Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby Klaus » 11 Mar 2019 16:32

darshhan wrote:
Klaus wrote:SpecOps forces will need to take out all nuke storage sites/silos, enrichment & processing facilities as well as start removing/dismantling as many tactical nukes as possible. India & Israel need to jointly work on this. Multiple teams need to be working simultaneously and independently to achieve a common goal. KSA shouldnt be in a position to freely ferry these nukes from KSA to TSP, back and forth depending on the situation. We need to make this prospect very unviable for all the stakeholders of nuclear proliferation, theft and blackmail (TSP, Cheen, KSA and NoKo).


Special forces by themselves cant do all of this.


We need teams embedded deep inside TSP for this. Some of these ops can be carried out in quick raids, some other heists need long term assets based in TSP.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby ArjunPandit » 11 Mar 2019 16:48

Can bakistan bomb the strategic reserves by 3.5 fathers? KSA/UAE? In all their terror ventures these have always been sacrosanct. Won't having a big facility around Mumbai from KSA/UAE ensure its survival. For enhanced safety we can have qurans put up over them during wartime. Like in one of battles guys pasted koran pages over their swords to avoid being beheaded, given that they were outnumbered. Just curious. would that be against any sort of military convention/ethic?

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby ArjunPandit » 11 Mar 2019 17:08

Karan M wrote:If 50,00,000 Bakis stampede across the IB what will you do? A full blown collapse must be averted while putting them on n even bigger boil(er).

i know sir this is a big problem. No wall/fence can stop such large numbers. This needs to be addressed through a managed collapse. And that is why post endgame is important. We need to cultivate capable leaders in hurriyat style to toe our line and are democratic enough. Faces like Altaf husain or bugtis in balochistan can be leading figures who use the existing set up so that the spill over is managed. Yes there will be crores coming to India. That's why military in Rajasthan is important. Punjab is densely populated and J&K will be more easily managed. Our sea lanes should be reasonably well covered. But always great to hear and learn from you. Havent seen you here as much as I would have liked to.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby banrjeer » 11 Mar 2019 20:18

There cannot be the regular refugee type scenario. But a legal “opt in” agreement with collateral land or assets and denial of rights for any violation. they opt out of Sharia. If they play by the rules they come better out than before.

The subcontinent has a dense and layered social structure. militarily conquest will never be enough.
It’s always been divide and conquer from ambhi vs porus to siraj us Daulah vs jagat seth and so forth.

India cannot ignore otherwise India’s assets get devalued long term.

What has woked in the past.

Even if indirect Pakistan’s foundation owes a lot to jiziya a transformative tool.

The east India company lured the jagat Seths with lower taxes and got a better foot hold.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby Austin » 11 Mar 2019 22:24

Zaid Hamid response in release of Indian Pilot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9KHtWNo-y4

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby ArjunPandit » 11 Mar 2019 22:43

Austin wrote:Zaid Hamid response in release of Indian Pilot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9KHtWNo-y4

this is a very light hearted threat, Red shift guy is all what we need!

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby SBajwa » 11 Mar 2019 23:24

UlanBatori wrote:I have my problems with the "90% of households get ModiLP" claim. About 70% of "households" don't get counted in the "90%", but this is not the place to argue that. India-TSP roughly equal-equal in the state of the rural population, though yes, huge strides have been made since 2014. Hugely OT here, except that Ending TSP is essential for Rajasthan, border parts of Punjab & Gujarat, all of J&K, all to have a chance for peaceful, undisturbed development. Also the other states, by permitting a stand-down from the extreme costs of having to always ward off the pests across the border.

Give Peace a Chance...



farmers in Punjab and Haryana own more Luxury cars than all of Bakistan. Surat and Ludhiana are among the top 10 cities in India selling Luxury cards.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby UlanBatori » 12 Mar 2019 01:22

Realities are very different in rural Andhra/Telangana, much of TamilNadu (though some parts are like Punjab in wealth I think), UP, Bihar, Northeast, Rajasthan, Odisha, W.Bengal, Chattisgarh, Jharkhand, maybe MP.
While many in Malloostan drive luxury cars on the $$ sent by relatives slaving in Gelf and Saudi, and building houses (more like high-rise monstosities with biss-boor parking, waste disposal and utilities) with money sent back by said people, half of Bengal and Bihar are working in the fields of Malloostan to send back a few rupees to their relatives back home.
We need to stop the bleeding to subsidize stone-throwers in J&K, and buying Bofors shells to give Aid to Pakistan, so that we can take care of these.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby Klaus » 12 Mar 2019 01:36

A failed TSP with a dismantled TSPA will be more like Mali/Sierra Leone/Liberia with UNHCR and health workers from various global orgs crawling all over the place thanks to the explosion of pandemics like ebola, all mosquito borne diseases, AIDS and other STD's. We will need private militias and warlords in there to run the show for a while and prevent a stampede across the IB. I'm pretty sure Iran, Afghans, Turks and central Asia will try and parachute their own militias down there on the lawless piece of real estate. Harsh decisions related to population control will need to be undertaken to limit the demographic jihad. We will still need military raids and pre-emptive strikes to take out any enemies in the making- mowing the lawn periodically as Israel likes to call it.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby banrjeer » 12 Mar 2019 02:23

Unlike Bangladesh, India cannot afford to break up Pakistan and walk away.
That would be dangerous. The circumstances and location are very different.

Even if the Balochistan or Sindh don't join India, their defense still has to be managed by India. or have a relationship like that with Bhutan. Panjab and POK can remain as a Sharia governed Islamic Utopia if they so please.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby ArjunPandit » 12 Mar 2019 05:06

^^banarjeeR yes every circumstance is different. We all can move from the presumption.
1. There is no reason why their defence should be managed by India. Nepal, BD, SL and most other Indics are doing just fine. No reason why we should get involved.
2. Even If we have to hopefully it will be on the basis of tax arrangements. Also, the primary security requirements will be of policing or paramiltary/RR in case there is a terrorism. Again all can be managed by reduced reqmts at the pakistani border. It will be manpower heavy rather than teeth eqpmnt heavy
3. Getting POK back is essential for our water supplies and to stabilize Afghanistan. So no way it can be allowed to remain the way it is today

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby UlanBatori » 12 Mar 2019 06:34

This is all so much dhoti-shivering. The process is straightforward. Once the central kleptocracy of Pindi/IslooGood is shattered, Balwaristan govt is supported to implement UN resolutions, and rid FPOK of all post-1948 settlers; property rights revert to descendants of 1948 inhabitants. Enforced by presence of Indian military. Next, Balwaristan joins India.

J&K opened for Indian citizens to migrate, set up shop, and develop. Valley denizens are given a choice: pack and leave for Pakjab, or stay and be Indians. Of course, open borders across all of J&K incl. FPOK.

Bring in people to shift the demographic balance, no shyness needed there. This is how Deep South of Yoo Ess became Republican as in Yankee. Boston/ Maine families such as Dubya's became big landowners in Texas and Florida, once Confederate states. Same can work in J&K. Development speaks, once Paki terrorism is flushed out.

Sindh will also I believe merge with Guj., with a lot of migration of smart bania ppl into Sindh. Imagine Reliance plant in Karachi (oops! Baloch pipeline-inflators will have to be given alternative professions). Sindh-Balochistan can be at peace, I see no reason for conflict. Pakjabis can pay transit tax for goods shipped across Balwaristan, Balochistan, Sindh and Wagah-Attari, and muzzafarabad/Sialkot.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby banrjeer » 12 Mar 2019 10:02

ArjunPandit wrote:^^banarjeeR yes every circumstance is different. We all can move from the presumption.
1. There is no reason why their defence should be managed by India. Nepal, BD, SL and most other Indics are doing just fine. No reason why we should get involved.
2. Even If we have to hopefully it will be on the basis of tax arrangements. Also, the primary security requirements will be of policing or paramiltary/RR in case there is a terrorism. Again all can be managed by reduced reqmts at the pakistani border. It will be manpower heavy rather than teeth eqpmnt heavy
3. Getting POK back is essential for our water supplies and to stabilize Afghanistan. So no way it can be allowed to remain the way it is today



Some diffs:

1) The Chinese have to expend large amounts of fuel and capital to project any influence in Lanka, Nepal and Bangladesh with little to gain.
which is why they are in Pakistan and Gwadar in the first place.

2) Also Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Nepal don't share borders with radicalized people.

3) Iran is preoccupied westwards squandering power, barking up the wrong tree with Israel. Let's not assume this will always last.

As for POK eventually yes, but India has mismanaged there, hobbled with artlcle 370 and and face-off with China. It's better to have a clean start elsewhere to serve as an example even to Kashmiris. After any trauma, Pakjabis will need a comfy security blanky when they sleep and suck their thumbs.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby Klaus » 12 Mar 2019 10:15

PoK has a lot of landmines, some old, some recent. Its going to be a nightmare situation for cleaning up and sanitizing the entire strip of land. Not entirely true in the case of Gilgit-Baltistan though.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby ArjunPandit » 12 Mar 2019 22:08

banrjeer wrote:
ArjunPandit wrote:^^...

Some diffs:
1) The Chinese have to expend large amounts of fuel and capital to project any influence in Lanka, Nepal and Bangladesh with little to gain.
which is why they are in Pakistan and Gwadar in the first place.

Well they have still done it. Capital was the least of chinese worries and it will be so unti the bubble starts bursting. As for gain, economic yes little. But militarily, keeping India engaged in their own backyard is a strong reason for them to stay invested. They will continue to do so unless there is a massive economic collapse like that due to great leap forward. Again the point where we started was Balochis can manage themselves, we can support them in the process. No need for us to keep an army there. We can be net security cover provider but not US like holding forces over there for nation building.

banrjeer wrote:2) Also Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Nepal don't share borders with radicalized people.

They had enough Nepal, SL & BD had enough military problems of varied nature. Not necessarily radicalized but millitancy was a problem. BD may be the least but under Zia it was a nuisance for us. Not that it was major but still. Again, just as these countries have managed without material Indian military presence, they have survived. New splinters will survive too.

banrjeer wrote:3) Iran is preoccupied westwards squandering power, barking up the wrong tree with Israel. Let's not assume this will always last.

In the US world order, that will be the case. We are not talking of a 100 year scenario. Even if it changes, it's impact on our direct interests needs to be seen. Even if it starts looking eastwards, assuming it will reach the boundaries to today's India will be a stretch. Even more will be to challenge India militarily. There's huge buffer through balochistan and sindh. Not to forget, Iran has to be and will be an important part of the endgame. There's no way it can be left without a bounty. GIven the current situation, I doubt it would part with any land in Balochistan sistan for any other land. That's a good reason why Iranians might be wary of any endgame. Do they absorb entire Balochistan? Not possible, under US world order. So some give and take needs to be worked out. That will be a question for future stage. Pakis are a problem for them too. This much both India and Iran would agree and move forward to solve for now. Remaining questions are best answered in future, including the future of Chinese investments in Gwadar and other places.

banrjeer wrote:As for POK eventually yes, but India has mismanaged there, hobbled with artlcle 370 and and face-off with China. It's better to have a clean start elsewhere to serve as an example even to Kashmiris. After any trauma, Pakjabis will need a comfy security blanky when they sleep and suck their thumbs.

Again whats the point, POK needs to come to India to ensure a stable access to our rivers and Afghania, period. When pak problem is gone, so will be 370 and other associated regulations. That is essential for Afghan stabilization and that will happen. When does 370 end, if modi comes with full majority, next term just before pakistan's burial.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby ArjunPandit » 12 Mar 2019 22:11

UlanBatori wrote:Next, Balwaristan joins India.

finally figured out balwaristan. Dont you think the sequence should be opposite? Curious to hear why you think it should be the opposite ;)

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby Vikas » 12 Mar 2019 22:24

Pakistan will always be a failing state but never a failed state. There is too much of civilizational history in the region to go down under on its own. Punjab and Sind will pull rest of the Bakistan along while ruling over it.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby UlanBatori » 12 Mar 2019 22:41

This "50,000 swaming across" is an old threat. Back in 2000 JKLF announced that 20,000 sh1ts would swarm across. Evil RAA Agints-e-PeeArefi put out the "newsflash" that PA intended to machine-gun them from behind to urge them on and allege jenn-o-cide by yindoos. March was cancelled at last minute.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby UlanBatori » 12 Mar 2019 22:49

ArjunPandit wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:Next, Balwaristan joins India.

finally figured out balwaristan. Dont you think the sequence should be opposite? Curious to hear why you think it should be the opposite ;)


Because the present population of Balwaristan wants freedom from Pakjabis, they **DO NOT** want merger with India. Don't waste time imagining otherwise. Demographics and indoctrination are too heavily Pakjabi, L-e-T and Pashtun, which is 80% of the cause for resentment.

So the demographics have to be changed in a "quasi-free" Balwaristan. UN resolution was that UN resolution should be enforced/administered by INDIA. So enforce/administer it. Kick the Pakjabis out, welcome/faciliate the Pathans to go back to newly-free Pakhtoonistan which will need them to invade LaHore.

Once demographics have been shifted to be heavily pro-Indian/ dependent on Indian power and laws, then, like Sikkim... IOW, think Sikkim, not Goa or Hyderabad, though the threat of the latter must be flaunted right up there.

OTOH, ***NEVER*** let Balwaristan have full independence. Fatal to J&K. Next thing u know, Unkil and Eleven will be competing to build air force bases there.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby Suraj » 12 Mar 2019 23:44

Here are two charts demonstrating where TSP is today and will be in 3 years:

Where Will Global GDP Growth Come From in the Next Five Years?
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TSP accounts for <1% of world economic output growth THIS year, whereas India just overtook USA as the 2nd biggest contributor. By 2022-23, TSP no longer even shows up as a separate count, with Bangladesh instead showing up as 1% contributor, and TSP among the collective 'rest of world combined', while India is at 2x US level by then.

Size isn't the only thing. Rate of growth matters . India is growing so big so fast, in relative terms, that TSP has long since receded into the distance in the rear view mirror. This was a country that once had almost 2x India's per capita income just a generation ago.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby ArjunPandit » 13 Mar 2019 00:45

UlanBatori wrote:This "50,000 swaming across" is an old threat. Back in 2000 JKLF announced that 20,000 sh1ts would swarm across. Evil RAA Agints-e-PeeArefi put out the "newsflash" that PA intended to machine-gun them from behind to urge them on and allege jenn-o-cide by yindoos. March was cancelled at last minute.

Wasnt this in early 90s those days of yaseen malik and who was the other head of terrorist consortium

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby Y. Kanan » 13 Mar 2019 01:34

This "50,000 swaming across" is an old threat. Back in 2000 JKLF announced that 20,000 sh1ts would swarm across. Evil RAA Agints-e-PeeArefi put out the "newsflash" that PA intended to machine-gun them from behind to urge them on and allege jenn-o-cide by yindoos. March was cancelled at last minute.


I'm so tired of this scaremongering about refugees. Israel proved you can make a border virtually airtight. All it takes is a little political will to build the fences and walls, and to use deadly force when needed. Utilize modern sensor technology and drone surveillance, make sure the troops have the authority to shoot anyone trying to get in, and you neutralize 99% of the threat.

Geography prevents us from creating a border as effective as Israel's, but it doesn't have to be. If if the odds of getting shot are just 40 or 50%, infiltration will be effectively ended. Forget the human cost; jihadis just can't afford to throw away equipment and trained operators like that. You go to all the trouble planning an attack, equip your rats accordingly, and half the time they get wasted crossing over into India. That's unacceptable from the enemy's point of view. The Pakis have endless people to throw away, but not limitless resources.

As for legit refugees, they're even easier to stop. Tear gas first, then shoot a few of them. The rest will scatter; these are civilians not militants. Job done. All you need is a little political will to withstand the withering criticism from international media and our own political left. Political will is something we Indians should be positively overflowing with at the moment.

My point is, fear of refugees is NOT a legitimate reason to fear the collapse of Pakistan.

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Postby UlanBatori » 13 Mar 2019 03:54

Arjunji, UBCN Internet history does not go back beyond 1998. May 1998, 2 b precise. As for JKLF, UBCN remains noncommittal. Consider this quote from Wikipedia:
The group carried out the hijacking of Ganga, an Indian Airlines plane flying from Srinagar to Jammu, in January 1971, and diverted it to Lahore. The Pakistan government returned all the passengers and crew to India, and subsequently tried the hijackers and several members of NLF on charges of being Indian agents. Khan was imprisoned in a Gilgit prison during 1970–72, released after protests broke out. Maqbool Bhat was released in 1974, and he crossed over into the Indian-administered Kashmir where he was arrested in a bank robbery.


The common feature of nearly every act attributed to JKLF is that it has resulted in a long-term favorable outcome for India. Of course nothing good can be said about the murder of diplomat Shri Mhatre, and several other murders etc. But consider why Terroristan put him on trial.
The IA hijacking led directly to the stoppage of overflights across India, and thence directly to the collapse of PA in East Pakistan. HIGHLY fortuitous, because without such an ironclad excuse (TSP support to hijackers) IATA and YooEss etc would have slammed India for the overflight ban. JKLF gave that excuse: no wonder the Pakis were livid when they realized what had happened.
The Y2K threat to swarm the LOC with 20,000 nutcases was a stunt in the same spirit.

Either they are highly talented buffoons ... or something else. Anyway, having them in Terroristan is like having another 3 aircraft carriers in the Indian fleet.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 13 Mar 2019 04:37

^^YK while agreeing to your general post, the size of palestine v/s pakistan and the scales involved makes it a bit challeging. You kill 100 (esp with US support) over a long period of time, it's a Human rights violation. You kill 100,000 in an year that's a genocide. If those are one of the communities, You'll have all the liberals gloating over you. Not that I read NYT, but that becmes the talk fo the town.

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Postby UlanBatori » 13 Mar 2019 07:52

In POK, no need to genocide the Pakjabis and Pathans. Do a Mukti Bahini job on the Balwaristanis, and they will ensure quick exit of Pakjabis. Pathans I suspect will drift home to Pakhtoonistan if winds are favorable. Anyway, need to get them all out, and pro-India demographics injected, b4 any elections are held.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 13 Mar 2019 19:14

UlanBatori wrote:In POK, no need to genocide the Pakjabis and Pathans. Do a Mukti Bahini job on the Balwaristanis, and they will ensure quick exit of Pakjabis. Pathans I suspect will drift home to Pakhtoonistan if winds are favorable. Anyway, need to get them all out, and pro-India demographics injected, b4 any elections are held.

WIll the martial race leave so quickly. reminding of a dialogue from Ranjhana
"Agar launda yahan bhi haar jayega to fir jeetega kahan?" Is UP hindi kosher in Ulanbator?
I think for this sacred objective we can lubricate our democratic and human right credentials the way americans lubricated in Iraq.

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Postby UlanBatori » 13 Mar 2019 19:35

The reason why the Brave 90,000 surrendered to the IA in 1971 is the answer to your pooch. They may have been willing to "mar jayega" but not the way they had done to the Bengalis, and they expected the same back with compound interest. After all those WERE ex-Pakistanis...

This is why IA should not get hands dirty and waste bullets trying to push out the Pakjabis. Buggers will come at IA with soosai vests etc. Just be hands off and let the Balawaristan Azadi Fauj take care of it. If necessary airlift some Balochis.

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Postby UlanBatori » 13 Mar 2019 19:40

Reminds me of the awful thing that occurred to UBCN Goat-brain storming group this morning.
We argued that the observed panic and airspace closure was reminescent of the days leading to 9/11/2001, but failed to carry that analysis the remaining one step: 9/11 happened.

What are they planning this time??
They have realized that their Patrons have sold them down the river: the vaunted PAF has missiles that are no better than rocks. Their radar can't see or aim. Their jehadi hideouts are known to the enemy. There is a massive crackdown on their "assets" inside yindoostan. Their nuke bluff has been called. The constitutional scams that helped keep the Kashmiris barefoot and pregnant, and about to be tossed aside, and massive bania invasion is months away.

The Yoo Enn has torn their burkha to shreds and even the Yoo Ess has called yindoo atrocities "counter-terrorism". Guantanamo begins to look like Houristan, compared to what awaits the Jarnails....

Balochistan shows rapidly widening fractures.

Hated Yindoo Supremacists have declared election, and look on track to win 2nd term. At which point, given recent events, their mandate WILL be to finish the job.

Current YYY lovefest will rapidly transition to an alliance to keep Taliban out of Afghanistan - at which point where else will they turn except towards Pindi and LaHore?

You see my point? I don't want to sound alarmist, but I AM alarmed. We used to have a "THINK LIKE A PAKI" thread until we realized that was an oxymoron, but if you had a reptilean brain, what would be ur next step? :shock: :eek:
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Postby ArjunPandit » 13 Mar 2019 19:44

^^ubji that was rhetoric question. Coming to rhetorics, we need to also think about what to do with Paki media channels. I think the male anchors can act as stand up comedians and leave Kunal kamra jobless and motor mamas mouth can give a beating to getting old burkha butt and nidhis. Coming to the newspapers, that might be a bit more difficult as it on the ground.

Net net, this might need a holistic media strategy. Perhaps some would be part of endgame. We might need something of the type of Al Jazeera, which is slick and strikes a chord with the people there. Is that the reason why NDTV is kept alive till now?
PS: That may be the reason it gets some of the scoops no one is able to get!
PPS: May be this is too Chanakian that it borders on Pindi Chana Gas

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Postby ArjunPandit » 13 Mar 2019 19:51

Suraj wrote:Here are two charts demonstrating where TSP is today and will be in 3 years:

An american paki mama I know was surprised to know that there are direct flights from Delhi to US and of course she was more shocked to know that to multiple cities on both sides.

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Postby UlanBatori » 13 Mar 2019 19:53

I think SM beating up on MSM is having a wonderful effect. IndiaTodin calling up POKi polis station is absolutely rich. Would not have been imaginable, 10 years ago. Maybe they see that unless they accommodate the popular wave, they will be swept into irrelevance.

So I would say, focus on SM and ignore the media. Not worth trying to compete in a collapsing market. Even UBCN had to go get phone SIM changed to 4G from 0.3G or whatever we had b4. As networking speeds zoom, the relevance of MSM Networks zooms the other way: anyone can set up micro broadcasting and spread Truth (look privately at certain success examples that we shall please not cite). In the past month I frankly have not cared at all what the MSM says, they have been 1000 Twitter posts and several days behind the leading edge of The Truth. And as for the Bheshtern MSM that desh MSM used to parrot, they have been 400% 404. Which is why desh MSM is like PN: nowhere to moor and terrified of the attacks.

See, what keeps the Talking Heads fed and feted, is advertising. If I don't watch TV, and depend on Twitter, why would VIP advertise their wares on UndieTV? They should advertise on UBCN (if they can find us..) or some Twitter channel.

IOW what is happening today to Indian MSM is what "we" dearly wished we could make happen, back in the early 2000s heyday of Dar Ka Butt and her ilk. They've done it to themselves.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby ArjunPandit » 14 Mar 2019 00:00

UBji, you are looking from the perspective of India. In a goat cheez loving nation, TV & urdu newspapers could be a force multiplier. We dont want to be running a ISIS factory to our west (ok more than what's there today). This along with Madarssa/Masjid networks need to be managed. I think for that we have a good set up in the form of Waqf board and pa-jama masjid. All those red mosques need to be made blue. Chinese or the old fashioned Russian style (un)education may be required. I hate the touristification of Andamans.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby dnivas » 14 Mar 2019 00:24

UB. You are amazing . reading your posts are hilarious. Mad Mad props to you sir.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby Rudradev » 14 Mar 2019 04:35

Read this and grasp all the implications. It's a case study of how the Shadow Quadrant operates.

https://www.opindia.com/2019/03/opindia ... his-pitch/

The real Pakistan is within. That Bakistan on our Western Border could be handled in a day if our own insides weren't infected and festering with these termites.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby UlanBatori » 14 Mar 2019 06:43

Thx, dnivasji. Dealing with Pakistan can only be done with humor. One can go crazy otherwise. Fortunately the Pakis are a circus.
AP, I didn't understand: Are you thinking of how to bring civilization to the Pakis? Not in our lifetimes, sorry. 3 generations after the total destruction of the central govt of pakistan, maybe their schools will start teaching about human civilization. Maybe if half their land is incinerated by nukes, they may see the wisdom of trying to live in peace. But without all that, the best one can hope is to muddle along, and just focus on destroying Pakjab. The only Indian "culture" that they will absorb is Bollywood.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby Rudradev » 14 Mar 2019 08:53

More on the land deal linking La Famiglia via arms dealers and money launderers... directly to Pakistan.

Apparently Hafiz Saeed owns a bungalow in Gurugram!
https://twitter.com/sneheshphilip/statu ... 65061?s=19

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby syam » 14 Mar 2019 10:47

IMO we should look into our history and see how our ancestors solved these problems. Ahura Mazda was enemy of India back then. Our guys used to fight with his people for years. He had to shift his base all over the world to escape from the wrath of our ancestors. Our gran-pas employed all types of measures when dealing with the enemy. One time, our guys let locust lose on Ahura Mazda crops. It crippled their food sources. They had to shift to another place because of the hunger.

My point is, we survived thousands of years, not because we were good and soft. In fact, we started decaying after we became soft. We should go all guns blazing when dealing with Pakis.

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby ArjunPandit » 14 Mar 2019 23:33

^^syam very interesting point can you please share any link/read on these

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby ArjunPandit » 14 Mar 2019 23:36

Rudradev wrote:More on the land deal linking La Famiglia via arms dealers and money launderers... directly to Pakistan.

Apparently Hafiz Saeed owns a bungalow in Gurugram!
https://twitter.com/sneheshphilip/statu ... 65061?s=19

At one point dawooed was heavily invested in Mumbai

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Re: Endgame of NaPakistan: How and what afterwards

Postby UlanBatori » 15 Mar 2019 00:59

Any ties of La Famiglia to HS would be "explosive" hain, (pun intended). How credible, and why has the guvrmand not made arrests? I would expect to hear such news first from guvrmand/ prosecutors, not Twitter, hain?


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