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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby KLNMurthy » 08 May 2019 04:34

Can some guru explain to me why BJP has given a walkover to Sonia Gandhi in Rae Bareli, both in 2014 and 2019?

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby nachiket » 08 May 2019 04:41

KLNMurthy wrote:Can some guru explain to me why BJP has given a walkover to Sonia Gandhi in Rae Bareli, both in 2014 and 2019?

You have to pick your fights and determine where you can spend your resources for maximum benefit. The Nehru-Gandhi family personality cult is the strongest in Rae Bareilly. In 2014 the credibility of the Congress was at its nadir everywhere, yet in Rae Bareilly they wholeheartedly voted for Sonia. It was clear that they (and RG in particular) is far more vulnerable in Amethi than his mother in RB. Hence all the focus on Amethi this time too.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby vijayk » 08 May 2019 04:42

In 2019, are people still in such a state that they will feel deep love for a leader who is seen to be caring for them and working for them, when honestly, all they are doing is fulfilling the minimum requirements of their job? It would seem so, from the article.


When coupta went to Gujarat in 2014, a self-made tribal woman told him "Modi is a great man. He studies a problem, identifies solution and helps all to succeed. He is rare."
I distinctly remember that. People see him building toilets, Jandhan, DBT, houses and taking care of India, they feel proud of him.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby ShyamSP » 08 May 2019 04:50

nachiket wrote:
Karan M wrote:@Sudeep, Nachiket,

Still shocked to see how the stereotypical elite is so disassociated with real India, that he couldn't handle speaking even a handful of sentences in local lingua franca. I mean, not just Hindi, you need to know whatever language is common, where you grew up at, could be whichever local language. And he couldn't handle Hindi, despte growing up in the north (I presume?). :shock:

I've come across a few of these jackasses during college days in Mumbai. Speaking in English during conversations when everyone else was speaking in Hindi. We used to make fun of their fake American accents and phrasing that sounded quite comical to everyone but themselves. Unfortunately, their numbers have only increased since my days.


Until Bharat gets rid of English you'll have jackasses raising, may be to billion level. Instead of developing knowledge in native language or Sanskrit, India is programming, rather corrupting, billion minds with foreign language. Those who want to escape to better lands can learn whatever language but those who are in Indian whole life it is Idiotic to impose learning and converse in foreign language. Bollywood name itself symptom of slavishness and it is also corrupted in double way...Urdu and English. Many movies produced from are Urdu-laden with names coming in English.

Maybe parivar takes over running Sabhas and administration in their Sanskritized Hindi, if not Sanskrit itself, language (may be if Tamil or language politicians have problem government can hire translators)

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby nachiket » 08 May 2019 05:02

ShyamSP wrote:Until Bharat gets rid of English you'll have jackasses raising, may be to billion level. Instead of developing knowledge in native language or Sanskrit, India is programming, rather corrupting, billion minds with foreign language. Those who want to escape to better lands can learn whatever language but those who are in Indian whole life it is Idiotic to impose learning and converse in foreign language. Bollywood name itself symptom of slavishness and it is also corrupted in double way...Urdu and English. Many movies produced from are Urdu-laden with names coming in English.

Maybe parivar takes over running Sabhas and administration in their Sanskritized Hindi, if not Sanskrit itself, language (may be if Tamil or language politicians have problem government can hire translators)

It goes way beyond language. If merely getting educated in English made us into jackasses, a lot of us on this forum would be part of that tribe. The problem is the culture among these people of looking down on everything Indian and a fascination for the goras and everything they do. Naturally when everything Indian is termed inferior, it includes the languages too and you end up with Prannoy Roy struggling to carry on a conversation. But that is only a symptom and not the disease itself.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Mort Walker » 08 May 2019 05:43

nachiket wrote:It goes way beyond language. If merely getting educated in English made us into jackasses, a lot of us on this forum would be part of that tribe. The problem is the culture among these people of looking down on everything Indian and a fascination for the goras and everything they do. Naturally when everything Indian is termed inferior, it includes the languages too and you end up with Prannoy Roy struggling to carry on a conversation. But that is only a symptom and not the disease itself.


You've hit on another point here, which is the education system, it is OT for this discussion; however, there are severe repercussions from the MacAulay education which was instituted by the 1835 English Education Act. In 1947 at time of Independence, the INC simply took the keys from the British Empire and continued to govern India in effectively the same manner. Instead of the British overlords, it became the INC overlords and we see the consequences of it with nitwits like Prannoy Roy and Sashi Tharoor.

It's too late now, but everything British had to be dropped in 1947. The entire structure of the IAS, IPS, laws, commerce, language, and sports (yes - that includes cricket).

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby ramana » 08 May 2019 05:49

OK Slow day. Lets not make this a free for all.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby UlanBatori » 08 May 2019 06:02

Mort Walker wrote:
nachiket wrote:that includes cricket).

Is nothing sacred, hain? Come to think of it, BRF too, since the dominant language here is English. And since nothing is sacred, one wonders about the level of Anglicization in, say the Army and Air Force, enough said. Pakistan has done something about all this: their armed forces include a fair number of beards to balance the RAPEs, held together by the common bond (pun intended but any implication is a consequence of your impure minds) of being goat-lovers. Back to Satta Bajaar. Now there is a real Indian tradition. Gambling is ingrained at the highest levels since the Maha Bharatha.

Finally some real gyan!

With the Lok Sabha election entering its final two weeks and 'judgment day' (May 23) approaching, the underground betting market has reached a state of ecstasy.
Political betting has grown so big that it has even dwarfed punting on the IPL, bookies told MAIL TODAY. Different estimates by them suggest that the size of the election betting market now stands at over a thousand crores, almost twice as big as it was in 2014. Since betting is unregulated and illegal, MAIL TODAY could not independently verify this figure.
The exponential growth of the 'satta' market has also been aided by mobile apps and websites, with many of them operating abroad - where betting is legalised. "It is a multi-million pound business. Bets change every day," said a person familiar with the international betting market, referring to a website operating from London which offers daily betting rates for the number of seats the BJP and the Congress will (or won't) win.
Even as rates change every day, the 'satta bazaar' predicts that the BJP will finish below the majority mark of 272, but will manage to form the government. The Congress, on the other hand, might not cross 100 seats, predict the punters.
"Betting rates are directly proportional to the possibility of seats that a party will get. The BJP getting less than 200 seats is a distant probability and hence a bet on this number will offer a premium," he said.

On Tuesday, the odds (where the money one gets is return varies) on BJP were 200/13/15.

This meant for every Re 1 placed on 200 seats for BJP, one would get `1.15. And if the BJP doesn't get 200, the return comes down to `1.13. Similarly for Congress, the odds were 60/22/27. So if Congress wins 60 seats, the person would get `1.27 in return. If it is less than 60 seats, the person will get `1.22 paisa. In many cases, the betting rates are decided by the party's vote share in the 2014 elections.

The betting market also factors in key issues such as unemployment, prices of commodities and fuel as also allegations and counter-allegations (depending on which ones stick and have the potential of impacting voters' choice).

In Delhi, the market predicts five to seven seats for the BJP. Bookies believe there is a tight triangular contest among the BJP, the Aam Aadmi Party and the Congress, but the saffron party leads in at least five seats on the back of PM Narendra Modi's popularity.

"Though there is no Modi wave in the country, there is an undercurrent of urban voters by and large casting their votes for the BJP. Besides, the momentum has shifted after the Pulwama terror attack and nationalism comes on top of the minds of voters, especially the urban class," a Delhi-based bookie told Mail Today.

In the Chandni Chowk constituency, the sizeable population of Muslim voters is expected to vote for JP Agarwal, candidate of the Congress party. Hence, Agarwal is bookies' favourite here and the betting market offers lesser returns on him. In North East Delhi, there is a triangular fight between Sheila Dikshit of the Congress, Manoj Tiwari of the BJP and Dilip Pandey of the AAP.

The 'satta' market believes Dikshit has an edge over the other two. "There is a strong chance of the Purvanchali vote splitting between Tiwari and Pandey and it will help Dikshit clinch the seat," the bookie said.

The betting market has shown a lot of interest in East Delhi too, with cricketer Gautam Gambhir taking on AAP candidate Atishi and Congress' Arvinder Singh Lovely. Atishi, as of now, is a favourite among punters, with Gambhir a close second.

"The minimum betting amount is Rs 10,000. We have different mobile apps, websites and direct investment also possible. The bidding price fluctuates every day," a bookie said.

Payments are done through back-channels, sources said. For larger bets, running in lakhs or crores, the money goes to offshore accounts - to avoid detection by security agencies.

The most popular bets include those on Narendra Modi becoming PM, Rahul Gandhi winning both his seats (Amethi and Wayanad) and the performance of the SP-BSP alliance in Uttar Pradesh.

According to the Seventh Schedule of the Constitution, states have the rights to make laws and policies regarding "gambling and betting". Physical betting on sports (offline) is illegal across India.

Most of the betting on elections is done telephonically. Bookies are reached over a call, text message or WhatsApp, where they reveal the odds for a bet. Payments happen through backchannels and online transfers.

"If you know a bookie, you do not need to give an advance. If you come through a reference, you pay 50% in advance. Cash transactions happen in small bets, but the larger bets - running into several lakhs - involve offshore accounts too," said a bookie.

Police say they act as soon as they receive a tip-off. "As there is a possibility that a bookie may operate individually or as part of an organised international syndicate, we keep an eye on the activities of known bookies and Hawala traders," said Gurugram Deputy Commissioner Police (Crime) Rajiv Deshwal.

Madhur Verma, Deputy Commissioner of Police, New Delhi, told Mail Today, "The Delhi Police's crime branch, Special Cell and Intelligence wings closely monitor the activities of bookies, also called punters. They generally operate through apps. We appeal to the people to avoid getting into the net of such punters."

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby UlanBatori » 08 May 2019 06:08

Actually this makes little sense. If you bet something and it doesn't happen, why would you get back more than you put down? Where is the business plan in that? Papparazi!

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Pathik » 08 May 2019 06:12

nachiket wrote:
ShyamSP wrote:Until Bharat gets rid of English you'll have jackasses raising, may be to billion level. Instead of developing knowledge in native language or Sanskrit, India is programming, rather corrupting, billion minds with foreign language. Those who want to escape to better lands can learn whatever language but those who are in Indian whole life it is Idiotic to impose learning and converse in foreign language. Bollywood name itself symptom of slavishness and it is also corrupted in double way...Urdu and English. Many movies produced from are Urdu-laden with names coming in English.

Maybe parivar takes over running Sabhas and administration in their Sanskritized Hindi, if not Sanskrit itself, language (may be if Tamil or language politicians have problem government can hire translators)

It goes way beyond language. If merely getting educated in English made us into jackasses, a lot of us on this forum would be part of that tribe. The problem is the culture among these people of looking down on everything Indian and a fascination for the goras and everything they do. Naturally when everything Indian is termed inferior, it includes the languages too and you end up with Prannoy Roy struggling to carry on a conversation. But that is only a symptom and not the disease itself.


Applies to non-Indian languages too. The same reason why white languages like english, french, spanish have a wow factor in india compared to chinese or other non-gora languages

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Mort Walker » 08 May 2019 06:20

ramana wrote:OK Slow day. Lets not make this a free for all.


Not at all:

1. BJP leaders attacked and 3 taken hostage by TMC goons in WB.
2. Amit Shah dares Mamta didi about "Jai Shree Ram" slogans.
3. Priyanka Vadra compares Modi to Duryodhan, but her speech was written by someone else and sounded worse than a 3rd grader speaking about something they don't know.
4. Shivraj Chouhan, former MP CM, says that farmer loan waiver never happened and was an INC scam.
5. Arun Jaitly says INC complaint to ECI about Namo's comment regarding "Bhrastachari #1" is free speech and not subject to MCC.

These damn elections are taking tooooooo long. Should be done in 3 weeks. Also, WHERE IN THE WORLD IS DILBU? :!: :!: :!: :!:

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby ramana » 08 May 2019 06:28

He is in the betting markets.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Suraj » 08 May 2019 06:35

Considering the number of times he's asked the same question, I've concluded that Mort Walker is Dilbu. This will be revealed to the world on May 23.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Manish_Sharma » 08 May 2019 07:03

Suraj wrote:...In such situations, voters don't angrily complain, as they might when something wasn't delivered as promised. Instead they go out and punish the namecallers at the ballot machine ...



Exactly this happened with "Maut Ka Saudagar" ,

Also certain expressions just don't gel with citizens... like from 2009 onwards BJP's ground input was that 'sonia foreigner italian ' doesn't go well with many so they dropped it.

Sonia also never dared any "maut la saudagar " type terms ever....

In Raul-Bianca's Yesmen type Maoist dictatorial set up no one will tell them what's happening on ground....

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Sumair » 08 May 2019 07:04

ramana wrote:
Sumair wrote:Saurav Ganguly?!



If BJP gets more than 12 seats there will be exodus out of TMC on 24th May.
#Jihadidi has a choice go for polls or sit in Opposition.

Or governor's rule if she waffles or leads to violence

Can't have a border state with such people in charge.

Sumair, You think CM face is a cricketer?
What is his political experience?

Sir Captain India has the innate "it" factor to lead.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby UlanBatori » 08 May 2019 07:24

Sumair wrote:Sir Captain India has the innate "it" factor to lead.

Not to mention the influence to bring in his sponsor/mentor Preeti Sinha. If there is going to be any shirt-stripping/ dancing swirling shirt over the head, this is an unbeatable combo.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Suraj » 08 May 2019 07:25

Manish_Sharma wrote:
Suraj wrote:...In such situations, voters don't angrily complain, as they might when something wasn't delivered as promised. Instead they go out and punish the namecallers at the ballot machine ...



Exactly this happened with "Maut Ka Saudagar" ,

Also certain expressions just don't gel with citizens... like from 2009 onwards BJP's ground input was that 'sonia foreigner italian ' doesn't go well with many so they dropped it.

Sonia also never dared any "maut la saudagar " type terms ever....

In Raul-Bianca's Yesmen type Maoist dictatorial set up no one will tell them what's happening on ground....

That was the case for MMS too . People understood he was just a seat warmer and the power lay elsewhere , but they did not take kindly to the epithets he and his position were called for it . The economy did well enough in the 5 years leading to that election (including the dole programs) that they got a good mandate then . However they were duly punished in 2014.

Constantly calling Modi chor is a high risk gambit . Either it has immediate resonance because people do doubt his sincerity, or they get very upset with the constant demonization of the person whom they believe does not deserve the crude language . RaGa is much too unsophisticated politically to avoid making such mistakes .

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby fanne » 08 May 2019 07:30

2009 election we have bad analysis. Congress won (in spite of 26/11) because of many factors, most important being, NAREGA. Modi welfare scheme are 10 times bigger. Hope it does the trick for 2019

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Manish_Sharma » 08 May 2019 07:39

https://twitter.com/YRDeshmukh/status/1 ... 05121?s=19

@YRDeshmukh :

From 1952 to 1998, we had paper ballots. During this period more than 90% election verdicts were Pro-Incumbent. That means those in power remained in power.

After the introduction of #EVM in 1999 till now, almost 90% verdicts have been Anti-Incumbent.

Let that sink in.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby vijayk » 08 May 2019 07:52

Suraj wrote:
Manish_Sharma wrote:
Exactly this happened with "Maut Ka Saudagar" ,

Also certain expressions just don't gel with citizens... like from 2009 onwards BJP's ground input was that 'sonia foreigner italian ' doesn't go well with many so they dropped it.

Sonia also never dared any "maut la saudagar " type terms ever....

In Raul-Bianca's Yesmen type Maoist dictatorial set up no one will tell them what's happening on ground....

That was the case for MMS too . People understood he was just a seat warmer and the power lay elsewhere , but they did not take kindly to the epithets he and his position were called for it . The economy did well enough in the 5 years leading to that election (including the dole programs) that they got a good mandate then . However they were duly punished in 2014.
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Constantly calling Modi chor is a high risk gambit . Either it has immediate resonance because people do doubt his sincerity, or they get very upset with the constant demonization of the person whom they believe does not deserve the crude language . RaGa is much too unsophisticated politically to avoid making such mistakes .


It is not that PAPPU and ISI-backed CON chamchas think CHOR remark will affect Mod's popularity.

There is a section of India hating/Pak loving sickular retards who live on the crumbs of dynasty. DeMO/GST added several affected people who did CASH business and never paid taxes. These sections need a strong motivation to come out and rally other people who are not in either camp. So they need a strong leader who can articulate and oppose Modi because ISI, PRESSTITUTE, intellectual gangs, and foreign see eye yay backed media could not dent Modi's image.

Since PAPPU is not articulate., they gave him a script. Keep calling him CHOR and he gave 30000 cr to Ambanis etc. So idiot keeps repeating same lines. He messes up numbers. The PRESSTITUTES never question him where he got the numbers and how far they are true. They all know it is a LIE but who cares. Any means to topple Modi and get looter gang is good for them. Now it is all backfiring. Hope CON goes below 44. I want to see that.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Suraj » 08 May 2019 07:54

fanne wrote:2009 election we have bad analysis. Congress won (in spite of 26/11) because of many factors, most important being, NAREGA. Modi welfare scheme are 10 times bigger. Hope it does the trick for 2019

I don’t consider PMJDY, PMAY, Ujjwala, Mudra etc a welfare program like NREGA . Only PM KISAN fits that bill . Even Ayushman Bharat is something you need to qualify to access (both income and specifically needing covered healthcare), as opposed to something for nothing . Everything else is a basic enabling scheme . Access to sanitation , water, electricity, banking, health - these are all basic public goods and services . A make-work program like NREGA on the other hand is not .

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby vijayk » 08 May 2019 08:00

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He will become CJI in 2022. He is the most dangerous BIF fellow. If Modi does not muster courage to get this guy out, he will destroy India
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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Kati » 08 May 2019 08:18

Sumair wrote:
Supratik wrote:In 5th phase TMC has done well in WB. Neck to neck between BJP and TMC. Last 2 phases will determine who will get larger no of seats but TMC has advantage. Even if BJP gets less seats it will be incredible given that the party had no base even a few years back. Will set up 2021 nicely. The hardest part will be to get a CM candidate.

Saurav Ganguly?!


A better candidate is Rupa Ganguly (Draupadi of Mahabharata). She is currently a Rajjya Sabha member (BJP), good orator, and has
a fighting skill.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby fanne » 08 May 2019 08:22

I am not judging the merit of NAREGA. I am only pointing to its political impact. As you rightly pointed out it was a loot scheme. Dig a whole and then cover that hole. Many poor though got that free money (and through fake accounts many Con brokers got heavy amount)

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Suraj » 08 May 2019 08:24

More thoughts on RaGa's messaging:

1. "Chor"

I covered this already. It's a very simple message, meant to be repeated . Perfect for his capabilities. However, it's negative messaging. This only works when two things hold a) the person being directed at is already viewed with widespread ambivalence, if not actual negativity. b) the person making the message has to be credible themselves. It has been demonstrated - even by outright Modi critics - that he has an enormous goodwill base, and taking on him directly is a losing gambit when your pappa, momma, grandma and greatgrandpa, as well as your brother in law are all crooks.

2. "Ambani/Adani" "Rs.30K/40K crore"

There are two problems with this, which can be summarized as:

2a) It is very hard to keep track of the numbers. They keep changing. 10K here, 30K there, 40K.. The least RaGa could do is maintain some kind of 'Claims Passbook' where he can add new entries . For example 'Recipient' column can be pre-filled in as 'Modi' , unless there are plans to claim Modi gave money to others too. Maybe that can be in a separate ledger but that presents double entry book-keeping issues. Iteratively he can add new entries e.g. M Ambani / Modi / {date} / {Rs. crore} . Makes things much easier to follow. This can be triumphantly held aloft at rallies. The approach of responding to further questioning by saying 'I don't know the details of the numbers, ask Chidambaram', is not scalable past one use.

2b) The names are also a problem. They keep switching. Adani one day, Ambani the next. This reminds me of this medical phenomenon, where one can read sentences even if the words are internally jumbled, as long as the first letter and last letter of each word is in their correct position. Perhaps RaGa starts out naming someone but can't recall more than 'starts with A, ends with i' . This presents problems since one day he may claim Advani or Adivasi gave Modi Rs.40K crore. This will be difficult to state publicly with very high credibility. However I don't know the solution to this.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby fanne » 08 May 2019 08:33

He is a retard who will not qualify for even a peon job in India. BIF gang is rooting for this reason, they get full control ...

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby neeraj » 08 May 2019 08:33

Suraj wrote:More thoughts on RaGa's messaging:

1. "Chor"

I covered this already. It's a very simple message, meant to be repeated . Perfect for his capabilities.


:rotfl: :lol:

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Suraj » 08 May 2019 09:28

Kati wrote:Gurus, what do you make of this?

https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... yptr=yahoo

The following quote summarizes how far off the article is from reality:
Most didn’t have particular attachments to traditional ideologies of the left or right (they offered no strong opinions when I asked about big or small government, foreign-investment policy, or the welfare state, for example)

The reporter sees the world in western left vs right terms, and attempts to associate choices in political economy with the nearest familiar context .

It therefore defines the teaching in terms of western far right fringe examples like Bannon and Farage, who are amateur hotheads . The BJP on the other hand, are the mainstream center-right (similar to Tories or CDU) and has had 20-52% of seats in parliament for multiple elections dating back over a generation, and has been the largest or second largest party in every single election since 1990.

It’s hard to say anything useful about an article where the writer repeatedly demonstrates that she doesn’t understand what’s in front of her .

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Lilo » 08 May 2019 10:03

....

"The rural rentiers profiting from their political connections on the basis of identity politics are rendered ineffective as information technology has built new channels between the State and citizens.

Across the Hindi heartland, be it in Etawah or Lucknow, Raebareli or Amethi, Allahabad or Varanasi, a substantial section of rural power-brokers thriving on patronage seems to be fighting for survival and is desperately trying to cling to identity politics. The Samajwadi Party-BSP coalition offers a ray of hope as both the parties are known for promoting and patronising elites on the basis of caste identity. The BJP's advocacy for Hindutva covers such a large spectrum of the society that it has a severe handicap in patronising such a group of power-brokers. As for the Congress, it is hardly a force to reckon with in Uttar Pradesh where it has lost its clout.

In this election, there is no doubt that this radical disruption of old social equations has ranged well-entrenched caste elites against the forces of transformation. Interestingly, the BJP despite its pro-Hindu proclivity, is seen as a harbinger of this transformation."

https://www.firstpost.com/politics/in-u ... 08391.html

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby disha » 08 May 2019 10:19

Kati wrote:Gurus, what do you make of this?

https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... yptr=yahoo


In nutshell, the effort to train the MPs is good. Hence IIDL is good (atleast the MPs will be bootstrapped based on institutional memory and shape their messages)

The report is jaundiced. Since the reporter has to pander to the bhestern world-view and has to think in terms of minority-majority and view through the prism of 'minority rights'.

Taking FWIW, there is some effort to bootstrap a cohort of MPs into effective legislatures.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Suraj » 08 May 2019 10:29

fanne wrote:I am not judging the merit of NAREGA. I am only pointing to its political impact. As you rightly pointed out it was a loot scheme. Dig a whole and then cover that hole. Many poor though got that free money (and through fake accounts many Con brokers got heavy amount)

NREGA was a bad economic policy, but a shrewd act of political economy. I'll point you to this image. That is the top 3 countries who play host to the most extreme poor, on the planet. See the number in 2016. Guess what it was in the mid 2000s* ? See where it is at in 2019. China was #1 in that list until the late 1990s when their extreme poverty dropped enough that we took the #1 spot. We just gave it up.

NREGA was good political action then because there were enough destitute people then* after 15 years of liberalization, that such a dole worked wonders. I'm not saying I agree with it, but I can see why it was a political success. It's hard to make such a thing useful today, because of a basic mathematical reality: there aren't enough destitute people in India anymore. There are plenty of them, but the absolute count has fallen so much, that there is just not enough of them to make a political impact over enough seats, as they were in 2004.

Hundreds of millions who were destitute, are within or at the throes of lower middle class life. They don't want a handout. They want opportunities. They want someone giving them an enabling step up, making it easier for them to start, sustain and grow within a professional life at something.

* almost 450 million

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Postby Narad » 08 May 2019 10:48

vijayk wrote:https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/most-sc-judges-rally-behind-cji-gogoi-question-justice-chandrachuds-letter-to-inquiry-panel/articleshow/69211982.cms?utm_source=twitter_app&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialsharebuttons


He will become CJI in 2022. He is the most dangerous BIF fellow. If Modi does not muster courage to get this guy out, he will destroy India

Actually I have a different take on him. Before being promoted to SC, he was posted in Aurangabad bench of Mumbai HC and at District courts before that.
He is known to have high integrity among the fraternity here. He had made explempary efforts to clear backlog of pending cases, even many time sitting upto 2-3 a.m. He has given some outstanding judgments too. So no surprise based upon his meri, integrity and commitment, he was the youngest person to be appointed as a SC judge.

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Postby abhijitm » 08 May 2019 10:51

^^ he may be hard worker but he is irrational, baised when comes to hindu culture. Highly protective of islamic values.

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Postby Dileep » 08 May 2019 11:06

One point about satta market: If you bet Rs 1000 on the BJP 240-250 at odds 1.2, at the end:

BJP gets seat between 240 and 250, you get Rs 1200.
BJP gets seats <=239 OR seats >=251, you get NOTHING!!!

The explanation of the bet 200/13/15 is clueless for sure. There is no way you get back something if the event that you bet on doesn't happen.

I speculate that is the horse racing format, where the odds is 1 + 13/15 = 1.86

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Postby abhijitm » 08 May 2019 11:20

Whatever be the result on 23rd May, by then BRF members will be fully trained on satta :D

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby banrjeer » 08 May 2019 11:38

Bosses it's time to wake up, we are not a majority by any means. It's an illusion shoved down our throat and non semitized desis are gullible enough to swallow it.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Singha » 08 May 2019 11:39

good call Suraj. as a country increases in per capita income, the number of handout hopefuls and rice bag converts to any cause decline.

btw a brf member who shall remain unnamed explained how jihadi didi is able to muster so much street troops on demand and not just troops but willing to fight for her.

there is some "citizen police" and "green police" schemes in which all her TMC workers are on govt payroll but on a contract basis. they have to work and show results else no more gravy train - its not a permanent job. these function both as spies in every locality and line infantry/skirmishers/screening units. for offensive action, SF units trained to a higher level might deploy from district and regional HQ reserve for plausible deniability and make them impossible to track.

ofcourse more 'traditional' strike corps mobilization schemes are also in play. like maulvis are given a fat govt salary. so sections of them might be willing to raise tribal levies and lashkars for the cause when commanded by the sultana.

criminal dons and zamindars allied to TMC will have their own levies cutting across ethnic and religious silos.

overall, a well drilled and dispersed guerilla force that can gather and scatter on demand based on their own C3I channels. hard to fight or track.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Yagnasri » 08 May 2019 11:39

Narad wrote:
vijayk wrote:https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/most-sc-judges-rally-behind-cji-gogoi-question-justice-chandrachuds-letter-to-inquiry-panel/articleshow/69211982.cms?utm_source=twitter_app&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialsharebuttons


He will become CJI in 2022. He is the most dangerous BIF fellow. If Modi does not muster courage to get this guy out, he will destroy India


Actually I have a different take on him. Before being promoted to SC, he was posted in Aurangabad bench of Mumbai HC and at District courts before that.

, he was the youngest person to be appointed as a SC judge.


I do not think he worked in any district courts as far as I know. I will check. As for as being youngest, I think there was some others I am not readily remember their names but there are.

On merit I am not sure of it. How come only judges kids etc are the only people with merit? Can we ask that question?

As things stand today his views are becoming increasingly leftist to say the least. Not that such views per se and bad provided people had a say in his appointment like they do in US or even in India earlier. As CJI he may be a serious threat to elected representatives of the people and to our polity.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Singha » 08 May 2019 11:42

using the judicial activism as a stick to open fissures and beat the elected govt seems to be a new line of attack. not that all activism is bad, but lately it has increased to unheard of levels.
disrupt, slow things down, harass. and best thing is unlike IAS/IFS, the elected govt cannot play a role in their rise.
they are parallel stem of power.

its fairly easy for judiciary to do virtue signaling and moral posturing because they dont have to face the mess on the streets of the real world.
i was watching the netflix series on the nirbhaya case 'delhi crime' - dont know how true to events it is - but there too the police were "pulled up" for "lapses" by a judge sitting on a high pulpit.


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