Pedophilia/Pederasty/Infidelity Crisis in the Roman Catholic Organization

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Postby UlanBatori » 12 Sep 2018 03:02

Mantri-e-Malloostan has his ass in hot water after sneering at said Nun claiming that if she got sex 13 times she is no "Kanya Stri" (virgin woman) but a prostitute. Several ppl are signing their letters "Prostitute (their name)" in protest.

Doesn't India have the equivalent of an Eff Bee Eye that takes over if local State Polis is too corrupt/too dhimmified by Police Mantri==Chief Mantri, to pursue a case and arrest the buggers? (no pun intended)

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Postby Peregrine » 12 Sep 2018 21:35

Kerala MLA PC George withdraws prostitute' remark against nun, refuses to regret - Jaikrishnan Nair

KOTTAYAM: Kerala MLA P C George has said that he is withdrawing the “prostitute” remark which he made about the nun who had lodged a complaint of sexual abuse against Jalandhar Bishop Franco Mulakkal. Speaking to TOI on Wednesday, George said that he is only withdrawing the word and the rest of the remarks made in the press conference remains the same.

"I have no regret about passing such a comment. But I am withdrawing the word as it was not right to use the word. But I am reaffirming the rest of the remarks made in that press conference,” he said. “I don’t consider her a nun and also want an investigation about the financial sources of the brother and family of the nun,” he reiterated.

George had crossed all limits as he went on to insult the victim nun and the other nuns who took part in the sit-in protest in Kochi. In a press meet here on Saturday, the MLA questioned the moral side of the nun. Is there any doubt that the nun is a prostitute? asked George to the reporters. “12 times she enjoyed. The 13th time it became rape. Why she didn’t complain in the first time,”

He said that the victim nun is not eligible to be a nun as she has ceased to be a virgin the day she was abused for the first time. He also questioned the morality of the nuns who protested in Kochi. He had said that if the nuns are subjected to medical examination, one can know "how many of them are chaste".

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Postby A_Gupta » 13 Sep 2018 17:37

Pope to meet US Bishops in Rome over sex abuse (audio item)
https://www.wnyc.org/story/pope-meets-u ... -sex-abuse

Posting here because the item mentions that the Church used to claim that the sex abuse problem that became highlighted after the Boston scandal of years ago was a problem peculiar to America. But scandals have erupted in Chile, France, Australia, and "yesterday" in Germany it was reported that some 1700 clerics abused 4000 minors over a period of 7 years.

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Postby Haresh » 13 Sep 2018 21:38

Is it not possible for the Government/Immigration authorities in India to demand that before a Xtian missionary/pastor/priest from outside of the country is allowed in, that they must produce a official letter from the Police/church authority in their Home country that they have never been investigated/suspected/convicted or anyone in their church/group for sex offences?

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Postby SBajwa » 13 Sep 2018 22:00

My son joined Boys scout when he was 8. I took him to few camps. Then I heard about how close Boys and girls scout are with Catholic churches and with all the pedophilia going on. I took him out when he was 10.

Regarding dealing with evangelism I tell them that We are Dharmic people and for us Jesus is just like Guru Nanak dev aka a Guru aka a Teacher from whom we must learn and follow.

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Postby chetak » 14 Sep 2018 00:46

Peregrine wrote:Kerala MLA PC George withdraws prostitute' remark against nun, refuses to regret - Jaikrishnan Nair

KOTTAYAM: Kerala MLA P C George has said that he is withdrawing the “prostitute” remark which he made about the nun who had lodged a complaint of sexual abuse against Jalandhar Bishop Franco Mulakkal. Speaking to TOI on Wednesday, George said that he is only withdrawing the word and the rest of the remarks made in the press conference remains the same.

"I have no regret about passing such a comment. But I am withdrawing the word as it was not right to use the word. But I am reaffirming the rest of the remarks made in that press conference,” he said. “I don’t consider her a nun and also want an investigation about the financial sources of the brother and family of the nun,” he reiterated.

George had crossed all limits as he went on to insult the victim nun and the other nuns who took part in the sit-in protest in Kochi. In a press meet here on Saturday, the MLA questioned the moral side of the nun. Is there any doubt that the nun is a prostitute? asked George to the reporters. “12 times she enjoyed. The 13th time it became rape. Why she didn’t complain in the first time,”

He said that the victim nun is not eligible to be a nun as she has ceased to be a virgin the day she was abused for the first time. He also questioned the morality of the nuns who protested in Kochi. He had said that if the nuns are subjected to medical examination, one can know "how many of them are chaste".

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By a similar logic, did the bishop not cease to be a bishop from the day of his first encounter which must have been long, long before the one that he has now been accused of??

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Postby A_Gupta » 14 Sep 2018 22:45

https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... is/570208/
The Sex-Abuse Scandal Is Growing Faster Than the Church Can Contain It
The Catholic world is struggling to absorb a week of new revelations and resignations.

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Postby Philip » 15 Sep 2018 10:04

The disgusting male chauvinism displayed by politicos in this instance, degrading nuns in such a gross indecent manner, and the attitude of the clergy closing ranks before a proper investigation has been conducted, reminds me of the the followers of the Dera Sacha Saudha trickster and sexual abuser who fell from grace.

Like the cardinal of Oz, who was also accused of abuses and resigned leaving the Vatican to fight his case in the courts, the bishop is Q would do well to follow his superior's example if he is truly innocent! Just because the nun in Q is seen in pics with the bishop does not mean that he is innocent...or guilty,or that she is makinb false allegations, but compelling evidence that he " knew her well".The Q on everyone's mind is whether he " knew her" well in the Biblical sense! :D

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Postby Sachin » 15 Sep 2018 11:19

Philip wrote:The disgusting male chauvinism displayed by politicos in this instance, degrading nuns in such a gross indecent manner, and the attitude of the clergy closing ranks before a proper investigation has been conducted, reminds me of the the followers of the Dera Sacha Saudha trickster and sexual abuser who fell from grace.

The drama of both Kerala Govt and Kerala Police in the nun v/s bishop case is now even irritating many Christians who wish to keep their religion in their homes. The recent cases against the clergy have clearly exposed them as a "power group" and "manipulators" who now have the clout to even interfere in the workings of a democratically elected government. We must also understand that how "information sharing" has now changed big time in India. Social media in KL is quite active on highlighting one fact; The "communal" governments of BJP in North India did not have any pangs to execute the arrest of Hindu & Sikh saints (?) like Asharam Bapu and Dera Sacha Sauda chief. It is the "secular communist atheist" government of KL which is pi$$ing in its pants when it comes to arresting a Bishop.

Murders involving clergy men were not really uncommon in Kerala. There was a case way back in 1966, in which the priest accused of murder was acquited of the crime. He was even given a Sainthood. The Jolly murder case of 1984 was another major scandal at that time. The accused was a priest from the Orthodox sect, and he was punished by the courts. Then there was the case of Fr. Anthony Lazar using hired goons to murder a Marykutty with whom he had an affair. He too was prosecuted and given a life sentence. It was the Abhaya Case which happened way back in 1992, which started changing the narratives. That case still has not got any where. Mainly because even in the initial stages the powerful clergy had managed to scuttle the case and keep it away from the glare of media. In this case the clergy played any game possible to get the nun and two padres out of the list of accused. At that point of time social media etc. was not even in existence, and the clergy could use their clout on the media houses, governments and the police.

But the latest case of the nun v/s bishop, times have certainly changed. The clergy is once again closing ranks; with the Missionaries of Jesus even displaying the photograph of the nun who is the victim. They are not supposed to reveal the identity of the victim in such cases, but yet they went ahead and did it. Now looks like Vatican is getting involved; but that should only be on religious matters.

Mean while; while the Roman Catholic clergy is fighting this case that has not stopped the Orthodox & Jacobite sects having a big fight over the rights on churches.
Dispute between Orthodox-Jacobite factions at Kattachira; Prohibitory orders enforced.


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Postby Peregrine » 07 Oct 2018 03:24

Pope says Church can no longer tolerate silence on abuse

VATICAN CITY: Pope Francis said on Saturday that silence on sexual abuse can “no longer be tolerated” as he ordered an investigation into Vatican archives concerning former archbishop of Washington Theodore McCarrick, who resigned in July.

“Both abuse and its cover-up can no longer be tolerated,” said Francis in a Vatican statement in which he declared the Church had to tackle “the grave scourge of abuse within and beyond” the institution.

The case of McCarrick triggered a storm in August after Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, a former Vatican envoy to Washington, dropped a bombshell letter accusing the pope of ignoring allegations about the prominent US cardinal, one of the most senior Catholic leaders to face abuse allegations.

Pope calls meeting of key bishops on sexual abuse: Vatican

Following Vigano’s letter, US groups representing survivors of sexual abuse by Catholic priests urged the Vatican to publish a list of clerics accused of sexual assault.

Saturday’s Vatican statement said Francis was “aware of and concerned by the confusion that these accusations are causing in the conscience of the faithful.”

The statement added: “Both abuse and its cover-up can no longer be tolerated” and said the Church had a duty “to prevent such crimes from being committed in the future to the harm of the most innocent and most vulnerable in society”.

The statement also underlined that Francis had in an August letter to Catholics stated that “the only way that we have to respond to this evil that has darkened so many lives is to experience it as a task regarding all of us as the People of God.

Pope meets with US church leaders over clergy sex abuse

“This awareness of being part of a people and a shared history will enable us to acknowledge our past sins and mistakes with a penitential openness that can allow us to be renewed from within,” said the statement.

Regarding McCarrick, the Vatican said Francis “has decided that information gathered during the preliminary investigation be combined with a further thorough study of the entire documentation present in the Archives of the Dicasteries and Offices of the Holy See … to ascertain all the relevant facts, to place them in their historical context and to evaluate them objectively.”

The Vatican concluded the Holy See recognised “it may emerge that choices were taken that would not be consonant with a contemporary approach to such issues” but that, as Francis said in 2015, “we will follow the path of truth wherever it may lead.”

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Postby habal » 22 Oct 2018 13:21

https://www.news18.com/news/india/jalan ... 15875.html

Jalandhar priest Who Filed Complaint Against Rape-Accused Bishop Franco Mulakkal Found Dead

New Delhi: Father Kuriakose Kattuthara, a priest of the Jalandhar diocese who had filed a complaint against rape-accused bishop Franko Mulakkal, was found dead on Monday morning. His family has raised suspicions and is set to file a police complaint in connection with the death.

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Postby chetak » 22 Oct 2018 14:09

habal wrote:https://www.news18.com/news/india/jalandhar-father-who-filed-complaint-against-rape-accused-bishop-franco-mulakkal-found-dead-1915875.html

Jalandhar priest Who Filed Complaint Against Rape-Accused Bishop Franco Mulakkal Found Dead

New Delhi: Father Kuriakose Kattuthara, a priest of the Jalandhar diocese who had filed a complaint against rape-accused bishop Franko Mulakkal, was found dead on Monday morning. His family has raised suspicions and is set to file a police complaint in connection with the death.


The post mortem should be done in a non congi controlled state or a hospital like AIIMS but definitely out of punjab.

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Postby habal » 22 Oct 2018 14:12

please note he was the primary witness for the nuns.


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Postby Sachin » 22 Oct 2018 14:48

habal wrote:please note he was the primary witness for the nuns.

Abhaya case redux?? :(. Hope these incidents do not die out due to the Sabari Mala issue. But all said and done, it is very difficult to prove that Bishop Franco raped some one, especially as the incidents happened a few year back.

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Postby Avarachan » 11 Nov 2018 07:02

https://www.theamericanconservative.com ... -solution/

Rod Dreher, "The Church’s ‘Geographic Solution’"
November 9, 2018

Back in 2003, I had a conversation with a Dallas plaintiff’s lawyer who had been involved in sex abuse lawsuits against the Catholic Church. She told me that the Church was going to be hit with a second wave of abuse lawsuits once the Latino community started facing up to what priests had done to them.

She explained that it was hard to get Latino Catholics to talk about the scandal, and about clerical sex abuse that had happened in their communities. There were various reasons for this; I recall the lawyer telling me that there was a lot more shame about it within Latino culture, and also priests were held in much higher regard than in Anglo culture. Sooner or later, she said, it’s going to come out.

I wonder if we are starting to reach that point.
From NPR:

Catholic Church leaders in Los Angeles for years shuffled predator priests into non-English-speaking immigrant communities. That pattern was revealed in personnel documents released in a decades-old legal settlement between victims of child sex abuse by Catholic priests and the Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles.

Now clergy sex abuse victims throughout California are calling on the state’s attorney general to investigate clergy abuse and force church officials to release more information about their role covering it up. The goal is to discover how wide-spread the practice of hiding abusers in immigrant communities really was.


Manuel Barragan was one of those victims.


More:

DeMarco says that settlement forced local Catholic officials to turn over thousands of pages of personnel files on accused priests. Those files showed how higher-ups repeatedly sent predators into communities where they knew people were less likely to speak up.

“Blatant statements as to ‘there is no need to take corrective action, because folks who were undocumented won’t report,'” DeMarco says. “That’s in some of these files.”

There are dozens of examples of immigrant communities thrown under the bus.


“This is complete pattern,” says Patrick Wall, a legal advocate who coined the term ‘the geographic solution’ to describe the church’s actions.
....

Back in 2002, I wrote about Father Robert Larson, a serial molester in the Diocese of Wichita. There were five — five! — suicides of young men who had been his victims. Larson died in prison a few years back, and I noted that here. Excerpt:

Hearing of Larson’s death gets to me, because I well remember the telephone conversation I had with Horace Patterson on the day I interviewed him for that NRO article. He described to me sitting on his front porch after having received the news by phone of Eric’s suicide. He watched his wife Janet driving up the lane towards the house, knowing what he was going to have to tell her when she arrived.

Something inside me broke when I heard that story. I was at the time a relatively new father; my son was not yet three. I imagined myself in Horace’s chair on that day. I imagined myself in the places of all the parents of Father Larson’s dead. What would I say to the bishop(s) who allowed Father Larson to remain in ministry, knowing what he was? What would I say to the diocesan officials who repeatedly lied to mothers and fathers about this monster the diocese allowed to come into their midst and prey on their children?

After this essay appeared online, I heard from a Vietnamese-American man who said he was one of the boat people refugees that Father Larson had responsibility for. He too had been molested by the priest, but like so many of the other boys, he did not have the language to tell others what was happening to him. And he was a child in a foreign land. He was scared. They all were.

And the Diocese of Wichita let this happen to them.

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Postby Avarachan » 11 Nov 2018 07:21

^^ For the above article, there's an interesting comment by Lee Podles. Podles is the author of perhaps the best book on the pedophilia/pederasty/infidelity crisis, "Sacrilege: Sexual Abuse in the Catholic Church" (2008). Curiously, he remains a Roman Catholic. As an Orthodox Christian, I don't understand that, but I do respect Podles for his investigative work.

https://www.amazon.com/Sacrilege-Sexual ... =sacrilege
Sacrilege explores the deep roots of the Catholic Church's sexual-abuse scandal, revealing its full depth and breadth. In horrifying yet necessary detail, former federal investigator Leon Podles surveys the full extent of the damage, showing how victims were failed by bishops, laity, therapists, police, courts, press, and even popes. Examining the history behind today's headlines, Dr. Podles reveals how centuries-old theological errors encouraged blind submission to hierarchy, by making obedience to authority the highest virtue. He also shines a light on the new theological errors, popularized since Vatican II, that glorify every type of sexual expression--including pedophilia. Sacrilege will prove an essential resource for all those concerned with the history and future of Catholicism.


https://www.theamericanconservative.com ... nt-8799542

Lee Podles says:
November 9, 2018 at 10:33 am
When I was researching my book, I too noticed that pattern: abusive priests were disproportionately assigned to Latino, Native American, and Aleut communities. Sometimes the children could not speak English, or they did not have the English words to describe what was done to them, or they feared going to the police. Some communities were isolated and had no one to report to.

The Jesuits abusers in Alaska justified their abuse by claiming that child-adult sex was accepted in the native communities.

This is one reason I find the Catholic language about “preferential option for the poor” not only to be sheer hypocrisy but to be (inadvertently?) a double entendre.


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