Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby Dileep » 03 Dec 2018 09:12

On the 'crook' scale, commies in general score less than others, honestly.

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Postby Kashi » 03 Dec 2018 09:35

Depends on who defines the "scale" really.

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Postby Yagnasri » 03 Dec 2018 09:54

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... STrSO.html

What we can say. Communists are after all communists.

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Postby Sachin » 03 Dec 2018 12:33

On the Sabari Mala case, looks like things are fast going back to normalcy. The score card stands at Ayyappa Bhakths- 30 v/s Commies=EJs=Intellectuals=K.P - 0. At Sabari Mala now every pilgrim out there is becoming a "protestor" when they find that there is a plan to tarnish the belief system at the temple. And looks like pilgrims from all states now also understand that unique belief system at the temple, and the attempts of various "secular" agencies to destory it. Sangh Parivar especially RSS seems to have got good results on their meticulous planning; but don't think so KL BJP would be able to now take the baton and make a good run. There could be some shady attempts (like what happened last week), but I don't expect a mad rush happening or very visible attempts from GoKL or K.P.

GoKL and TDB who assumed that Sabari Mala would be the "cash cow", which they could abuse and also make money continue to be in a cry-a-baby mode. Sabarimala revenue falls by Rs 31 crore.. Which gave them the idea of another cheap trick; TDB mulls celebrity ads to woo pilgrims to Sabarimala :rotfl:.

Centre denied Kerala flood relief aid from nations: CM. And now we are back to the "bash GoI" mode since they are not giving a blank cheque in the name of "rebuilding Kerala". And all attempts to do "begging challenge" across the globe was also scuttled. This constant crying actually confirms some of my thoughts; Kerala was actually sitting on top of a "financial bubble" which got burst multiple times. First was De.Mo and second was these natural calamities. The state I feel was overly relying on "unaccounted wealth" and large bags of cash (from the Gelf) to run the show. Now slowly the truth about Kerala economy is coming out.

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arvin wrote:People will turn to commies for solving day to day issues while BJP/RSS will be approached only if major episode like this happens.

Dileep wrote:Local body elections are strictly on local issues and the personal charm of the person. My 'ward' here at densely populated urban region have just 1100 voters. The issues determining the winner would be drainage, street light etc apart from petty local politics.

UlanBatori wrote:f the commies are such crooks who do local people elect them? Sounds like they field better local candidates?

The election results cannot be a bench-mark or verification scheme for how the commies handled Sabari Mala. As many people correctly said here, the commies have better organisation and better leadership in Kerala. The BJP comes no where close. To be quite frank; if in the Sabari Mala issue the commies had actually stood along side the common Hindus in Kerala, they would have actually scored many more points. But they made the first mistake of not judging the religious mindedness of the common Hindu and tried to bulldoze them. And from then one they were making mistakes after mistakes. The common Hindus then had to fall back to the RSS (and may be BJP) because they realised that in Sabari Mala case they cannot hope for the commies to support them. And RSS actually lived upto their expectation, with perhaps BJP playing a second-fiddle and hoping to score some political mileage.

The commies have now realised their mistake. Their bravado is gone. So they have now slowly backtracked from their plans to implement the verdict. The eunuchs of Travancore Devaswom Board has now filed a kind of "review petition" at Supreme Court. The commies have realised that they have lost good support of many of their own cadre. So now they have come out with some other "renaissance schemes" which are just political stunts. They plan to show they are "women friendly" through some gimmicks. And these gimmicks being not connected with a temple or religion the common Kerala Hindu may just ignore that and move on.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby Dileep » 03 Dec 2018 17:13

Kashi wrote:Depends on who defines the "scale" really.

And the parameters and their weight that define 'crook' itself.

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Postby UlanBatori » 03 Dec 2018 18:23

The local elections are a serious indicator. They tell me that voters who come out to vote are heavily from the "wronged" Laboring Classes, who vote for the Liberators Of The People. They don't vote for those who work hard (and don't vote) to generate wealth and compete with others etc etc. The Agitators IOW are winning the vote. This is a very bad indicator. KL cannot progress until that changes. The usual explanation is that the Other Side are "Corrupt". Well... in a system where people say "huh?" if you ask them about income tax, speed limits, road rules, queue etiquette, examinations of restaurants, brakes on buses and pretty-much everything else, how can one even TELL who is "corrupt" or not? Those who have access to ways of generating personal wealth, and have impunity, steal. Everything else is newspaper/TV hype. This does not bode well for the next election. Or the one after that if there are still elections in what may have become Al Querala. Note that many Gelf returnees speak fondly of the honest, sincere Gelf Rulers as contrasted with the native variety in their motherland.

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Postby krisna » 03 Dec 2018 19:10

Dileep wrote:Correction Ramana. the election was on 29th November.

Local body elections are strictly on local issues and the personal charm of the person. My 'ward' here at densely populated urban region have just 1100 voters. The issues determining the winner would be drainage, street light etc apart from petty local politics.


This is a serious mistake which Kerala devotees are making.
If they have to be taken seriously they have to make sure the commie candidates feel the pinch. Their votes cannot be taken for granted if their beliefs are trampled but the commies will work for drainage street lights etc.
This is a simply unworkable problem. commies will go back to bashing Hindus as they know that as long as they do these simple community works the devotees will vote for them.

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OTOH commies are not entirely honest. Similar stuff happened in WB and Tripura when things became clearer after they lost elections.

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Postby hnair » 03 Dec 2018 20:37

These local body polls had zero campaigning by anti-commie sides! Atleast that is what one hears.... kommies won by default! The bye-poll for Manjeswaram will be the significant one and K Surendran of the BJP is being brutally persecuted by State Govt, of which not even a single national media has paid attention! I really wonder what is the point of having CBI under your kitty, if it means letting go of the psycho Jayarajan or the Lavillin case etc, but zero leverage over K Surendran's fate !!

The communists are revving up a major castiest campaign, while accusing BJP (and Congress to some extent) of communalising the issue. Their "urban naxal" types have been whipping up social media memes of "Dont forget XYZ caste struggle". The very brazenly open idea is to cause a neat divide between upper and other castes. And it is kind of working, as I see lots of previously sympathetic to ayyappa folks are re-posting such memes.

It is a different matter that 100% of Kerala's past social revolutions happened before commies came along:
- Sree Narayana Guru's path breaking movement. No Kammies
- Ayyankali's struggles was supported across caste barriers. No Kammies
- Vaikkom Sathyagraham was Congress' veteran leaders and Gandhi. Well supported by Sree Narayana Guru. No Kammies
- Temple Entry Proclamation was that old commie-scything Sir CP Iyer. Again, no Kammies

But it needs a consistent IT cell to bring these points out and also bluntly pull down the red-chaddi by screaming "castiesm, the worst form of polarisation by kammies" etc

BJP state leadership is as usual, like an adorable kitten opening its eyes only on the third day after birth..... Cant open before that, too vulnerable!

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Postby ramana » 03 Dec 2018 23:57

I guess Kerala folks like commies who take away their temples.
OK.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby Karan M » 04 Dec 2018 04:04

hnair wrote:These local body polls had zero campaigning by anti-commie sides! Atleast that is what one hears.... kommies won by default! The bye-poll for Manjeswaram will be the significant one and K Surendran of the BJP is being brutally persecuted by State Govt, of which not even a single national media has paid attention! I really wonder what is the point of having CBI under your kitty, if it means letting go of the psycho Jayarajan or the Lavillin case etc, but zero leverage over K Surendran's fate !!

The communists are revving up a major castiest campaign, while accusing BJP (and Congress to some extent) of communalising the issue. Their "urban naxal" types have been whipping up social media memes of "Dont forget XYZ caste struggle". The very brazenly open idea is to cause a neat divide between upper and other castes. And it is kind of working, as I see lots of previously sympathetic to ayyappa folks are re-posting such memes.

It is a different matter that 100% of Kerala's past social revolutions happened before commies came along:
- Sree Narayana Guru's path breaking movement. No Kammies
- Ayyankali's struggles was supported across caste barriers. No Kammies
- Vaikkom Sathyagraham was Congress' veteran leaders and Gandhi. Well supported by Sree Narayana Guru. No Kammies
- Temple Entry Proclamation was that old commie-scything Sir CP Iyer. Again, no Kammies

But it needs a consistent IT cell to bring these points out and also bluntly pull down the red-chaddi by screaming "castiesm, the worst form of polarisation by kammies" etc

BJP state leadership is as usual, like an adorable kitten opening its eyes only on the third day after birth..... Cant open before that, too vulnerable!


My only explanation for the BJPs cowardice all throughout the past 4 years, nation-wide, is that they are afraid the desi junta are fickle and will vote them out, and any strict action for dharma, will result in them facing persecution. Hence they are playing it safe. IMHO, that won't save them. The other side are ruthless and will target them anyhow. For the sake of a few bigwigs in BJP who want to play it safe, the party has literally ignored all its own claims/core voters etc. Read this in line with Modi/PMOs crackdown on Iranis attempt to stop fake news peddlers, to Javdekar making squeaky noises about how no text book has been saffronized etc.
Yogi in UP seems to be an exception but he has to deliver on development and we'll see if he retains his moral fibre or becomes another complete vikas purush to appear to the tender mercies of our oh-so-secular crowd.
Perhaps a win in 2019, will inject some iron into the BJPs bloodstream but I am not counting on it.

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Postby ramana » 04 Dec 2018 06:16

Folks just in case we forget this thread is about Kerala.

Anyway how is the flood damage and relief going on?
Are peoples lives already back to normal?
What happened to the inquiry on the dam flood gates opening with out warning?
#Sabarimala is a local issue.

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Postby Javee » 04 Dec 2018 08:08

Funny you asked about flood rehabilitation, the closet commie Kamalhassan asked comrade for help for Cyclone Gaja in TN and the supreme leader sanctioned 10 crores in aid. Now reading back what Sachin has posted, I think comrade is scrapping the barrel here. :rotfl:

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Postby Sachin » 04 Dec 2018 20:54

On Sabari Mala...
Rehana Fathima's bail plea rejected.
TDB unable to arrange facilities for women at present.

Social media also have news about stale prasadam items being dumped on gullible pilgrims. They are not edible, and some of them are from old stocks all of them being given new labels. Another news on social media is that K.P has asked the Travancore Devaswom Board for a big supply of prasadam items to their men posted there, with TDB most likely using this golden opportunity to dump stale old stock on the K.P men :lol: ;).


ramana wrote:Anyway how is the flood damage and relief going on?
Are peoples lives already back to normal?

The latest cheap salvo fired by GoKL is IAF & IN asked the state to pay for the rescue missions during the floos. IN has categorically said that they have not made any such demands, and said for them all those missions were a training excercise. A Vice Admiral had to actually come on news and say this :evil:. Then the story changed that it was IAF who asked for payments, all the while there is a report showing that IAF actually donated 20 crores to the flood relief. I did not find any news about IAF denying or accepting that they had asked the state to pay up.

What I could understand is that the state was expecting a lot of stuff for free, and also a "blank cheque" from GoI. Or they had to be allowed go on begging trips across the world. And there also seems to be a clear plan to make the average Keralite dislike the defence forces of India. Even when floods happened there was a campaign to paint a picture that ONLY KL fishermen actually did any relief work and not enough was provided by GoI. The more I see such kind of moves, the more I feel that BIF is active in Kerala and the present CM and his North Kerala based close pals are just shikandis being propped up to put a show in front of gullible people. I don't think the CM is actually taking major policy decisions by using his own brains.

People who led a normal life before the floods have all gone back to their normal life. Yes, some of the poorer sections of society did take a hit and with or without government help they also have moved along. But looks like there is also a big section of Kerala society who were "poor on papers" but had unaccounted property and wealth. There could also be small time business men who most likely dealt with cash, and not kept proper inventories etc. who would be now sitting on unsaleable inventory. These people may have thought that GoKL will just give them what ever money they ask for (GoKL doing the same with GoI) and help them get back to their old life style at 100% levels. Such people will find it tough to recoup their wealth & property, as GoI is now scrutinising the disbursement of relief funds etc.

The floods have also hit the local business deals in Kerala as people may not be willing to splurge and using funds to recoup their lives. GoKL also is losing out on state tax revenues because of this.

What happened to the inquiry on the dam flood gates opening with out warning?

Nothing. I don't think even an enquiry commission was formed. Inquiry on Dam opening, three cases of nepotism by ministers have all been now wiped under the carpet thanks to one issue - Sabari Mala entry.

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Postby jpremnath » 04 Dec 2018 22:51

The IAF news seems to be true...

http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/2018/nov/30/centre-charges-state-rs-291-cr-for-airlifting-ration-goods-1905153.html

..The Indian Air Force has asked the state government to pay Rs 290.74 crore as aircraft charge for holding rescue operations during mid-August flood and for supplying ration materials...

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Postby ramana » 05 Dec 2018 02:30

jayvee I do have my hand on the pulse of events.

Sachin, Vinasha Kaale vipriti buddhi!!!
Peewee will see the wrath of Ayyappa.

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Postby Dileep » 05 Dec 2018 06:31

Ramana, not just PV, but everyone who stood against his devotees will see.

All social media activitists got something or other. The most vocal proponents of 'women entry' all got into trouble and lost their value. Politicians are next.

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Postby Karan M » 05 Dec 2018 07:00

As long as people keep voting for commies. BIF efforts will continue. That too is a fact.

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Postby hnair » 05 Dec 2018 08:00

Dileep wrote:All social media activitists got something or other. The most vocal proponents of 'women entry' all got into trouble and lost their value. Politicians are next.


It is indeed a miracle: that Thrissur college-teacher's fall from grace was overnight. Surprised me no end that her few lac fans deserted her overnight! But then her theft of that poem is bringing out more such thefts by lefties in the past! Now that the social media smells blood, the hounds are being unleashed on all.

Karan M, as in other parts of India, caste plays a certain role (even among minorities, they have their own caste systems) in voting patterns. Commies used to do a combination of caste politics + aggregate votes from dissidents/dissatisfied of all communities. The current CM has decided to go full castiest. Even that barely-alive VS Achuthanandan has objected to this play, in a speech yesterday and said aggregate votes from dissidents are going to be a casualty!

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Postby UlanBatori » 05 Dec 2018 18:46

Thrissur college-teacher's fall from grace was overnight.

Missed that. Was RehanaBiBi a college teacher there ??? :eek: Are admissions closed 4 this year?

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Postby ramana » 05 Dec 2018 23:58

HN and Dileep, What teacher?

KaranM Kerala is going thru churn. Thats all I can say for now.
This is not Commie stuff but one sided power play.

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Postby jpremnath » 06 Dec 2018 03:08

^^ The teacher, Deepa Nishanth is one of the many pro-left 'pseudo intellectuals' who are very active on social media...makes grand statements on anything under the sun with heavy vocabulary as long as it is not against the left..One common feature amongst this bunch is that they consider themselves to be blessed with literary fervour...even though most often their text is more style than substance...

The celebrated fall from grace was when this teacher sent a poem to an association magazine for publishing (unsolicited ofcourse...) and once published, a young poet Kalesh claimed that this poem was a blatant rip off of his own creation. The teacher immediately came on SM trashing the poet, readily supported by her legion of fans...Well surprise surprise, the original poem turned out to be a published one, that too some 7 years back in a blog, for everyone to see... Panicked at the turn of events, the teacher blurts out that her version of the poem was sent to her by a male 'friend' to publish under her name..She leaks a screen shot of his whatsapp chat where he claims that the poem was infact his and it was Kalesh who stole it..This friend Srichitran is another psuedo intellectual who goes around making speeches in colleges against the BJP and Sangh..She hoped that by ratting out of her friend, she could escape the SM lynching ...but even if she was in the dark about the true origins of the poem, there is no justification for publishing a poem under your name when its real author is someone else..So now both the pseudos are finding their names dragged through mud...

Kerala takes its literature seriously...what these two did will never be forgotten by the public and no amount of penance and accomplishments will ever let them get any respect..period!

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Postby UlanBatori » 06 Dec 2018 03:23

OK, which college? :mrgreen:

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Postby ramana » 06 Dec 2018 05:02

So SM trolling is equivalent to #DigitalGoondas

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Postby Dileep » 06 Dec 2018 07:30

This brofessor is a good looking (film star esq) lady, with a lot of fan following. She is at Kerala Varma College Thrissur. She shot into fame when a 'beef fest' ws conducted at the college. She became the apple of the eye for lefties thereafter, and a lot of social media following. Leveraged from this, she published some books etc. As expected, she was strongly supporting 'woman entry'

M J Sreechithran is a 'self promoting intellectual' who claims to be an IT expert (which means he can make web pages using PHP). He became very visible being a proponent of 'women entry', and appeared on multiple 'channel discussions' every day. A list of frauds he did came out recently after this 'poemgate' broke out.

One of Sreechitran's antics is he copies some material from someone's blog. Then he goes back to his own blog (this was before FB, when blog was 'the thing') and edits an earlier entry adding this content there. blogs do not mention the 'latest edit' date. Only the 'published date'. So, it did appear that he published it earlier. But someone figured a way to retrieve the edit date info (not clear how) and exposed it.

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Postby hnair » 06 Dec 2018 08:02

UlanBatori wrote:OK, which college? :mrgreen:


vokay....vokay..... :lol:

Here you go, saaar, t'is all in there:
https://www.facebook.com/deepa.nisanth

But it was incredible, the promptness with which she sold that guy who was her accomplice, at the drop of a hat! Still, the number of people who are saying "she apologized, all is well, everyone sins" is incredible. Meanwhile, a certain Honorable Governor is still called names, because he accompanied Prime Minister Modi during the inauguration of Kochi Metro!

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Postby hnair » 06 Dec 2018 08:09

One important legal issue with criminal angle is CPI-M MLA, PK Shashi's sexual harassment allegations. A party worker complained that she has been harassed by this chap over phone etc. She must have been persuaded to not file a police case, because she did not. Now the party has done some inquiry and found PK Shashi to be guilty. Which means, there is recorded proof or even more nasty things came out.

So what does the CPI-M, the party that is shouting itself hoarse about "upholding rule of law and consitution" do? They suspended the creep for six months. No police case, no criminal proceedings. So much for "We are duty bound to implement law"

This whole incident came up almost three months ago and here is our national conscience keeper, Yechuri:

CPI(M) General Secretary, Sitaram Yechury, told reporters in New Delhi Tuesday that he had received the complaint.

"Yes, I have received the complaint yesterday and it has been forwarded to the Kerala unit. They have started enquiry proceedings into it. That is our usual practice," he said.


So when someone talks about "upholding consitutional rights of women in Sabarimala", please do not forget to ask "What about PK Shashi?"

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby Sachin » 07 Dec 2018 12:12

On Kerala Floods...
Flood relief: Kerala to get Rs 3,048 cr more from Centre. The catch here is that, the state has to complete the relief & rehabilitation tasks and then submit a detailed report and account books for the funds to be released. GoKL accountants will have a good time fudging/cooking up account books ;).

On Sabari Mala issue..
Hindu outfit in TN to take 40 young women to Sabarimala. A deliberate attempt to mislead the readers by the "secular" news paper whose owner has also jumped ships to join the commies. The TN based outfit may send up 40 women, but their primary target is the Vavar/Babar mosque next to the shrine. The "secular brigade" so far has been trying to paint a picture that only the Hindu temple is discriminating the women; the mosque's stance has been clearly kept aside. The TN out fit's attempt is to force the "secular brigade" to state their plans when it comes to a mosque.

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Postby chandrasekaran » 07 Dec 2018 14:09

I don't know from where the KP's intelligence dept. got this news. Hindu Makkal Katchi, afaik, was very strongly opposed to SC judgement. For example, see here - https://www.aninews.in/videos/national/ ... la-temple/ and here - http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/ ... 58022.html

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Postby Dileep » 07 Dec 2018 18:44

They are actually trying to bring in women to enter the Vavar Mosque at erumeli. Not Sabarimala.


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Postby Javee » 08 Dec 2018 11:05

Pandala Raja and the Chief High priest are in Chennai Mahalingapuram Aiyappa temple on December 16th for a nama japa yatra.

Check out @Gopalee67’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/Gopalee67/status/10 ... 02913?s=09

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby Primus » 08 Dec 2018 18:38

mappunni wrote:

A GoFundme page has been set up

https://www.gofundme.com/help-madhavan-thirumeni-to-cover-legal-fees


Done my bit. All those who can please do yours. This is the only way to beat the relentless assault on Dharma. Most of us do not have the energy or time or opportunity to be on the front lines. We can at least support those that do.


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