave Sannidhanam gathered at Nadapanthal, a covered pathway to the hill-top shrine, formed a group and started reciting prayers.

Police was trying to pacify the protesters.
... In Vatakara, a KSRTC bus was stoned, police said.

mappunni · Post by **mappunni** » 19 Nov 2018 00:24

UlanBatori wrote:Getting warmer.

Hundreds of Lord Ayyappa devotees reportedly protested inside the Sabarimala temple on Sunday evening against the police decision to evacuate devotes from the temple and to not allow them to stay overnight for pooja and offerings. Reports suggested that the devotees, while chanting Ayyapa hymns, staged protests at the temple hall next to the 18 sacred steps, demanding that the stringent restrictions and security should be removed.

The protests are said to have started at around 10:30 pm on Sunday. Amid the commotion, there was a heated argument between the superintendent of police Yatish Chandra and the devotees, which resulted in a minor scuffle, Hindustan Times reported. Police attempted to arrest four of the organisers, which was opposed by the protesters who asserted that they could not be arrested for chanting " Swami Saranam." Sensing that the matter could trigger a stampede-like situation, the police let go of the organisers, Hindustan Times reported.

Yatish Chandra could not answer the media and tried to duck. The cops surrounding him tried to intimidate the journalists and when the journalists protested, he answered stating that 144 has been promulgated. And then devotees cannot gather. They also dragged and kicked the devotees who started Sarana Ghosham. One devotee who has been kicked by the Kerala police with boots has been admitted with serious injuries to his abdomen

Can the commie scum Paranai Choriyan try this at a Church or Mosque gathering?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 19 Nov 2018 00:26

They also dragged and kicked the devotees who started Sarana Ghosham. One devotee who has been kicked by the Kerala police with boots has been admitted with serious injuries to his abdomen

Need to keep publicizing this. Hope someone got video.

mappunni · Post by **mappunni** » 19 Nov 2018 00:30

UlanBatori wrote:
They also dragged and kicked the devotees who started Sarana Ghosham. One devotee who has been kicked by the Kerala police with boots has been admitted with serious injuries to his abdomen
Need to keep publicizing this. Hope someone got video.

Entire video is being repeated over and over again in Janam TV on youtube as well as their app for android. I am watching it live in the YouYess.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 19 Nov 2018 00:50

Wow! This Janam TV is certainly being extremely cautious not to raise any emotions...

I wonder how close KP is to a myootinee.. The accusation of going into this temple and arresting Swamis doing prayer is not a light one.
(Moment of sanity: the polis I saw, who must be aware that media TV and lights were focused on them, were being insistent but not any more forceful than needed.) OK< I saw one person being manhandled.
But by tomorrow with the continuous amplification from media, that is not how polis will be pictured all over Kerala. Reports of bhaktas and their Irumudikettu being thrown, dragged, causing injury. Right now bhaktas are being taken to secret locations. 15 taken in one van to Pampa polis station or other locations.
S.P. Pratish Kumar getting publicity...

mappunni · Post by **mappunni** » 19 Nov 2018 01:06

UlanBatori wrote:Wow! This Janam TV is certainly being extremely cautious not to raise any emotions...

Yes Janam TV is warming up the folks in Kerala to truth

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 19 Nov 2018 01:18

I cannot figure out the guvrmand position. So is Sabarimala OPEN for worship or not? Are the polis there to "prevent untoward incidents" and "provide protection for those wishing to worship regardless of gender and age (and political preferences)" or are they out to hunt down One Party supporters?
Right now the polis are being made to look like idiots. The claim is that worshippers have been arrested for praying.
THAT would seem to be a gross violation of fundamental rights.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 19 Nov 2018 01:22

Polis stations being picketed at TVM, Neyyatinkara, Mannar.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 19 Nov 2018 01:38

The guvrmand has made the first big misstep: they had to send clueless aphsars to the top. Trying to impose Cr144 on Swamis and asking them to be quiet is a baad idea. They absolutely walked into that.

Bhaktas here are too young to remember St. Albert's College, circa 1970 or so. During some such escalation (school closings, bus stoning, lathi-charge..) polis were stoned from the roof of the college. One polisman suffered eye injury.
Armed polis charged into the college. The only ppl they found were the students writing university exams on the 3rd floor. Absolutely went berserk. Beat them to a pulp, numerous serious injuries.

So this escalation ladder is ominous. JanamTV is reporting a Lathi Charge, but no details seen. Point is that pretty soon, the original issue will be forgotten.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 19 Nov 2018 01:47

Marxist attack at Panur Kannur. Injured BJP activist rushed to Kozhikode Medical College in critical condition. He may not make it.

Marxists want to divert attention from #Sabarimala https://t.co/C5kxFFiNQx

Caution: gruesome pics

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 19 Nov 2018 01:49

BeeJayPee neta made interesting point: That only 67 temples in (south) KL are self-sustaining: the rest are dependent on Sabarimala revenue. So shutting down SM would force TDB to close 1200 temples south of EKM, opening the field for EJs/ Moos. See 80G above. Wider war is becoming evident.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 19 Nov 2018 01:58

Lathicharge is apparently at Thodupuzha during prayer march to polis station. BTW, hu eej "Hindu Aikya Munnani"? The words HA seem like oxymoron: can this happen?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 19 Nov 2018 02:04

Panthalam Palace has protested and called the actions inexcusable and deserving of "befitting reply".

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 19 Nov 2018 02:26

I have to point out something.
The polis standing on either side of The Steps are wearing their khaki (not black) but they are ***NOT** wearing boots or socks. Most are not wearing caps either.
This reinforces my belief that the KP is playing with mutiny risk. It must be very very close now. The wise instructions were wise, but then things went very wrong at the Sannidhanam when they decided to take themselves too seriously with the 144 stuff.

sivab · Post by **sivab** » 19 Nov 2018 02:50

He was the rogue officer who beat up devotees in sannidhanam. Pratheesh kumar, IPS, from UP. He seems to have some other motive.

mappunni · Post by **mappunni** » 19 Nov 2018 03:38

The filth and gross lack of sanitation is a violation of Human rights. The Communist Kerala government has been using Sabarimala temple as a cash cow to fund other activities.

Hope Kastards like Pratheesh Kumar will be taught a lesson.

Dileep · Post by **Dileep** » 19 Nov 2018 06:49

UlanBatori wrote:I have to point out something.
The polis standing on either side of The Steps are wearing their khaki (not black) but they are ***NOT** wearing boots or socks. Most are not wearing caps either.
This reinforces my belief that the KP is playing with mutiny risk. It must be very very close now. The wise instructions were wise, but then things went very wrong at the Sannidhanam when they decided to take themselves too seriously with the 144 stuff.

Sir, that had been the custom for ALL police at sannidhanam. Just khaki trouser/shirt and shoulder and name tags. No boots, belt and cap. KP don't wear shields. This time, this relaxation is only for those placed at the pedestal. The rest required to be at full uniform. There is no mutiny/shutiny there. BUT.. a number of officers are strong believers, and many request for the duty as part of their devotion. I am pretty sure they are very much disturbed.

Dileep · Post by **Dileep** » 19 Nov 2018 06:50

BJP is supposed to file a writ today against the human rights and fundamental rights violation today. Let us see how it goes.

arvin · Post by **arvin** » 19 Nov 2018 07:33

https://www.ndtv.com/kerala-news/it-min ... es-1949369

KJ Alphons, union minister. to visit sabarimala today to check pilgrim facilities.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 19 Nov 2018 07:37

Were the hyooman rites any better pre-flood I wonder.... i mean, honestly.

mappunni · Post by **mappunni** » 19 Nov 2018 07:38

arvin wrote:https://www.ndtv.com/kerala-news/it-min ... es-1949369

KJ Alphons, union minister. to visit sabarimala today to check pilgrim facilities.

Need Amit Shah and other MPs to visit by taking turns and naming and shaming the Commie government run by Kastard PinaNari Choriyan. A big group of National media should be included so that the news spreads through out the country.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 19 Nov 2018 07:40

Dileep: how do u know the polis are **not*** close to myootinee? Wonder if it is possible to generate copies of some of the literature in Hindi and covertly distribute to the polis? Yeah, it did look like the polis shown during the arrest tamasha are not from Malloostan. (the ones standing on the steps looked like Malloos, some even have beards).
Tell them that stepping up there with boots is 400% haraam. And that their big boss is a crypto in the pay of the commies and EJs.

Malappuram SP Prateesh Kumar

Sorry. Not EJs. Worse.

Dileep · Post by **Dileep** » 19 Nov 2018 07:45

Sir, I meant that the lack of full uniform is NOT a sign of mutiny. That is normal.

Probably, the cops were specifically selected from EJs and RJs (RealJehadi) who would be glad if given an opportunity to unseat the idol itself.