there seems to be some issue with being anon on Gutrgoo.ramana wrote:I would suggest to acquire a Gutrgoo account and post the original idea there and link it in Twitter.
Yes I realized that when he literally referred to TrueIndology and claimed they're buddies and how they respect one another yada yada. I bet the latter has something quite different to say.Lilo wrote:Which is why TrueIndology was booted off Twitter , precisely because he was directly countering these worms.
Anyway we now have his example & inspiration to counter these distorians in our own individual way.
Turns out that this was also posted in the Boston Globe on September 11, 1977.ramana wrote: A few remarkable things about that report. its by AP which is Associated Press and headlined from Delhi.
Its about the Boeing bribe for the 3 Boeing 737s purchased for Indian Airlines.
the amount is close to a $1M with exchange rate in those days of 11 rupees to the $.
Off course this pales in comparison to the Bofors a few years later.
To its interesting that a Uty of Michigan school paper decided to print the story in its newspaper in the early 1980s.
U Mich, Ann Arbor has a very good Political Science department.
Wonder who were on the editorial board and served as advisers to the paper at that time?
None taken. Just mentioned to save the trouble / time / data from duplicate viewing.chetak wrote:sorry, bro.Snehashis wrote:
Fixed it. Also Chetak posted it correctly.
no offense intended.
Well if the opposition thinks they will have the numbers then the single largest party will not be able to prove majority will it? In that case what is the need to go to the president? More nautanki that's all. President Kovind isn't going to give heed to this nonsense.abhijitm wrote:So, rNDTV reporting 21 opposition parties are planning to meet the president after poll to request not to call single largest party to prove majority.
Hmmm, so are they sure after 5 phases that even NDA will not get majority!?
Snehashis wrote:Public reaction after Narendra Modi's "Bhrashtachari No.1" comment on Rajiv Gandhi
Statutory Warning : Do not watch this video if you are a Congress supporter.
Dr Praveen Patil
@5Forty3
When BJP sweeps UP as the numbers now suggest, hope @narendramodi will have a special interaction with "Labharthi Pramukhs" who manage 10-12 booths each.
Tremendous efforts by each one of them!
Dr Praveen Patil
@5Forty3
Dr Praveen Patil Retweeted Dr Praveen Patil
Don't think it would be wrong to say that that there is a mini #LabharthiWave in Uttar Pradesh, getting more pronounced as election travels from the west to the east.
Guess it is difficult to visualize this from AC rooms of Dilli!
Rahul
Day 1:pm chor he
Day 10: pm chor he
Day 100:pm chor he
PM: tera bap chor he
Rahul: mummy mummy speaking bad about daddy
I am blocked by this cunt on twitter, even though I have never called him names, only questioned another reasonable British historian. My immediate reaction on seeing this was that its 2019, and the Brits still havent learnt to respect the political choices of Indians and use dehumanizing pejoratives such as 'Sanghi'.Suraj wrote:It's probably on most peoples' blind spot, but the the lout Will Dalrymple has a very active ongoing whitewashing of Babur in process on Twitter over the last few days. His messaging is polished with sufficient deniability embedded ("it's not whitewashing, here I've thrown in some bad words about him") as well as overt political messaging focused on setting a message about the Babri Mosque:
https://twitter.com/DalrympleWill/statu ... 5369400322
"If you mention Babur on twitter a million sanghis pop up to say Babur was a terrorist jihadi... In fact he never uses the word Allah, prefering the term Tengri- the sky deity worshipped by steppe peoples. According to his biographer Stephen Dale, "Babur scarcely refers to Islam.""
I've screenshot the post in case he edits or deletes it.
Why is this important in this thread ? Two reasons:
a) Active preparations are being made against further forward movement on the Ayodhya structure
b) a foreigner is actively involved in political messaging while on a visa
Why is this surprising? His type is the prime reason why Indian elite are linguistic cripples and can not frame an articulate, grammatically correct sentence to save their lives. I dont look down on any one based on language, but I do look down on people who cant articulate their thoughts in their mother tongue or any other language of their choice.Karan M wrote:Didnt see that but what surprised me is Pranoy Roy appeared to be struggling to speak in basic Hindi with the Yadavs at their residence and quickly shifted to English. Wow. Pretty surprising.ArjunPandit wrote:Did you guys see the Pranoy Roy carrying mic to a village and interviewing a girl? The girl was speaking from a mugged script.
All Indian languages are "uncool" for our anglophone Lutyens and SoBo elite.I'm not interested in fighting him online. I'm interested in finding out who sponsors his extended stays in India, and what visa terms he resides in India under, that lets him own property and spend the better part of the year in a country where he's neither a citizen nor an OCI; he's been doing this for 25 years now.sudeepj wrote:I am blocked by this cunt on twitter, even though I have never called him names, only questioned another reasonable British historian. My immediate reaction on seeing this was that its 2019, and the Brits still havent learnt to respect the political choices of Indians and use dehumanizing pejoratives such as 'Sanghi'.
Moron PAPPU keeps calling Modi a CHOR, 30000 cr kind of lies.ramana wrote:vijayk, Apparently Congress is going to approach SC on Rajiv Gandhi comments by NaMo.
I don't know the basis but some argument can be made.
And there are enough people to claim Delhi HC removed his name from accused after his death.
Tha'ts the process usually. Doesn't mean accused becomes innocent.
@Sudeep, Nachiket,sudeepj wrote:Why is this surprising? His type is the prime reason why Indian elite are linguistic cripples and can not frame an articulate, grammatically correct sentence to save their lives. I dont look down on any one based on language, but I do look down on people who cant articulate their thoughts in their mother tongue or any other language of their choice.Karan M wrote:
Didnt see that but what surprised me is Pranoy Roy appeared to be struggling to speak in basic Hindi with the Yadavs at their residence and quickly shifted to English. Wow. Pretty surprising.
looks more and more like what PP been saying. Savvyasaachi also mentioned same thing.UP in Lok Sabha 2019 seems to be a carbon copy election of UP Vidhan Sabha 2017
- Then it was Uri + Demonetization + Ujjwala
- Now Balakot + Reservations for EWS + PM-KISAN + PM Awaas
only more vigour and more traction
Even Rana Ayyub is saying the same thing.khatvaanga wrote:Shahul Hameed
https://twitter.com/ShahulAhm/status/11 ... 3787248642
looks more and more like what PP been saying. Savvyasaachi also mentioned same thing.UP in Lok Sabha 2019 seems to be a carbon copy election of UP Vidhan Sabha 2017
- Then it was Uri + Demonetization + Ujjwala
- Now Balakot + Reservations for EWS + PM-KISAN + PM Awaas
only more vigour and more traction
When I saw the video of public opinion on Rajiv corrupt #1, I am like oh yeah … the public are super sexy smart janta and PP is so right. I come here and depressed and in fearNot the least bit shocked. In SoBo, I doubt most folks know beyond "Bhaiyya Mercedes nikaalo". There are many who don't speak anything aside from English, and perhaps spatterings of French/Italian/German/flavour of the month Euro language. Whatever Hindi or Marathi was forced up on them in high school was left there, never to be brought out again.Karan M wrote:
Still shocked to see how the stereotypical elite is so disassociated with real India, that he couldn't handle speaking even a handful of sentences in local lingua franca. I mean, not just Hindi, you need to know whatever language is common, where you grew up at, could be whichever local language. And he couldn't handle Hindi, despte growing up in the north (I presume?).
I've come across a few of these jackasses during college days in Mumbai. Speaking in English during conversations when everyone else was speaking in Hindi. We used to make fun of their fake American accents and phrasing that sounded quite comical to everyone but themselves. Unfortunately, their numbers have only increased since my days.Karan M wrote: @Sudeep, Nachiket,
Still shocked to see how the stereotypical elite is so disassociated with real India, that he couldn't handle speaking even a handful of sentences in local lingua franca. I mean, not just Hindi, you need to know whatever language is common, where you grew up at, could be whichever local language. And he couldn't handle Hindi, despte growing up in the north (I presume?).
He seems to say the mosque is not connected to the Babur. Isn't that the main takeaway?Suraj wrote:It's probably on most peoples' blind spot, but the the lout Will Dalrymple has a very active ongoing whitewashing of Babur in process on Twitter over the last few days. His messaging is polished with sufficient deniability embedded ("it's not whitewashing, here I've thrown in some bad words about him") as well as overt political messaging focused on setting a message about the Babri Mosque:
https://twitter.com/DalrympleWill/statu ... 5369400322
"If you mention Babur on twitter a million sanghis pop up to say Babur was a terrorist jihadi... In fact he never uses the word Allah, prefering the term Tengri- the sky deity worshipped by steppe peoples. According to his biographer Stephen Dale, "Babur scarcely refers to Islam.""
I've screenshot the post in case he edits or deletes it.
Why is this important in this thread ? Two reasons:
a) Active preparations are being made against further forward movement on the Ayodhya structure
b) a foreigner is actively involved in political messaging while on a visa
That will be held against you in the NDTV crowd.Suraj wrote:#Ispeakhindibetterthanprannoy
Overall, one has to judge by putting all the factors — the welfare, the narrative, the alliances and the machinery — together.
While I would want to resist the temptation of making a seat prediction, from what is visible on the ground, it seems to be a clear 'advantage Modi'.
Mr Modi is known to choose his words with care. So this could not have been a casual off-the-cuff statement. A look at the clip of his speech would show he took time to train his gun on the target like a consummate shooter before firing the salvo — and the response of the crowd leaves no doubt that it hit the bull’s eye in the first shot.
The legendary Jyoti Basu once famously said after his party cadre were accused of violence, “If they pelt stones at us, do you expect us to reciprocate with Rosogollas?” It might be instructive for the Congress and Rahul Gandhi’s cheerleaders to pause for a moment and reflect on what would be have been the reaction of one of their friends or allies, like Mayawati, Lalu, Mulayam or Mamata, if similar accusations were hurled against them.
It is hard to imagine any of these earthy leaders would have been more subtle or polite than Narendra Modi. So, in a perverted way, it is truly “Karma” at play — where one reaps as one sows.
That era, when ordinary folk from humble origins were shy of answering back to royalty, is long gone. Now, they give back as good as they get — not just in politics but in every walk of life, as it ought to be in a democracy. In an egalitarian society, no one should pull rank or family title even at the workplace. As a country, we may not be there yet totally, but certainly, there is no premium on feudalism any more.
One of the biggest changes Modi has brought about (somewhat inconspicuously) is systematically demolishing the culture of “entitlement” with one of “empowerment” — especially among the youth. That is why, while the commentariat may be shocked and aghast at the perceived “coarseness” of Narendra Modi’s attack on Rahul Gandhi, his supporters seem to not only approve, but are also rejoicing over the rejoinder.
That is where Rahul Gandhi’s advisers may have made an error in judgement. They were right in telling the boss “a clean image” was Modi’s biggest asset. But they probably did not warn him that Narendra Modi is no Rajiv Gandhi — so, to do a Bofors on Modi may be fraught with the risk of backfire.
I'll quote something else in that article, because I've seen the same thing paraphrased by half a dozen different sources now. including MSM folks like Sagarika Ghose and Rana Ayyub who went out into the heartland themselves. Others who have stated this same thing, are PP, Chintamani and another twitter handle who I can't recall but is pro-INC viewpoint:
IMHO, this sentiment is something we discount here, because probably no one on this forum has been amongst the poor and destitute. That's not to claim everyone here's a SoBo type, but we have generally not collectively known desperate poverty. As a result, we cannot gauge how they feel. We are aware of his expressed sincerity. We may admire it, but we are not personally connected to it.People in the remotest part of the country (for example, a family staying in the middle of a small agricultural field on the outskirts of a remote village in the most backward Bundelkhand region of Uttar Pradesh) believe that Modi is doing his best for the poor. Never mind if some of the schemes have not reached them. Either they have seen others in their village/neighbourhood benefit from those schemes, and if that is also not the case, they believe that the poor at large in the country must be benefitting.
They blame the local administration or their village pradhan/sarpanch/ mukhiya for any shortcomings — and not Modi.
The image of being a single man who has committed his life to the nation, and someone who has seen poverty up and close, only adds to this narrative.
Their ideas are good for country benefit. Challenging on implementing them puts lid of egos of any one (most politicians are with full of egos anyway otherwise they can't sustain). If he fails he can eat words and retreat and it will show he can't walk the talk. Heavy surgical strike is needed to cleanup ecosystem of poisoned education and culture (Of course in the long-term parivar parent approach of building society is way to go but it is a generational approach with many cycles of ups and downs). Anyway my point was in response to your comment on him being made VC of DU. One University clean up is not going to help unless you attack the root-cause. He is much more than being a VC barring any ego you're alluding.ramana wrote:Do you seriously think so?ShyamSP wrote:
VC is below Shri Swamy's qualification. Swamy should be given Education/HR/culture combined ministry with charter of cleaning up education and culture in India. He and Rajiv Malhotra make good pair to take psec crowd both legally and intellectually head on, based on what I gather from comments and opinions in their interviews with each other. Next term he should be seriously given in the cabinet and challenge him on some thing and put his energy and intellect for good use of the country.
SuSwa and RM are the biggest ego maniacs and worse have an Iagoain streak.
As for the last line time and again SuSwa has been found wanting.
Not sure what is SoBo, but I think I know what you mean. In Indira Gandhi's time, I recall that she was viscerally popular among humble folk because they felt that she was "a good person who cared about poor people." That, just because of her "garibi hatao" slogan, and not for anything concrete that she did for the poor.Suraj wrote: IMHO, this sentiment is something we discount here, because probably no one on this forum has been amongst the poor and destitute. That's not to claim everyone here's a SoBo type, but we have generally not collectively known desperate poverty. As a result, we cannot gauge how they feel. We are aware of his expressed sincerity. We may admire it, but we are not personally connected to it.
There's a major difference between the connect of the poor to any member of the Nehru clan and to Modi - he was poor like them, and has no history of having built any political dynasty. Lots of politicians come from poor backgrounds, but most turn into just regular politicians, who either forget what it was like to be poor and what was desperately needed then, or remember that in the context of how he can manipulate them as a captive votebank with some election time freebies.KLMMurthy wrote:Not sure what is SoBo, but I think I know what you mean. In Indira Gandhi's time, I recall that she was viscerally popular among humble folk because they felt that she was "a good person who cared about poor people." That, just because of her "garibi hatao" slogan, and not for anything concrete that she did for the poor.