A_Gupta wrote:Many think of themselves as part of the Anglosphere, and expect fair treatment from it.
A Gupta ji,
You are giving the impression that what is being typed here is for the edification of "Anglosphere" as if we want NYT/WaPo/NPR to change - an totally absurd proposition since they are all direct instruments of US State power.
What we want is for view of Indian's & Indian origin people who visit this forum to change their misplaced positive opinion on there Western rags like NYT/WaPo/Al Guardian etc .
Good you qualified it by "who visit this forum". Because few who visit this forum are a problem in this regard. It is the other millions who have never visited this forum that are the issue.
But that should be obvious normally so i dont get why you are raising up a strawman & charging at it while distracting or discouraging others who may want to organise or crystallize an across the board natural(nothing official needed) response to the blatant Hinduphobia of Western liberal media.
If you feel discouraged or distracted by a one line comment, I don't think this is going anywhere.
A_Gupta wrote:I can't dismiss the NYTimes as toothless, but nor would I fear it. I'd say, propagate a healthy skepticism about the news media; they are all just businesses trying to sell you something; and the buyer has to exercise due caution.
I cant quite agree to this - there is no need to propagate healthy skepticism to *ALL*
news media - that is a statement akin to "keep a healthy skepticism" to all religions including your own because of what the Abrahamic faiths have done in the name of religion.
Not a good analogy at all. At a philosophical level, what we have native to India are not religions (a faint glimpse of this is here: http://indiafacts.org/eastern-religions ... n-world-i/
). The Abrahamic religions - which are really the only religions - peddle truth-claims about the Will of God. Not what Hindus, Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists, etc. do.
The news media do peddle truth claims, too, though not about the Will of God.
Next - any news media that is a business is in it to make money; and so you have to be skeptical of it. Any news media that is sponsored by a government is also worthy of skepticism.
So dont do equal equal or car sales person comparision claiming that all are Cars onlee some are just garbage trucks and i dont have any sense of ownership on them nor do i want to ride them - they are foreign voices.
Hindu voices have been stifled for 150 years since 1857 only now they becoming free we should encourage it not rob them of their credibility - by claiming that they are "selling something" just as Western media are doing when it comes to Hindu issues.
There are plenty of Hindu voices between 1857 and 2019. What is true that most of India's "elite" haven't paid attention to them, captured instead by Oxbridge, Harvard, Yale, and WaPo, NYT, CNN, and so on. If you want these voices to rise then either displace the elite (and also carefully deny NRIs elite status or else deal with the millions who haven't visited this forum who view themselves wholly or partly as part of the Anglosphere. It is quite hard to convince them of malice on the part of the above named institutions.)
Incidentally, the charge NYT, etc., are leading is against populism. Populism in dictionary terms is a good thing: "a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups". The Khan Market Gang/Lutyens elite don't pay attention to the concerns of the ordinary people. Populism is bad only if it is used to come to power, displace the current elite, and then to continue to disregard the concerns of the ordinary people. In western history, populist leaders are considered bad as they usually betray the people; and they expect Indian history to recapitulate western history. I think PM Modi is the better kind of populist.
There are many organised Hindu voices coming forth since 2014 after NaMo breached dilli .
I have previously posted a list on them here >> viewtopic.php?p=2348918#p2348918
Better go by believing them to be the closest to Fact unless specific instances are not proven to be so.
The principles of how to vet a news source don't change. Quality remains important, not just the source. Trust has to be earned. No blank cheques, there are enough scams and con-games going on.
The rags of NYT/WaPo etc on the other hand get the slam down based on principle of guilty unless proven otherwise.
No need to be doing equal equalitis when dealing with western media's propaganda concerning Hindu Issues.
Sarva samachar srota sama bhava!