Terroristan - October 8, 2018

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby yensoy » 28 Feb 2019 07:08

A_Gupta wrote:Help!
I know Pakistan has always considered India to be an existential threat.
But is there anything in the Indian strategic or military literature that discusses Pakistan as an existential threat to India?


I can't think of any because Pak is not an existential threat to us, nobody believes that. It used to be the case that people felt that if Kashmir decided to secede then India would fall apart, but that line of thinking has entirely changed and nobody in their right minds believes anymore that losing Kashmir would cause the unraveling of India. Not that we would lose Kashmir but the one remaining threat we face from Pak is also not an existential one.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Singha » 28 Feb 2019 08:04

- by not having a all-party meeting or speaking to media, PM Modi has denied a chance for anyone to dilute his displeasure or go gabbling to the media. info control is very tight as to his real intentions and this is making that airspace closed. last time it took 12 days for the strike to appear. this time nobody knows, could be today, next week, next month....the cost for Pak to hide behind their disposable terrorists just went up much higher. if they open the airspace, indian strike pkgs could hide behind commercial ac like the israelis have done over lebanon and SAMs or AAMs cannot be used. popeye missiles or garuthma gliders will be unleashed before the indian planes turn away.

- pak's social media fakery got exposed on all fronts yesterday and they lost a lot of credibility. sialkot, fake crash pics the whole lot. periodic probes and shadow boxing the air can be done. or mysterious cartons found in the desert marked for baluchi freedom fighters and sindhi separatists...

GOI needs to say nothing let the forces decide their own timelines and keep Pak on the grill, cooking slowly over the hot coals. give the baluchis a full on consulate in delhi.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby khan » 28 Feb 2019 09:21

Singha wrote:- by not having a all-party meeting or speaking to media, PM Modi has denied a chance for anyone to dilute his displeasure or go gabbling to the media. info control is very tight as to his real intentions and this is making that airspace closed. last time it took 12 days for the strike to appear. this time nobody knows, could be today, next week, next month....the cost for Pak to hide behind their disposable terrorists just went up much higher. if they open the airspace, indian strike pkgs could hide behind commercial ac like the israelis have done over lebanon and SAMs or AAMs cannot be used. popeye missiles or garuthma gliders will be unleashed before the indian planes turn away.

- pak's social media fakery got exposed on all fronts yesterday and they lost a lot of credibility. sialkot, fake crash pics the whole lot. periodic probes and shadow boxing the air can be done. or mysterious cartons found in the desert marked for baluchi freedom fighters and sindhi separatists...

GOI needs to say nothing let the forces decide their own timelines and keep Pak on the grill, cooking slowly over the hot coals. give the baluchis a full on consulate in delhi.

Hope they take their time, let the Pakistanis settle into rhythm & let their guard down.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Vivasvat » 28 Feb 2019 09:54

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/27/asia/pakistan-india-flight-disruption-intl/index.html

Thousands of flights disrupted worldwide as Pakistan airspace closed for second day
Thai Airways announced that all its European routes "departing near midnight of 27 FEB through early 28 FEB" were canceled "due to sudden closure of Pakistani airspace as a result of tension between India and Pakistan."

As of Thursday, there will be no Thai Airways flights between Bangkok and London, Munich, Paris, Brussels, Milan, Vienna, Stockholm, Zurich, Copenhagen and Oslo, the airline said in a statement.

It was also awaiting airspace authorization to operate flights on an alternative route that does not pass Pakistan
Singapore Airlines announced that some of its flights from Singapore to London would have to stop in either Dubai or Mumbai to refuel.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Manish_P » 28 Feb 2019 10:22

Brilliant move on multiple fronts

Our airspace is open. The pakis have closed theirs. Loss of face due to appearing scared. Getting everyone else pissed due to cancelations & route changing resulting in increase in costs. Airports in india getting increased servicing, fueling requests..

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby yensoy » 28 Feb 2019 10:32

^^^^ and don't forget overflight money!! They are getting zero and we are earning our usual.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Atmavik » 28 Feb 2019 10:33

its an airial blockade

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Singha » 28 Feb 2019 11:14

the beauty of this is self imposed flagellation by the pakis....and the trigger switch is with us. after decades of sitting cozily while jihadis created havoc in india, they are being forced to earn a living beyond parade grounds...and they are looking tired already.

long ways to go. any lone IAF plane lurking around left unchallenged could be packing 4 standoff weapons. will he or wont he? if even a single jihadi HQ is hit, the trust of the jihadis in top cover provided by GOPAK is eroded.

I agree there is no binary T20 solution to a 200 mil strong nuclear armed failed state under chinese umbrella. we need to erode both TSP and China together as we rise.

its a marathon and so far in just 20 years (incl 10 of mostly apathy under the UPA regimes) we have pulled ahead bigtime. todays cost=X to us of exerting IAF will 0.2X in 10 years and our 9X economic differential will be 20X.

TSP is in thycidides trap - fight india now or fight a 10x india later :mrgreen:

era of TSP elites smirking and eating cake while sending disposable jihadis to die needs to be over and it will.....frogs will be boiled, courts will be convened, justice will be delivered, spoils will be shared ...... these corrupt westernised elites need to be ripped from their decadent nests by the mass of suffering TSPian faithfuls.

True Green must prevail over the indus valley.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby asgkhan » 28 Feb 2019 11:45

I await the din to see a glowing deep crater in Islamabad Army HQ. Only then will the elite truly feel the pain.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Manas » 28 Feb 2019 12:45

Well captured IAF Wing Co Varthaman notwithstanding, this skirmish (even if it deescalates from this point on) has blown up the equilibrium for good.

Terroristan proxies were imposing costs on us with impunity with glee - the price India and its citizens have paid over the last couple of decades is incalculable


    1. Cost of raising 10's of RR battalions

    2. Cost of 100's of paramilitary, RR and Regular ARMY lives lost fighting the terrorists and uniformed Jihadi's, BATs in border skirmishes

    3. Guests at every 5* hotel in India have to go through metal detector

    4. 1000's of civilians killed in 10's of terrorist attacks outside of J & K




all the while the UPA alliance was busy issuing demarches, Terroristani's would threaten nuclear war, arrest/ban sundry jehadi's under U.S. pressure, China continuing to fight a proxy battle against India through Terroristan while the Paki RAPE and Military/Intelligence terror complex went about their merry ways gloating at our predicament.


That equation has changed dramatically. Any terrorist attack in India will invite retaliation against Terroristan. So true equal-equal established i.e. Terror attacks in India = Carried out by Pak jihadis (both the uniformed and bearded varieties).

The rules of the game have changed. Time to keep up the pressure and ensure that their Air Farce, Navy are on hightened alert burning POL, stock market nose diving, running out of forex, airspace closed the costs add up really quick. Exactly what should have happened two decades ago.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby pankajs » 28 Feb 2019 12:54

no ..NO ...

Folks still do not get the full implication of what has changed. Here is what was stated by India the day before.

"In the face of imminent danger, a preemptive strike became absolutely necessary."

See you don't even need a terror strike in India to launch a *preemptive* strike? Future GOI's may not go that far but that is what India has trotted out to the world as the logic behind the last cross-border strike.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Bart S » 28 Feb 2019 13:47

pankajs wrote:no ..NO ...

Folks still do not get the full implication of what has changed. Here is what was stated by India the day before.

"In the face of imminent danger, a preemptive strike became absolutely necessary."

See you don't even need a terror strike in India to launch a *preemptive* strike? Future GOI's may not go that far but that is what India has trotted out to the world as the logic behind the last cross-border strike.


Yes, and that is the way it should be.

Is, for example, sending a JeM terrorist who gets killed in an encounter (with 0 casualties on our side) while attempting a suicide bombing any less of an act of aggression against us than sending one who actually pulls it off? Pakis need to be punished for even planning terror attacks against Indian interests, let alone attempting them.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Paul » 28 Feb 2019 15:47

There is one more deeper issue which IMO has not been discussed. Pakistan is looking to bring in IED expertise as the US looks to withdraw from Afghanistan. Situation similar to early 90s when Soviets left Afghania.

Pulwama was a warning shot across India's bow indicating what is coming down the road. This needs to be explained in detail with the OIC and P5 should they pressurise India to de-escalate.

Modi got the message and hence decided to take action.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby rajithn » 28 Feb 2019 16:50

I am betting that international diplomats and their families are probably on that Emirates, Air Arabia and Qatar Airways flight now showing up on Flightradar24. By 5:00p.m they will all be out of Paki airspace - coinciding with the news conference here by our trip-service representatives. I now see a FlyDubai aircraft as well; stragglers perhaps. :) That could explain why Im The Dim is now saying he wants to speak to NaMo on the phone.

**pure speculation**

But I did say yesterday that the presence of the AVM with the Foreign office spokesman was a nuanced message that the entire game is now being handed over from the MEA to the Armed Forces!

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby rajithn » 28 Feb 2019 16:52

And the WingCo returns to India tomorrow. Being returned unconditionally!

That 5:00p.m news conference was indeed a deadline given to the Pakis!!!!

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Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Peregrine » 28 Feb 2019 17:01

Rupee drops to record low of 139.25 against US dollar - Salman Siddiqui

KARACHI: The escalation in tension on Pakistan-India border weighed on economies of the two neighbouring nuclear-armed nations as their currencies and stocks dipped, while gold surged on Wednesday.

In case of Pakistan, the rupee closed at a record low of 139.25 to the US dollar in the inter-bank market and gold hit an all-time high of Rs70,000 per tola (11.66 grams) as Pakistan shot down two Indian fighter jets and arrested a pilot in bordering areas in retaliation to violation of Pakistan’s airspace by India air forces.

A currency dealer said that escalation in tension convinced foreign investors to offload shares and depart from the Pakistan Stock Exchange (PSX). The situation created additional demand for dollar in the inter-bank market and resulted in a dip in value of the rupee.

‘Rupee could easily settle at 150 in next six months’

A banker, speaking on condition of anonymity, added that the geo-political tension remained the leading reason behind the fresh fall in value of the rupee. Besides, uptrend in international oil prices for the past few days also pushed the rupee down against the dollar as Pakistan remained a net energy importer, which requires hefty dollars in times when its foreign currency reserves continue to deplete. The fall in the rupee and stocks prompted investors to relocate to the safe haven of gold. This resulted in enhancement of gold price to an all-time high, a jeweller and a commodity expert commented.

The State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) reported that the rupee dropped Rs0.37 to record low average closing of Rs139.25 in the inter-bank market on Wednesday. It has depreciated by a cumulative Rs0.70 in the first three days of the week in progress, according to the central bank. The banker noted the US Brent crude oil price has elevated by around $10 per barrel to $65 in the last two weeks.

Govt not to artificially control rupee value: Finance minister

The uptrends convinced oil importers in Pakistan to buy more dollars in the inter-bank market, which caused depreciation in the rupee value. “The rupee may dip to Rs140-142 against the US dollar if the oil price maintains the upward trend in the next one week to 10 days,” the banker said.

Pakistan Forex Association President Malik Bostan pointed out that geo-political tensions pulled the PSX benchmark KSE-100 Index below 39,000 points from around 42,000 points in the recent past. “The escalating tension convinced foreign investors at the PSX to leave,” he said. “The situation created additional demand for dollars.”

Foreign investors, who remained net sellers for over three years, have sold stocks worth net $941,294 in the past two days, according to the National Clearing Company of Pakistan Limited (NCCPL).

Bostan added that currency retail markets suspended their operations for a limited duration during the day following escalation in tension and Civil Aviation Authority of Pakistan’s announcement that it was closing airspace for commercial flights. He said currency dealers import dollars from Dubai against exporting other surplus foreign currencies like UAE dirham and Saudi riyal.

The suspension of flights sparked panic among the dealers as to how they would import dollars now.

“However, the central bank assured swift supply of dollars in the market through commercial banks,” he said. “We have placed an order for $2 million and commercial banks will supply the amount on Thursday to the currency dealers.” The assurance from the central bank helped keep the rupee stable at retail markets where it closed at Rs139.20 to the US dollar after briefly hiking to Rs139.70 during the day, he said.

All Sindh Saraf and Jewellers Association President Haji Haroon Chand said the gold price surged Rs650 per tola to a record high of Rs70,000 following deprecation in rupee against the dollar and a nominal $2 per ounce increase in gold price to $1,327 per ounce in international market.

“The gold partly surged due to expected additional demand anticipated to come from investors who usually invest in the commodity during times of geo-political tensions,” he said. Rays Commodity Chief Operating Officer Adnan Agar added the gold surged following investors relocating a part of their investment to the safe haven of gold. Otherwise, gold price largely remained stable at around $1,325 per ounce at international markets.

“The expected poor US economic growth data (due to the longest US governed shutdown in the recent past) to be released on Thursday may push gold price up again to $1,345 an ounce in the days to come,” he anticipated.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Peregrine » 28 Feb 2019 17:04

rajithn wrote:And the WingCo returns to India tomorrow. Being returned unconditionally!

That 5:00p.m news conference was indeed a deadline given to the Pakis!!!!
rajithn :

JO DUR GUYA SO MUR GUYA!

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby rajithn » 28 Feb 2019 17:08

BTW< I don't think this is over by a long shot. Getting the WingCo back is just the first step.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby rajithn » 28 Feb 2019 17:08

rajithn wrote:I am betting that international diplomats and their families are probably on that Emirates, Air Arabia and Qatar Airways flight now showing up on Flightradar24. By 5:00p.m they will all be out of Paki airspace - coinciding with the news conference here by our trip-service representatives. I now see a FlyDubai aircraft as well; stragglers perhaps. :) That could explain why Im The Dim is now saying he wants to speak to NaMo on the phone.

**pure speculation**

But I did say yesterday that the presence of the AVM with the Foreign office spokesman was a nuanced message that the entire game is now being handed over from the MEA to the Armed Forces!


Fasten your seatbelts!

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby yensoy » 28 Feb 2019 17:10

These idiots will never learn - as per Dawn news, this is what is being discussed in parliament. Don't they understand that Burhan Wani was a gun-toting terrorist? What exactly are they trying to say here? That terrorism is ok?

Joint session: 'More Burhan Wanis will be born in Kashmir'
Shahbaz Sharif, while addressing the joint session, said there could never be peace in Kashmir if children continue being shot with pellet guns, young men are crushed with vehicles, and the armed forces oppress citizens.

"The world should understand, that in the presence of all these things, there can never be peace. In this situation [...] I believe more Burhan Wanis will be born."


Pellet guns, as terrible as they are, were brought in as a non-lethal crowd control measure. It's not that the pakis were ok with the situation before the introduction of pellet guns.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby yensoy » 28 Feb 2019 17:11

rajithn wrote:BTW< I don't think this is over by a long shot. Getting the WingCo back is just the first step.


Desi media should be showing archival photos of the 90000 PoWs of 1971 at every opportunity, to remind our own people that (i) PoWs are a fact of war and (ii) we have been more than decent in the handling of PoWs in our territory.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Klaus » 28 Feb 2019 17:27

OT but I'm getting too many tweets from TSP handles thanks to our folks retweeting them without checking.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Vips » 28 Feb 2019 18:29

Manas wrote:Well captured IAF Wing Co Varthaman notwithstanding, this skirmish (even if it deescalates from this point on) has blown up the equilibrium for good.

Terroristan proxies were imposing costs on us with impunity with glee - the price India and its citizens have paid over the last couple of decades is incalculable


    1. Cost of raising 10's of RR battalions

    2. Cost of 100's of paramilitary, RR and Regular ARMY lives lost fighting the terrorists and uniformed Jihadi's, BATs in border skirmishes

    3. Guests at every 5* hotel in India have to go through metal detector

    4. 1000's of civilians killed in 10's of terrorist attacks outside of J & K




all the while the UPA alliance was busy issuing demarches, Terroristani's would threaten nuclear war, arrest/ban sundry jehadi's under U.S. pressure, China continuing to fight a proxy battle against India through Terroristan while the Paki RAPE and Military/Intelligence terror complex went about their merry ways gloating at our predicament.


That equation has changed dramatically. Any terrorist attack in India will invite retaliation against Terroristan. So true equal-equal established i.e. Terror attacks in India = Carried out by Pak jihadis (both the uniformed and bearded varieties).

The rules of the game have changed. Time to keep up the pressure and ensure that their Air Farce, Navy are on hightened alert burning POL, stock market nose diving, running out of forex, airspace closed the costs add up really quick. Exactly what should have happened two decades ago.


Going forward, the Indian strategy would be to use long range stand off munitions, the Israeli kamikaze drone and armed drones if the targets are away from the border. For anything near the border we will see artillery used to pound the camps.

I hope Doval is working overtime to set up a capability to increasingly target Shitistan from inside, like the pakis do here.For any big incident here a disproportional retort within pakistan will be more effective then indulging in military skirmishes which allows the shitistanis to play the nuclear card (however ineffective it may be)

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Bart S » 28 Feb 2019 18:47

yensoy wrote:These idiots will never learn - as per Dawn news, this is what is being discussed in parliament. Don't they understand that Burhan Wani was a gun-toting terrorist? What exactly are they trying to say here? That terrorism is ok?

Joint session: 'More Burhan Wanis will be born in Kashmir'
Shahbaz Sharif, while addressing the joint session, said there could never be peace in Kashmir if children continue being shot with pellet guns, young men are crushed with vehicles, and the armed forces oppress citizens.

"The world should understand, that in the presence of all these things, there can never be peace. In this situation [...] I believe more Burhan Wanis will be born."


Pellet guns, as terrible as they are, were brought in as a non-lethal crowd control measure. It's not that the pakis were ok with the situation before the introduction of pellet guns.


Boss you are 1> expecting rational logic from a Paki, which is impossible and 2> taking their parliament seriously when all that it is, is propaganda for internal consumption and for the odd gullible western idiot who still pays them any attention.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Singha » 28 Feb 2019 20:05

economic pressure, targeting of their export basket and permanent revocation of their MFN status must be kept up.
cross border trade should also be stopped. let them buy indian goods at higher transport cost via dubai.
we dont really depend on anything thats produced or grown in TSP.

GOI need to set up small tiger teams in each key ministry to define this economic plan.


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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Vips » 28 Feb 2019 20:48

If we were to just target their Textile Industry, the impact will be huge. There should be a systematic effort to compete and undercut the Pakistani export capability by offering aggressive duty drawback and other incentives to our exporters. The pakis simply do not have the capabibilty to match that given that there is a huge outstanding back log of such incentives that the government there is not able to pay. It is offering promissory notes and bonds to exporters with little down payment and bulk of the outstanding to be paid over 24-48 months. :rotfl:
We should also now make sure that the GSP + preference facility that Terroristani textiles enjoy in the EU market is not renewed. India and Bangladesh allowed it last time in 2014 by not objecting to it and hence it was granted. When it comes up for renewal we should not allow it.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby manjgu » 28 Feb 2019 20:51

few Brahmos up the Sui Gas plant plus 5/6 power stations and whole of Pakistan will be in the dark ages... come on Modi ...do something before I die.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Bart S » 28 Feb 2019 21:16

FWIW please beware that the Natsec Jeffrey guy is a Paki pretending to have a Western name. Please dont take at face value.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby arun » 28 Feb 2019 21:59

The Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan under signature of Shah Mehmood Qureshi writes a letter to OIC Secretary General Dr Yousef bin Ahmad Al-Othaimeen saying that they have told the UAE that they will boycott of OIC Meet if invitation to India is not withdrawn.

So are the Arab Overlords at the apex of the Mohammadden belief based totem pole going to listen to the lowly Miskeens of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan and oblige :eek: :?: Is patron UAE who are financially bailing out the Islamic Republic going to treat squawks from near bankrupt client with anything but contemptuous refusal to withdraw invitation to India :-o :?:

I expect the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan will not succeed and will thereafter claim that the went easy on the move of having India disinvited in the interest of :wink: Peace :lol: :

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan officially conveyed to the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) on Wednesday that it may have to boycott the upcoming OIC’s foreign ministers conclave if the invitation extended to the Indian external affairs minister to be guest of honour at its inaugural session is not withdrawn.

In a letter written to OIC Secretary General Dr Yousef bin Ahmad Al-Othaimeen, Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said Pakistan had asked the United Arab Emirates (UAE) to withdraw the invitation to Indian external affairs minister or else it would be compelled to reconsider its decision to attend the meet. ………………………


From Dawn:

Islamabad apprises OIC of reservation over invite to India

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Singha » 28 Feb 2019 22:22

I would be worried if i were tsp.

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Prime Minister Narendra Modi Thursday appeared to be making a reference to India's air strikes on terror camps in Pakistan when he said a "pilot project" was recently carried out and now the "real one" has to be done as the earlier exercise was a practice.

Speaking at an award ceremony for scientists, he said, "You spend your life in laboratories. You have a tradition of first doing a pilot project. It is later scaled up. So recently a pilot project happened", as the audience burst into applause.

Modi continued, "Now the real one has to be done. Earlier one was a practice. And the real is to actually give a standing ovation to today's award winners. We will give a standing ovation."

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby g.sarkar » 01 Mar 2019 00:46

Chhoti muh badi baat, but I have to say: after the Army and the Air Force, it is Indian Navy's turn. The twinkling lights of Karachi port are saying Aa Baans jhad mein kyun ga**d mein aa!
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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby arun » 01 Mar 2019 10:37

X Posted from the India-US relations: News and Discussions IV thread.

Let us see if the US is going to continue to turn a Nelsons Eye to multiple cases stretching over decades of the use of US supplied weapons to the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan being used against India despite pious US and Pakistani declarations that these weapons were not for use against India but rather exclusively for War of Terror purposes presumably against an Al Qaida and other Islamic Terrorist group Air Forces rendered invisible by use of a Klingon Cloaking device and what not:

India sharing F-16 evidence with America

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

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abhishek_sharma wrote:Poulomi Saha

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Breaking now! Pakistan’s Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi says he will not be attending the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation meet today in Abu Dhabi, after UAE refused to rescind invitation extended to India @IndiaToday


Rephrasing with a saying from where I come from

A man picked up a fight with a pond and refused to wash his musharraf

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Postby UlanBatori » 01 Mar 2019 14:01

His flight was cancelled, hain? Entire Terroristan is No fly Zone

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Postby Peregrine » 01 Mar 2019 15:55

Pakistan denying use of F-16s as US bars them from ‘offensive role’ – TNN

NEW DELHI: Pakistan tried very hard to deny it used F-16s for the air intrusion, or that one of them was shot down, because it obtained the fighters from the US from the mid-1980s onwards under the guise of the global fight against terrorism. US laws, in fact, bar use of the fighters in an “offensive role” against a country.

Air Vice Marshal RGK Kapoor said IAF radars had picked up “electronic signatures” of the F-16s that formed part of the “large package” of Pakistani aircraft that tried to bomb Indian military installations. Moreover, parts of an AIM-120C advanced medium-range air-to-air missile (AMRAAM), which is only carried by F-16s in Pakistan’s combat fleet, was recovered east of Rajouri within Indian territory.

There were also reports that the Pakistani pilot of the F-16 which India said was shot down was assaulted by locals in PoK who failed to recognise his identity. He was taken to hospital and, mistaken for an Indian, Pakistan declared that two Indian pilots were in its custody. The mistake was corrected even though Pakistani Prime Minister , Imran Khan too, repeated the incorrect claim.

“There is enough evidence to show F-16s were used in this mission and Pakistan is trying to hide this fact. The fact remains one F-16 was shot down by our MiG-21 Bison fighter,” he said, flaying “factually incorrect statements” made by Pakistan.

Pakistani military’s publicity wing ISPR’s release of pictures of India’s crashed MiG-21 was also dismissed. “The debris shown, in fact, is of its own F-16 fighter. A picture shows an engine’s outer casing … it is certainly not that of a MiG-21,” another officer said.

In Video : Pieces of missile from downed F-16 recovered

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby shravan » 01 Mar 2019 16:03

PAF converts land for ‘national security’ into housing scheme in Lahore
https://www.dawn.com/news/1461122/paf-c ... -islamabad

ISLAMABAD: An audit report on the aviation division has revealed that the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) converted the land acquired for “national security” into a housing scheme, causing a loss of Rs1.92 billion to the national exchequer.

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Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Peregrine » 01 Mar 2019 16:23

UN asked to blacklist JeM chief

UNITED NATIONS: The United States, Britain and France have submitted a pro­posal to the United Nat­i­o­ns Security Council (UNSC), asking it to blacklist Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) chief Masood Azhar.

The 15-nation Security Council has 10 working days to consider the proposal moved by three of its five permanent members on Wednesday. The proposal is the fourth at the United Nations over the last 10 years to list the JeM chief as a global terrorist.

The move is likely to be opposed by China, which previously prevented the Security Council’s Islamic State and Al Qaeda commit­tee from sanctioning Maso­­od Azhar in 2016 and 2017.

If adopted, the proposal will require Pakistan to freeze the funds and other financial assets belonging to Masood Azhar and his org­anisation. India has incre­­ased effo­rts to put Masood Azhar on the UN list of global terro­rists since Feb 14, when the JeM claimed respon­sibility for a car bom­bing in Pul­wa­­ma that killed at least 40 Indian soldiers.

The proposed sanctions include a travel ban and an arms embargo. The arms embargo requires UN-member states to prev­ent the direct or indirect supply, sale and transfer of arms from their territories or by their nationals outside their territories to a desig­nated individual or entity.

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Postby Peregrine » 01 Mar 2019 16:41

India's Swaraj takes apparent swipe at Pakistan during OIC address



India's Minister for External Affairs Sushma Swaraj took an apparent swipe at Pakistan during her address at the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) in Abu Dhabi on Friday.

Without naming Pakistan, the Indian minister put forth the Indian allegations, saying: "If we want to save humanity then we must tell the states who provide shelter and funding to the terrorists, to dismantle the infrastructure of that terrorist camps and stop providing funding and shelter to the terror organisations based in that country.

"At the same time, I would like to say that this menace cannot be fought only through military intelligence or diplomatic means. It is also a battle that must be won through the strength of our values and the real message of religions.

"This is a task that states, societies, sages, scholars, spiritual leaders and families must pursue through personal contacts and on social media. And for this, cultures must engage with cultures and communities must build bridges, not erect walls, the youth must shape the future not destroy lives."

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