Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

SriKumar · Post by **SriKumar** » 23 Dec 2018 20:44

Dileep, Did you hand out any flyers/pamphlets yet?
What was the response of people who read it ?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 24 Dec 2018 06:01

Dileep what is needed is the #Sabarimala devotees form themselves into Angad Sena.
Let Keralam show the way.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 24 Dec 2018 09:12

2 bibis climbing with massive polis shield: stopped where the path gets narrow. Tantri apparently ready to shut shrine if the bibis reach.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 24 Dec 2018 09:54

Looks like "Manithi" is getting the NonPerson treatment from Cee Em's daphtar.

But my fear is that under cover of all the hoopla on the main route, with Janam TV firmly glued there, the Kamaninis will be stealthily climbing the South Cliff like Force 10 going to spike the Guns of Navaronistan.

P.S. Why does one Bibi have a cloth tied around her head in the most Halal manner? It is too late in the day for it to be cold. She frequently adjusts it over the left ear: does she have a satphone direct to Pindi inside I wonder? The other BB is bijy on the Smartphone and covering her mouth to keep the kuffar from using lip-reading technology.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 24 Dec 2018 10:15

None of the ladies if you can call them that were having Bindi on their forehead. In the south all Hindu ladies married or unmarried and except widows will have bindis. These ladies have none. That alone is a give away.

Dileep · Post by **Dileep** » 24 Dec 2018 10:28

Not only that. You are supposed to wear the 'kalabham' and 'bhasmam' kuri when you do the 'filling the bundle' and keep those marks throughout the journey. Also, they themselves said that they took only 5 days vrutham.

Anyway, police wisened up and forcefully removed the 'asuddhi' from the holy saranam trail.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 24 Dec 2018 12:09

In line with the hoary traditions of the Pakistan Armed Fauj, they came there dressed as men until they were identified, then they sought polis protection. I heard that they were arrested, and taken downhill in stretchers, no confirmation seen on MSM of that. (Impeccable sources: eyewitnesses glued to Janam TV in Ulan Bator)

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 24 Dec 2018 12:50

Janam Tv proved to be game changer here. Shows the need to have similar entities everywhere in the nation.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 24 Dec 2018 16:39

I think between Manithi and this Bindu/Kanakam BBs, they have done a nice job discrediting the women clamoring to be allowed up there, as nothing but anti-Hindu saboteurs/communal-riot instigators. Brought down on stretchers like palanquins carried by men, no less! They were sitting up there discussing on the phone for a long time, then suddenly decided to "take ill" for the free ride down. The govt should bill Manithi and these two for the services provided - they were most certainly not devotees of anything but themselves. Phoneys all.
Manithi has landed the Pinnarayi gang in a nice pickle, with the CPI (Right-wing) asking why KP was conned into providing protection for the Manithi gang, not having checked into their record (as seen on Teetar). So when they tried calling CM's office after racing down the hill, they got the cold shoulder. Polis basically allowed them to get scared out of their wits: sounds like that was at least OK with polis if not planned to convey a lesson. Marked lack of enthusiasm, and polis kept answering about the safety of The Devotees meaning the 79000 yesterdin and 150,000 todin, rather than the 2 or 11 agitators.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 25 Dec 2018 08:36

Taking a turn for the worse. Clearly bhakts are losing patience with the strategy of trickle-up bibis coming 2 and 3 at a time, I am sure Polis are not thrilled with it either. Who breaks down first? Some signs of stress very evident in posts even here, not pointing to any.

Ominous development: Apparently in TN locals have been donating eggs, construction material (stones) etc through the windows of the trains carrying Manithi herrowines back. This is why TN Polis gave protection until the border on the way in: Ppl in TN are of much simpler and direct faith than malloos.

Dileep · Post by **Dileep** » 25 Dec 2018 09:58

The bolis are trying out different tactics each time. Yesterdin, they used the taknik perfected by drivers here in desh. Snake and wiggle your way through the crowd. This worked at two locations where traffic was low, but when they reached the a la silk board of Bengaluru, Kerala, nothing could be done, since the number of people was too many.

New realization. The human crowd also have thixotropic property

. You can push and make way to some extent, but beyond a level, it will be like a brick wall onlee.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 25 Dec 2018 10:35

UlanBatori wrote: Ominous development: Apparently in TN locals have been donating eggs, construction material (stones) etc through the windows of the trains carrying Manithi herrowines back. This is why TN Polis gave protection until the border on the way in: Ppl in TN are of much simpler and direct faith than malloos.

Not TN, but closer to our neck of woods, saar

Meanwhile, eggs were hurled at the train by suspected BJP-RSS workers at
Neyyattinkara, where the train didn’t have a stop

Bolis is being made to answer too many questions in a day - why did you OMKV downhill? Why did you escort them from TN onwards? Why hide them illegally in a disability compartment of the train?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 25 Dec 2018 18:09

A big change:

Yesterday's two BBs were almost like Frederick Forsyth's "The Fourth Protocol": Two Agints whose sheer incompetence seemed aimed to ensure destruction of the efforts of the other Aginits.

Looks almost too good to be true: I hope The Faithful are vigilant.
1. Polis and MANTRI

(red flag, literally) seeking DGP permission to refuse to escort any more "activists".
2. The duo are on Hunger Strike after being arrested and transported down, and feinting fainting etc.
3. The POLIS show that they are reading this dhaga

They have seized the BB's cellphones.

YESSSSS! That should be very informative, someone should file an RTI to find out what numbers BB Zero was calling all the time for instructions, and why BB K... was continually adjusting the satphone under the towel wrapped over her ear.
4. Polis released the goods on the BBs: (this may be about the chennai Man-Eat-e BBs) CRIMINAL CASES PENDING against them elsewhere.

Dileep · Post by **Dileep** » 25 Dec 2018 18:23

A not-so-reliable source scoops that 300 activitist wimmin and 1000 activitist-supporting men from the myavoist crowd are planning to make an attempt. The men are there to provide seksurity to the wimmin, since the bolis turned out to be unix.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 25 Dec 2018 19:17

UlanBatori wrote:A big change:

Yesterday's two BBs were almost like Frederick Forsyth's "The Fourth Protocol": Two Agints whose sheer incompetence seemed aimed to ensure destruction of the efforts of the other Aginits.

Looks almost too good to be true: I hope The Faithful are vigilant.
1. Polis and MANTRI (red flag, literally) seeking DGP permission to refuse to escort any more "activists".
2. The duo are on Hunger Strike after being arrested and transported down, and feinting fainting etc.
3. The POLIS show that they are reading this dhaga They have seized the BB's cellphones. YESSSSS! That should be very informative, someone should file an RTI to find out what numbers BB Zero was calling all the time for instructions, and why BB K... was continually adjusting the satphone under the towel wrapped over her ear.
4. Polis released the goods on the BBs: (this may be about the chennai Man-Eat-e BBs) CRIMINAL CASES PENDING against them elsewhere.

Sat phones are illegal in India.

need all kinds of permission to use one.

If the said lady was using one, all details including personal details would be available.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 25 Dec 2018 20:06

Point is, why was the Gold BB sitting with a towel around the head and frequently adjusting it over one ear? Polis must have noticed it. Zero BB was speaking into mobile with fingers over lips to obstruct lip-reading: obviously trained in such things. The sudden "health problems" were obviously bogus: if they were in such poor shape why did they think they could undertake the strenuous enterprise? Set back the cause of wimmens by decades.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 25 Dec 2018 20:10

Polis have now made it official: impossible to provide security for Activist types.

The police are also reported to have said that they will not allow anyone with criminal cases against them to enter the temple.

Hmm! That one is intended to keep yindoo netas out since they have cases pending.
I don't see how they can do this though: if a person is out on bail, why are they not allowed to go worship?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 26 Dec 2018 20:17

twitter

This is very famous 'Naari Pooja' in Chakkulathu Devi Temple, Kerala. Selected Women r worshiped and treated as Devata. Only women.
I wonder whthr the #UrbanNaxals wil go to court asking y men r not worshipd. This is Hindutva. It has space for everybdy and evrything. Respect it.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 26 Dec 2018 20:35

Watch the video

Rajmohan @rajkandenkavil 1h1 hour ago

@FeminismInIndia , 750KM ayyapajyothi.

Still think the Sabarimala rituals are an indication of gender oppression?

They are the true stakeholders.

@Kuvalayamala
@lotophagus
@RahulEaswar

#AyyappaJyothi
#Sabarimala
( Ollur-Thalore road, Thrissur)

https://twitter.com/rajkandenkavil/stat ... 6478571520

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 26 Dec 2018 20:39

watch the video

#SaveSabarimalaTradition

Jayashankar @jaypanicker 2h2 hours ago

What a response! 4Million people lighting up the entire state at one go. World record indeed #AyyappaJyothi

https://twitter.com/jaypanicker/status/ ... 0687761408

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 26 Dec 2018 20:56

RVAIDYA2000 @rvaidya2000

Interesting: It appears The tempo traveller for Manithi was provided by one Jappar of SDPI from TN--If true then it has far reaching implications of EVR grand daughters and SDPI collaboration:)RT

8:30 PM - 24 Dec 2018 from Bhopal, India

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 26 Dec 2018 21:18

Just back from the lamp lighting protest around Trivandrum. The entire town turned up, including quite a few of the faithful wimmens from other religions

Looks like everyone is pissed with the commie gubmint and its insensitive interference in stuff they have no clue about. I heard from the organizers that the lamp-lighting, which was supposed to stop at Kerala border with TN at Kalyikkavila, got extended to Kanyakumar, until the very southern tip of india

Hope it extended to Mangalore in north!

What a fall from grace for a CM who was being extolled as the Great Rebuilder after the floods. Even the CPI-M's major coalition partner, the CPI, is having its leader Kanam Rajendran saying "wimmens should stay off Sabarimala" doing some furious downhilling

.

Kerala CM is a text book case of a mijjile malish done at behest of stalinist cultists, that went horribly bad

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 26 Dec 2018 22:00

Kerala's Republic Day float left off list of final 14 state tableaux: LDF leaders slam 'political' exclusion by Centre

Kerala's Republic Day float left off list of final 14 state tableaux: LDF leaders slam 'political' exclusion by Centre

TK Devasia Dec 26, 2018

After right-wing outfits thwarted its move to implement the Supreme Court verdict lifting the ban on the entry of menstruating women to the Lord Ayyappa temple in Sabarimala, Kerala's Left Democratic Front (LDF) government has been trying to make the entry of women possible by reviving the renaissance legacy of the state.

It sought to articulate the idea at the national level by making renaissance the theme of its float for the Republic Day Parade on 26 January. However, the Bharatiya Janata Party-led National Democratic Front (NDA) government is not impressed by the idea. The Ministry of Defence, which is the final authority on selecting the floats, has reportedly denied permission to the proposed float that depicts the 1924-25 Vaikom Satyagriha.

The state government considers the satyagriha relevant in the case of Sabarimala since it helped lower caste Hindus in gaining their right not only to enter temples, but also to use public roads. The satyagriha organised with the blessings of Mahatma Gandhi was also instrumental in the 1936 Temple Entry Proclamation made by the erstwhile Travancore rulers.

The state government had also proposed the Temple Entry Proclamation and the Non-Cooperation Movement as themes for the float. Chief Minister Pinarayi Vijayan's political secretary MV Jayarajan said that the cultural committee under the defence ministry had selected the Vaikom Satyagriha for the state's float. However, it did not figure among the list of 14 state floats finalised by the ministry.

"We have not received any communication from the ministry so far. We presume it is rejected since the state was not included in the final list. We don't know the reason for rejecting the theme, which we thought is relevant in the wake of the stiff resistance from right-wing outfits to the move to implement the Sabarimala verdict," he added.

When asked whether the decision is political, Jayarajan said that it was clearly so, since the BJP and Sangh Parivar have been at the forefront of the agitation against permitting women's entry to the temple. He opined that the state unit of the BJP was trying to use the issue for political gains.

The state leadership of the saffron party, that initially welcomed the apex court verdict, started opposing it after women in large numbers took to the streets against the government's support to women entering the temple. The party workers and Sangh Parivar activists have been resisting the entry of women by trekking up the hill as devotees and physically blocking young women from going into the temple.

State BJP president PS Sreedharan Pillai had described the Sabarirmala issue as a golden opportunity for the growth of his party in the state and urged the cadres to extract maximum mileage from it. The biggest attraction of the party was the strong position the Nair Service Society (NSS), a community organisation of the upper caste Nair community, took against women's entry to Sabarimala.

The party believed it to be an opportunity to bring the organisation under the NDA fold as in the case of Sree Narayana Dharma Paripalana (SNDP) Yogam of the lower caste Ezhavas, which aligned with the NDA by floating a political party called Bharat Dharama Jana Sena (BDJS).

The BJP has been targeting Hindu community organisations as most of the regional parties are well-entrenched in either the LDF or UDF. However, NSS defied the move saying that it did not want to be identified as a Sangh Parivar outfit. The Sabarimala issue saw both coming together.

Although NSS general secretary G Sukumaran Nair denied any political tie-up with BJP, the LDF feels that the members of the community will side with the saffron party as they believe that the saffron party has backed their struggle for protecting the customs and rituals in Sabarimala.

Political analysts believe that the government had thought of rallying renaissance organisations to make up the loss by consolidating its position among Ezhavas, who traditionally backed the Communists. They believe that the government had given the leadership of the women's wall on 1 January proposed as part of the renaissance campaign to SNDP general secretary Vellappally Natesan with this in mind.

The government had proposed the float on Vaikom Satyagriha to strengthen the movement. Therefore, it considers the rejection of the float by the Central government as a politically-motivated decision. The state BJP chief refused to comment on the defence ministry's decision. He said he had no official information from the Central government about the rejection of the float. "I have only seen the media reports. I cannot comment based on the media reports," Pillai said.

However, a BJP leader, who did not want to be identified, denied any politics behind the decision. He said that the floats for the parade are selected based on various criteria. He pointed out that the floats proposed by the state in 2015 and 2016 were also rejected. No one raised any political point behind the decision then, the party leader said.

Political analysts suspect that the Central government decision not to allow the state's float on the Vaikom Satyagriha could be aimed at supporting the Sangh Parivar. Joseph C Mathew, advisor to former chief minister VS Achuthanandan, said it could be a political decision as the theme of the float was cleared by the cultural committee.

"If the defence minister has overruled the committee's decision, it could be on political grounds. This is a serious issue. The state should protest this strongly," he said, adding that Kerala will lose the gains it has made through renaissance if the conservative sections are allowed to gain an upper hand. Joseph said he had differences with the government over the conduct of the women's wall. But he said that he wanted the campaign to succeed as it would strengthen the fight against the reactionary forces trying to 'take the state back to the Stone Age'.

The BJP and Congress-led Opposition United Democratic Front have been opposing the women's wall by terming it a communal wall aimed at seeking political gains from dividing people communally. While the Congress refused to associate with the wall, the Sangh Parivar countered it by organising an Ayyappa Jyothi — the simultaneous lighting of Ayyappa lamps from Manjeshwaram in the North to Parassala in the South — on 26 December.

The Central government's decision to deny permission for the Kerala float on renaissance may fuel the simmering tussle between the LDF and the Sangh Parivar over Sabarimala

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 27 Dec 2018 06:04

This wonderful

has not been posted here, AFAICS

Following your attempt to enter Sabarimala, ~~many~~ {evil yindoos on Pee Aref} have dug up your Facebook posts. They have pointed out that you are a Leftist and have put up posts in support of Zakir Naik, criticizing you for them. How do you respond to this?

Already people have a low opinion of ~~women~~ {anti-India extremists}. If they create {Huh? The FB Posts were not CREATED by the yindoos, hain?} the impression that Leftists and those with a Dravidar Kazhagam background are trying to break a tradition, then even those sympathetic to our cause will be turned away, right? That’s why they are taking Facebook posts and saying that we are trying to break Ayyappa. Their intention is not to allow women. They want to make it look as though Islamic, Christian, Leftist, and atheists are breaking a Hindu tradition. This is a strategy to divert attention from the issue of inequality.

DK are the einsteins that go around hitting a Rama figure with chappals and praising Ravana, IIRC. Generally conversionist/China funded.

Looks like Polis were careful to provide Protection. To the law-abiding public from these anarchists.
Also they confirm that what happened was that Polis coolly "started running" and then the Faithful decided to come down the mountain like an avalanche.

Dileep · Post by **Dileep** » 27 Dec 2018 07:46

Took part in the lamp lighting with SHQ, both my boys, SHQ's mom and her twin sister. Rode a battered red killer type city bus (service donated by the owner) standing along with close to hundred people for an hour and a half to the interior of the district for this. The chain took the central route rather than the coastal NH, hence the travel.

The route is segmented into km long sections and each section managed by a unit of the Ayyappa Karma Samithi (a confederation of hundreds of orgs, but practically led by RSS and BJP). Our section had more than 2000 people, so we stood almost shoulder to shoulder instead of the regulation 1m apart. Stood their chanting 'Saranam' for half an hour.

Very significant points about the chain:

1. There was no propaganda. No writing on walls. No "Flex" hoarding. No house to house campaign. Nothing!! Some media coverage happened like a usual event.

2. Fully self funded by the people. There was no money collection. In fact the co-ordinators refused to take my offer to donate. People brought in extra chirags, sesame seed wicks and oil for those in need. People brought in drinking water and packets of biscuits etc.

3. Good participation from SNDP folk, even though their leader Vellapally have his balls in the clutch of CPIM.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 27 Dec 2018 08:29

I was following on twitter. this was SO inspiring. more power to you.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 27 Dec 2018 11:43

Was not active on BRF as I needed a "vacation" from every thing

. The Sabari Mala temple would shut down today and would re-open only on 30th Dec, 2018. Which means that K.P and the activist gangs get three good days to plan their new adventures

.

From what I have been happening around in this pilgrim season.
1. More than the average Hindu woman; it is the activist groups who is on the forefront of causing damage to the temple and its belief system. It may not be a preposturous thing to say that many of the groups may have good backing from non-Hindu religious groups.
2. GoKL (and its side kick K.P) cannot be trusted as an "honourable" entities any more. The past behaviours indicate that they are dishonest and would cheat given a chance. It kinds of reconfirms my belief that CPI(M) and its leadership in Kerala has been hijacked by vested interest groups; mostly through the brigade of "advisors" the Chief Minister has. As per this online report (in Malayalam)
2a. The K.P knew that the women trying to enter the temple were more activists or from pro-Naxal gangs. Yet they were given all possible support.
2b. The "Manithi" gang from TN were piloted by K.P based on the instructions of the S.P; Harishankar. It was he who organised the route which the convoy should take, and also switch to alternate routes. The district police had even done a recce of the routes at his instance. This IPS officer is the son of Sankar Das another Travancore Devaswom Board member, who is a CPI (Daniel Raja's outfit) "leader".
3. For GoKL keeping the Sabari Mala issue in the boil, also helps them in hiding the utter incompetence of them in all other areas. People have now forgotten about custodial deaths, misappropriation of funds etc. Some online media report about gross swindling of Central Govt. aid funds for Okchi.

But looks like the greedy government has realised that the expected funds from Sabari Mala are not coming in. Last year revenue was 164 Cr, and this year it is 105Cr. There has been severe shortfall on the sales of Prasada items

. The foot fall at the temple is also less (68 lakh v/s 30 lakh). And the way things are moving; the belief system at Sabari mala is now known to more people and the communist government's stance is also now out in the open.

Dileep wrote:What happened was, the devotees trekking down were kept blocked, and a sizable crowd was waiting behind the police. Bigg mistake onlee!! Once they saw that the mahishis are coming their way, they simply breached the police block and ran down.

There are rumours that there is a sizeable Ayyappa bakths in the ranks of K.P now on duty at Sabari Mala. And it is through them the Sangies are getting information. And that the charge of the Ayyappas could have actually been done with the tacit approval of police men at the temple

. And when this crowd came charging the "Manithis" could only enact the "Temple run" game.

I think the only person who still considers doing some mischief just to make the point is good old PV.

Looks like PV is actually the dumbest politician ever to become the Chief Minister of Kerala. His skills are mainly on goonda-giri and violence, and he has not handled any crucial portfolios like Home or Revenue before. From the number of advisors he has on his panel; looks like his general awareness on any thing is very less. Did you notice is his last trip to UAE; where he was kind of chapeoroned around by businessmen & media advisor etc?? His body language was that of a man with low confidence levels, who could not figure out what was going around him and was also having serious problems in communicating. So it is very much possible that such a man can have his "aetheist ego" massaged and then be made a horse taken for a ride.

Also notice the way the North Kerala based communist leaders trying to make the maximum foreign junk trips etc. This kind of mentality, I have only seen in people who were really mentally and physically poor. Crass people, who would never be able to achieve great heights in a democratic or civilised world.

300 activitist wimmin and 1000 activitist-supporting men from the myavoist crowd are planning to make an attempt. The men are there to provide seksurity to the wimmin, since the bolis turned out to be unix

As per the report the Myavoyists were to try make an attempt before 27th. They have not been able to do so (yet). Any ways, let them try this as the chief priest still has the atomic-weapon with him (shutting down the temple). The Myavosist gang would then find it tough to get out of the hill temple & then also settle down in their own homes. There has not been a single instance where the "activists" were NOT given a good welcome at their home towns.

hnair wrote:Bolis is being made to answer too many questions in a day - why did you OMKV downhill? Why did you escort them from TN onwards? Why hide them illegally in a disability compartment of the train?

The K.P DGP is becoming another sad joke

. He is asking why did the police run at the Pampa river point? But he has no problems when his own "boys" were beaten black & blue by SFI (commie youth) outfit in the capital city. Don't know if any legal recourse is there for forcing Kerala Police to give a formal statement on their proposed approach for Sabari Mala. They seem to be saying one thing, which deceitly trying to do some thing else. Each time they get caught; *then* they come with an excuse that the women were all "activists". The gimmick of "we will not try such attempts again" has also been used before, so it would be safe NOT to believe it.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 27 Dec 2018 12:06

hnair wrote:What a fall from grace for a CM who was being extolled as the Great Rebuilder after the floods.

What has he achieved in terms of relief work to be hailed as such?

Dileep · Post by **Dileep** » 27 Dec 2018 12:29

Ayyappa devotees are EVERYWHERE, so information will always be made available. Unless something that could be done using a few selected people, matters will be public. Otherwise how the bio of Gold/Zero came in the scroll minutes after they started the trek?

This wave of devotees at Pampa is apparently orchestrated by the KP themselves, to 'motivate' the mahishis to OMKV. Maybe even the Gold/Zero duo was also tactically managed by KP. Maybe they want to stick it up to the 'shumbhans' sitting in AC rooms and giving commands.

Pinarayi looks visibly frail walking around. The only thing that still works is his legendary steely stare and the monotonic speech delivery.

You know what I am really scared of? In the coming assembly election, BJP taking Congi votes and letting LDF to power again. I am seriously afraid BJP will do that, in a move to sow the seeds to reap benefit later with a Cong mukt KL and eventually a BJP ruled state with Commies in opposition on long term. Youknow... Big Picture... Need of Many... Pain for a good tomorrow etc.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 27 Dec 2018 13:09

Kashi wrote:What has he achieved in terms of relief work to be hailed as such?

Sir, you want to see "history repeating itself (as a farce)?"; please come to Kerala

. People who miss Stalin's Russia would find it still alive in Kerala. The same kind of coterie (commies who were sattelites of Stalin) who orchestrated the public looting, a police chief who reminds of Laverenti Beria. The state police machinery which has been completely made into a party machinery; targetting political rivals and behaving like hired goons. Police using every possible option to curtail opposition (especially from BJP & RSS; the Congress being quite dhimmified). The main stream media who would put Pravda to shame when it comes to propaganda.

And it is the Pravdas of Kerala who tries to paint a picture of a grand relief work after the floods. Okchi disaster relief itself is now shrouded in mystery as embezzelment of funds has started slowly leaking out. And the rehabilitation work for the flood victims also is now pretty much forgotten. The flood related media coverage also showed a clear attempt to encourage seccessionist thoughts in Kerala populace by pitting the Kerala based fisherfolks against the central govt. provided rescue teams. Begging challenge in Arab countries again showed the loyalty (?) to Arabs going beyond that given to Indian Union.

GoKL and communists are surviving mainly by diverting people's attention to other issues (eg: Sabari Mala). Till date the government is unable to give concrete numbers on any activity they have done. Because if they give facts & figures it would be easy for others to punch a hole in their tall claims. So it is all vague movements (like "Women's wall for Rennaisance") and gimmicks done quite well using the services provided by main stream media.

BJP taking Congi votes and letting LDF to power again. I am seriously afraid BJP will do that, in a move to sow the seeds to reap benefit later with a Cong mukt KL and eventually a BJP ruled state with Commies in opposition on long term

BJP moves in KL worries me as well, as some how I see them always in the kalakka vellathil meen pidikkal (fishing in troubled waters) mode. So whether they are using Lord Ayyappa and the Hindu faith to further their agenda; I really cannot say. But non-political Sangh units seems to be firmly standing to defend the faith. And another aspect is that CPI(M) and CPI; the two "leftist aetheist" groups seems to be now 100% colluding with Break India Forces. Their "aetheism" is now pretty much changed to anti-Hindu stance.

jpremnath · Post by **jpremnath** » 27 Dec 2018 13:16

Dileep wrote: ...You know what I am really scared of? In the coming assembly election, BJP taking Congi votes and letting LDF to power again. I am seriously afraid BJP will do that, in a move to sow the seeds to reap benefit later with a Cong mukt KL and eventually a BJP ruled state with Commies in opposition on long term. Youknow... Big Picture... Need of Many... Pain for a good tomorrow etc.

That is precisely what CPM is aiming at...its not that they are oblivious to the smoldering resentment in Hindus. They are in fact trying to add as much fuel to it...Right now the congis are behaving like a deer in headlight..totally clueless. UDF which is led by Congress has support from the vast majority of Christian and Muslim voters and substantial anti commie Hindus. Now the women entry issue is driving the last group towards BJP. The commis calculate that the cadre nature of their supporters will hold the Hindus already in party firmly within their ranks; especially the strong Ezhava community which forms 22% of the state population. Last state election UDF which used to get above 40% vote share in every election saw it drop below 36% or so...So by next election that will be down to less than 30% . Another 6% going to the BJP front. I am pretty sure that LDF is calculating that they can keep their vote share around 40 % which will mean they retain their power.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 27 Dec 2018 14:18

Are you sure about this? From what I understand (I am not local to KL) Hindus are the main vote bank of LDF and others are of UDF. So if BJP becomes strong it is logical for it to get more LDF votes and not UDF votes. Am I wrong?

jpremnath · Post by **jpremnath** » 27 Dec 2018 15:02

The situation is not that simple. Even among Hindus, LDF's main support base is the Ezhava community who are the foot soldiers. They form a significant chunk of the labour force in the state and hence their commitment to the commies.Besides, they have also been the major beneficiary of the Social, land and labour reforms of the state and feels they owe gratitude. In the UDF, Kerala Congress (KC, the christian party) and Muslim League (ML) are the ones which soaks up their own community votes and leaves mainly Hindu votes for the congress. Contrary to popular belief, Congress has significant Hindu Support base even today. The Hindus who are strongly anti commie always stood by UDF, because BJP was never a force enough to attract them in masse.. Basically Congress in the state even today has strong leaders with personality and people skills while BJP has its shelves pretty bare when it comes to quality of human resources.

Dileep · Post by **Dileep** » 27 Dec 2018 18:04

Yagnasri wrote:Are you sure about this? From what I understand (I am not local to KL) Hindus are the main vote bank of LDF and others are of UDF. So if BJP becomes strong it is logical for it to get more LDF votes and not UDF votes. Am I wrong?

The difference is, yindoos with LDF are loyal, party based ones and the yindoos with UDF are opportunistic, issue based ones. So, the swing will affect UDF immensely more than LDF. Unfortunately, our electoral system works on the principle of 'highest votes'. Cong do what they do because they do not want to squander the loyal assured vote bank of minorities for the same of the swinging yindoos.

What BJP should do is to focus on their strong seats and let Cong win in the rest.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Dec 2018 00:50

Why should they do that?
People talk like Congress is better than Commies for Hindus.
Let Congress fight it out.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 28 Dec 2018 09:42

Historically in places like WB pro BJP people voted for INC as do not want to vote for CPM. It did not help them in the end. INC of those days is not INC of today. Both CPM and INC are almost the same as for as the nation is concerned. So why allow INC to continue in KL ?

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 28 Dec 2018 11:25

For those not getting what Dileep and Sachin are trying to say:
- BJP is not going to come to power anytime soon, due to coalition partner paucity, tailoring the message issues and having no Tier1 leader of repute
- If 2014 election is a benchmark, then a significant chunk of Cong votes (7%) got shifted to BJP, but not enough got shifted from CPI-M (1.6%) to BJP, resulting in a resounding win for commies

Based on those points above
- if the trend of BJP voteshare increasing by a few percentage points (and it will due to Sabarimala) is maintained, Congress will be in deep trouble and becomes unwinnable in several swing constituencies. BJP although, will get more votes (probably breach 20% barrier) but will get no extra seats due to paucity of coalition partners who can bring in the final winning percentages. So the scary scenario, that CPI-M will rule a second consecutive term, but with a bigger margin will occur. We are talking about 2/3 rd (which is an achievable 105 seats from current 91 that their coalition have)

- A depleted Congress will mean really bad politics in assembly and outside: Indian Union Muslim League will displace Congress as the biggest party of UDF coalition and since their vote banks are isolated to two districts and immune from all but Allah, BJP will cause no erosion there. Already Muslim League have 18 seats to Congress' meager 22. So a national party that wielded serious power, is just 4 seats ahead of India's greatest political retards (hope that sinks in here?).

- CPI-M on the other hand already have FIFTY-FOUR seats as a party and it will increase that to 80 or more, enough for a simple majority.

What does all this mean, if current game is passively allowed to play out?
- CPI-M gets greater dominance over rest of coalition, resulting in poaching/coalescing and enhanced thuggery against RSS
- Muslim League will dictate terms in the **ONLY** coalition in which practicing Hindus have some say inside the Kerala Assembly
- Even if the 20% mark is reached, winnability of seats is an issue and BJP will not still breach the 5 seat mark. If it doesn't reach seat count to atleast 10, wont make an impact in 140 seat assembly with 100 seat dominance by commies.

prasannasimha · Post by **prasannasimha** » 28 Dec 2018 12:59

This is am excuse played bu Congi's. A shoft csn and should be made.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 28 Dec 2018 14:05

CPM and INC both are anti national in their outlook. Neither is better evil than the other. Attacks on Hindus will continue even if INC comes to power tomorrow, Shabarimalai type incidents will not stop and killing of Hindus will not stop. True there will be less seats in the assembly for BJP but there can be MP seats and street/goon power which really matters in a CPM ruled state. I fear KL will be slowly heading for a situation wherein the street power & armed gangs will decide the fate of people. Tragic.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 28 Dec 2018 18:12

A clear rejection of CPM/LDF by yindoos is essential. Saying that they will only vote for LDF says that "they" deserve the Darwin Award. Think positive, hnairgolisullah. It is possible.
The Ayyappa Jyothi event a couple of dins pehle was the first sign of an issue that actually brought the yindoo bibi-behen out in their fiery finery. Young or old, fashionable or not, they came out! Very impressive indeed. Beautifully choreographed, finely tuned to what would bring them out, kudos to the organizers!!

This wave has to be carried to the point where it translates to an actively managed vote tsunami: we Mongolians of course do not interfere in desh election affairs

.

I hope one step is to get rid of 97% of the movies and soaps in Malloostan. Nearly EVERY one has an anti-yindoo theme, the other 3% diss yindoos and Xtians (but never anyone else). One has to be an outsider to see the blatant intent, which is subconscious to most resident malloos.

My guess is that if a tsunami occurs this May it will lead to panic in EllDeeEf, with a falling-out of the thieves. Already the "Devaswom Commie Mantri" (an oxy-moron if ever there was one) is on record as skiiing downhill faster than the Manithis.
Recently had occasion to see the clear need to break out of the Devaswom grip at temples large and small. Its gone too far: need a Vimochana Samaram.