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As I type this in, two women (from Andhra Pradesh) are moving up from Pampa, the earlier point at which women were denied entry. They would have to trek for 5km to reach Sannidhanam area, and then climb up the 18 holy steps to reach the temple's sanctum sanctorum. From what I could make out the women did not seem to be carrying any of the holy/sacred items which devotees carry. At present the sanctum sanctorum is locked and no darshan would be possible.

Update (11:15AM) - The lady Madhavi @ age 40 and her aged parents who were moving up to the Sannidhanam have now decided to come back after they realised what the protest was all about.
Young woman enters Sabarimala; Returns due to protests.

Three lady staff from the Devaswom Board was to attend a review meeting to be held at Sannidhanam. But the sentries at Pampa had asked for their age proofs and noted that they were above the age of 50. What is now being seen is that Kerala Police is now actually giving all support to women; so much so that it is now a prestige issue for them as well. Social media is clearly bringing up the antecedents of the Kerala women who are now planning to visit the shrine. Using their social media profiles itself, they have been seen abusing Lord Ayyappa, declare themselves as aetheists and also with pride that that they are communist cadres.

Tomorrow would be a more decisive day as there are lots of ceremonies to happen (including the selection of the priests for this season).
habal wrote:Sachin, IIRC you predicted police lathi charge like in ramlila maidan.
Well perhaps I was not very clear. The officers would be different, how the lathi charge would be conducted would also be different (it would be based on K.P Lathi drill procedures). But force would be used in the night to evict the protestors, and that was exactly what happened yesterday night (after around 2200Hrs), and early this morning.
Sabarimala women entry: Protest at Nilakkal, Kerala police removes agitators
By 6.15 am, the brewing tension got out of hand, and the police were forced to break into the gathering. A couple of them were taken into custody, while others were forcefully evicted and the protest venue was fully dismantled.

Tight security outside Sabarimala temple as protesters continue to resist women's entry
There were reports that the police had to resort to mild lathi-charge to disperse protesters on Wednesday when they tried to block the buses from the key entry point to the temple.
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Mean while the grand looting scheme of the communists by going on a "world begging challenge" is also now scuttled thanks to sensible decision taken by the central government.
Kerala ministers cancel foreign trip for fundraising
Many of the communist ministers who had made big time purchases to visit the capitalist countries, can think about putting up a discount sale at their local party offices :lol:.
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Sachin, thanks for your clarifications. It seems the communists are over eager to somehow make atleast a dozen women enter inside temple sanctum sanctorum. At the same time an open lathi charge would help state BJP to gain higher moral ground and claim that hindu rights were trampled.

But do you think protests could have been handled better instead of a bunch of 'locals' going around abusing all women in sight. Isn't that a 'self goal' ?
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habal wrote:But do you think protests could have been handled better instead of a bunch of 'locals' going around abusing all women in sight. Isn't that a 'self goal' ?
Protests to be handled better by whom? I don't think all women were abused. The women who are coming to the place is coming with an agenda; and that is not devotion or love for Ayyappa. The latest is a woman from Pathanamthitta, whose own social media profile says that she is an aetheist and advides Ayyappa to take kadukka vellam (medical concoction) to control s-exual urges if any. And this woman today wears a black dress, wears a garland and decides to goto Sabari mala.

From the Hindu devotees side, along with the current visible protests what should have got done was a campaign through Ayyappa temples all across South India. There itself the devotees had to be adviced that why women in certain age group do not visit the shrine. The Ayyappa Seva Sanghams across India, could have a done a better job in spreading their message across. But that would still not stop the fake devotees with an agenda from making a visit. The communists are hell bent on destorying a Hindu place of worship.

Now the group led by the chief priests' & Pandalam royal family members have been arrested, all the while they were just chanting in Ayyappa mantras and were NOT involved in forcing any one from entering. And there is a ceremony planned for tomorrow, in which these two families have a major role to play. Will the communists force them to get involved in the ceremonies? Or get some "commie priests" (like in China) to take over the ceremonies?

From what I can understand;
1. The common Hindus have been able to clearly expose any new "young woman Ayyappa devotee" to be a fake case, using their own past information available in social media. So every believer is now realising the communist agenda better.
2. The communists (perhaps clearly aid and abetted by X'ian evangelical gangs) seems to be willing to adopt any tactic to some how break the traditions at Sabari Mala to show case this as a "social reform".
3. The communists also do NOT seem to understand the intricasies of the roles of the hereditary chief priest, the role (even though limited) of the royal family etc. If the devotee crowd's faith in these two groups are not broken in any way; they can actually use typical "Gandhian" actions like "non-coperation movement", by which the whole problem can be clearly pushed into the lap of communists. Even SNDP an organisation which looked pro-Govt, has now openly said that they are with the devotees.
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Sabari Mala round up.. Today's take away:-
1. BJP and Congress have decided to support the devotees, but would not resort to violence. I heard a press briefing from R.S Surjewala of Congress, talking about giving rights to Kerala PCC to take the Sabari Mala issue as this was an issue have a very high impact at the local state level.
2. The main stream media, including the English ones all seems to be egging the government of Kerala to allow some woman to enter, and reprimanding them for not allowing the entry to happen today.
3. Cr.PC 144 is getting imposed in Sabari Mala and near by areas starting midnight today. With this police would get a clear way to send the pilgrims upto the holy shrine on the hill. Tomorrow, the priests of both Ayyapa shrine at Shabari Mala and that of the female goddess (Malikapurathamma) would be decided. The ceremony involves both the chief priest and the royal family.
4. The chief priest seems to have now made a firm U turn, stating that there is no way the temple can be closed. He did not have a clear answer when people asked what would he do when a young woman is actually visiting the shrine. "We will see when it happens", was his message.
5. Two women tried to visit the shrine today. One was a 40 year old lady from A.P, who decided to go back after she figured out what the protests were for. The second one was a "pure fraud". A woman who declared herself an aetheist (social media says she could be an X'ian) who then said she has become an Ayyapa devotee. When her own social media profiles were used against her, she changed her tune to say that she wanted to see the court order executed. The police then decided to offer her no protection.
6. The state wide harthal tomorrow may only get a luke warm response. And other than the pilgrims themselves ensuring that they don't have any young women in their entourage, chances of young women making an entry is quite possible. Even in the past there has been repeated cases of young women from A.P who come to visit the shrine. I don't why this trend started, as it is known that only men make a visit to this temple. Till last year police used to detain such women at Pampa.
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One old man committed suicide. Its on twitter.
Situation is not healthy.
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ramana wrote:One old man committed suicide. Its on twitter.
Situation is not healthy.
Will not make much impact. Will be considered as a specimen of the old "patriarchal" setup in Kerala. Main stream media can also spin lots of theories to show the man in poor light. Main stream media in Kerala, is fully under control of the communists.
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Mainstream media in Kerala is fellow traveler of Communists.

I read a few prominent people have been arrested under non-bailable warrants.
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Commie govts traditionally exit in the sequence: Vimochana Samaram (Liberation Struggle), teargas, lathicharge, shooting. Plenty of Liberation for school kids coming up? The weather is nice for Samaram.

May be a long and difficult fight. May delay implementation of the SC verdict for a year, or at least until the decision on the MalaArayan Maha Sabha. People may get abused. Beaten. Even killed. Governments may fall, political careers may end and others start up.

But at the end of it all, women of all ages are going to have the right to worship there. The Worshippers need to find some way to adjust and welcome this.
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Nope, I think in the end the Dharma will win (and it must). As of now all the 6 women (or so) or so that have tried to go are all atheist (as per their own declaration), few are not Hindus (in fact a different religion lady declared that she found love for Ayyappa today). It is more to insult and hurt the majority religion's feeling. Many deracinated Hindus (the one Maculay stated while he founded the new education system - people in color Indian, in thoughts English, who hated their own culture and will gladly be slaves) are supporting it.... I would say Maculay succeeded, only that the Raj ended 70 years too soon. Otherwise, we would have had enough people to die for the cause of permanent English rule.
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Suhasini Raj, 46?y/o, New York Times delhi reporter and investigative journalist, native of lucknow has started the 5 km trek from pampa to temple. Police team is following her at safe distance so that no guerilla attacks are attempted on her person by 'pious' devotees.

Looks like this will be the first touchdown. She is accompanied by her male colleague who looks like Jeffrey Gettleman, delhi bureau chief of NYT.

She will most likely reach sannidhanam at 8:30 am IST.
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Time to close the temple. What is a temple without the sanctity and devotees' devotion in it? Only a building with some sculptures.
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Now she is enveloped by team of police and it seems nothing can stop her.
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latest: she was stopped at malakkoottam by miscreants who threatened violence on her and hurling choice abuses at her were hiding in the jungle. Her colleague accompanying her then asked her to retreat from the spot and go back to base.

Poor police preparation to sanitize the route. Looks like state police ia being slack on purpose. Can't sanitize a 5 km jungle trek and how are these people forming groups despite sec144 ??
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Sachin, one question. The Devaswom Board is Commie infested?
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hurling choice abuse on a woman has really endeared the protestors in the eyes of Lord Ayyappa. He is proud of these pilgrims now. If this continues for a few days, then it may be wise to send a request for army or bsf to sanitize the 5km forest. If in any case the army and bsf turn down the requests then maybe some agency like blackwater should be requisitioned by the state govt.

State police seems unwilling to enforce Sec 144. They can be deployed as usual at bus stands or pampa to stand and gawk.
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What locus stand did the woman reporter have other than open provoking ? Was she a devotee of Ayyappa or just wanted to prove a point by going there ? I am sorry to say this, but looks like its the latter (I am willing to apologize if proved otherwise). If so she deserved what she got.

From the link below, which has photographs as well, looks like she was accompanied by a foreigner and didn't observe any vrat. This talk about doing her journalistic duty is IMHO pure lie. She wanted to prove a point and create a ruckus which she managed to. All for 20 minutes of fame! Yuck!

https://english.mathrubhumi.com/news/ke ... -1.3234673
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UlanBatori wrote:But at the end of it all, women of all ages are going to have the right to worship there. The Worshippers need to find some way to adjust and welcome this.
May be you need to stay put in Mongolia.
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Sachin wrote:
4. The chief priest seems to have now made a firm U turn, stating that there is no way the temple can be closed. He did not have a clear answer when people asked what would he do when a young woman is actually visiting the shrine. "We will see when it happens", was his message.
Just read this link. https://english.mathrubhumi.com/news/ke ... -1.3234626
He is just highlighting the practical issues involved, which I agree with.
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Clean shaven Rahul Easwar was seen expressing his bogus standi near pampa. I believe devotees should not shave for 41 days. Suhasini Raj says she is a devotee of ayyappa but has come here to cover the ocassion in her professional capacity.
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arshyam wrote:Time to close the temple. What is a temple without the sanctity and devotees' devotion in it? Only a building with some sculptures.
A big part of me agrees with that, but that's what EJs would want, wouldn't they? What will rejoice them most, A few women entering or temple closing down?
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protestors have a point. Since they all are born to polluting mothers who pollute whatever they touch and do so repeatedly month-after-month their children are free to pollute anything at will as well. Everything works out if one thinks on these lines.
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habal wrote:Clean shaven Rahul Easwar was seen expressing his bogus standi near pampa. I believe devotees should not shave for 41 days. Suhasini Raj says she is a devotee of ayyappa but has come here to cover the ocassion in her professional capacity.
There used to be a time when a devotee could lay their lives for the sake of deity, pity that with fake news comes fake devotees! :P
What is a devotee that does not understand the desires of the deity? Makes nonscience out of everyone onlee! :mrgreen:
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habal wrote:protestors have a point. Since they all are born to polluting mothers who pollute whatever they touch and do so repeatedly month-after-month their children are free to pollute anything at will as well. Everything works out if one thinks on these lines.
It seems protestors can and are speaking for themselves - without someone spilling their polluting minds! :P
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habal wrote:protestors have a point. Since they all are born to polluting mothers who pollute whatever they touch and do so repeatedly month-after-month their children are free to pollute anything at will as well. Everything works out if one thinks on these lines.
You can ignore this personal question, if you wish. Are you a religious Hindu? Because in any Hindu religious household mensturating women keep away from doing any ritual. And a religious Hindu generally have the "faith" to accept any unique restrictions in any Hindu temple which he/she visits. And do you also consider Sabari Mala temple as a public place like a bar or public toilet?
Poor police preparation to sanitize the route. Looks like state police ia being slack on purpose. Can't sanitize a 5 km jungle trek and how are these people forming groups despite sec144 ??
Which again makes me ask you this question :). Are you a Hindu, who has ever been to Sabari Mala? The state police is not being slack on purpose, especially when being commanded by an over-zealous X'ian officer. Sec 144 Cr.PC was imposed in the area, but the District Collector also said that devotees would not be stopped. And from yesterday evening the devotees have started rushing in, and many are on their way. The district collector could have banned the entry of all devotees as well, result would be a good communal riot. Every Ayyappa devotee is coming up based on his faith & belief in the the temple (or else why even go there). So it will be tough for the police to stop the inflow of devotees, clear the trekking route, and then allow some woman to enter. I don't know if you have seen the crowd at Sabari Mala; in the peak season people literally stand for 8 hours in a queue. So Sec.144 Cr.PC, etc will have some limitations.
Suhasini Raj says she is a devotee of ayyappa but has come here to cover the ocassion in her professional capacity.
The biggest trouble makers in Kerala are now the news media and the police force currently deployed at Sabari Mala, commanded by a X'ian police officer. The court has upheld the right for Hindu women devotees, but that does not mean that any body can just walk in to a Hindu holy shrine. What next, enter the Golden Temple at Amritsar without head being covered, and then say "come here to cover the ocassion in my professional capacity". The main stream media wants to see Hinduism as a religion to be targetted, and Kerala society to be polarised. Their active supporters are the Kerala Police now deployed at Sabari Mala.
chandrasekaran wrote:He is just highlighting the practical issues involved, which I agree with.
But the point remains that if a women enters Sabari Mala, he does NOT know what to do next :). For two days no women devotee came in. Media and police tried to get some imposters as devotees, but that backfired. But that may not happen every time.
SSridhar wrote:Sachin, one question. The Devaswom Board is Commie infested?
Yes, it is. The Devaswom Board is supposed to be a neutral body, but every government will generally place the party's "devotees" in the Boards. So when the communist government took over, they forced the previous board members to resign and then place the communist-pasand people out there. The present Devaswom Board President's family are all Ayyappa devotees with strong traditional ties to the shrine. But he is a shameless communist, whose God seems to be the Chief Minister of Kerala.
Karthik S wrote:A big part of me agrees with that, but that's what EJs would want, wouldn't they? What will rejoice them most, A few women entering or temple closing down?
The EJs are there to break down Hinduism, that is an open secret. They would like to see a Hindu temple getting desecrated, as that would demotivate the devotees (who will suspect their own religious beliefs). What the EJs want to achieve quickly, the communists are trying to implement slowly. But what would also happen is that Kerala society would be polarised completely. With the advent of social media etc., the polarisation is really quick to happen. A Sabari Mala desecrated, may only trigger the opening of many Sabari Malas else where.
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Mean while, there is a state wide Harthal in Kerala today.
Hartal commences: Stone pelting at KSRTC buses.
Hartal: Special security arrangements in place at Sabarimala.

Sec. 144 Cr.PC was imposed in the immediate vicinity of Sabari Mala and the base camps at Pampa and Nilakkal; because the protestors were all gathered there. Now what has happened is that protesters have spread to every route through which the pilgrims would be coming in. And during the Harthal vehicles etc. may get checked as well. The Chief Minister also handling the home portfolio is now playing fiddle in UAE (like what Nero did when Rome burnt).
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Sachin wrote:The present Devaswom Board President's family are all Ayyappa devotees with strong traditional ties to the shrine. But he is a shameless communist, whose God seems to be the Chief Minister of Kerala.
First thanks for educating us all on the details. For what it is worth, heard this from old timers - the Devaswom boards and other such entities were setup to ensure the rights of the deity and guarantee the citizen devotees some propriety in terms of temple upkeep and affairs. This is the reason why those old timers in the know suggest that government appointed officials were welcomed to these boards. If such boards are themselves subverted, then they need to be done with and replaced with better systems that can balance the competing interests and address agency issues.
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Pulikeshi wrote:First thanks for educating us all on the details. For what it is worth, heard this from old timers - the Devaswom boards and other such entities were setup to ensure the rights of the deity and guarantee the citizen devotees some propriety in terms of temple upkeep and affairs.
Many of the major temples in Kerala were directly supervised by the Kings (of Cochin & Travancore). When their powers were given to a democratically elected government, the question came as to what would happen to these temples. That is when the Devaswom Boards came into existence. They also had to report to the High Court of Kerala (the judges have to be Hindus), and the board members are nominated by Hindu legislators of the Assembly. But the problem started when communists (who said they were aetheists) were also considered to be Hindus, and their votes also were counted ;). Because of all this the Devaswom Boards could not perform their real job; that is to be a supporting arm of the Hindus in protecting their faith & religion. The communist controlled Devaswom Boards have not even allowed opening of Ved Pathshalas in temple stating that it is spreading RSS ideology.

There were many thoughtful decisions taken by the politicians of yore. Police stations which have big Hindu temples generally have their Inspector and Principal Sub-Inspector to be Hindus. In Sabari Mala also police men deployed for crowd control follow the same rituals/traditions which an Ayyappa devotee would follow. They are allowed to grow a beard, need not wear leather belts & peak caps, and generally remain barefoot. And they are called Police swamis. Now you can see all such practises getting stopped and "secularism" being set in.
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Dont know if it is relevant, but the senior police officer being mentioned here belongs to the Pentecostal denomination and has been known to have anger management issues. Wonder what can go wrong?

Here are a few places that are excluded from a large segment of humanity:
- Mt Kailas is voluntarily made off limits by international mountaineering community
- Mecca's stone is not to be touched by non-muslims
- Attukal Pongala is done only by women
- Malabar's most powerful temple, the Parassanikadavu temple's pooja is done by Madayas who MUST be from a caste considered socially backward

Anyone can claim all these are breach of rights, just like that. But general idea is that all of them pass "dont be evil" test and hence everyone respects that, regardless of what law says.

It is a continuation of the "White Man's burden" that makes a Dilli based legal team to couch it in "Male vs Female rights" and decided to civilize Sabarimala. I really hope the respected Mongol realizes that point. We should not fall for western universalism being happily thrust down our throats, be it this or jallikettu.

If we whistle and applaud at Discovery Channel celebrity-presenters talk about "respecting local traditions", when eating gross food or when watching painful rituals of tribes around world, we should at-least not support those among us, whose main aim is disrespecting local traditions that have zero evil-factor
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btw, this Tripti Desai-mohatarrma: is she kosher to Delhi-based BJP leadership or not? It is a question that is getting a lot of traction here among swing voters and someone needs to clarify.

(Depending on the answer, the vote share will breach the 20% mark by next election)
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Trip to Desai Mohotama fought elections on n INC ticket
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india/tr ... L6OeP.html
Mother of six-year-old Yogiraj, Desai first hogged the headlines in 2008 when she led a motley crowd of women to gherao the then cooperative minister Parangrao Kadam, demanding a probe into alleged financial irregularities at the Ajit Coooperative Bank. So impressed was the minister that he offered Desai a ticket in the next civic elections. Desai took it up and contested as a Congress candidate from Balaji Nagar ward in 2012, but lost. Desai though has not ruled out entering politics in the future.
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hnair wrote:Dont know if it is relevant, but the senior police officer being mentioned here belongs to the Pentecostal denomination and has been known to have anger management issues. Wonder what can go wrong?
The question is is he a police officer first or a Pentacoastal Missionary first :). Even Supreme Court verdict is for allowing women devotees if they come. Where as under this police officer, the police is trying to take even a media crew member to the shrine. Why does a state's police officer need to scout to get a woman who is willing to goto to the hill shrine? I can be wrong but is a missionary zeal which is now seen in the police deployed at Sabari Mala.
We should not fall for western universalism being happily thrust down our throats, be it this or jallikettu.
In the "elite clubs" of Delhi and else where, "secular & progressive" groups and in some uniformed force members, I see the British Officers, their clergy and their news papers in the time of the 1857 Sepoy Mutiny. All these groups were interested to show the right path to the "heathens & barbarians", the Hindu sepoys. It was only when their religions were directly challenged, the sepoys mutinied.
btw, this Tripti Desai-mohatarrma: is she kosher to Delhi-based BJP leadership or not? It is a question that is getting a lot of traction here among swing voters and someone needs to clarify.
The Kerala BJP again has managed to scuttle its own ship. They were initially happy about the verdict, and this may have triggered the thought that Trupthi & BJP are all friends. The Communists & Congress allowed this belief to spread as well. Now that they have deciced to jump into the fray, these issues are popping up. From what I could get from Wikipedia, she contested the 2012 elections for the Pune Municipal Corporation from Balaji Nagar ward as a Congress candidate, but lost.

Mean while.. RSS chief does a volte face, flays SC verdict on Sabarimala. ;) :).

And off course the Kerala communists are now trying to play the standard tactic of upper caste v/s lower caste. Attempts on to make Sabarimala a shrine for higher caste - says Pinarayi Vijayan, Kerala CM.
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Folks, it is not what the mohotarma did in the past (people change parties), but what is she to BJP ,the party? That question is not clear to swing voters here, due to the flip-flops by both state and central leadership. One day, the central leaders welcome the verdict in her favor, next day morning the state leaders too welcome it but by evening, oppose it, when faced with a groundswell of anger

(My low opinion of local leadership has not changed! Neither you nor me posting about her past is not going to help, as long as leaders dont categorically distance themselves from her)
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hnair wrote:(My low opinion of local leadership has not changed! Neither you nor me posting about her past is not going to help, as long as leaders dont categorically distance themselves from her)
Mine as well :). And my main worry being this sloppy leadership damaging the original cause (i.e Sabari Mala traditions to continue) even further :(. Now I see RSS also doing a U turn, and BJP has completely got involved at Sabari Mala. It should be the rights of the Ayyappa devotees which should finally triumph.
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hnair wrote:(My low opinion of local leadership has not changed! )
My opinion and that of many others of center have lowered a lot. Sooner aam yindus realize they stand alone the better. Also, hope the dhimmi, secular yindoos have opened their eyes ATLEAST now and realize we are all in midst of extermination.
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Sachin wrote: . . . But the problem started when communists (who said they were aetheists) were also considered to be Hindus, and their votes also were counted ;). Because of all this the Devaswom Boards could not perform their real job; that is to be a supporting arm of the Hindus in protecting their faith & religion. . . .
Sachin, thanks, as always for your lucid explanation. In the issue you have cited, I see a close parallel to the situation in Tamilnadu.
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I had to dash to NCR for work yesterday.

Isn't it funny that all National Propagandists (aka media) sends women reporters to cover Sabarimala. Every one of them were counting down the minutes to "Gender Justice" till yesterday evening

Isn't it funny that an innocent family including a woman, two oldies and two kids) show up casually, in the midst of the agitation and while the temple is closed. Some investigation into them is needed.

Isn't it funny that a woman who is a declared atheist want to visit Sabarimala and shows up ALL ALONE at the district HQ, requesting protection?
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Dileep wrote:Isn't it funny that all National Propagandists (aka media) sends women reporters to cover Sabarimala. Every one of them were counting down the minutes to "Gender Justice" till yesterday evening
They retained such hopes this morning also when Suhasini Raj decided to make a visit. In this thread also we can see some rejoicing over that move. It is for sure that it is the main stream media in Kerala who is causing social unrest and disharmony.
Isn't it funny that an innocent family including a woman, two oldies and two kids) show up casually, in the midst of the agitation and while the temple is closed. Some investigation into them is needed.
Most likely this would be a "police sponsored" family, who unfortunately was used as guinea pigs. From what I could make out the family was clueless on Sabari mala and none of them were even wearing the mandatory black clothes, wore the beaded necklace etc. Even if they went up, they would not be able to go up via the holy 18 steps (even the man in the team), as he was not wearing the ritual dress etc. And then the temple was closed as well. From what I read, this family has NOT gone back from Pampa. The media is hoping that police would be able to persuade them to make a visit.
Isn't it funny that a woman who is a declared atheist want to visit Sabarimala and shows up ALL ALONE at the district HQ, requesting protection?
This has been the most obvious case that such judgements from the court would be misused by people. It has now come out that this woman (Libi) is a Christian. Her sister is a nun, now working in a different country. She was first an X'ian, then is said to have become atheist. And you should have heard how she said - "I was an atheist till three years back, but now I am an Ayyappa devotee and believe in Thatwamasi & all that". The way she said it was for sure that she was clueless on every thing. And her social media profile trapped her completely. She was abusing Lord Ayyappa. It was when all this was out in the open that the police had to ask her to get lost. In another interview she was heard saying she is now scared to go back home.

Before that there was another woman from Kannur who said she was a "god fearing communist", who used to do the vruth every year. Again social media ditched her. People found from her Facebook profile that last year during the Mandala season she and her hubby comrade were happily eating non-veg food.

One thing I don't understand. For making the visit to Sabari Mala people wear the beaded necklace (which is mandatory) with a Guru Swami (a senior person who have made multiple visits to the shrine). Now no sensible Guru Swami would help a young woman to start wearing the beaded necklace or fill up the Irumudi Kettu (a bundle, having mandatory items to be taken during the pilgrimage) etc. Then how are they saying they would visit the temple as a true devotee?

But it is most certain that the verdict from Hon.SC has been taken as a "license" by very many groups in Kerala (and else where) to target the religious practises at the temple. The main motive is NOT devotion, but to cause harm to the religious feelings of Hindu community in Kerala. The main stream media and GoKL are the main abetters to this.
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habal wrote:Clean shaven Rahul Easwar was seen expressing his bogus standi near pampa. I believe devotees should not shave for 41 days. Suhasini Raj says she is a devotee of ayyappa but has come here to cover the ocassion in her professional capacity.
You will find the NY times wherever and whenever anti Hindu propaganda is afoot.

With a name like suhasini raj, there are very bright chances of her not being a Hindu but being a crypto.

how and why is it that guys like rahul easwar always turn out to be termites, hollowing out the edifice from within??
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