2019 General Elections News and Discussion

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Picklu » 19 Apr 2019 13:02

Blr South voter.

The early rush to booth was from a segment of IT VITY crowd who wanted to do their civic duty and then leave town taking advantage of 4 days holiday. (Including a forum stalwart who shall remain unnamed :P ). However, this segment is almost 100% BJP voter and they have done their job.

The final tally of 55% is not bad given historic precedence, both in terms of voter turnout and result.

Relatively lower campaign effort from BJP but we received sms with all the necessary details 2 days before the voting day from the local mls as well as on the voting day morning by the candidate.

Given the tech savvy nature as well as commitment of the crowd I think this is a right strategy to concentrate time and effort elsewhere as needed.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Picklu » 19 Apr 2019 13:22

ramana wrote:
kit wrote:kerala is not so different from bengal despite being 100% literate
.. which sane person will vote the commies





The Bengal and Kerala vote bank for Commies is by Hindus.
The minority (Muslims+Christians+Secular Hindus) always voted for Congress.
The reason why Hindus voted for Left is they wanted a new beginning from the past and thought that was the vehicle.

Turned out its a Pied Piper to disaster.
In Bengal the Left had to be dislodged and TMC was the vehicle.
Jihadidi combined the minority+ BD vote of the Left to dislodge them.
Now her former Hindu supporters see the chance to get rid of her and took support of BJP.
In grand narrative style its the redux of the overthrow of Siraj ud daulah.

Kerala is a little more complex as the Congress retains its minority vote bank.

Will take one more iteration.

I expect Pinnaryi to unleash the PFI and his red shirts after 23 May.


However true the bolded part may be in terms of analysis, let's not mainstream that line.

That parallel to bring in British rule to overthrow Siraj will play badly among all bongs - both Hindu and Muslim. Will tarnish the BJP supporters further as traitors.

One thing everyone needs to understand is that the kind of social stigma any BJP supporter faces in WB is unparallel in rest of India barring Kerala. The RSS and Hindutva had been thoroughly demonized and dehumanized.
Yes, Bankim, Rishi Aravinda, Swami Vivekananda et all are Hindu icons but there are other equally revered Bengali icons like Raja Rammohan Roy and Iswarchandra Vidyasagar who faught for malpractices like Sati, Kulin, Bahubihaha, Jaat and segregation etc in Hindu society on pan India basis. Writers like Rabindanath and Saratchandra and even Bankim have written tomes about those malpractices.

There is a dormant fear that a Hindu resurgence can bring in those malpractices back. This is prevalent in the entire society, both urban and rural, literate and illiterate, as they have become part of social memory. And BJP supporter has an uphill battle against that fear. Let's not me his job harder.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby nits » 19 Apr 2019 13:26

chetak wrote:let us hope that this is true


Lok Sabha Election 2019 LIVE updates: Priyanka Chaturvedi resigns from all Congress posts, removes party name from Twitter bio


Priyanka Chaturvedi ✔ @priyankac19

Deeply saddened that lumpen goons get prefence in @incindia over those who have given their sweat&blood. Having faced brickbats&abuse across board for the party but yet those who threatened me within the party getting away with not even a rap on their knuckles is unfortunate.


She is joining Shiv Sena; unusual choice IMO

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby suryag » 19 Apr 2019 13:41

Good she realised it it sooner or later, thats what our hindu ladies would be subjected to in the future :(

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby jamwal » 19 Apr 2019 13:47

Why is she joining BJP ally now ? She is a born and bred type foul mouth, Hinduphobe libtard. She'll be a liability for NDA.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby rhytha » 19 Apr 2019 14:13

The BJP worker in UP lost heart today

As Phase Two polls come to a close, the Gathbandhan and the Congress have a lot to celebrate in Uttar Pradesh. The BJP worker knew this by noon today.


We have been tracking a sample of polling booths today to try and understand who was showing up as part of the overall turnout numbers the Election Commission releases. (To be clear: we are not asking questions or carrying out an exit poll).

First, the turnout numbers as of 7pm:

Constituency 2014 Turnout 2019 Turnout
Agra 59.06 59.6
Aligarh 59.48 62.8
Amroha 71 68.77
Hathras 59.78 61.25
Bulandshahr 58.33 62.14
Fatehpur Sikri 61.29 61.16
Mathura 64.33 60.56
Nagina 67.83 62.1
As we look at these numbers there are three things that are abundantly clear:

The anti-UPA vote that converted the pro-Modi vote to a tsunami that swept aside all contenders in 2014 is missing in Uttar Pradesh. Without it, the BJP is only competitive in its traditional burroughs.

Secondly, there is still a group of people voting for Mr Modi (versus the classical BJP voter) — typically young voters who are deeply attracted to the idea of a strong leader — but there is also a group of voters who voted for him in 2014 who are not voting for the BJP this time.

Thirdly, it’s these voters who’re staying home who are tipping the scales.

As we analysed trends emerging from the booths we are tracking, we believe it is now safe to presume that a significant portion of the Jat vote that is turning out is not voting for the BJP. The Dalit vote and Muslim also seems to have consolidated behind the Gathbandhan.

What surprised us today was how chatter amongst BJP workers died out between around 10 and 12 in the morning today. By the late afternoon, the BJP worker was openly saying there is no Modi wave left and were expressing a sense of betrayal — some of it directed towards their own party, but a lot of it towards voters they felt were betraying the country by not voting for Mr Modi.

We are doubling down on our pre-election models where we had predicted the BJP was being over-indexed, and the Congress under-indexed. While pollsters did their best to predict outcomes for the SP-BSP-RLD Gathbandhan, almost all of them wondered about how votes would transfer. We believe that a model only based on raw vote-share numbers also naturally under-indexes the Gathbandhan.

Use the vote share modifiers on our Poll Arithmetic map to address this and see what kind of a map you end up with.

If this performance continues in the next two phases, we believe the media narrative towards the Gathbandhan will shift and start calling it a “masterful political stroke” or some such moniker.

Five more phases to go, and the fun is just beginning,

https://anthro.ai/indianelections/notes ... art-today/

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Karthik S » 19 Apr 2019 14:15

rhytha wrote:The BJP worker in UP lost heart today
https://anthro.ai/indianelections/notes ... art-today/


Some background of this site ??

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby sunnyP » 19 Apr 2019 14:18

Re Chaturvedi;

Spewed hate against Hindus for all these years then joins the Shiv Sena. Why even let her join, not as if she’s some political heavyweight?

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 19 Apr 2019 14:27

Just to shut her up and expose the hypocrisy of INC, otherwise they would have tried to make her retract her statements if there was no other choice. And also to possible whistle blowers in the C-system, if you have something important don't hide it.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Lilo » 19 Apr 2019 14:51

Karthik S wrote:
rhytha wrote:The BJP worker in UP lost heart today
https://anthro.ai/indianelections/notes ... art-today/

Some background of this site ??

The motivation of the guy who came up with that tripe can be easily seen if one scans this schmuck Narendra Nag's twitter timeline.
https://twitter.com/narendranag
Co-Founder @anthroai Data-driven strategy consultant. Twenty-years of experience across multiple markets. Believe in #AI #Privacy #UBI #Multilateralism.
"Data-driven estratagey consultant" hain ji :rotfl:
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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Shivaji » 19 Apr 2019 14:51

Karthik S wrote:
rhytha wrote:The BJP worker in UP lost heart today
https://anthro.ai/indianelections/notes ... art-today/


Some background of this site ??


Article is written by one Narendra Nag. His twitter ID is:

https://twitter.com/narendranag?lang=en

His retweets and posts have strong Sekular and anti-Modi bias. All his posts and retweets are of the likes of SVaradrajan, Sanjay Jha, Guha...

Not a reliable source imho.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Sicanta » 19 Apr 2019 14:53

Karthik S wrote:
rhytha wrote:The BJP worker in UP lost heart today
https://anthro.ai/indianelections/notes ... art-today/


Some background of this site ??


Going through his Twitter feed, seems like typical media wala trying to move up the hierarchy by making predictions and hoping they come true.

But even keeping that aside, what data points has he released except easily available voting % and making generalizations on that basis?

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby tushar_m » 19 Apr 2019 15:10

Karthik S wrote:
rhytha wrote:The BJP worker in UP lost heart today
https://anthro.ai/indianelections/notes ... art-today/


Some background of this site ??



No whois info. on the website . But it looks like a anti-BJP websites as all the articles lead to it.

Research (Political Science) Internship in Hyderabad at STELLAR CONSULTANCY (Anthro.ai)
STELLAR CONSULTANCY (Anthro.ai)Hyderabad, IN

https://in.linkedin.com/jobs/view/resea ... 1086729293

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby rohitv » 19 Apr 2019 15:15

Karthik S wrote:
rhytha wrote:The BJP worker in UP lost heart today
https://anthro.ai/indianelections/notes ... art-today/


Some background of this site ??


Raheel Khursheed ex-Twitter India works here. Enough said.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby rohitv » 19 Apr 2019 15:17

Lilo wrote:
Karthik S wrote:Some background of this site ??

The motivation of the guy who came up with that tripe can be easily seen if one scans this schmuck Narendra Nag's twitter timeline.
https://twitter.com/narendranag
Co-Founder @anthroai Data-driven strategy consultant. Twenty-years of experience across multiple markets. Believe in #AI #Privacy #UBI #Multilateralism.
"Data-driven estratagey consultant" hain ji :rotfl:


Would request Rakshaks here to reply on Narendra Nag and Raheel Khursheed twitter feed that BJP has swept first two phases.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Karthik S » 19 Apr 2019 16:53

Guys, what do you make of Sadhvi Pragya ji's remarks on karkare? Will it cause fence sitters to go the other way? Do people know about it before hand?

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Lilo » 19 Apr 2019 16:55

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So i searched "Modi interview" in youtube just now & note how youtube pushed a "factcheck" by BIF presstitute Quint which sat at the top of my search results.
This is the level of support BIF is getting from overseas globalists to do anti-Modi propaganda.

The factcheck itself is full of lies & half truths by targeting few selected statements of Modi out of context & rating the whole interview of the PM as "FALSE" in capitals.
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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Paul » 19 Apr 2019 16:55

How many voters in Bhopal would know of Karkare and his background.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Karthik S » 19 Apr 2019 17:01

If that's a statement, I get it. But I hope, in the process of conveying her ordeal, hope she doesn't forget bigger picture, that is to win elections.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Mukesh.Kumar » 19 Apr 2019 17:04

Karthik S wrote:Guys, what do you make of Sadhvi Pragya ji's remarks on karkare? Will it cause fence sitters to go the other way? Do people know about it before hand?


Don't know situation on ground in Bhopal. That may justify this. But in my opinion this was entirely avoidable. Not too many outlawing know of the conspiracy in mainstream. And even then fewer would relate to the HK point. Her anguish i can understand but for mango junta it can backfire. If nothing it can be another Smriti Irani moment.

But now that it is said it's said. Let's move on.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Rahul M » 19 Apr 2019 17:09

Mukesh.Kumar wrote:
Karthik S wrote:Guys, what do you make of Sadhvi Pragya ji's remarks on karkare? Will it cause fence sitters to go the other way? Do people know about it before hand?


Don't know situation on ground in Bhopal. That may justify this. But in my opinion this was entirely avoidable. Not too many outlawing know of the conspiracy in mainstream. And even then fewer would relate to the HK point. Her anguish i can understand but for mango junta it can backfire. If nothing it can be another Smriti Irani moment.

But now that it is said it's said. Let's move on.

in spite of what she had to go through, that should not be the sole plank of her campaign. She has to show a vision of a better future, more so than any other BJP candidate perhaps, because media would be ready to pounce. BJP machinery should shephard her through it.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Mukesh.Kumar » 19 Apr 2019 17:13

Kati wrote:
Mukesh.Kumar wrote:
++1 Singhaji. You hit the nail on the head. It's the same goons running the show mostly. But under garb of TMC.

The dissonance we see is partly because some of the goons (intellectual and street, both) from the Left were left out in the field by Didi. That's why the tightly controlled narrative of no violence is breaking down.


Let me tell you all one thing -
Bengal is changing slowly....If not this time, next time for sure BJP will wrestle the power here....
Left's demise and Mamata's rise has been a blessing for Sangh in Bengal which saw its historic rise. Within two years of Left's fall, Sangh's number of shakas increased by 300%. Earlier, the Left systematically killed Sanghis, and put all sorts of roadblocks for Sangh's expansions. ....
Now, Mamtaz Begum is trying her best to counter Sangh's rise. But since her's is a one person party, and factional infighting is rising monotonically, many TMC insiders are getting disgusted. Hence it's just a matter of time for BJP to come to power. The more the turbulence happen, the more Mumtaz Begum will pander to the green, and that will turn more the Hindus against her. It may not be visible in urban areas, but for sure happening in rural areas.


আপনার মুখে আলু পোস্ত. I so much want BB's tweet to come true.


Rahul M wrote:Dr Praveen Patil
‏ @5Forty3

Stating this purely on numbers.
Despite all the reports of rigging, booth capturing and intimidation tactics by TMC

BJP has swept the first 2 phases of Bengal. Each and every seat, by considerable margin! #BOOM

(Shyama Prasad Mukherjee must be smiling somewhere)
========

holy **** !
even if they manage to get 40-0% of the 42 seats, that would be HUGE !

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Mukesh.Kumar » 19 Apr 2019 17:15

Rahul M wrote:in spite of what she had to go through, that should not be the sole plank of her campaign. She has to show a vision of a better future, more so than any other BJP candidate perhaps, because media would be ready to pounce. BJP machinery should shephard her through it.


Rahulji you hit the nail on the head. She had to come out as a winged person but level headed. That way people won't be afraid that she will turn into a vendetta seeker. Final count we'r have to take the soft centrist fence sitters along too.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Ardeshir » 19 Apr 2019 17:18

Karthik S wrote:
rhytha wrote:The BJP worker in UP lost heart today
https://anthro.ai/indianelections/notes ... art-today/


Some background of this site ??

Saar, this is owned by Modi-hating, Hurriyat-loving, Pak-pasand scumbag Raheel Khurshid.
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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Supratik » 19 Apr 2019 18:18

shravan wrote:
Supratik wrote:The term Hindutva was coined by a Bengali much before Savarkar. The icons were/are Bankim, Vivekananda and Aurobindo.


I always thought hindutva was coined by Savarkar



It was coined by Chandranath Basu before Savarkar. However, the philosophy was defined by Savarkar first.

https://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/colum ... on-2411145

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Rahul M » 19 Apr 2019 18:30

Mukesh.Kumar wrote:আপনার মুখে আলু পোস্ত. I so much want BB's tweet to come true.

ধন্যবাদ !
60 years of darkness finally clearing ? I sure hope so.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby chetak » 19 Apr 2019 18:34

Rahul M wrote:

how does it matter ?

anyway, as someone on twitter wrote, this will be another natak, RaGa will intervene and take her back after some token disciplinary action against the offending partymen and media will sing paeans to the women rights activist RaGa and try to dominate the airwaves.


rats, sinking ships and all that.

She has formally joined the shiv sena today and was publicly welcomed by their head goon.

she would definitely have tried the BJP doors first before settling on the ss.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Lilo » 19 Apr 2019 18:50

Mukesh.Kumar wrote:
Rahul M wrote:in spite of what she had to go through, that should not be the sole plank of her campaign. She has to show a vision of a better future, more so than any other BJP candidate perhaps, because media would be ready to pounce. BJP machinery should shephard her through it.
Rahulji you hit the nail on the head. She had to come out as a winged person but level headed. That way people won't be afraid that she will turn into a vendetta seeker. Final count we'r have to take the soft centrist fence sitters along too.
The Sadhvi must speak her mind freely - she was tortured beaten & confined for 9 years.She suffered a spinal fracture during torture & breast cancer during her confinement.All this just to force her to name big names in BJP/RSS to taint them with"Hindu terror" bogey while the astitva of larger Hindu society "bhaad mein jayein" being the congie thinking.

In five years or more people get used to benign behavior of BJP govts conducting themselves under the limits of Rajdharma - they forget how vindictive congress will be in stamping out any Hindutva opposition to its sickular regime when it comes to power.This complacency & forgetfulness is how MP & Rajasthan were lost to congies with few thousand votes difference.

The Sadhvi just needs to recount her experiences in her own words about the brutal nature of a Congress regime towards any one who calls himself/herself a proud Hindu and refuses to prostrate in front of the Sickular altars of the Congie regime.

Hindus tend to be a forgetful bunch - they need to be reminded the ramifications of being powerless under a Congress/Sickular regime.

They can forget the thousands of Hindu Sadhus killed in Delhi during the anti-cow slaughter agitation by Indira Gandhi.
Then the thousands of RSS & Sangh people who disappeared or made into walking dead during the Emergency.
Or the Mullahyam's massed killing of karsevaks and dumping their bodies in Sarayu in 1990 two years before Babri demolition.
Or the waves of terror attacks in Mumbai aimed at ordinary Hindus dispatching hundreds at a time starting from the Mumbai bomb blasts.

Let the Sadhvi remind how the bogey of "Hindu Terror" was foisted on Hindus when they are being battered by Islamist terror attacks both homegrown & paki sourced.
The congress regime unwilling to take decisive action against the Pakis & their Islamist votebanks of SIMI,IM etc in India decided to do an equal equal by inventing "Saffron terror" - seeking to hide their powerlessness against the Islamists by portraying Jihadi Terrorism to be merely a reaction against "Hindu terror" .
They chalked out the Communal violence Bill which labeled Hindus as perpetrators of violence while Muslims as the perennial designated victims .
Now the congress manifesto 2019 promises similar legislation called MASUKA where the sickular congie narrative of India having turned into a "lynchistan" against the minorities in the past five years is made permanent.This narrative was thankfully confined to media & presstitutes with Law never according it legitimacy.But now Congies will be giving it a legal backing under via the MASUKA legislation promised by in its 2019 manifesto.Significantly MASUKA amongst other things defines victims as those who have suffered even ‘mental and psychological harm’ by the "majoritarian mobs".
Under the MASUKA legislation ..... Most significantly, the victims of ‘hate crimes’ invariably turn out to be members of the minority community according to ‘civil society‘ even when the motivations aren’t religious. Similarly, Hindus are not called victims of hate crimes even when the motivations are religious.
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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby chanakyaa » 19 Apr 2019 18:56

sunnyP wrote:Re Chaturvedi;

Spewed hate against Hindus for all these years then joins the Shiv Sena. Why even let her join, not as if she’s some political heavyweight?

Good move by Shiv Sena. For someone like P-Chat there are not many national parties where she can count on any future. She can be used leveraged to expose Kangressi C-system and atyachar on women ityadi ityadi on MSM. NDA can shoot at Kangress using P-Chat over Shiv Sena’s shoulder. After the reformation of Modi sarkar for the second term, P-Chat will be useful to bury what will be left of Kangress, in preparation of 3rd term. May be she gets to prove her usefulness over next 4 years and take new avatar.

On a side note, Chaturvedis are those who mastered/read four vedas, right?

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby chandrasekaran » 19 Apr 2019 19:06

Offtopic: Yes Chaturvedi means that - but it's no mean task to master all the 4 vedas. Maybe one of her forefathers did that centuries back.... Absolutely no relation whatsoever to this lady's character

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby chetak » 19 Apr 2019 19:13

Lilo wrote:
Mukesh.Kumar wrote:Rahulji you hit the nail on the head. She had to come out as a winged person but level headed. That way people won't be afraid that she will turn into a vendetta seeker. Final count we'r have to take the soft centrist fence sitters along too.
The Sadhvi must speak her mind freely - she was tortured beaten & confined for 9 years.She suffered a spinal fracture during torture & breast cancer during her confinement.All this just to force her to name big names in BJP/RSS to taint them with"Hindu terror" bogey while the astitva of larger Hindu society "bhaad mein jayein" being the congie thinking.

In five years or more people get used to benign behavior of BJP govts conducting themselves under the limits of Rajdharma - they forget how vindictive congress will be in stamping out any Hindutva opposition to its sickular regime when it comes to power.This complacency & forgetfulness is how MP & Rajasthan were lost to congies with few thousand votes difference.

The Sadhvi just needs to recount her experiences in her own words about the brutal nature of a Congress regime towards any one who calls himself/herself a proud Hindu and refuses to prostrate in front of the Sickular altars of the Congie regime.

Hindus tend to be a forgetful bunch - they need to be reminded the ramifications of being powerless under a Congress/Sickular regime.

They can forget the thousands of Hindu Sadhus killed in Delhi during the anti-cow slaughter agitation by Indira Gandhi.
Then the thousands of RSS & Sangh people who disappeared or made into walking dead during the Emergency.
Or the Mullahyam's massed killing of karsevaks and dumping their bodies in Sarayu in 1990 two years before Babri demolition.
Or the waves of terror attacks in Mumbai aimed at ordinary Hindus dispatching hundreds at a time starting from the Mumbai bomb blasts.

Let the Sadhvi remind how the bogey of "Hindu Terror" was foisted on Hindus when they are being battered by Islamist terror attacks both homegrown & paki sourced.
The congress regime unable to take decisive action against the Pakis & their Islamist votebanks of SIMI,IM etc in India decided to do an equal equal by inventing "Saffron terror" - seeking to hide their powerlessness against the Islamists by portraying Jihadi Terrorism to be merely a reaction against "Hindu terror" .
They chalked out the Communal violence Bill which labeled Hindus as perpetrators of violence while Muslims as the perennial designated victims .
Now the congress manifesto 2019 promises similar legislation called MASUKA where the sickular congie narrative of India having turned into a "lynchistan" against the minorities in the past five years is made permanent.This narrative was thankfully confined to media & presstitutes with Law never according it legitimacy.But now Congies will be giving it a legal backing under via the MASUKA legislation promised by in its 2019 manifesto.Significantly MASUKA amongst other things defines victims as those who have suffered even ‘mental and psychological harm’ by the "majoritarian mobs".
Under the MASUKA legislation ..... Most significantly, the victims of ‘hate crimes’ invariably turn out to be members of the minority community according to ‘civil society‘ even when the motivations aren’t religious. Similarly, Hindus are not called victims of hate crimes even when the motivations are religious.




what about respect for the living??
when do we talk about that and the survivors??
In that Op, the ONLY police personnel who deserved the award was Tukaram Omble.


tweet by the IPS association

Ashok Chakra awardee late Sri Hemant Karkare, IPS made the supreme sacrifice fighting terrorists. Those of us in uniform condemn the insulting statement made by a candidate and demand that sacrifices of all our martyrs be respected.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby UlanBatori » 19 Apr 2019 19:17

Ardeshir wrote:Saar, this is owned by Modi-hating, Hurriyat-loving, Pak-pasand scumbag Raheel Khurshid.

I was trying to look at numbers of voters that were within 2 to 3 percent and seeing how this jeenius came up with such sweeping "it is obvious that" conclusions. Clearly I am not up to such a task.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Rahul M » 19 Apr 2019 19:23

Lilo ji, she should absolutely speak her mind but that should not be the only thing she says. She can be really inspirational and a real game changer for BJP beyond her own constituency if she does not restrict herself to 'vote for me because I was tortured'.
Yes, the scumbags did that and deserve to be punished mercilessly but she has to show something else to enthuse voters. Surely the voters are not expected to vote for her just because she was tortured ? If that was the case BJP would have been giving tickets to only relatives of slain members. It has not done so to my knowledge. Negativity ultimately does not work on its own, it has to be paired with a viable positive alternative for maximum impact.

IOW, what does she stand for ? Even a half decent narrative would go a long way, because all eyes would be on her. BJP has a big opportunity here to capture considerable mindshare, they should not squander it.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Supratik » 19 Apr 2019 19:28

Sadhvi, should fight election and expose the dangerous nature of the current INC dispensation. Her story should spread far and wide through the Indian land. They depend on lack of consciousness and information to peddle their narrative. This is the only way to counter it.

Meanwhile, if PP is right and BJP wins Raiganj in WB it definitely means some kind of H consolidation has taken place in WB. The reason is Raiganj has nearly 50% M pop. To win that seat will require some kind of magic.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Dumal » 19 Apr 2019 19:43

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAAxqEDugP4

Looks like DD released this 1984 address by ABV recently. I don't understand all of it but even the comments are instructive.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby chetak » 19 Apr 2019 20:24

Rahul M wrote:Lilo ji, she should absolutely speak her mind but that should not be the only thing she says. She can be really inspirational and a real game changer for BJP beyond her own constituency if she does not restrict herself to 'vote for me because I was tortured'.
Yes, the scumbags did that and deserve to be punished mercilessly but she has to show something else to enthuse voters. Surely the voters are not expected to vote for her just because she was tortured ? If that was the case BJP would have been giving tickets to only relatives of slain members. It has not done so to my knowledge. Negativity ultimately does not work on its own, it has to be paired with a viable positive alternative for maximum impact.

IOW, what does she stand for ? Even a half decent narrative would go a long way, because all eyes would be on her. BJP has a big opportunity here to capture considerable mindshare, they should not squander it.


she should simply tell her story and ruthlessly expose diggy's anti Hindu mindset at every rally.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby ramana » 19 Apr 2019 20:26

Karthik S wrote:Guys, what do you make of Sadhvi Pragya ji's remarks on karkare? Will it cause fence sitters to go the other way? Do people know about it before hand?

From a friend:
Something I wrote on my school WA group arguing the libtards

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She will be elected. Deal with it. Unless she is disqualified ( :rotfl: )

Karkare and Mumbai ATS was a dodgy fellow. Not because of sadhvi. Because of testimony of Col. Purohit and IB-MI had serious issues with loyalty and soundness of Karkare and his team. He had no business obstructing an IB-MI operation that Col. Purohit was handling and reporting to Army top brass (VK Singh was Lt.General and later General then. His TSD too was similarly shut down by chiddu and maino).

So no sympathy for Karkare and Kamte. Salaskar was a decent person who happened to be at wrong place and in wrong time. He was from crime branch and not ATS.

Entire mumbai ATS was RAW guys. Anyways- I hope this mess is cleaned up now.

Larger issue is our intel (especially RAW under AS Dulat) was seriously compromised. After 1997 actually - Gujaral Doctrine.

Search for Gujaral Doctrine. It was a peace initiative by IK Gujaral govt in 1997 - that India and Pakistan should inform each other of their intelligence assets in each other’s country and withdraw them from respective territories.

What an utter chutiya to have as a PM. BC, we defeated Vajpayee to have chutiyas like Devegauda and Gujaral.

Anyways - long story short: Pakis neutralized all our RAW operatives and their informers in Pakistan while we only sent them back alive.

17 months after our intel is gone, Kargil happens. Since then RAW has been problematic.

Even after arrest of Col. Purohit - Army said - it is our internal matter and we will deal with it through our internal court -martial procedures.

Karkare was a RAW operative brought in newly formed ATS directly.

Shows the breakdown in communication in Mannu years : when ATS blocks IB and Military Intelligence and blows their cover

Karkare (backed by Aba Patil of NCP - who is backed by Sharad Pawar) insisted on filing FIR in civil court. Once complaint filed in civil court - all cover blown.

What made Mumbai ATS overrule a “request” of transfer made by Indian army?

This sadhvi, aseemanand et al were low value ppl who were mostly curious bystanders who got caught up in inter-departmental civil war. The real target was Col. Purohit and his army operatives handling this entire operation (perhaps in collaboration with Mossad of Israel).

And I refuse to believe this was due to stupidity of Karkare or Aba Patil or Mannu. All these are accomplished ppl.

The have hinted at this inter departmental civil war between IB and RAW in the famous movie “Kahaani”

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby ramana » 19 Apr 2019 20:32

And narco test cleared her

I would like our Hakim to write a short note on what multiple narco tests does to human brain.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby ramana » 19 Apr 2019 20:33

Picklu, noted.
All am saying is Bengal is getting rid of a long and heavy burden

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby ramana » 19 Apr 2019 20:38

Further responses:
Here are some more of my responses -

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By slow, if you mean they stopped torturing her, showing per ***** and doing repetitive narco tests on her - you are right. After Modi came, all this stopped and NIA did go easy on her.

9 years (6 years under UPA) and they couldn’t press any charges on her. It was modi who pressed charges against her and brought her cases to closure.

MH ATS was as clueless as anyone on this.

ATS planted RDX on Purohit - they were busy doing that.

I mean- all due respect to Karkare, but these cases were not worthy of his stature.

Investigation should be objective. These guys in ATS (backed up of course by NCP-INC govt in Mumbai), made it ideological. That is where it went wrong.

Even after narco test’s negative results, there was no reason for not granting her bail and continuing her torture without filing any charges. Yet, she wasn’t granted bail nor were charges pressed. Why? Forget Modi, he came after 2014 (even he didn’t do it immediately- he should have).


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