Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby chetak » 07 Jun 2019 11:52

Najunamar wrote:But Vikasji, the 3 eat grass neighbors would be far more weakened no (in comparison to 1 with bum)? Perhaps the end game is to make it into a lot of small pieces better digestible in the course of time? Also get them officially nuke nude once broken up....


cornered rats are the most dangerous.

Have we forgotten the ummah who will come to help them out and it is in the greater interest of this ummah that the nuke capability remains because this is also the salvation of the ummah.

the turks and the saudis will be at the forefront of this effort with many other bit players hoping to feast off the crumbs.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby Najunamar » 07 Jun 2019 12:20

But of course Chetakji, the end game planning should include the reactions and motivations of all key players not merely the protagonist and antagonist. Saudi Barbaria and other ummah actors would have their own calculations on how they can benefit. After all the 4.5 fathers will try to extract the last bit of juice from this abomination of their own creation and nurturing.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby Vikas » 07 Jun 2019 13:54

^ Najunamar ji, Chetak,
Its a interesting point about so called Ummah coming to the aid of Pakistan. On top, If Pakistan gets broken into multiple entities, The age old dream of access to warm waters of Persian Gulf/Arab Sea and Pakistan being a axis which can be manipulated and used to needle India, Iran , CA (and China someday in future if the price is right) will vanish faster than fog on a hot sunny day.

Unless India is wiling to take over Pak at some point in time as its protectorate, This endgame of Pakistan may result in more headache for India and the world than it is now. To expect that incest ridden Jaahil Pakis will be magically transformed into decent civilized chums post dissolution of Pakistan will remain a fantasy. My take is that Ummah will stop worrying about Pak once Oil dependence is gone and Petro-dollar no longer fetches premium, The world will adjust back to India being a driving force for ME too.
We are I guess still a couple of decades away from the final unravelling of 'Fort of Islam'.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 07 Jun 2019 14:15

Vikas wrote:^ Najunamar ji, Chetak,
Its a interesting point about so called Ummah coming to the aid of Pakistan. On top, If Pakistan gets broken into multiple entities, The age old dream of access to warm waters of Persian Gulf/Arab Sea and Pakistan being a axis which can be manipulated and used to needle India, Iran , CA (and China someday in future if the price is right) will vanish faster than fog on a hot sunny day.

Unless India is wiling to take over Pak at some point in time as its protectorate, This endgame of Pakistan may result in more headache for India and the world than it is now. To expect that incest ridden Jaahil Pakis will be magically transformed into decent civilized chums post dissolution of Pakistan will remain a fantasy. My take is that Ummah will stop worrying about Pak once Oil dependence is gone and Petro-dollar no longer fetches premium, The world will adjust back to India being a driving force for ME too.
We are I guess still a couple of decades away from the final unravelling of 'Fort of Islam'.


vikasji, it is not necessary, esp if we manage the refugees well
1. broken entities will be focussing on getting on their feet for sometime
2. they will be significantly weaker militarily and economically
3. they can be made to fight with each other on water, trade routes and other resources
Right now pakjab army does this job. True that they will not vanish so easily unlike the way it happened in BD, may be the officer or brigadier above corps can can be hosted in indian reeducation camps in pakistan or afghanistan
Dont forget that rats are the first ones to jump off the ships

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby UlanBatori » 07 Jun 2019 17:47

3. they can be made to fight with each other on water, trade routes and other resources

That is the main strategy. Of course not actually FIGHT, v r 400% peaceful onlee. But be pointing guns and mijjiles at each other - and at Pakjab after an initial lamp-post / sawmill lovefest.
With the LaHore mansions and the Krachi waterfront real estate gone, I doubt if PA uniform will hold much attraction -except to attract pitchforks and frying pans and knives. Doesn't Sindh have a fair amount of desert that needs to be turned Green? Excellent occupation for ex-PA as they Re-Educate themselves.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby SBajwa » 07 Jun 2019 19:21

Vikas wrote:^ Najunamar ji, Chetak,
Its a interesting point about so called Ummah coming to the aid of Pakistan. On top, If Pakistan gets broken into multiple entities, The age old dream of access to warm waters of Persian Gulf/Arab Sea and Pakistan being a axis which can be manipulated and used to needle India, Iran , CA (and China someday in future if the price is right) will vanish faster than fog on a hot sunny day.

Unless India is wiling to take over Pak at some point in time as its protectorate, This endgame of Pakistan may result in more headache for India and the world than it is now. To expect that incest ridden Jaahil Pakis will be magically transformed into decent civilized chums post dissolution of Pakistan will remain a fantasy. My take is that Ummah will stop worrying about Pak once Oil dependence is gone and Petro-dollar no longer fetches premium, The world will adjust back to India being a driving force for ME too.
We are I guess still a couple of decades away from the final unravelling of 'Fort of Islam'.


You are giving way too much credit to the inbred Pakjabis. These people have never ever ruled their own land and have surrendered their place to many invaders before 1947 (Nadir Shah, Abdali, etc). They are like toothless dogs who will keep on barking.

inbred Pakjabis have lost all wars and live with dreams of fake ummah of 14th century.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby Rudradev » 07 Jun 2019 22:50

I'd like to XPost links to some posts I made in the 2019 Political Strategy thread, regarding techniques that have been used to engineer Colour Revolutions by the Culinary Institute. In the other thread, they are meant to highlight threats to India's stability.

However, it may be worth considering if any of the techniques described here can be implemented vis-a-vis TSP to our benefit.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby UlanBatori » 07 Jun 2019 23:28

Color Revolution (WTH is "color"?) model is not likely to work in Pakjab, where they put down any non-violent protest with utter ruthless violence. Buggers used F-16s to bomb Balochistan villages, remember. Musharraf used Osama bin laden's tribal savages to burn the people of Balwaristan/Gilgit. Pakis also used F-16s over Swat, IIRC.

So in Pakjab, a swift, sudden, utterly violent bloodbath of Jarnails is the only solution. Raze a few buildings in downtown Islamagood, all of the Pindi Cantonment, and burn the karachi waterfront, all same day same time. Raid mansions in LaHore and hang the jarnails and Pakjabi political netas from each lamppost.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 07 Jun 2019 23:51

1. Are there that many lamp posts? may be a good use case of CPEC.
2. RDji, I also dont think color revolution can work here. Once a state is green and is run by sunnis, very difficult to topple it peacefully. Key states were scared but immune to it. May be fringe states were affected due to this Libya required Rafale MMRCA 1.5, Syria brought in S300 in addition to chemical weapons. You know more than I do on that.
Color revolutions can be used to disorient them and then execute the main plan but that can never shake the deep state. It might lead to Lawyer mushy ousting or Sharif jailing and kaptan getting selected. The thing is people dont want democracy, they want green.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 07 Jun 2019 23:53

SBajwa wrote:You are giving way too much credit to the inbred Pakjabis. These people have never ever ruled their own land and have surrendered their place to many invaders before 1947 (Nadir Shah, Abdali, etc). They are like toothless dogs who will keep on barking.

inbred Pakjabis have lost all wars and live with dreams of fake ummah of 14th century.

Sir did they fight in the first place? How could entire armies pass through them? Is it original version of geographic locaton premium :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Postby Rudradev » 08 Jun 2019 00:16

ArjunPandit wrote:2. RDji, I also dont think color revolution can work here
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Color revolutions can be used to disorient them and then execute the main plan but that can never shake the deep state. It might lead to Lawyer mushy ousting or Sharif jailing and kaptan getting selected.



APji that's what color revolutions are for. Softening the target for when the hammer descends. Only when the state is virtually absent (Georgia, Ukraine, Egypt, Tunisia) does the color revolution alone suffice to topple the govt. In every other case it's to build up a narrative pretext for harder intervention: sanctions, airstrikes, ityadi. In Pakistan the state (i.e. Army, ISI) is not going to give up without a fight. Point is to make the fight as ugly, costly, and exhausting as possible.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby ramana » 08 Jun 2019 00:16

ArjunPandit wrote:1. Are there that many lamp posts? may be a good use case of CPEC.
2. RDji, I also dont think color revolution can work here. Once a state is green and is run by sunnis, very difficult to topple it peacefully. Key states were scared but immune to it. May be fringe states were affected due to this Libya required Rafale MMRCA 1.5, Syria brought in S300 in addition to chemical weapons. You know more than I do on that.
Color revolutions can be used to disorient them and then execute the main plan but that can never shake the deep state. It might lead to Lawyer mushy ousting or Sharif jailing and kaptan getting selected. The thing is people don't want democracy, they want green.



Only time a green state got dissolved was military defeat.
Eg. Ottoman Turkey got its first defeat Vienna in 1680 but survived long till 1920 defeat in WWI and led to civil war and rise of Kemal Ataturk.

Now Erdogan is bringing back more green.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby SBajwa » 08 Jun 2019 00:17

ArjunPandit wrote:
SBajwa wrote:You are giving way too much credit to the inbred Pakjabis. These people have never ever ruled their own land and have surrendered their place to many invaders before 1947 (Nadir Shah, Abdali, etc). They are like toothless dogs who will keep on barking.

inbred Pakjabis have lost all wars and live with dreams of fake ummah of 14th century.

Sir did they fight in the first place? How could entire armies pass through them? Is it original version of geographic locaton premium :rotfl: :rotfl:


Jayapaldeva of Hindushahi kingdom that ruled Afghanistan and Punjab were the last Punjabi people to rule before Maharaja Ranjit Singh (1799-1849). Jayapaldev and Subuktagin fought many battles but it was Jayapaldev's son Mahmud (who went with name of Mahmad Ghaznavi ) is the one who overran Punjab and led many invasions into India.

Later Chauhan and Ghori fought many battles and it is known that many Soldiers of Prithviraj Chauhan converted to Islam and settled in Punjab. One such was ancestor of Rai Bular Bhatti of Virkgarh (Citadels of the Virk Jats) now known as Sheikhupura (Sheikhu the son of Akbar also named Jahangir renamed this city). This ancestor got 33 villages on the conditions that only his family will convert to Islam while rest of the people in these 33 villages will not. Rai Bular Bhatti was the one who realized Guru Nanak dev's as a Sadhu and supported him. It was here in this village that Guru Nanak was arrested by the invader Babar. Guru Nanak wrote his famous poem "Babarvani" in prison.

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(Rag Asa, pg. 360)
Having attacked Khuraasaan, Babar terrified Hindustan. The Creator Himself does not take the blame, but has sent the Mugal as the messenger of death. There was so much slaughter that the people screamed. Didn't You feel compassion, Lord? || 1 || O Creator Lord, You are the Master of all. If some powerful man strikes out against another man, then no one feels any grief in their mind. || 1 || Pause || But if a powerful tiger attacks a flock of sheep and kills them, then its master must answer for it. This priceless country has been laid waste and defiled by dogs, and no one pays any attention to the dead. You Yourself unite, and You Yourself separate; I gaze upon Your Glorious Greatness. || 2 || One may give himself a great name, and revel in the pleasures of the mind, but in the Eyes of the Lord and Master, he is just a worm, for all the corn that he eats. Only one who dies to his ego while yet alive, obtains the blessings, O Nanak, by chanting the Lord's Name.

(Rag Asa, pg. 417-418)
Those heads adorned with braided hair, with their parts painted with vermillion - those heads were shaved with scissors, and their throats were choked with dust. They lived in palatial mansions, but now, they cannot even sit near the palaces. || 1 || Hail to You, O Father Lord, Hail to You! O Primal Lord. Your limits are not known; You create, and create, and behold the scenes. || 1 || Pause || When they were married, their husbands looked so handsome beside them. They came in palanquins, decorated with ivory; water was sprinkled over their heads, and glittering fans were waved above them. || 2 || They were given hundreds of thousands of coins when they sat, and hundreds of thousands of coins when they stood. They ate coconuts and dates, and rested comfortably upon their beds. But ropes were put around their necks, and their strings of pearls were broken. || 3 || Their wealth and youthful beauty, which gave them so much pleasure, have now become their enemies. The order was given to the soldiers, who dishonored them, and carried them away. If it is pleasing to God's Will, He bestows greatness; if is pleases His Will, He bestows punishment. || 4 || If someone focuses on the Lord beforehand, then why should he be punished? The kings had lost their higher consciousness, reveling in pleasure and sensuality. Since Babar's rule has been proclaimed, even the princes have no food to eat. || 5 || The Muslims have lost their five times of daily prayer, and the Hindus have lost their worship as well. Without their sacred squares, how shall the Hindu women bathe and apply the frontal marks to their foreheads? They never remembered their Lord as Raam, and now they cannot even chant Khudaa-i || 6 || Some have returned to their homes, and meeting their relatives, they ask about their safety. For some, it is pre-ordained that they shall sit and cry out in pain. Whatever pleases Him, comes to pass. O Nanak, what is the fate of mankind? || 7 || 11 || AASAA, FIRST MEHL: Where are the games, the stables, the horses? Where are the drums and the bugles? Where are the sword-belts and chariots? Where are those scarlet uniforms? Where are the rings and the beautiful faces? They are no longer to be seen here. || 1 || This world is Yours; You are the Lord of the Universe. In an instant, You establish and disestablish. You distribute wealth as it pleases You. || 1 || Pause || Where are the houses, the gates, the hotels and palaces? Where are those beautiful way-stations? Where are those beautiful women, reclining on their beds, whose beauty would not allow one to sleep?Where are those betel leaves, their sellers, and the haremees? They have vanished like shadows. || 2 || For the sake of this wealth, so many were ruined; because of this wealth, so many have been disgraced. It was not gathered without sin, and it does not go along with the dead. Those, whom the Creator Lord would destroy - first He strips them of virtue. || 3 || Millions of religious leaders failed to halt the invader, when they heard of the Emperor's invasion. He burned the rest-houses and the ancient temples; he cut the princes limb from limb, and cast them into the dust. None of the Mugals went blind, and no one performed any miracle. || 4 || The battle raged between the Mugals and the Pat'haans, and the swords clashed on the battlefield. They took aim and fired their guns, and they attacked with their elephants. Those men whose letters were torn in the Lord's Court, were destined to die, O Siblings of Destiny. || 5 || The Hindu women, the Muslim women, the Bhattis and the Rajputs - some had their robes torn away, from head to foot, while others came to dwell in the cremation ground. Their husbands did not return home - how did they pass their night? || 6 || The Creator Himself acts, and causes others to act. Unto whom should we complain? Pleasure and pain come by Your Will; unto whom should we go and cry? The Commander issues His Command, and is pleased. O Nanak, we receive what is written in our destiny.

(Rag Tilang, pg. 722-723)
As the Word of the Forgiving Lord comes to me, so do I express it, O Lalo. Bringing the marriage party of sin, Babar has invaded from Kaabul, demanding our land as his wedding gift, O Lalo. Modesty and righteousness both have vanished, and falsehood struts around like a leader, O Lalo. The Qazis and the Brahmins have lost their roles, and Satan now conducts the marriage rites, O Lalo. The Muslim women read the Koran, and in their misery, they call upon God, O Lalo. The Hindu women of high social status, and others of lowly status as well, are put into the same category, O Lalo. The wedding songs of murder are sung, O Nanak, and blood is sprinkled instead of saffron, O Lalo. || 1 || Nanak sings the Glorious Praises of the Lord and Master in the city of corpses, and voices this account. The One who created, and attached the mortals to pleasures, sits alone, and watches this. The Lord and Master is True, and True is His justice. He issues His Commands according to His judgement. The body-fabric will be torn apart into shreds, and then India will remember these words. Coming in seventy-eight (1521 A.D.), they will depart in ninety-seven (1540 A.D.), and then another disciple of man will rise up. Nanak speaks the Word of Truth; he proclaims the Truth at this, the right time.

(Rag Malar, pg.1288)
Deer, falcons and government officials are known to be trained and clever. When the trap is set, they trap their own kind; hereafter they will find no place of rest. He alone is learned and wise, and he alone is a scholar, who practices the Name. First, the tree puts down its roots, and then it spreads out its shade above. The kings are tigers, and their officials are dogs; they go out and awaken the sleeping people to harass them. The public servants inflict wounds with their nails. The dogs lick up the blood that is spilled. But there, in the Court of the Lord, all beings will be judged. Those who have violated the people's trust will be disgraced; their noses will be cut off.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby UlanBatori » 08 Jun 2019 00:39

Themonukes are so much neater.

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:cry: :cry: :cry: :evil: :evil: :evil:


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Postby Rudradev » 08 Jun 2019 01:06

True, but look at the heft of the Gene Sharp- Color Rev technique even where KSA is concerned. That one journalist who was made kheema-gotala in the Istanbul consulate has changed the picture dramatically... US Congress voting to stop support for the Yemen war, FAR less support in DupleeCity for the hardline approach to Iran KSA wants (just imagine if Hillary Clinton were President, the 5th Fleet would have been SLCM-ing Bandar Abbas by now).

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Postby UlanBatori » 08 Jun 2019 02:59

In all the tamasha following Balakot Tree-Overturning Deforestation Atrocity, ppl may have missed a snippet - the sort of thing that UBCN specializes in. It was a report of a massive sweep by PA hunting for ... (drumroll!) MOBILE PHONES. Reports of lots of people being beaten up by PA goons about their mobile phones too. Collate that with the INITIAL report from "Indian guvrmand sources" regarding "juicy target". That was the best evidence that the IAF had indeed struck at the absolute best accumulation of targets. Think about that.... and about other parts of Pakistan starting with Ba.. like Balwaristan and (never mind). I think the Mobile Phone, descendant of the CIA-supplied SatPhone, is the undoing of TSP.

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Postby Rudradev » 08 Jun 2019 03:34

There's a very nice Youtube talk by Sankrant Sanu about "Why India Is Still A Colonial State".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY-E-6KsVPg

His thesis: the Indian constitution, largely based on the British Government of India Act of 1935, preserves the state structures of British colonialism.

While in many Western liberal democracies, systems like law & order, administration, justice etc. are attuned to serve (at least the great majority of) people, their counterpart systems in India even after independence are designed to control/intimidate the people and preserve the entitlements of a small and well-defined ruling class.

He gives the example of losing his passport while on a visit to NYC. Indian conjullet babus told him: "bring polis complaint, otherwise we can't do anything".

He called the local police. They sent an officer to his hotel room... he didn't even have to go to the precinct. Promptly, politely, efficiently, the required documentation was furnished to him.

Compare the experience of going to pulis thana in India. Unless you are personally connected to someone far above the head of bada saab, it's hell. Even ordinary middle-class people are driven from desk to desk, made to stand in corners, given the runaround, etc. For the great unwashed, forget it. They'll be lucky to get away with a few slaps in the face.

And then of course there's the ubiquitous, low-level corruption.

With all of this odious sarkari pressure on Indian citizens, Sanu asks, is it any wonder that they go about in great (if quiet) anger against the state? Why is state property the first thing to be burned or smashed during a riot? Or even without a riot... how many of us have sat in a bus and seen that some previous passenger has deliberately disemboweled the seat cushions and pulled out the stuffing, for no obvious reason? Why do people throw trash everywhere and commit nuisance in public? Well, one reason is obvious enough if you think about it. A way to get back at the Man. The Man, i.e. the State and its public presence, is a thing to be feared, resented, despised. It treats us like dumb children so many of us respond to it like problem children.

So HERE's why I'm posting this on the "Pakistan Endgame" thread. This model of the State as Colonial Enforcer is something all former-British colonies of the Indian subcontinent have inherited, and must deal with. In Pakistan it is worse, because there a whole parallel reign of oppressive terror is conducted by the ISI-affiliated jihadi tanzeems.

But STILL... it's not exactly GOOD in India. Not good enough that Pakistanis can look over the border and see a haven of freedom, a system that treats most of its people with respect and dignity, a "shining city on the hill" as Reagan put it.

However, things have begun to change. The Swacchh Bharat initiative has reached out to common people to make them partners in preserving public cleanliness and hygiene (AND built toilets, thereby demonstrating the will of the State to actually SERVE the people rather than push them around while they pee). There is a LOT to reform yet... the judiciary, the pulis, and the public-facing bureaucracy most of all.

But Modi hai to mumkin hai. If Modi can give the majority of Indians a truly liberal democracy, a State that treats them respectfully and actually serves them rather than herding and whipping them like cattle, the knock-on effects will be phenomenal even in Pakistan. News travels fast. The contrast between a monstrously oppressive Allah-Army Ijjlamic Istate and a Hindutva Beacon of Freedom will be overwhelming.

Right now Pakis, like Indians, look to the West and say "oh, wouldn't it be nice if our NBJPRIE behaved like that". Yet, they also sense the cultural void and spiritual vacuum that's responsible for all kinds of social problems in the West... so they are forced with the choice of a Colonial State at home among people with ghar-waale values, or a Liberal State far away with a debased and rootless society.

Once it's obvious even at the mass level that the Yindoo State has been able to do right by its people in a way that Islamic Republics never can and never will, there will be a new model for Pakistanis to emulate. One where the State fulfills its social contract while the people also have values that their own ancestors cherished and respected. THAT, I think, will be an essential ingredient... 100% necessary, if not 100% sufficient, to accomplish the Ghar-Waapsi of Pakistanis.
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Postby UlanBatori » 08 Jun 2019 03:44

The buggers invaded Somnath not because it was a slum but precisely because people were thriving. So one should not generalize from normal humans to Pak-cretins. Even Mexico-US border, I would not say that ppl are coming over under the grand Neil Diamond dream:

Home, to a new and a shiny place
Make our bed, and we'll say our grace
Freedom's light burning warm
Freedom's light burning warm
Got a dream to take them there
They're coming to Somnath..

Hardly. They see cattle they want to steal them. They see a school building, they want to blow it up. They are Pakis, remember. Are they going to agree to be governed by a government based on VOTES? A system based on Constitutional Law? Why do u think they seceded in 1947? :rotfl:

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Postby ArjunPandit » 10 Jun 2019 15:50

Kashi wrote:I do wonder when will we see that happening. Given the Baki proclivities, they'll end up giving us an opportunity sooner or later. The question is how high up the escalation ladder will we be willing to go?

kashi sir,
my thought on this is that it is we're headed towards the isreali palestine mode over a protracted time frame.

Unless pakis return to sanity, or afghanistan situation turns so bad that US has to give them a blood money or a rabbit is pulled out from hat.

All of which are unlikely, Balakot/Uri strikes will become norm, their military capabilities will further deteriorate with the failing economy and more people will turn to wahabi jihadism due to funding from saudi...afterall sauds dont provide money for schools/univs. Future Indian military strikes will also further eliminate capital intensive assets like naval ships or radars or even F16s. If refugees turn in we must take out conclaves for refugee management else we'll have a huge penetration of enemy assets ready to disrupt the social fabric that's already stretched.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 10 Jun 2019 15:52

RDji, welcome to the forum. Your wisdom was much needed in this forum.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 10 Jun 2019 16:03

UlanBatori wrote:Themonukes are so much neater.

+1, but wont there be fallout in our northern plains, I dont mind paki loving cash-meeris getting drowned..but what's the fault of drug overdosed poonjabi's in Indiia? Having a lot of these areas under mushroom cloud (launched in retaliation..or pre-emptive) is not something preferred. That said, can India launch preemptive nook strikes now, esp after fort abbas and some planes taking load outs to KSA??? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :twisted: :twisted:

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Postby ArjunPandit » 10 Jun 2019 16:08

Meanwhile 2500 bunkers have been completed around LoC/IB in Jammu this year...an indication of which way things may be heading....

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby UlanBatori » 10 Jun 2019 17:22

^By which side?
Bunkers are defensive, needed in Jammu no doubt. I hope they get those "Snakes" from Syria/Roos to clear out minefields for sightseeing trips into scenic POK and Pakjab by tanks.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby ArjunPandit » 10 Jun 2019 18:14

I think before we get onto those trips, there are steps e.g., fate main atags atkana or pinaka uthana ....given that employment generation is a big problem...we must order two more lines of Tejas and double the production of pinaka and ATAGS. Baba kalyani .That itself will see a lot of aman ki asha from pakistan.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby UlanBatori » 11 Jun 2019 01:59

I have been reading "Is Paris Burning"? (Dang! Tragic ending: They MISSED the chance!!!) and it says that Eisenhower decided initially to bypass Paris, because liberating it would mean that he would have to put up with the rude Parisians, and that would take the equivalent resources of several divisions, and set back the war by like a few years. Do 10x for LaHore. Turned out he was right, because after they were forced to go in because of De Gaulle's machinations, this is exactly what happened. Patton ran out of fuel as a result, just 1 week from crossing the Rhine and rolling right acros Germany. Probably gave time for Germans to do the Ardennes Offensive as well, causing hajaar-hajaar casualties to the Allies.

Better strategy is called the Warsaw Strategy adopted by the Red Army. They just stood outside/ went around while the Germans reduced the city to rubble. Nicely eliminated all street fighting, used up most of the Germans' ammo and damaged and bogged down their armor, and left far fewer to feed.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby KJo » 11 Jun 2019 02:05

I don't see any Paki land coming back to the motherland. The pre-req for this is the people should not come with it, and unless there is ethnic cleansing (highly unlikely), this will not happen.
At most, I think the country will break up into 4 countries, Sindh and B'stan going off, and the legacy of the crazy pakis carried by the Pakjabis.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby ArjunPandit » 11 Jun 2019 02:09

^^we can try to sanitize the ground using Pinaka/Grad and ATAGS. Border areas around punjab should be doable. The costs is waht we need to keep in mind


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