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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 13 May 2019 15:54

Vikas wrote:Not only that, As per the book, Nobles were supposed to bring their wives and consorts for fun filled orgy with everyone doing everyone. The book had all the salacious details.


Except 1 Paki who decided, he needed the fun but for his wife or daughter, so he brought a prostitute from Delhi to act as his wife and screwed the wives of Secular Sikhs and Hindus.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Lilo » 13 May 2019 16:01

Aditya_V wrote:
Vikas wrote:Not only that, As per the book, Nobles were supposed to bring their wives and consorts for fun filled orgy with everyone doing everyone. The book had all the salacious details.


Except 1 Paki who decided, he needed the fun but for his wife or daughter, so he brought a prostitute from Delhi to act as his wife and screwed the wives of Secular Sikhs and Hindus.


How is all this related to election?

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Pratyush » 13 May 2019 16:05

Guys,

Take it easy.

Don't get mad get even.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Picklu » 13 May 2019 16:27

Rahul M wrote:
nandakumar wrote:A question for people familiar with WB landscape. If today TMC is acting as per Left playbook and that the model is flawless how come, TMC still beat the Left in its own game in 2009 parliamentary election and later in 2011 despite the handicap of a hostile central govt back then?
to paraphrase a bengali saying, the ground eroded from right under their feet. The muscle jumped sides seeing the change in wind direction and the left started losing out in the street level fights, which is truthfully where politics is won or lost in bengal.
This is what will also happen to tmc in 2021 if bjp crosses into double digits this time. Remember that before they cleaned up the left in 2011, tmc showed it is an able alternative by taking 18 seats in GE 2009.


I have mentioned this earlier also, one important part that's being missed here is that Prakash Karat on 2008 had taken back Left Front Support from UPA 1 due to Nuclear Bill.

Jihadidi didn't waste any time and formed a coalition with Cong. So, in 2009 GE, she had full support of the centre and also backing of central money to win the left front vote machinery. Sonia didn't waste any minute either to cut LF to size given the threat to UPA govt due to the support withdrawal. There were tacit understanding that Jihadidi would get a free hand in the state, she in turn would support UPA in the centre.

Add the EJ money and direction given to Maoists for Singur and Nandigram agitation, a sympathetic governor Gopalkrishna Gandhi (he is still president hopeful btw) in that volatile mix and that created the ground for the muscles jumping side.

The Maoist action squads were fully involved in Nandigram and partially in Singur to take on LF muscle.

I think I would echo Lal Mullah's sage adage that 80% of the BRF posts go unread. :((

And no, I repeat, Jihadidi is not doing anything new, the entire playbook is developed by Left and perfected over decades, not just in India but world over. It works on complete social domination.

You can check how Viet Cong cadres used to visit the villages and cut off the hand of the kids immediately after the US soldier in a heart and mind approach visited them and given inoculation.

Just today, WB govt denied the permission of Amit Shah to hold a meeting. The excuse is that the owner of land has complained to the police. The issue is simply that the owner has to live, he does not have any option other than follow TMC dictate and lodge a complaint per their direction.

Even today, BJP in many cases can not employ the local decorators/suppliers and has to bring in tent, chair and all such materials from neighboring state because all the local suppliers, under the threat of TMC, would refuse to do business with them. And that is the most minor problem BJP has to face.

The real threat are faced by people associated with BJP. The people who at the ground level do BJP work are true lion hearts, the kind of social boycott and harrassment they have to go through is unbelievable. Their kids will get extra punishment in school. Their wife/adult kids will face harrasment in workplace. Relatives coming to visit their place will face barracking. There is constant harassment with threat of life endangering violence, not just for them but their near and dear ones.

Each and every person who has worked as polling agent in BJP is a marked one and within the next 3 to 6 months would either be forced to switch side or beaten black and blue and leave their ancestral home. The Central force will leave after election, there won't be anyone to protect them.

And if you think this is some thing TMC has developed, you should ask your Bengali friends what it used to mean during Left front period when white cloth ('sada than' in bengali) used to be left in the front of the house at the dead of the night.
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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby ArjunPandit » 13 May 2019 16:36

^^negi sir, I share your sentiment, but please delete your post, it is below BRF standards. I humbly request you to do so. I learn a lot from your posts so would not want to myself report your post as a mark of my respect for you.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 13 May 2019 16:37

Lilo wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:
Except 1 Paki who decided, he needed the fun but for his wife or daughter, so he brought a prostitute from Delhi to act as his wife and screwed the wives of Secular Sikhs and Hindus.


How is all this related to election?


He is the Paternal Grandfather one Captain Amarinder Singh and his sister Harminder Kaur(Wife of Natwar singh), so one can know in INC family matters.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Lilo » 13 May 2019 16:45

Aditya_V wrote:
Lilo wrote:How is all this related to election?

He is the Paternal Grandfather one Captain Amarinder Singh, so one can know in INC family matters.
Aditya ji,
That is what is called a post facto justification to some thing not required in the first place .
Do you think i didnt know that fact about Captain Amarinder singh relation when Singha saar first made that post?
I thought it will get buried amidst the other posts but you people are salaciously discussing that post after post now.
This is an open forum meant to discuss election matters not bawdy matters of long dead Raibahadurs(The House of Patiala entered into treaty with the British against Maharaja Ranjith Singh ji in 1800 and fought alongside the British against the Sikhs in the Anglo-Sikh wars. How about you guys discuss this with this much interest ?)
This will be the last post of mine on this issue.
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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby ArjunPandit » 13 May 2019 16:59

what are the current BRF projects based on the latest phase of voting?

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Uttam » 13 May 2019 17:08

This is my first contribution to this thread.

My uncle who is a founder/supporter of AAP in Delhi. He voted NOTA. This was an absolute surprise for us. He has been a militant supporter of AAP and Khujli. I know it is anecdotal but still a significant one.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby kurup » 13 May 2019 17:21

Lilo wrote:
India's first terrorist is a Hindu : Kamal Hassan campaigning in a Muslim neighbourhood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b7YBLumqE4


He is finally showing his true colours .

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Picklu » 13 May 2019 17:42

Some photos from the vernacular newspapers about yesterday's poll in WB; mind you, the ECI has already declared it peaceful. You may not be able to read but the photos are enough and then you make your own decision how the polling is going on in WB. The news are from ABP by the way, not from some small time, fly by night, news media.

https://www.anandabazar.com/state/lok-s ... l-1.991884

The image in the first report shows the TMC goons barracking and brick pelting on the convoy of BJP candidate. The photo is from one place, there were literally 100s of such incidents, wherever the BJP functionaries went during the polling day. You can imagine the situation in side the booth. As is the norm, no action would be taken, TMC would later proclaim that BJP candidate/functionary were trying to provoke local people with hate speech and the people have acted spontaneously. Even if Central forces/ECI takes any legal action, it would revert back to WB police immediately after election and then they will all go scot-free.

Also if you notice, there are people posted at the back of the action squad to take video of the image. There are 2 functions for such video:

a. in case BJP functionaries and their body guards take any action, use the edited video to go to court and complain about heavy handedness of central forces etc etc .
b. in case BJP functionaries turn tail, edit the video suitably and share on SM etc to create the fear psychosis for BJP supporters in other areas

https://www.anandabazar.com/state/lok-s ... r-1.991887

In the second report shows the car of the press reporters travelling with BJP candidate. This is the norm and not exception. All BJP candidates, their supporters, their bodyguards and even press accompanying them face this on regular basis on the campaign trail.

In fact CISF jawans deputed as bodyguard of the candidate had to fire on the air and one of them were critically injured in the bricks pelted by the goons. And then WB State Police, supposedly under ECI, had actually tried to detain the CISF body guards for unauthorized firing.

https://www.anandabazar.com/state/lok-s ... l-1.991638

The photo of the situation: the BJP candidate seating inside the police station to take refuge from the TMC goons, her bodyguards had to fire on air to stop them physically lynching the candidate.

She went to the place hearing booth capture, her convoy were attacked. The moment she tried to reach the polling station on foot, the ladies squad of TMC had physically attacked her and started beating.

Her body guards were mostly male and hence not well equipped to handle the situation. They had to fire in air to protect her, there is a photo of that as well.

WB police, as usual, did the minimum to protect her (they also don't want her to die as they will be questioned, their goal is just to break the moral). Once she took shelter in the local police station, she were kept there for hours in the pretext of protection. Mind you, there was one injured CISF jawan with her in the need of medical attention.

In the mean time, get this, the WB police seized her vehicle, as documents were supposedly not on order!!!

Finally, she left in the car of her bodyguards with the injured jawan. And no, the ordeal was not over. In every road block back to the city hospital, WB police personnel tried to block their car and detain the CISF jawans for unauthorized firing. The CISF commandant had to argue for hours in all the blocks and finally had to go to a police station near the city to record his statement. Only after that, they were allowed to proceed to the hospital and the candidate and the jawan could get medical treatment.

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People in the forum think Central Forces and ECI are all powerful, without having any clue how they can be manipulated by the state ruling party.

If you think the WB police detaining the car of the candidate and trying to detain her bodyguards and in general harassing them, all in the pretext of following ECI rules, is an anomaly, read further on.

Just today, one of the BJP candidates had a seat-in protest in Kolkata against harrasment. Using the ECI direction of searching car for money to influence voters, WB police had effectively detained his entire convoy for 6 hours on the campaign trail. 3 sets of police team had searched each and everything in the convoy and even after that had asked him to go to police station to sign the statement. On asking question, WB police, in a smug face, showing the ECI directive and openly stating they have video-graphed the entire search so everything is above board. And such is common place, happening regularly. Even a person of the stature of Mukul Roy (he was actually the junior railway minister during UPA2) had to face this regularly in the last couple of weeks.

And the most frustrating part is, this is nothing new, ECI faces this in WB in every election. God knows, why they don't learn anything. The state vote machinery and police combo is much more creative and agile compared to them and run rings around each and every time. How can they shamelessly declare peaceful, free and fair election is something no sane person can fathom.
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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Mort Walker » 13 May 2019 17:43

ArjunPandit wrote:what are the current BRF projects based on the latest phase of voting?


BJP<160 and NDA<180
Rahul will be PM and Mamta didi will be HM on May 24.

BJP will lose onlee. :(( :(( :((

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby abhijitm » 13 May 2019 17:57

BJP 190-200
NDA 220-230

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby chetak » 13 May 2019 18:26

mmasand wrote:Lt Gen Panag is the news again for the wrong reasons, endorses a tweet calling for a revolution/coup if BJP retains LS.


khalistanis come in many shapes and sizes.

being recognised on SM and having paapi connections have gone to some people's heads

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby ArjunPandit » 13 May 2019 18:29

Mort Walker wrote:
ArjunPandit wrote:what are the current BRF projects based on the latest phase of voting?


BJP<160 and NDA<180
Rahul will be PM and Mamta didi will be HM on May 24.

BJP will lose onlee. :(( :(( :((

Thanks for the confirmation..i was hoping for this only..we need dilbu again...

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby mmasand » 13 May 2019 18:48

Pratyush wrote:Guys,

Take it easy.

Don't get mad get even.


+100

This is an attempt to instigate the people, and one should not fall into this nefarious trap. For 5 years they have kept quiet, once the elections are over, they will vanish into oblivion till 2024.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby komal » 13 May 2019 18:58

Mort Walker wrote:BJP<160 and NDA<180
Rahul will be PM and Mamta didi will be HM on May 24.

BJP will lose onlee. :(( :(( :((


It is scary to think that a substantial portion of the most highly educated people in India prefer that outcome.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby abhik » 13 May 2019 19:09

Singha wrote:with a week to kill before next phase of polls and fertile creative minds boiling over with curiosity, energy and hunger to learn, lets use this interval to educate ourselves about such dark episodes like the massacre of punekar brahmans , swept under the rug in the pre internet era.

these nuggets are what lead to self exploration and future knalege.

+786, there are quite a few things I'm leaning from the first time, the thread shouldn't be limited to copy pasting MSM articles, memes and pulled-from-the-mush seat predictions.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby abhik » 13 May 2019 19:11

BTW did it come out why Saurabh Jha's twitter account got removed?


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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby CRamS » 13 May 2019 19:32

Guys, I was just scanning the twitter lines of the usual ModiJi haters just to gauge what their buzz is, noticed that his statements on using e-mail, cloud cover benefiting IAF etc; it seems to me that its much ado over some minor gaffes at best. Next few days will tell if these gaffes have any traction among the wider public. I doubt it.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Zynda » 13 May 2019 19:58

I think his strategy has worked beautifully as expected. Libtards over at SM & probably to a certain extent at MSM are busy and/or arguing trying to prove his radar & cell phone statements wrong...After a long time, I feel like BJP is setting the agenda and others are busy chasing the stories set by BJP in trying to prove them wrong. This gives the BJP/PM perhaps the time needed to do meaningful campaigning to deliver the core & important messages to masses.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Lekhraj » 13 May 2019 20:36

Modi never said, he emailed. He told that he transmitted.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Manish_Sharma » 13 May 2019 20:36

https://www.opindia.com/2019/05/lt-general-hs-panag-twitter-coup-narendra-modi-inqlab/

Ex army-man endorses a coup against the government of India if Modi is elected to power again
OpIndia Staff On May 13, 2019


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Ex army-man endorses a coup against the government of India if Modi is elected to power again
OpIndia Staff On May 13, 2019

Lt Gen H S Panag (retired) (Image: AsianAge)

As the 2019 Lok Sabha elections reach its final phase of voting, everyone seems to be getting jittery and nervous. More than Modi supporters, the ones who hate him seem to be losing their mind and sanity over the prospect of him returning to power as the prime minister again.


Amidst all this, Lt General H S Panag, a retired army-man has suggested that a coup may be a good option if PM Modi returns to power.

He took to Twitter earlier today to share an article by the leftist propaganda website ‘The Wire’ which read ‘The Great Divider of India is Now Dividing its Armed Forces’

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Theeran » 13 May 2019 20:37

Singha wrote:with a week to kill before next phase of polls and fertile creative minds boiling over with curiosity, energy and hunger to learn, lets use this interval to educate ourselves about such dark episodes like the massacre of punekar brahmans , swept under the rug in the pre internet era.

these nuggets are what lead to self exploration and future knalege.

In that spirit
Anyone familiar with the history of modern India is likely to be aware of April 13, 1919; of General Dyer and of the Jallianwala Bagh massacre. It wouldn't be an exaggeration to call the Perungamanallur killings, which took place on April 3, 1920, as the south Indian Jallianwala.

https://www.thehindu.com/features/frida ... 319054.ece

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Pratyush » 13 May 2019 20:49

Lekhraj wrote:Modi never said, he emailed. He told that he transmitted.



That means he was referring to a fax machine.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Supratik » 13 May 2019 20:51

If Modi comes back to power he has to keep a watch on WB. It is very likely that the TMC will try to take revenge. There should be regular threats of Art356.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby chetak » 13 May 2019 20:53

twitter


UK-born @OmarAbdullah (whose mother a Briton) cud become MP & Union Minister & MLA & J&K CM.
Children of my daughter married outside J&K can't even get admission in any J&K Govt-run educational institution.

This is 35A.
It must go after May 23, 2019.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Suraj » 13 May 2019 20:59

I don't see any issue with the radar story. For one, as Karan M showed, it's deliberate obfuscation and noise. For another, that indignant noise is beneficial since it keeps the herd occupied at working themselves up into a mouthful of lather. That sort of thing isn't them setting the agenda - it's them creating an echo chamber for themselves, which is fine.

The difference between GE 2014 and 2019 in terms of setting the narrative has been outstanding. In GE 2014, the narrative was owned and run by the other side, with the BJP side being the reactive one. This time around, they *tried* to do the same, but it was obvious that Modi figured them out and turned the whole thing inside out.

From no interviews at all, he's got almost a dozen, to major channels of his choice. They were also implemented on his terms, in a setting suitable to him, as it should be. He let them ask hard questions, and offered real answers. In several instances he had no problem pointing out their own hypocrisy, e.g. why does the once reputed investigator IE act like it does today.

RaGa on the other hand had his high profile live interview mysteriously turned into a text one (I think RW twitterati are not being hard enough on them to release the video - it could be legendary comedy). His latest ABP video sounds like that of someone high on something asserting how much he loves and wants to hug Modi, and he followed that up with another seemingly suggesting he has feelings for Mayawati. Akhilesh's interview by Prannoy was a masterful example of a politician talking like a politician. As Anujan put it - a politician is supposed to say why you should elect him, not keep talking about the other guy, or worse, how you're going to try to weasel your way in.

Prannoy's recent interview with the guy on the roadside was incredibly rude. Is there no law against going around asking people "what caste are you ? then why are you voting XYZ ?" The poor guy being interviewed had a lot more class than P Roy demonstrated.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby ramana » 13 May 2019 21:01

Lot of ill informed posts on page 107. It was Singha that wanted Bengal divided.

viewtopic.php?p=2351369#p2351369

And usual experts jumped in to say BJP should do this and not this and will pay heavily.
Please keep your biases to yourself.
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Singha please stop posting crap. You have posted two IEDs in this thread. both should get you a warning.
1) Bengal division
'2) The prurient tales of maharajas which have no bearing to the current thread.

So I am giving one warning.
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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby aylamrin » 13 May 2019 21:01

Supratik wrote:If Modi comes back to power he has to keep a watch on WB. It is very likely that the TMC will try to take revenge. There should be regular threats of Art356.


There is hardly anything more vacuous than an empty threat, IMO. Reminds me, of the villain character from The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly quote:
"When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk."

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby ramana » 13 May 2019 21:04

Ok. Enough that has nothing to do with the current elections.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby chetak » 13 May 2019 21:15

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Manish_Sharma » 13 May 2019 21:19

CRamS wrote:it seems to me that its much ado over some minor gaffes at best.


It's no gaffe, if you find time to read Mort and Karan's posts.

You will never give up being what you are....

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Mort Walker » 13 May 2019 21:31

komal wrote:
Mort Walker wrote:BJP<160 and NDA<180
Rahul will be PM and Mamta didi will be HM on May 24.

BJP will lose onlee. :(( :(( :((


It is scary to think that a substantial portion of the most highly educated people in India prefer that outcome.


William F. Buckley once said, I’d rather be governed by the first 1000 names in the Boston phone book rather than 1000 Harvard faculty members.

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2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Peregrine » 13 May 2019 21:39

'You should be ashamed': Rahul Gandhi hits out at Sam Pitroda for remarks on 1984 riots – PTI

KHANNA (Punjab): With Prime Minister Narendra Modi and the BJP continuing their attack on the Congress over Sam Pitroda's remarks on the 1984 riots , party chief Rahul Gandhi on Monday said the leader should be ashamed of himself and seek apology from the country.

Rahul Gandhi was addressing a poll rally here in favour of Congress candidate Amar Singh, who is pitted against SAD nominee D S Guru from Fatehgarh Sahib (reserve) constituency.

"What Sam Pitroda said about 1984 (anti-Sikh riots) was totally wrong and he should seek an apology from the country. I am saying this publicly and I also said the same to him over phone. Pitroda ji, what you had said was completely wrong and you should be ashamed of yourself. You should seek public apology," he said winding up his speech here.

Punjab chief minister Amarinder Singh was also present at the event.

Speaking to reporters last week, Pitroda had brushed off the1984 anti-Sikh riots by saying, "hua toh hua" (whatever happened, happened).

This is the second time that the Congress chief has rebuked Pitroda for his remarks on the 1984 riots.

The Congress chief had earlier tweeted his disapproval and the party had distanced himself from Pitroda's remarks.

Demanding an apology from Pitroda, Rahul had said that his statements were “completely out of line”.

The BJP has stepped up offensive against the Congress over the Indian Overseas Congress chief's remarks as the 1984 anti-Sikh riots is an emotive issue in Punjab which is going to polls on May 19.

During campaigning in Rohtak in Haryana and at Hoshiarpur in Punjab, Modi on Friday had hit out at the Congress, saying Pitroda's remarks reflected the "character and arrogance" of the opposition party
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On Sunday in Amritsar, BJP chief Amit Shah had asked Rahul Gandhi whether the matter has ended with Pitroda tendering an apology for "justifying" the Sikh genocide.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Suraj » 13 May 2019 21:44

That looks like the ideal state of affairs - where INC is busy wagging fingers... at each other . A more sophisticated situation than Kejriwal trying to place his cheek in the path of every swinging hand he sees around him .

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby negi » 13 May 2019 21:51

GD made pertinent points it is just that not everyone is capable of context switching , there is a reason Nukkad had value .

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby Vikas » 13 May 2019 21:57

Why there is so much Hai-tauba when someone gets banned on Twitter. It is prerogative of twitter to ban or allow folks to tweet.
Don't like it, move onto some other SM platform. The way some people did vilaap over TrueIndology getting banned or before that Mediacrook, it was mind boggling.

Twitter is not exclusively trying to nail down certain section of Indian twitterites. I know it because I had worked for them sometime back for a short duration. Lot of arm chair critics think that opinions can be molded or worse elections can be won or lost by twitter campaigns. The only way elections can be won is by going out and voting for the person you want to see elected. Period !!
Meanwhile RaGa has apologized for Sam's remark but the damage has been done. Right before elections in Delhi & Punjab, The guy chimes in with his insensitive remarks and then tries to hide behind lack of Hindi knowledge.

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Re: 2019 General Elections News and Discussion

Postby ramana » 13 May 2019 22:04

RaGa will.have to expel Pitroda as I suggested on Twitter.


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