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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Prasad » 09 May 2019 10:31

UlanBatori wrote:Suraj: OT for this thread, but perhaps on the Indian econ thread you could pick up this discussion and build on that observation. I agree now that basic electricity connection (single-point) has reached pretty-much every village. Need to go 2 pakistan outdoors has been immensely reduced, though I have doubts about the functionality of the indoor SwBht pakistans. So what becomes possible now? Ppl have a little money in their bank accounts, they have basic insurance (catastrophic), health insurance is available.... what is the next stage of the rural economy? (if NDA comes back to power..)

Jobs. Livelihood. Ways to spend money earned. - More jobs.

Massive push for entrepreneurship - mudra type loans for individual level enterprise. We've started that too but we need more. At the same time, more push for manufacturing in india. By legislating movement of mfg into the country and saying balls to anyone who wants us to plug into the global supply chain type nonsense and restricting their entry. See the whining of the americans for telling mastercard to do data localisation? Same.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby arshyam » 09 May 2019 10:34

hnair wrote:Ok, my biggest concern that I had since 2011, with Shree Modi still stands: He has put us in a single-point-failure Hemu situation and has done nothing to mitigate that.

Going by the Gujarat situation post-Modi, this does seem to be his weak point. Gujarat first had Anandiben Patel as the CM, then she was replaced, and the subsequent elections were not easy. Not what one would expect after a successful run of Modi's governance. I don't have much hopes on someone else emerging at Modi's level and calibre from within the current govt. Sure, there are good technocratic competent people like Piyush Goyal, Dharmendra Pradhan, Nirmala Sitharaman, Suresh Prabhu, etc., but none of them are mass leaders.

Looking at the rest of the BJP leadership, as you yourself said, AS is probably not the best of politicians, as opposed to being a master political strategist. He may not click as a future PM candidate. Yogi may do the right things in UP (we'll know when UP goes to polls next time), but as things stand, he won't catch the imagination of the middle classes the way Modi does. Parrikar could have been a contender, but fate unfortunately intervened. Shivraj Singh Chouhan is probably okay, but I doubt he has much support outside of MP. Also his defeat in the assembly elections, albeit narrow, has put a spanner in the works - I'd think his priority is to rebuild his MP base before thinking of any national ambitions. Lastly, I am not aware of his expressing any national ambitions, let's see what the post-2019 cabinet holds. Gadkari is a doer for sure, but his term as BJP president was generally lacklustre, and beyond MH, his appeal may not be that much. I am not sure of it even within MH, but will yield to someone with better knowledge about this.

However, I am counting on the BJP/RSS institutional system to promote some competent people though. While Modi himself might not be a great mentor (going by the Guj experience I mentioned above), he is still a product of the RSS, and so were Vajpayee, Advani, etc. In that regard, I am sure there are many such people they can find to groom. The BJP on the whole has done well to promote people who are competent, so I am counting on these two factors working to produce the next set of leaders. Some potential candidates who seem to be doing well at the state level are Devendra Phadnavis, Sarbananda Sonowal, Himanta Biswa Sarma (came from Congress, though), etc. Phadnavis and Sarma also have age at their side, so they can do a Modi by working well at the state level and later using that experience at the centre. But something tells me that Sarma is more in the Amit Shah mould than Modi. Maybe Singha-saar might have some thoughts on this?

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Lilo » 09 May 2019 10:37


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjpUpPnRMGU

Even though from rNDTV good analysis by the expert.
We have 10 years to shape up or be in the dumps for perpetuity per this guy.
A congie aNYAY kind of rentseeking govt coming back at this stage will put a fullstop to India's growth story.

Exclusive| ‘This election will be India’s turning point’: PM Modi

Q. What are the big issues in this election?

The 2019 elections are special because it is the first time that those born in the 21st century are voting. These youngsters are not burdened by the past, they are in pursuit of a better future. These youngsters do not want to be bogged down by dynastic shenanigans, they want a nation where merit is recognised. They do not want old-school caste politics, they want a new age development agenda.

Hence, in these elections, people will vote for those who they feel can build a better nation and lay the foundations of a strong and inclusive India. People will see our exemplary track record of 60 months, contrasting it with inertia of those who got the opportunity to rule for almost 60 years.

Q. Are you sure, because at least in Uttar Pradesh and Bihar, we hear that caste is still the most important factor.

People of all castes want development. Especially, the young generation, women – they want a solution for their problems. And all the schemes and programmes of my government not only provide them a solution, but also brings them hope of the 21st century.

Q. Why is the narrative of this election so polarizing — on both sides?

This is an election that will prove to be the turning point in India’s rise in the world. I am glad that this election has brought out the differences between the two sides clearly. Now, the people of India will be able to make a clear choice between the two ways of looking at the country.

Those who say family first or those who say India first. Those who send love letters when terror strikes or those who answer terrorists in their own language. Those who stand with “tukde-tukde” gang or those who stand with the armed forces.

Those who stand to protect those who are guilty of sedition or those who live and die to protect and preserve India’s integrity. Those who did dalali (brokered) defence deals and weakened Indian defence or those who proved India’s mettle even in space. Those who made headlines for scams after scams in every sector or those who have ended the culture of scams. Those who tried their best to besmirch India’s 5,000-year-old civilization or those who stand for learning from India’s glorious past to build a bright future.

The choice is simple and clear. Therefore, if you call such an election, where the two sides have been clearly identified the positions they take on vital issues, as polarized, then I would say it is a good thing.

Q. There are so many complaints being made to the Election Commission these days; and the whole thing has become controversial.

The Congress and its durbaaris have decided not to allow the EC to do its job well. Therefore, everywhere, they have people, professionals, who e-mail complaints, making sure the EC can’t do anything else.

The other thing is that in our country, courts never interfered in elections. These days, unfortunately, the court has also been pulled into it (with cases on the EC’s actions being filed before it).

The third thing is that before the great loss in the elections, just like a student who hasn’t done well makes excuses, they (the opposition) are pointing fingers at EVMs {electronic voting machines}, EC. Irrespective of whether there are elections or not, we have to respect institutions.
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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Singha » 09 May 2019 10:43

Sarma is a hybrid of the two - comfortable in front and back end work

But any prospects have to be a central minister with a good stint to build a recognition

While none may recapture the charisma of modi, a collection of charismatic state level CMs and some doers in the center can also work and not rely on one man

Modi is the first pan indian recognized leader after IG

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby OmkarC » 09 May 2019 11:22

nachiket wrote:NewIndianExpress has put up an article saying KCR is cozying up to the Congress and wants JDS to broker a deal, but the page isn't opening for me:
http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/ ... 74131.html


So, my info was right.. Its now on Hindustan times:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/lok-sabh ... 25kLI.html

Doesn't say if Jagan is also being reeled in.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Singha » 09 May 2019 11:41

Jagan has hardly made any noises pro or for anyone yet. playing the waiting game. Navin babu as well.

KCR and Naidu are imo jumping the gun a bit or left with no options by their backers but to line up with UPA+

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Singha » 09 May 2019 12:01

the upper band of middle income country is $12000.
we are presently 1/4 of that.
we will get to that level if we can flatline pop growth and quadruple our economy from 2.5T to 10T lets say in 2030 which is Namo goal.

a couple of interesting curves. Soko and Taiwan escaped the middle income trap (japan was the first asian country and maybe singapore next) while malaysia and thailand are claimed to be in that trap

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Singha » 09 May 2019 12:04

so south korea for 40 years now, every 10 years they have been doubling their economy.

it needs a 7% growth rate.

between 2020-2050 we need 30 years of very swift growth and flatlining of pop to truly extinguish poverty and become a mid rung (by per capita income) developed nation and strategically a global power.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Manish_Sharma » 09 May 2019 12:06

RSS was built with idea of "army of pygmys" not "hero generator" , if Sonia's anti Bhartiyataa with harsh mandar, aruna Roy, kavita krishnan, teesta & medha patkar as army to destroy us hadn't brought us to brink of collapse then RSS Mohan bhagwati wont have allowed Modi to become so big. It was desperate move due to desperate situation.

Open CRUHAD=Crusade+Jihad outsourced to Commie cabal slashing torturing Hindus Nationalists at great speed.

In 2000 who had imagined Modi surpassing Vajpayee?

Next Modi is also hidden well. Yogi , Ram Madhav, KP Maurya are all marked by international networks so next Modi has to be sprung suddenly...

In our 90 year circle next chapter will turn 2037

Remember
1947 = independence+partition
1857 = Bharat britain war + East India company Removed

1767 = Sirajudaula defeat and East India Company takes over

So next big change is 2037 , whether negative or positive up to us.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Singha » 09 May 2019 12:09

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_income_trap

one different thing that Panditji & his cabinet did was invest in high end education even when we were very poor, these mature matriarchs were then able to support and guide the next crops of institutes including the large expansion of iit/nit and new iiser chain in the early 2000s.
thailand and malaysia perhaps missed that trick , but china/soko/taiwan did not being more influenced by japans rise.

being a civilization hiding under garb of a state always helps in rebuilding intellectual foundations.

at the high end we must compete at world level in all fields.
at the low end the avg level of govt school education needs to take quantum leaps to reach korean or japan std.

its very hard to raise the avg across such a massive base and diverse economic situation as india but must be done for P1 or even P2 aspirations.

we dont want to crawl to P3 on strength of numbers and then flop down dead like a dog. we need to power through P3 and keep going for decades...

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby chetak » 09 May 2019 12:11

Singha wrote:Jagan has hardly made any noises pro or for anyone yet. playing the waiting game. Navin babu as well.

KCR and Naidu are imo jumping the gun a bit or left with no options by their backers but to line up with UPA+


the NCP gang is also quiet except for papa pawar obliquely espousing marathi pride a few times.

fadnavis cut them off at the knees by rendering the longstanding NCP/congi hegemony over the state APMCs and cooperative banks virtually impotent. Their funding and patronage, both removed in one fell swoop.

nobody ain't seen hide nor hair of praful patel whom tihar seems to be beckoning rather forcefully and via him the vadras'.
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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Yagnasri » 09 May 2019 12:12

In respect of AP (Undivided) it cursed with pro congress mindset mindset for decades. When TDP came it did played some positive national role under NTR which somewhat continued by CBN for a short time. Second major curse of AP is Venkayya Naidu who never allowed BJP to grow due to his Kamma caste feeling (TDP is basically Kamma Party) as it will damage TDP. BJP only got some chance to grow when Venkayya kicked up to become Vice President.

Local BJP leaders in TG and AP are now started doing some active work now. It will take a decade or so now for BJP to grow in both the states.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby KLNMurthy » 09 May 2019 12:16

UlanBatori wrote:Basically Satta Bajaar has not changed its prediction since March. Which suggests that they either have hugely prescient data on the minds of every voter - or they are just taking bets mostly from amateurs with no inside info at all.

Anyone know how close satta bazar was to the actual results in 2014, '17 and '18?

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Postby Singha » 09 May 2019 12:16

undivided AP is a core area full of creative, rich and very capable people. no reason why it should languish behind TN in industry going fwd.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby chetak » 09 May 2019 12:20

Yagnasri wrote:In respect of AP (Undivided) it cursed with pro congress mindset mindset for decades. When TDP came it did played some positive national role under NTR which somewhat continued by CBN for a short time. Second major curse of AP is Venkayya Naidu who never allowed BJP to grow due to his Kamma caste feeling (TDP is basically Kamma Party) as it will damage TDP. BJP only got some chance to grow when Venkayya kicked up to become Vice President.

Local BJP leaders in TG and AP are now started doing some active work now. It will take a decade or so now for BJP to grow in both the states.


they need the congi govt to press on with their ej onslaught. the BIF has a lot of money invested in this enterprise. did they not breach even the citadel of Tirupati during the YSR regime.

The massive blowback made them back off temporarily and later, in the hope that jagan would take over.

venkayya has many business interests to protect and also help blossom so his tail was trimmed just a bit before matters got out of hand.

cbn aids only those who aid him so he is a fit candidate for the BIF to work with.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Yagnasri » 09 May 2019 12:29

Singha wrote:undivided AP is a core area full of creative, rich and very capable people. no reason why it should languish behind TN in industry going fwd.


What will happen when you vote congress time and again even when all others kick the Congress in the a$$?? You need any other reason?

In 1977 out of 42 seats of AP 41 won by Congress. You will remember this is the election won by Janata Party and Indira herself lost the her own MP seat. In 2009 out of 42 some 33 were won by Congress. UPA 1&2 possible only with massive support from AP. Best thing division of AP did was it destroyed Congress chances in AP and TG at least in short term.

Still TDP founded as anti Congress party is now pro congress party under CBN and Jagan is of course a open EJ version of Congress. KCR has no political ideas other than welfare mafia ideas. No Telugu political leader has any inclination for industrial development etc in the state. Only thing they all look for real estate and public fund loot. The main money making in AP and TG is those two activities only Whatever Software and other things happen in spite of politicos and not with their help or because of them. In fact they actively see to that there is no development at all in many cases.

CBN is now actively BIF and KCR will soon be.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Suraj » 09 May 2019 12:38

The middle income trap is not an end result. It's an obstacle, something that can and should be tackled with policy options. My general belief is that the middle income trap is a result of a country 'running out of tricks' . This is particularly the case when a country depends on doing one trick very well to get to that point. But then the law of diminishing returns sets in, and they lose their competitive advantage to someone else, and lack the financial, technological or industrial resources to continue to move forward. The solution to avoiding that trap is to continuously maintain a broad based economy capable of producing or cheaply acquiring all primary resources, with a vast light/medium/heavy industry and a monster services/consumer economy upon that. We are rather well placed in that regard, except for lacking in secondary (industrial) capability. But we have time, resources and resolve to build it.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby nachiket » 09 May 2019 12:53

Yagnasri wrote:
What will happen when you vote congress time and again even when all others kick the Congress in the a$$?? You need any other reason?

In 1977 out of 42 seats of AP 41 won by Congress. You will remember this is the election won by Janata Party and Indira herself lost the her own MP seat. In 2009 out of 42 some 33 were won by Congress. UPA 1&2 possible only with massive support from AP. Best thing division of AP did was it destroyed Congress chances in AP and TG at least in short term.

Still TDP founded as anti Congress party is now pro congress party under CBN and Jagan is of course a open EJ version of Congress. KCR has no political ideas other than welfare mafia ideas. No Telugu political leader has any inclination for industrial development etc in the state. Only thing they all look for real estate and public fund loot. The main money making in AP and TG is those two activities only Whatever Software and other things happen in spite of politicos and not with their help or because of them. In fact they actively see to that there is no development at all in many cases.

CBN is now actively BIF and KCR will soon be.

People from the ecosystem will not stray far. Sharad Pawar founded NCP by breaking fromt he Congress because he was angry that Sonia Gandhi got the leadership despite being non-Indian and having no credentials except being RG's wife. But what are the facts on the ground? NCP has been in an alliance with the congress for both state and national elections every time.

AP people are not the only ones to do this congress worship. Most states in India have done that. MH voted for Congress/NCP in the immediate aftermath of 26/11 despite the tone-deaf comment of our Home Minister RR Patil saying "Small things keep happening in big cities" and the failure of the government to prevent, deal with or respond to the attack.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Yagnasri » 09 May 2019 12:58

Check the MH state outside Mumbai city, you find it was/is very bad situation there also. Even drinking water was not there in summer in places like Latur. DF did some good work on water roads etc.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby nachiket » 09 May 2019 13:02

Yagnasri wrote:Check the MH state outside Mumbai city, you find it was/is very bad situation there also. Even drinking water was not there in summer in places like Latur. DF did some good work on water roads etc.

I know what the state was. I was talking about earlier - 2009 period. Congress/NCP had been ruling MH for the most part and they had done nothing to fix the water or the electricity load shedding situation. On top of that you had 26/11 and people still kept voting them in, even in Mumbai!

Water situation is bad even today btw, although DF's Jalyukt shivar has had some effect.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Suraj » 09 May 2019 13:12

Clean water is the next basic public good to deliver. To be fair, it's probably the hardest, because its quality and purity is critical, and therefore it requires enormous front loaded cost into infrastructure and operational management. Arguably, everything else Modi managed to deliver to >9 of 10 people so far - sanitation, electricity, roads, banking, cooking fuel, are all things done without having to risk public health. It is a shrewd move - fix the low hanging fruit with urgency and prove himself. But water has a very different problem - it's the one public utility good that's personally consumed. Everything else on the list so far is just stuff used, except for sanitation which is about stuff coming out and not going into the body. It'll take a lot more comprehensive investment and management to solve the access to clean water issue.

The charts I posted in the previous page are pretty telling. Almost every items in the list above was accessible to only about 40-45% of the rural population in 2014, up from about 15-20% in 2004. Example - rural latrines up from 38% in 2014 to over 90% now. They're all now north of 90%, and we can now say that in most basic parameters, India provides basic public goods and services to nearly all, with the exception of clean water.

This full court press at delivering these basic goods by 2019, has saved us probably 1.5-2 decades more it would have taken at the previous linear rate of improvement. It's happened in such a very short time, that I think it's political ramifications are hard to estimate right now. Maybe the populace gets it - after all the rural poor are its overwhelmingly dominant beneficiaries. We'll see what this election says about it.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby hnair » 09 May 2019 14:30

singha, what you are saying about AP and KL is at best a personal opinion, based on what you read from media and that which is floated by a particular political party in power in that state.

Eg: the flood in Kerala was a once in a century event for a place not used to this scale of inundation and hence there was no mechanism in place to deal with it, unlike the well equipped machinery in the eastern seaboard for cyclones. It is like an earthquake hitting florida or a hurricane hitting Bay Area. Nothing is going to prepare them for that. Btw, the locals, including me and my entire family all pitched in for days without waiting for you or anyone to land from Bangalore and help us because we believed "we are exceptional". What happened afterwards, about games that CPI-M plays with BJP in center is a different matter. The center has allocated sufficient funds now and it needs to be seen if the current Stalling Stalin will do the right thing. Center gave a specific quantum of funds not because Kerala is exceptional, but because Kerala is an integral part of India and its voters are aware that it provides significant tax revenue (and forex inflow) to center. If it did not happen and CPI-M propaganda gets believed by both sides (non-Kerala BJP supporters who is gleeful that Kerala was shown its place and leftists who are gleeful their picture of BJP as a monster is complete), that is when outside forces can fool around

Every state of India has exhibited some sense of exceptionalism since Independence, based on what that particular state establishment think is in their strategic interest. Eg: why was there wide support in Assam during 80s for outrageous royalties from the Digboi fields, while no one in Kerala asks for royalties from black sand mining for rare earths? Or AP or KL asking for royalties from Thorium deposits.

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Postby sudhan » 09 May 2019 15:09

PIL filed against Indira Jaisingh in SC

For accepting foreign funds during UPA2

Counter measures seem to be in the works for the expected disruptions after May23

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby hnair » 09 May 2019 15:16

Suraj wrote:Clean water


One of the pre-reqs for conserving our water source is prevention of environmental degradation. This is one part where china totally dropped the ball on.

This includes
- scaling up the excellent solid-waste management model of Indore/Bhopal to other urban areas
- stricter effluent treatment norms and enforcement
- bringing in old Indian practices of frugality in packaging etc, in addition to the costlier recyling mechanism

The green tribunal (NGT) has been rid of useless jholawalla types, unlike Jairam Ramesh times. But danger of paid lobbyist getting in is also high, since some of the posts are lateral appointments

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Gus » 09 May 2019 16:00

modi is 68 now. I think he will still run in 73 for another term. coming term should be less strenuous than current term.

opposition will be further divided. dynasty will be in trouble on legal fronts and will be questioned by regional congress leaders who get mass base from states where it is bjp vs congress.

I understand the hemu thing...but it is the opposition that needs to worry more. they have nobody to even rally around. they have to rebuild from scratch to provide credible opposition in 2024 and 2029.

and I think the template is now changed to strong regional performance and building a strong base in one region and then going national.

modi went from west to nation. fadnavis can do same, yogi can do from north. himanta can do from NE, but unfortunately the region is small.

south will lag behind, with only KA having potential for contributing leadership from the younger cadre there....like tejaswi.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby vinod » 09 May 2019 16:26

Congress has now started the fight back on Virat

Senior Navy officer rejects PM Modi's claim, says 'Gandhi family on-board INS Viraat for official visit'
https://www.timesnownews.com/india/arti ... sit/415657

Retired Vice Admiral Vinod Pasricha claimed that Rajiv Gandhi and his family were present on-board INS Viraat as they were on an official visit. He also claimed that no other visitors accompanied them.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby ShyamSP » 09 May 2019 16:28

Yagnasri wrote:
Singha wrote:undivided AP is a core area full of creative, rich and very capable people. no reason why it should languish behind TN in industry going fwd.


What will happen when you vote congress time and again even when all others kick the Congress in the a$$?? You need any other reason?

In 1977 out of 42 seats of AP 41 won by Congress. You will remember this is the election won by Janata Party and Indira herself lost the her own MP seat. In 2009 out of 42 some 33 were won by Congress. UPA 1&2 possible only with massive support from AP. Best thing division of AP did was it destroyed Congress chances in AP and TG at least in short term.

Still TDP founded as anti Congress party is now pro congress party under CBN and Jagan is of course a open EJ version of Congress. KCR has no political ideas other than welfare mafia ideas. No Telugu political leader has any inclination for industrial development etc in the state. Only thing they all look for real estate and public fund loot. The main money making in AP and TG is those two activities only Whatever Software and other things happen in spite of politicos and not with their help or because of them. In fact they actively see to that there is no development at all in many cases.

CBN is now actively BIF and KCR will soon be.


<1947 - Andhra was split between British via Justice Party (esp Zamindaris that control masses) and Independence movement. Telangana was under Nizam. Tamil Justice party went Dravidian, Telugu justice faction went to Congress
1947-1983 - Congress golden era
1945-1951 - Telanga Sayuda Poratam (Telangana rebellion). Peak of communism in Andhra side also to support Telangana.
1956-1974 - Swatantra party which later merged into Lokdal which became Janta Party which became Janata Dal.
1968-1972 - Jai Telanga and Jai Andhra movements
1977-1984 - Janata wave at Center but AP elected Congress.
1983 - TDP started with BCs, Kammas, old Swatantra people, borderline communists, ordinary Telugus, and other Congress-haters with for/by/of Telugus as identity
1984 -1989 - INC Tsunami at Center but AP elected TDP as largest opposition party to parliament (BJP got 2 MP seats then)
1989-1991 - National Front with NTR as President but AP elected INC at Center
1991-2004 - AP was compatible with Center under PVNR and Vajpayee.
1996-1998 - Naidu was convenor of United Front.
2004-2014 - AP put Sonia at Center with its 30 seats while both BJP and TDP losing badly. Corruption was also worst and highest in this period.
2014-2019 - AP voted for NDA and TDP is out of NDA due to no benefit seen from Modi.
2019- - Naidu is active with Third Front/MGB

TDP/CBN is playing in national third front politics in his capacity. Whatever politics he is doing now is nothing new and don't consider it as BIF. Other than your imagination he is hardly engaged in BIF except that he definitely aligned with global capitalists and tech leaders to bring companies to AP. Also not doing anything for development is your imagination as he paid political cost in 2004 precisely for focusing solely on development than welfare schemes to make AP to move out as agrarian state. YSR came made AP as welfare state and brought Congress welfare model again an eye candy and also looted most in AP as more income started coming from non-agriculture also.

KCR is opportunist and wanted to follow CBN and YSR to build his own empire and very successful on it. Congress ex-MP V. Hanumanth Rao in a recent interview was explaining how KCR used to work with them on Telangana movement and later hijack it for his own benefit. KCR was wily fox in what was monkey (BJP)-monkey (INC) fight of splitting AP.

Politics in Telugu states are highly competitive due to peoples nature and caste groupings and all that happens there is to be seen in that context. If BJP wants its share, it has to compete and show what it can do for state. Again anti-BJP doesn't mean anti-Hindu or anti-India or BIF but a political competition. Of course, real BIFs need to be handled effectively but we can't broad brush anything political anti-BJP as BIF.
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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby manjgu » 09 May 2019 16:33

some retired naval officer is saying on TV..viraat was there for PM's ( rajiv) security !!! next time we will have T90 for PM's security when he goes to jaisalmer !!

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Postby chetak » 09 May 2019 16:41

Lilo wrote:[youtubeEjpUpPnRMGU[/youtube]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjpUpPnRMGU




headlines are already out, which is exactly what both clowns really wanted.

Narendra Modi’s Economic Advisory Council member predicts 'middle income trap' in economy

the runditv turd jain just cannot stop licking his chops in anticipation of an "alleged" impending disaster.

he just cannot hide his joy and schadenfreude at what is being "forecast" even though its effect is predicted about 15-20 years down the pike.

I think that there is nothing new in what this 'expert" is saying. He is quite cagey about having "conveyed" his ideas to the govt so he has found a soapbox to clamber up on to and claim his 15 minutes of fame. maybe his contract is not being renewed.

As per many other analyses, India produces much more items of mass consumption than this guy is giving us credit for.

For eg, the cotton textiles we produce in comparison with pak is really low end and has a mass consumption market in India as opposed to his Rs 3000/= shirt, but the goods manufactured from such textiles are also much appreciated and widely consumed in pak. this trade happens via the gulf. likewise, there are numerous such examples. paki cotton textiles available in some high end markets in dilli is very expensive and the quality is excellent because right from the beginning the pakis preferentially invested in high end machinery and high quality raw materials and had the high end markets to cater to, as compared to India, but not anymore because their input costs have skyrocketed and raw material costs have gone through the roof making production risky and unprofitable.

the beedis have preferential access to eu and ameriki markets which they exploit to the hilt. big industries don't have viability in many northern states because of corruption, extortion and many other law and order issues. In comparison, the south is relatively quieter/friendlier in terms of industrial climate, law and order and just maybe, just a little less corrupt.

farmers distress is because they still depend on the vagaries of the weather and we have yet to develop a canal system to reach water to drought prone areas. interlinking of rivers has been actively sabotaged by regional parties as well as vote bank politics. access to year round water may dramatically change many of their lives but many will still commit suicide because the compensation is often seen as a panacea to their being constantly hounded and threatened by unscrupulous money lenders hell bent on the recovery of their loans.
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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 09 May 2019 16:54

Farmer distress is because we have too many farmers as proportion to population, the more we industrialize, the demand for farm produce will be distributed to lesser number of farmers, y, ou cannot have 67% of the population dependent on farming, the ultimate AIM of BIF is stop India from being a competitor.

The best way to keep people poor and Middile class is too give easy loans and enforce collection, we have too many financiers renting it out

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Aditya_V wrote:Farmer distress is because we have too many farmers as proportion to population, the more we industrialize, the demand for farm produce will be distributed to lesser number of farmers, y, ou cannot have 67% of the population dependent on farming, the ultimate AIM of BIF is stop India from being a competitor.

The best way to keep people poor and Middile class is too give easy loans and enforce collection, we have too many financiers renting it out


land holdings are small due to inheritance issues and are getting smaller making their productivity very low.

Many have migrated to the cities and many more will unless we can industrialize more in rural areas where no one actually wants to go.

A doctor who takes 10-12 years to qualify will not go to a rural area, come what may. His life aspirations have changed and he could not care less, once he joins the rat race.

PSUs have industrialized in some rural areas but have built exclusive and walled townships for their employees giving only some minimal housekeeping and landscaping jobs to a few of the locals and this has given rise to a lot of resentment.

There are two very distinct Indias' and rarely do they mix.

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Postby pankajs » 09 May 2019 18:01


Strange talks one hears these days and that too from folks who are at the center of economic policy ...
[Quote @ 1:50] We will not be South Korea, we will not be China. We will be Brazil .. we will be South Africa. [/quote]

Now I did a google check for Per Capita GDP of China and Brazil. After all middle income trap is mostly spoken of in terms of per capita GDP.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRICS

Table: Member countries
Nominal per capita GDP (USD)
Brazil 9,344
China 10,153
India 2,199

What the heck is this guy talking about? If we will be Brazil then we will also be China on per capita. Besides, for us to hit the middle income trap, our per capita GDP in USD has to quadruple! That is a really long ... LONG way away ....

Economy slowing is one thing but talk of a middle income trap in the "next 5 years" is just bonkers.

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Postby pankajs » 09 May 2019 18:04

OmkarC wrote:
nachiket wrote:NewIndianExpress has put up an article saying KCR is cozying up to the Congress and wants JDS to broker a deal, but the page isn't opening for me:
http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/ ... 74131.html


So, my info was right.. Its now on Hindustan times:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/lok-sabh ... 25kLI.html

Doesn't say if Jagan is also being reeled in.

Just like Gadkari being in the running for the PM ship was in all the papers once.

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Postby pankajs » 09 May 2019 18:09

Singha wrote:Jagan has hardly made any noises pro or for anyone yet. playing the waiting game. Navin babu as well.

KCR and Naidu are imo jumping the gun a bit or left with no options by their backers but to line up with UPA+

There is no shame in politics. Do not discount KCR just because he has made a move. This is all time-pass.

These moves are all part and parcel of politicking in India. No party is untouchable for BJP except for CON and Communist and vice versa.

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Postby CRamS » 09 May 2019 18:09

In this season of bogus sanctimony from the Lutyen eliten, epitomized by self-righteous frauds like Yougendra Yadav or 5-star activists like Swara Bhaskar, reminds me of US self righteous nationalist media. If you have ever studied US media, especially in times of conflict with 'bad guys', the gallons of moralistic sophistry to paint the 'bad guys' as demons and themselves as pristine saints will make even the most objective of observers like me feel a tad sympathy for the 'bad guys'.

Likewise, anyone with a fair mind will be wondering why the Yogendra Yadav types in their suave, somber, ultra righteous tone find so much fault with ModiJi (and now even ModiJi supporters like Minhaz Merchnat have joined in the self righteous cacophony), but never shed an ounce of moralistic outrage from the day Pappu started screaming 'chowkidar chor hai'. These elites thought that those type of slogans would paint ModiJi with the stink of corruption and sink him, and so they were enjoying from the side-lines. But when ModiJi ferociously struck back, they don't like it.

On the larger theme, one of the reasons I am a BJP supporter is because they have given voice to those who are rustic, sons-of-the soil. Now, mind you, given my English education background, I may not approve of the language they sometimes use, but what I love is that they are giving back to colonized elite what they have had to endure at the hands of this elite. Case in point is this guy Ramesh Bidhuri who verbally punches Kujli on his groin :-).

https://www.aninews.in/news/national/po ... 509145240/

Having said that, like the hard core white Christian nationalist republican party in US, BJP, while giving voice to the rustic Hindu sons-of-the soil like Ramesh Bidhuri, must also ensure suave and responsible leadership (like ModiJi, JetLee etc) at the top so these dudes don't go overboard :-). But make no mistake, it is guys like Ramesh Bidhuri, who at the grass roots level can help fight the curse of caste-based outlook through the message of Hinduthva brotherhood.

Note all these pompous 5-star like Swara Bhaskar who hang out with goons arrayed against BJP and ModiJi are the worst casteists and Islamists, and ironically, it will be Hindu elites like her who will be first targets of casteist and Islamists pogroms should any of the Chutiyas she supports come to power.

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Postby pankajs » 09 May 2019 18:26

On the Hemu front, one must understand a few fundamental differences from those days.

1. RSS. There was no equivalent (almost) pan India organization then that formed the foundation that provided direction, a core ideology and a committed carder.
2. The consciousness of mangos has evolved from those days.
3. India would have changed to the right even more by the time Modi leaves the scene. The Right would have become more vocal at all levels by then too.

Is BJP due to RSS or is RSS due to BJP? So while the charisma might be missing the ideology, the leaders and the carder will still be there. And it will throw up another equivalent when the time comes. Quite a few BJP chief ministers have gotten 3 consecutive terms in their respective states. So the material is there.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby hanumadu » 09 May 2019 19:02

chetak wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:Farmer distress is because we have too many farmers as proportion to population, the more we industrialize, the demand for farm produce will be distributed to lesser number of farmers, y, ou cannot have 67% of the population dependent on farming, the ultimate AIM of BIF is stop India from being a competitor.

The best way to keep people poor and Middile class is too give easy loans and enforce collection, we have too many financiers renting it out


land holdings are small due to inheritance issues and are getting smaller making their productivity very low.

Many have migrated to the cities and many more will unless we can industrialize more in rural areas where no one actually wants to go.

A doctor who takes 10-12 years to qualify will not go to a rural area, come what may. His life aspirations have changed and he could not care less, once he joins the rat race.

PSUs have industrialized in some rural areas but have built exclusive and walled townships for their employees giving only some minimal housekeeping and landscaping jobs to a few of the locals and this has given rise to a lot of resentment.

There are two very distinct Indias' and rarely do they mix.


The small land holdings will reach a inflection point. Many hold on to the land because it is of some value relative to their other income and of sentimental value. Eventually it will become insignificant. The parents and grand parents of kids who are in the cities and working white collar jobs are still alive looking after the land. Once that generation passes away, people will eventually come around to selling their land. If they are wise, they would sell it already and buy some property in urban areas where the returns are more.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby sreerudra » 09 May 2019 19:22

It is clear that NDA will form the Govt. But the BIG question is how the courts will play into all this?
Opposition (CBN et all) have already met during Ambani's wedding with Hillary and other deep state officials strategizing how to take control of India.

It is pretty clear that courts are already sold to supporting the Deep state (The govt vs. collegium for example) and other unnecessary racking up of cases (Sabarimala etc.) to irk BJPs chances. This is where the war will be waged in the second term of Modi. Any comments?

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby mmasand » 09 May 2019 19:31

sreerudra wrote:It is clear that NDA will form the Govt. But the BIG question is how the courts will play into all this?
Opposition (CBN et all) have already met during Ambani's wedding with Hillary and other deep state officials strategizing how to take control of India.

It is pretty clear that courts are already sold to supporting the Deep state (The govt vs. collegium for example) and other unnecessary racking up of cases (Sabarimala etc.) to irk BJPs chances. This is where the war will be waged in the second term of Modi. Any comments?


Calm down, the Clinton's of all have no influence on the deep state, and neither is India living in the stone ages of colonisation to be influenced. The eco-system in North/South block is crumbling and this is nothing but a last ditch effort to stay prominent in the coming decade.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby sreerudra » 09 May 2019 19:50

mmasand wrote:
sreerudra wrote:It is clear that NDA will form the Govt. But the BIG question is how the courts will play into all this?
Opposition (CBN et all) have already met during Ambani's wedding with Hillary and other deep state officials strategizing how to take control of India.

It is pretty clear that courts are already sold to supporting the Deep state (The govt vs. collegium for example) and other unnecessary racking up of cases (Sabarimala etc.) to irk BJPs chances. This is where the war will be waged in the second term of Modi. Any comments?


Calm down, the Clinton's of all have no influence on the deep state, and neither is India living in the stone ages of colonisation to be influenced. The eco-system in North/South block is crumbling and this is nothing but a last ditch effort to stay prominent in the coming decade.


Mmsand sir, do you think it is that easy to dismantle the Deepstate?
IMO during the first term, BJP only got the license to drive the car but neither it owned the car nor called shots on policymaking.
The amount of control collegium has on the country really worries me.


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