Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby sudarshan » 21 Jan 2019 19:53

Seems like a big mobilization.

Edit: Removed some sensitive material. Sorry, Lilo ji, was just responding to Karan M's post, and I guess it went off on an unnecessary tangent.
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Postby Lilo » 21 Jan 2019 20:34

WE must not drag the discussion towards totally unrelated caste specific discrimination practiced in other temples which is all old history and the Hindu society had the vivekam to reform itself to rightfully consign such practices in these temples to the dustbin where they belong.
Infact this is exactly what the BIF wants - to equate Sabarimala's desecration with bloody sanitary napkins intentionally carried by commie feminists to the admirable temple reentry movements of the past - which every avg Hindu irrespective of caste is rightfully proud of.

Infact the nature of Sabarimala pilgrimage is totally against casteism .. Even if the busybodies at SC/ST Commission may bluff and lie through their teeth while issuing notices claiming that the purification ritual is because of SC caste status of women - every devotee of Lord Ayyappa will know that the pilgrimage/temple is not even a iota concerned about caste and the purification ritual is to specifically cleanse the defilement of the temple caused by the bloody sanitary napkins,the two women commie feminists triumphantly brought into the temple with Kerala police protection.

Sabarimala pilgrimage is a great unifier of Hindus in South India where devotees irrespective of caste and class move together for several weeks year after year in their devotion to the Lord.

Below quoted is an old post on the same aspect.
Lilo wrote:A truly sad outcome for Hindu society at large... if this is allowed to pass.

Putting Ayyappa mala while immediately symbolized that a man has undertaken a vow of austerities (no nonveg,no hex,no alcohol/cigs,early morning cold baths and washing ,sleeping on hard surfaces, not wearing any foot protectors etc etc while dedicating himself to the Lord) also implied that the person became a nameless Swami having temporarily given up his identity - he gave up his caste or sectarian connections even his class status didnt matter through out the period.
Therefore the Swamis of all castes/classes/backgrounds equally and freely mingled, even became friends while moving together in Ayyappa bhajans/gatherings ,communal worshipping ,making the long distance trip to Sabarimalai in common transport shared food and accommodation,while pulling up each other throughout the period of austerities etc.

It is truly a tradition worthy of finding the pride of place in the Hindu society riven with casteism especially as seen in the telugu states.
It is a tradition which unites Hindu men across caste/class and made the unity of Hindus stronger in southindia ravaged by EJs and Jihadis and the uber sikular state govts ruling the roost.

Now that the women have been artificially injected into the equation by Supreme Court one can easily imagine what the outcome will be - a rare casteless classless devotional mobilisation of Hindus transcending the otherwise wide chasms of caste/class/agegroups & professions - will now at best turn into a family affair (limited to the interested family/extended family members - with a big "outsiders" not allowed sign implied) or at worst turn into something far uglier with the fights over women and attendant showoff activities amongst men and token devotionalism.

How can the vow of celibacy etc and the general detachment be maintained in this period when men are compelled by primal instincts to again relapse into groupism and tribalism due to the presence of women?

The BIF has the knack of identifying the key elements which unite Bharat and targeting them via a willing Supreme Court - i dont think Hindus/PIF must give them a walkover .

https://bharatganrajya.com/viewtopic.ph ... ala#p14273


Edited my post Sudarshan ji
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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby sudarshan » 21 Jan 2019 20:38

Lilo ji, you might want to edit your post as well. I did think twice before posting that, guess I should have thought thrice :). Nothing wrong with what I posted, just that, as you pointed out, it would be counter-productive in this particular thread.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby Prem » 22 Jan 2019 03:33

https://twitter.com/KapilMishra_IND/sta ... 9338896385
Today Thousands of Hindu women have come together in Delhi in solidarity with #Sabrimala

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby ramana » 22 Jan 2019 11:33

https://twitter.com/PartyVillage017/sta ... 18701?s=19


They are NOT ON TWITTER

Of the 300 RSS men assigned to guard #Sabarimala during the last 4 days, 90 were fishermen from Kozhikode.
These poor men would stay at the temple the whole day, climb down to base camp at night and then trek up the mountain the next day. Every day.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby Dileep » 22 Jan 2019 16:40

Every day, there was nama japam at sannidhanam. Janam TV used to cover it live, ending it with live feed of Harivarasanam. All the 'guard' people were there, along with aam-swamis, malikappurams and young manikandans.

Every day myself and SHQ watched it (well, almost every day, unless some pressing event interfered). I prayed for the well being of these selfless folk and for the security of the sannidhanam. I am proud to see that they were successful, set back once only by pure deception by the govt.

At the end of the season, the last ritual was 'guruthi' the 'simulated blood sacrifice' to the guarding spirits of the temple. We watched it live, and the physical guards were always in my thoughts.

We owe them.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby Prasad » 23 Jan 2019 11:32

Here is some :(( :(( from teh Devaswom board https://www.dinamalar.com/news_detail.asp?id=2197323
'சபரிமலை தேவசம்போர்டுக்கு 10 கோடி ரூபாய்க்கு மேல் நஷ்டம் ஏற்பட்டுள்ளது,'' என அதன் தலைவர் பத்மகுமார் கூறினார்.

திருவனந்தபுரத்தில் அவர் கூறியதாவது:சபரிமலையில் வருமானம் கணிசமாக குறைந்துள்ளது. குத்தகைதாரர்கள் பணம் செலுத்தாவிட்டால் 100 கோடி ரூபாய்க்கும் அதிகமாக நஷ்டம் ஏற்படும்

They're staring at 100cr losses if the contractors default. 10 Cr+ losses sustained already.

Buuuut, heres the kicker
தேவசம்போர்டு திண்டாடும் போது, கேரள அரசு போக்குவரத்துக்கழகம் கடந்த ஆண்டை விட மூன்று மடங்கு அதிக வருமானம் ஈட்டியுள்ளது. மண்டலகாலம், மகர விளக்கு பூஜையின் போது மொத்த வருமானம் 45.20 கோடி ரூபாய். கடந்த ஆண்டு இது 15.20 கோடி ரூபாயாக இருந்தது. நிலக்கல்-- பம்பை பஸ் சேவையில் மட்டும் 31.20 கோடி ரூபாய் கிடைத்துள்ளது.தொலைதுார பஸ்கள் மூலம் 14 கோடி ரூபாய் கிடைத்துள்ளது. இந்த ஆண்டில் தனியார் வாகனங்கள் நிலக்கல் வரை மட்டும் அனுமதிக்கப்பட்டன. இதனால் அனைத்து பக்தர்களும் பம்பைக்கு அரசு பஸ்சில் செல்ல வேண்டிய நிலை ஏற்பட்டது.


While the devaswom board is struggling, the state transport corp has tripled its revenue from 15.2cr last year to 45.2cr this year. They restricted private vehicles to only Nilakkal and mandating govt bus use further on. Outright thievery.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby chetak » 23 Jan 2019 11:52

Kanaka Durga seeks refuge in shelter home: Family of woman who entered Sabarimala disowns her days after attack by mum-in-law


Kanaka Durga seeks refuge in shelter home: Family of woman who entered Sabarimala disowns her days after attack by mum-in-law


Jan 23, 2019

Kanaka Durga, one of the women who created history by entering the Sabarimala Ayyappa temple after the 29 September Supreme Court order, has been taken to a shelter home by the police after being 'disowned' by her family, according to several media reports.

As per a report by The News Minute, Durga has been taken to the One Stop Centre in Perinthalmana run by the Social Justice Department on Tuesday after her husband and brother declared she won't be allowed to enter their homes. Her brother Bharat Bhushan — an RSS worker — alleged that the CPM and Kerala Police conspired to take Durga into the temple. He added that Durga would be allowed to return home only if she made a public apology to Ayyappa devotees and the Hindu community, The News Minute.

Perinthalmanna circle inspector TS Binu told The New Indian Express Durga has been given adequate security at the shelter home. Led by Perinthalmanna sub-inspector PS Manjith Lal, a 10-member police team has been deployed at the locality, The New Indian Express reported.

Durga was hospitalised on 15 January after she suffered injuries on her head and ear following the alleged beating by her mother-in-law. The 44-year-old approached Perinthalmanna police on Monday after she left the hospital from where she was taken to the nearby One Stop Centre. Earlier, the Supreme Court had ordered around the clock security to Durga and Bindu Ammini, the other woman of menstruating age who entered Sabarimala. Durga and Bindu offered prayers at Sabarimala temple on 2 January. However, according to reports, Durga's family was not aware of her plan to visit the hill shrine.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby Sachin » 23 Jan 2019 13:17

Prasad wrote:They're staring at 100cr losses if the contractors default. 10 Cr+ losses sustained already.

While the devaswom board is struggling, the state transport corp has tripled its revenue from 15.2cr last year to 45.2cr this year. They restricted private vehicles to only Nilakkal and mandating govt bus use further on. Outright thievery.

The Travancore Devaswom Board actually deserves the treatment which it got this time. Please note, the Sabari Mala region is still in a mess after the floods of last year. The area is not completely restored. If they have not tried their "communist shady tricks", with the pilgrim's donation itself they could have generated the funds to bring back this ecogologically sensitive zone to its old form. But this time the funds received are less, GoKL's financial position is also not that great (which rampant misuse of funds also happening). GoKL and TDB can only be asked to mend their ways by squeezing their ball$ - i.e money. Two days back the Chief Minister was asking for some clearence to get an airport built near Sabari Mala (destorying forests & hills; off course).

GoKL plans to make Sabari Mala a Tirupathi of Kerala, open 365 days a year, entry for all and sundry and easy access (including via air). This seems to be some forethinking as the state does not have big revenue schemes. There is a limit of revenue which can be got by selling liquor and lottery. Stringent monitoring of financial deals across India have also messed up the old Hawala/Gelf money channels as well. So if they can come up with a scheme to exploit the faith system of Hindus, why not go ahead and do it?

Ke.SRTC may have made some money by ripping of pilgrims, but as we say in Malayalam "money made by theft, will never last long". Ke.SRTC is in a huge financial mess with its loss running into crores of rupees. The loot from Sabari Mala will not be able to cover that. The staff are one of the most belligerent and laziest ones seen in Kerala. The Ke.SRTC is also over staffed with even DA & pensions not being given out on time. And to add to it; Kerala High Court dismissed a large amount of temporary staff ("empanneled staff" in Ke.SRTC lingo) overnight. These folks were working on "daily wage" basis, mainly as conductors & drivers. Being contract labours, none of the facilities (like P.F, Pension, Gratuity) were available for them. High Court asked all such people to be moved out and the positions to be filled up with candidates who are in the PSC rank list for these posts. For Ke.SRTC the problem is that candidates from PSC rank list would be taken in as permenant employees; i.e higher pay scales, statutory contributions like PF, Pension & Gratuity and most likely the new comers would soon continue the pathetic work culture of Ke.SRTC.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby Arima » 23 Jan 2019 19:12

Lilo wrote:WE must not drag the discussion towards totally unrelated caste specific discrimination practiced in other temples which is all old history and the Hindu society had the vivekam to reform itself to rightfully consign such practices in these temples to the dustbin where they belong.
Infact this is exactly what the BIF wants - to equate Sabarimala's desecration with bloody sanitary napkins intentionally carried by commie feminists to the admirable temple reentry movements of the past - which every avg Hindu irrespective of caste is rightfully proud of.

Infact the nature of Sabarimala pilgrimage is totally against casteism .. Even if the busybodies at SC/ST Commission may bluff and lie through their teeth while issuing notices claiming that the purification ritual is because of SC caste status of women - every devotee of Lord Ayyappa will know that the pilgrimage/temple is not even a iota concerned about caste and the purification ritual is to specifically cleanse the defilement of the temple caused by the bloody sanitary napkins,the two women commie feminists triumphantly brought into the temple with Kerala police protection.

Sabarimala pilgrimage is a great unifier of Hindus in South India where devotees irrespective of caste and class move together for several weeks year after year in their devotion to the Lord.

Below quoted is an old post on the same aspect.


Edited my post Sudarshan ji


pilgrims have no caste barrier that is known. what about temple priest??

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby chetak » 23 Jan 2019 22:01

this is interesting,

looks like the fall out of the commie duplicity.


Reality Is ‘No Cheque’: Nearly Half Of All Instruments, In Value Terms, Sent To Kerala CM’s Relief Fund Dishonoured

Reality Is ‘No Cheque’: Nearly Half Of All Instruments, In Value Terms, Sent To Kerala CM’s Relief Fund Dishonoured

About half the cheques and demand drafts (in value terms) sent to the Kerala Chief Minister's Distress Relief Fund (CMDRF) following the mid-August floods have been dishonoured by banks, Indian Express has reported.

Kerala Chief Minister Pinarayi Vijayan, in a reply to an unstarred question raised by Kasargod legislator NA Nellikkunnu in the Assembly, said the CMDRF received cheques and DDs worth Rs 7.46 crore till 30 November. Of that, 395 cheques and DDs worth Rs 3.26 crore were dishonoured at banks, he said.

Nellikunnu was cited in the report as saying that many persons and organisations issued cheques to get 15 minutes of fame during the floods. “The high number of dishonoured cheques proves there were many out there vying for publicity during the floods,” Nellikkunnu said.

According to the report, the CMDRF, however, received a total of Rs 2,797.67 crore till 30 November 2018 with most of the money coming in cash. Of the total received donation, Rs 260.45 crore came through online transfer while Rs 2,537.22 crore was paid in cash, cheque and DD. On the expenditure, he said Rs 457.23 crore was spent as contingency aid during the floods.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby ramana » 24 Jan 2019 01:36

Arima, would you clarify what your question means?

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Postby nachiket » 24 Jan 2019 05:16

Arima wrote:pilgrims have no caste barrier that is known. what about temple priest??

And how exactly is that relevant to the Sabarimala discussion?

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Postby Dileep » 24 Jan 2019 07:49

I think I know where Arima is going.

Priesthood of temples had been the monopoly of the 'Nampoothiri' brahmins in Kerala. The primary reason is the need to do daily rituals to keep the priest in proper physical and spiritual state. Tamil brahmins are not considered qualified enough (because their rituals are not considered 'orthodox'). Tulu brahmins are accepted, so was Andhra brahmins.

The 'daily ritual' means the two 'sandhya vandanams' and the 'worship of personal deities'. Those are the halmark of brahman and qualification for being a priest in the tantric worship system. sA person gets eligibility to do the daily rituals after the 'samsakra' of upanayanam. Even someone born to 'brahman' parents will get the right only after 'upanayanam'.

There are non tantric temples, where other castes were priests. Kodungalloor temple have 'adikal' subcaste. Some other temples have Nairs.

Sree Narayana Guru installed a number of temples and created the system for priests from Ezhava caste. Those 'santhi' priests did not wear the thread and do the 'sandhya vandanam' till recently. Now, they go through formal 'upanayanam', wear the thread and (hopefully) do the daily rituals.

Today, there are training schools that accept students irrespective of caste and put them thru the 'samsakras' and make turn them into priests. This is a seven year course. Those who pass muster are hired into DB temples. I personally like that idea, because many of the 'born as brahmin' boys get 'on job training' and have no clue on many things. These formally trained guys will have seven year rigorous training.

Currently, the Sabarimala head priest is selected for one year term through a process. The qualification used to be 'born as brahmin' but that will change soon. I welcome that move. As long as the person went through the 'samskaras' and trained well, anyone can be priest.

The position of 'chief priest' is hereditary with the Thazahmon family. That will remain the same, come what hills upturned by the commies.

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Postby Kashi » 24 Jan 2019 07:57

Dileep wrote:The position of 'chief priest' is hereditary with the Thazahmon family. That will remain the same, come what hills upturned by the commies.


Won't be surprised to see that being the next target of the BIF.

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Postby Arima » 27 Jan 2019 02:30

Dileep has detailed the points neatly. any hindu irrespective of caste should be given chance to become priest. it would be unfair to stop them from being just followers with no right to offer pooja.

between, Dileep point makes sense how Telugu family become priest now which Kerala CM pointed out when this issue broke out.

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Postby pandyan » 27 Jan 2019 05:12

Ayyanar temples/Karuppanna swamy temples are taken care of by local priests. They have their own rituals.

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Postby Dileep » 27 Jan 2019 07:30

The "caste" is actually "occupation". In the long past when formal occupational education/training was family/community based, it was de facto hereditary.

Ever heard gora last names "shoemaker", "smith", "cartwright" etc?

Like any profession, priests should have the proper education, training, and continual maintenance of lifestyle. That is how you maintain "caste".

Sometime in the 80s, there was a move to bring in priests who are not born into the job. But it was done typical commie way (worship is illogical, so anyone can do it) without proper education and training. It failed miserably when these "priests" were caught doing 'un priestly things' by the people. I read the story of only one guy surviving with the profession. This was remedied by the priest's community themselves by establishing the training institutions where the 7 year residential course is conducted.

I was born into the "caste" of soldiers but by choice I am a "viswakarma" now.

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Postby chetak » 27 Jan 2019 13:03

Dileep wrote:The "caste" is actually "occupation". In the long past when formal occupational education/training was family/community based, it was de facto hereditary.

Ever heard gora last names "shoemaker", "smith", "cartwright" etc?

Like any profession, priests should have the proper education, training, and continual maintenance of lifestyle. That is how you maintain "caste".

Sometime in the 80s, there was a move to bring in priests who are not born into the job. But it was done typical commie way (worship is illogical, so anyone can do it) without proper education and training. It failed miserably when these "priests" were caught doing 'un priestly things' by the people. I read the story of only one guy surviving with the profession. This was remedied by the priest's community themselves by establishing the training institutions where the 7 year residential course is conducted.

I was born into the "caste" of soldiers but by choice I am a "viswakarma" now.


the goras had a "guild" system which had a very restricted entry and was mostly limited to the family and/or hereditary professions. Membership to such guilds was jealously guarded, highly regulated and very strictly controlled.

we had a somewhat similar system, one that was much more easy going and this was wantonly converted to a "caste" system to purposely and callously perpetuate a divisive myth that was both alienating and disruptive.

we continue to fall for this cunningly conceived false concept to this very day.

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Postby Dileep » 27 Jan 2019 13:37

Well, I do not subscribe to the "british made caste" concept. It was very much there in our society even before British. There is plenty of evidence in literature written before British.

I was born in a village among the foothills near the northern border of Travancore. This place had practically no foreign influence ever. Caste was very much a reality then among all strata of society, and even not to some extent.

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Postby Karthik S » 27 Jan 2019 13:59

Dileep wrote:Well, I do not subscribe to the "british made caste" concept. It was very much there in our society even before British. There is plenty of evidence in literature written before British.

I was born in a village among the foothills near the northern border of Travancore. This place had practically no foreign influence ever. Caste was very much a reality then among all strata of society, and even not to some extent.


Well there's a difference between 'jati' and 'caste'. Jati is very much part of our society, it just division of labor, duties. Caste is an European concept of hierarchy of people in a society. IIRC, the word caste itself comes from a Spanish word.

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Postby pandyan » 27 Jan 2019 17:39

People who are dedicated to becoming can become temple priests irrespective of their background. Several mutts offer training and eventually depute them to manage temples. They also have rotation concept for new priests who go to established temples as assistant priests and gradually build experience.

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Postby Dileep » 27 Jan 2019 17:43

Hmm... I also see that there is a difference between 'thakkali' and 'tomato'. 'thakkali' is very much part of our food culture, being the tangy ingredient in curries such as sambar and rasam. tomato is a european vegetable that is used to make ketchups.

And did you know that the Cows in India (Bos Indicus) is a different species altogether from the cows in Europe (Bos Taurus). However, "bullshit" means the same in english language everywhere onlee.

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Postby sudarshan » 27 Jan 2019 20:25

Dileep wrote:Hmm... I also see that there is a difference between 'thakkali' and 'tomato'. 'thakkali' is very much part of our food culture, being the tangy ingredient in curries such as sambar and rasam. tomato is a european vegetable that is used to make ketchups.

And did you know that the Cows in India (Bos Indicus) is a different species altogether from the cows in Europe (Bos Taurus). However, "bullshit" means the same in english language everywhere onlee.


I edited my post and deleted some sensitive matter just to avoid bringing in this caste angle into this thread. Isn't there some other thread where this discussion can go on? I can also post there if so.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby krisna » 27 Jan 2019 22:57

Dileep wrote:Well, I do not subscribe to the "british made caste" concept. It was very much there in our society even before British. There is plenty of evidence in literature written before British.

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1) caste as we know now is entirely european product thrust on India esp Hindus. we bear the cross for it and insults.
2) we only had Jati and Gotra etc . No castes.
3) No plenty of evidence of literature in India pre Europeans.

many of the evidence were manufactured by missionaries thru letters and articles . many in Europe had access to these thru missionary propaganda. There were no refutations or contrary evidence in europe against this . Unfortunately many Indians who learnt English and not local language fell for this and punblish the same european propanganda. Hence became part of Indian sources saying we also had castes pre british era.


example- Christian missionaries everywhere tried to convert peoples. They succeeded everywhere except India which was very resistant. Their mode of operation was -1) Hindus had no religion-pagans and idolaters 2) Immorality of Hindus- they manufactured evidence for this.

Immorality became the tool as Hindus did not convert easily. hence their way if life had to be falsified and create an aversion to their own culture.

Example wrt Kerala-- a christian famous missionaries like Varthema etc said that Keralite brahmins and others were immoral. They offered wives for s*x with everyone including guests. they were devils and idolaters. many others wrote the same and similar vein.

Even today many western authors simply quote these people and make cursory mention without checking if it true or not. They create the mytrhs and we fall for it.

2) nangeli Breast tax-- No such thing existed in India or kerala. But this myth was invented and propagated - Now leftists propagate it.

I can quite plenty of such stuff. it is present if one searches well.

All bad about kerala came out in the last 2-300 years. carefully searching for the evidence is very interesting. How it came out.

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I was born in a village among the foothills near the northern border of Travancore. This place had practically no foreign influence ever. Caste was very much a reality then among all strata of society, and even not to some extent


read about british census system and caste.
By 1921 virtually every Indian(hindu muslim christian) were classified into caste and hardwired into it by birth. This caste system was put into practice during 1850s onwards. Before this there was period of intense debates in europe on how to convert Indians. How to reform them and change their habits and culture. This occured over 100 years+ or more. there were 2 schools of thought- one was using european stuff and other was use local culture and subvert form inside. Some indians advocated using English(for different reasons) which made job little easier for eurpeans(british). Both wanted conversions only the methods differed. Macualay group sort of won majority of support. Rets is history. sanskrit and veda patashalas were discrarded. Brahmins villification was continued. divisions of Indians contiued with caste. internal fissures worsened. Cut of econmic support destroyed economy. supported english speaking indians etc gave more wages to them. reduced and made penury those who read locla languages incluidng sanskrit. created zamindari system who were local goondas thieves and looters who created inhuman practices and caused immense hardships to local villagers. Everything got termed as "caste atrocities".
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will be OT . will stop here.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby krisna » 27 Jan 2019 23:16

^^^^
The torch bearers of the above are done by our own Indians who are bereft of culture. esp leftists and others.
They are the spear with sharp edge piercing the Hindus.

The handle is made by christian missionaries and Europeans(non missionaries types). They support the spear which is leftists.

Now non Indians/non Hindus simply watch and have fun.
They support monetarily thru various NGOs file PILs etc etc
Recall sabarimala PIL how it was done.
recall Deepavali despite scant evidence of the crackers causing worsening pollution.
Jallikattu kambala in TN and Karnataka etc , Dahi pandals, Ganesh fetsivals and many others.

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Postby Dileep » 28 Jan 2019 07:42

This discussion is OT here. Let us close it as "there is no discrimination among the devotees, except the well known restriction for women between the age of 10-50. The priesthood is also open to those who completed the required training irrespective of family of birth. The position of the 'chief priest' (thantri) is hereditary."

EOD.

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Postby nachiket » 29 Jan 2019 02:35

^^Second that. Discussion of caste system and its history in India is not germane to this thread. Which is why I asked the poster who tried to bring that in why it was relevant here. Please desist from any caste related discussions and stick to Kerala floods and Sabarimala issues.

Any further posts about caste system will be deleted.

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Postby ShyamSP » 30 Jan 2019 00:59

krisna wrote:^^^^
The torch bearers of the above are done by our own Indians who are bereft of culture. esp leftists and others.
They are the spear with sharp edge piercing the Hindus.

The handle is made by christian missionaries and Europeans(non missionaries types). They support the spear which is leftists.

Now non Indians/non Hindus simply watch and have fun.
They support monetarily thru various NGOs file PILs etc etc
Recall sabarimala PIL how it was done.
recall Deepavali despite scant evidence of the crackers causing worsening pollution.
Jallikattu kambala in TN and Karnataka etc , Dahi pandals, Ganesh fetsivals and many others.


New thing PIL by a paid pimp on prayer songs in KV schools.

Some one put argument since government control Hindu temples, they are obligated to promote prayers also. If you don't want in KV, get out of our temples too.

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this may be psyops seeing the reaction of the Hindus and the possible effect on the vote bank for the coming elections

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Postby Dileep » 05 Feb 2019 12:43

^^ Absolutely. Now, all it remains from the playbook is for PeeWee to do about turn and deny it.

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Postby chetak » 05 Feb 2019 12:49

Dileep wrote:^^ Absolutely. Now, all it remains from the playbook is for PeeWee to do about turn and deny it.


let us wait and see.

The Hindus are genetically and civilizationally predisposed to be fooled over and over again, the fatal prithviraj syndrome.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby Sachin » 05 Feb 2019 20:29

Dileep wrote:GoKL does a downhill ski

chetak wrote:this may be psyops seeing the reaction of the Hindus and the possible effect on the vote bank for the coming elections

I am coining a new phrase here "Spot a commie and a cobra first, kill the commie first and then worry about the cobra" ;). The present CPI(M) folks in GoKL are the most wilest and cultureless loss I have ever seen. There have been crass communists, and there have been some smart ones who had a civilised outlook. But this lot is the worst.

The Devaswom Board minister said what he said in the legislative assembly because all what he says there is on record. If he lies that may lead to further complications, and if he give incorrect figures the opposition would ask for evidences. So the only option; like a typical commie cook up some story to escape for the time being (Taquiya system adopted).

Yes, it was difficult for women to trek up the shrine and except the two who was abetted by the police the others could not have made it. None of the "activists" could show their tricks. And at the worst there can only be a few border line cases; but looks like pretty much every devotee knows when to go and when not to go.

So all said and done, I would not trust this government for doing any thing honestly (not only at Sabari Mala, but in any official activity). They are "mentally poor" & unethical people who are trying to live life king's size because this is the only chance they get. See the craze of these people to go on world tours begging for money, and even giving cooked up bills for medical reimbursements.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 05 Feb 2019 21:13

chetak wrote:


this may be psyops seeing the reaction of the Hindus and the possible effect on the vote bank for the coming elections

exactly, this is all election and deflection strategy.

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Postby disha » 05 Feb 2019 21:34

Sachin wrote:I am coining a new phrase here "Spot a commie and a cobra first, kill the commie first and then worry about the cobra" ;).


You may not have to worry about Cobra. Cobra may be your friend! Eating up rats and mice and other vermin.

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Postby Dileep » 05 Feb 2019 21:46

The bunch of cases connected to the review petition will come at the constitution bench tomorrow 1030 Hrs.

I had been mostly wrong in my predictions n BRF before, so venturing one.

1. No stay for judgement.
2. No sanction to "delay implementation" as sought by TDB.
3. Govt admonished for going overboard with "implementation" like taking women in disguise.
4. Gives directions to GoKL to keep precise equality and not to do anything special for women. May even go to the extent to give specific instructions like maximum 2 pandus for security per person or something like that.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby Prasad » 05 Feb 2019 21:59

Sabarimalai gets the eyeballs. But there is another case going on right now - Thiruvananthapuram Padmanabhaswamy kovil case

https://twitter.com/People4Dharma/statu ... 9706089474

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby Sachin » 06 Feb 2019 13:49

Dileep wrote:The bunch of cases connected to the review petition will come at the constitution bench tomorrow 1030 Hrs.

As I said never trust a communist. The communist GoKL has again said that this is about gender equality and the review petitions should be dismissed. This is when they say "they are with the devotees". The hearing of all the lawyers have been completed, and the court is to reconvene in the afternoon.
Came back to say: The custodians of Hindu temples in Kerala, the Devaswom Board also agrees with GoKL. So best of luck to Hindus who trust the custodians.

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Re: Kerala Floods - Aftermath and Save Sabarimala

Postby Sachin » 06 Feb 2019 15:18

Updates as 1500Hrs today. The arguments on review petitions and few other petitions are now over. Rest of the arguments to be submitted in writing in next 7 days. No verdict today. So the old verdict still stands; which means more trouble when the temple reopens in a few days time.


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