Terroristan - May 1, 2019

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Guddu » 09 Jun 2019 21:10

HIV infections in Pak children, WSJ reports
https://www.wsj.com/articles/pakistan-grapples-with-unprecedented-hiv-infections-in-children-11560072644?mod=hp_lista_pos3
"When a doctor in southeastern Pakistan sounded alarm bells in April about children mysteriously testing positive for HIV, health officials decided to offer screening to his entire town. What they found, the World Health Organization said, was unprecedented.

Over six weeks of testing, more than 600 children in the town, most of them between 2 and 5 years old, tested positive for the virus that causes AIDS, while nearly all their parents tested negative. Authorities have begun screening people in nearby towns, and the number of cases is expected to rise."

Its not what you think...they dont sterilize needles in pak. Below is the doc resting in paki jail

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby SSridhar » 10 Jun 2019 09:38

Another FATF effect, but only the Musharuffian-patented revolving-door policy.

Action on LeT, Jaish-e-Mohd, Hizbul: Pakistan shuts 13 camps across LoC ahead of anti-terror body’s plenary - Manu Pubby, Economic Times
Pakistan has shut down key terror infrastructure, including over a dozen training camps across the line of control, according to sources, ahead of anti-terror watchdog Financial Action Task Force’s (FATF) plenary meeting next week where it faces the possibility of being blacklisted for non-compliance.

After India cranked up diplomatic pressure by reaching out to FATF member countries after the Pulwama terror attack that left 40 soldiers dead, Pakistan was placed on the grey list and was expected to show that it has taken action on this front to avoid being blacklisted, which would have a devastating cascading effect on its already broken economy.

ET has learnt that in the last few weeks, 13 terror training camps of the Lashkar-e-Toiba, Jaish-e-Mohammed and Hizbul Mujahideen in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir (PoK) have been shut down. The shutdown seems to have had an early impact on cross-border terrorism with army sources saying that infiltration has ebbed.

The JeM, which claimed responsibility for the Pulwama attack and saw most of its leadership in Kashmir being wiped out in operations since then, has lost its Shawai Nala camp in Muzaffarabad and the Kalch Samhanj and Garhon Jundla camps in Mirpur, according sources.

Similarly the LeT, which faced big reverses after a series of successful operations by counter insurgency forces last year, have lost the Dollai and Sher Kot 1 camps in Muzaffarbad and the Fagosh camp in Mirpur.


India’s outreach to crack down on terror seems to have had a throttling impact on Pakistan, which sources said has charged cadres and financiers of groups that were focused on India, including the Falah-e-Insaniat, and frozen their assets since February this year.

While in the past, especially after the 26/11 attack and the parliament attack in 2001, Pakistan had attempted to show action against terror only to go back to its old ways, this time round the crackdown is largescale as FATF member nations will demand verifiable proof to ease the pressure.

For the first time, almost all educational institutions, seminaries and even hospitals of terror organisations – believed to number over 800 - have been seized.

If there are no widespread protests, riots and terror attacks against the very Government which is shutting down terrorist infrastructure, it means that the shutdown is a farce and being done in 'collaboration' with JeM/LeT/HuM.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Kashi » 10 Jun 2019 10:05

But this seems to contradict recent reports that IA intelligence units had reported that many of the camps within 1-2km of LoC that had been evacuated of late have recently been re-occupied.

Which is it?

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Anujan » 10 Jun 2019 10:18

About the Imran Khan acting as a "true statesman" and calling for a dialogue with Modi and :(( about India's refusal to talk:
The government is all set to present budget 2019-2020 on June 11 based on unrealistic revenue target of Rs5.5 trillion, which will be prone to slippages from performance criteria on every quarter review by the IMF.

In case of no waiver from the IMF, the government will come up with a mini-budget after every review to avoid default on the revenue target with more measures on taxation making the PTI government most unpopular.


They have done some madrassa math and promised 40% more tax collection to IMF. How is this possible when the economy is in fact contracting? This was just a month back

The shortfall in tax collection has widened to a record Rs345 billion in the first ten months of this fiscal year ...
From July through April of this fiscal year, the Federal Board of Revenue (FBR) has provisionally collected Rs2.993 trillion in taxes as against Rs3.35 trillion ten-month target, according to the FBR officials.


They are going to miss tax collection targets by 10% in this fiscal. They are promising a 40% *increase* in next fiscal, over and above the target this fiscal. In effect, they are saying they will have a 50% *increase* over the actual taxes they have collected this fiscal. How is this possible?

The government plans to collect minimum Rs80 billion by bringing the domestic sales of five-export oriented sectors into the tax net from July....
However, industrialists like Zubair Motiwalla and Jawed Bilwani plainly refused to accept the government’s new tax regime :rotfl: :rotfl:


And "Industrialists" are saying they wont pay taxes :shock: :rotfl:

IMF is tightening the screws demanding a review every quarter and tying the money disbursal to meeting the target. Previously, Pakistan would promise the moon and the sky to IMF, take the money and then refuse to implement the policies

According to eminent economist Dr Hafeez Pasha, the government also needs to have a contingency plan if it defaults on achieving targets in every quarter.



So somehow they have to reduce the spending. On top of that,

In the first nine months of the current fiscal, the defence budget increased by 24 percent and if the pensions are also included, then expenditure on defence got increased by 30 percent. However, by June 30, 2019, the expenditure on defence is estimated to culminate at Rs1250 billion from the budgeted amount of Rs1100 billion showing an increase of Rs150 billion.

The increase in the defence budget in the current financial year is because of small scale war with India following Pulwama incident. Still Pakistan is at war with India and its forces are on high alert on the western border with Afghanistan.


The strikes by India and the readiness to strike by India means that they are spending a lot more on defense. So they want talks, create another dossier exchange route to defusing Pulwama incident and then extract a "uninterrupted, and uninterruptible" agreement to talk despite terror attacks.

India wants peace in her neighborhood, so that it can concentrate on development and well being for her own population. If Imran Khan wants peace, then what he needs to do is simple. Bring Mumbai attackers and purveyors of various terror acts against India to justice. Irreversibly shut down the Military-Jihadi complex fueling terrorism in India.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Kashi » 10 Jun 2019 10:28

Once again Bakis trying to be clever-and-a-half, blaming India for failing to stop their fauj from looting their resources even further.

I expect this line to be taken up with gusto in subsequent meetings with IMF and also at FATF along with the usual "strengthens the hands of extremists".

Realistically, where can the Bakis find more money?

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby chetak » 10 Jun 2019 10:50

military humour.

The Pakistan Army recently found it had too many Generals, and offered them an early retirement with bonus in USD.

They said any General who retired now, his payment will be $10,000 for every inch measured in a straight line between any two parts of his body.
The Generals can select any of his body points.

The first man, an Air marshal, asked to measure from his head to the tip of his toes.

Six feet. *

He walked out with a cheque of $720,000!*

The second man, a Naval Admiral, asked to measure from the tip of his outstretched hands to his toes.

Eight feet. *

He walked out with a cheque for $960,000!!*

When the third general, a grizzled old Ranger, was asked where to measure.

He said, "From the tip of my penis to my testicles."*

The pension man suggested, that the grizzled Ranger should reconsider. As, the previous two Generals, who came before him had received, good money, because of their distance in body parts.

The grizzle Ranger still insisted.

So, the pension man got a medical officer to do the measuring.

The medical officer asked the Ranger to drop his pants.

The medical officer placed the tape on the tip of the Ranger's penis and began to measure.

"My God!" The medical officer said. "Where are your testicles?"

The Ranger replied,

*"In Kargil."*

And that's how, Pakistan became Bankrupt.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Anujan » 10 Jun 2019 12:21

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1988158/1- ... ght/?amp=1

Passenger mistakes exit door for toilet on PIA flight

A woman, aboard a Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) flight, sparked panic on Saturday after she mistakenly opened the emergency exit door thinking it was the toilet


She was trying to go to Pakistan. You can do that by getting out of the door or opening the toilet door. :mrgreen:

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Manish_P » 10 Jun 2019 14:29

La-whore-via-Kuwait :rotfl:

There should have been a spill alert for the above two posts... a mouthful of my lunch-time buttermilk is now on my laptop keypad

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby srin » 10 Jun 2019 14:51

Effect Of 200 Per Cent Customs Duty Imposed Post Pulwama: Imports From Pakistan Decline By Massive 92 Per Cent
Imports from Pakistan declined by a massive 92 per cent to $2.84 million in March this year (2019) after India imposed a 200 per cent customs duties on all products following Pulwama terror attack, PTI reported.

On 16 February, India not only announced that it is withdrawing most favoured nation (MFN) status to Pakistan on the backdrop of the Pulwama terror attack but also increased duties on imports from Pakistan to 200 per cent.

The duty was levied on all imported goods from Pakistan including cotton, fresh fruits, cement, petroleum products and mineral ore.

As per the data available with India’s commerce ministry, the imports from the neighbouring country stood at $34.61 million in March 2018. Out of the $2.84 million imports in March, as much as $1.19 million was accounted for cotton import by India.

The quarterly import figures for the January-March period of 2018-19 fiscal also declined by 47 per cent to $53.65 million.

Total trade between the two South Asian neighbours for the year 2017-18 stood at $2.4 billion, with $1.9 billion exports and $500 million imports from Pakistan.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Shaktimaan » 10 Jun 2019 19:28

It seems Asif Ali Zardari has been arrested today. Known around here as Dus Percenti.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby sudeepj » 10 Jun 2019 22:11

A tectonic shift has occurred in the political economy of the subcontinent with the reelection of the Modi govt., the first time a govt. has been 'rewarded' since forever. The post 84 Congress win was a sympathy vote, if Indira had not been shot, she would certainly have seen a diminution in her popularity. You would have to go back all the way to 1971 victory to see a govt. coming in a second time..

What are the implications of this shift in political economy for Indo-Pak relations? Deservedly, Pakistan has gotten little attention from Indian media or thinking class in the wake of the elections, which is gratifying for once. They are much reduced in importance to India. But being gluttons for looking at unpleasant things, I think, we, the forum need to analyze the impacts of this victory on Pakistan's internal dynamics will be as also, the reactions of various Pakistani factions - the jihadis, the realists, the politicians, the 'subalterns' etc. to this new reality and if it will result in some acts on Indian soil.

When the political economy of a region shifts from one equilibrium to another, its almost always accompanied by some violence or upheaval. We saw this in the Pulwama attacks. IF the shift if over and Pakistanis are reconciled to it, we have seen the last of the violence from Pak in Pulwama at least for a while. IF they are not reconciled to it, we will likely see more futile lashing out.

Pakistani state, being rat like, will always try for an opening. If denied that opening, it will try to create an opening. Given Pakistan today has no leverage on India, how it can try to create an opening is open to analysis. Ill try to follow up in the days ahead on what we can anticipate from different groups of Pakistanis, including from PRIs (Pakistanis Resident in India).

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby nam » 10 Jun 2019 22:50

The tanzeems would have taken two lessons post Pulwama.

India responded and Paks responded back with victory by PAF! They are the first recipient of PA/PAF propaganda. So the assumption will be Pak will come out tops in a fight with India.. on PA knows the reality.

This means, the terror will look for another victory. So another terror attempt is inevitable.

We better be prepared for another Balakot..within hours of any terror attack.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Singha » 10 Jun 2019 23:10

Kuala Lumpur: Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad on Monday said that his country has the right not to extradite controversial Islamic preacher Zakir Naik to India, since the fugitive evangelist claims he will not get a fair trial back home, according to a media report.

Naik, a 53-year-old radical television preacher, reportedly left India in 2016 and subsequently moved to largely Muslim Malaysia, where he was granted permanent residency.

"Zakir in general feels that he is not going to get a fair trial (in India)," Mahathir was quoted as saying by The Star newspaper.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Singha » 10 Jun 2019 23:10

pitamah of malaysia showing his leopard spots.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby sudeepj » 10 Jun 2019 23:30

g.sarkar wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote:India should settle Kashmir with talks otherwise there will be no peace and Indians will keep starving.

India should settle Kashmir with ex-service men from Sikh, Gorkha, Naga etc. community, and give them land and weapons to defend themselves.
Gautam


I like your idea.. with a small caveat. There is this tacit perception, assiduously promoted by then British raj, that only some specific communities in India are capable of aggression - Sikh, Gorkha, Nagas, Ahir, ... the theory of 'martial races'. The rest of the Indians were condemned as 'bandar log' (Kipling's supposedly clever, decidedly racist, pun on 'Bhadra Lok').

In reality, they were picking out small farming/subaltern communities that were relatively unorganized and were deemed politically reliable.. in other words, they were not anticipated to start a rebellion against the British like in 57. Its a different matter that many of these communities, as they benefited from steady jobs and education, became nationalists in due time! Paraphrasing Shiv (or someone else I dont remember), the company won all of India using Purabiya/Bengali/... soldiers and when these soldiers rebelled, promptly labeled them 'non martial'. :-D

We need to see past this racist idea. Every Indian is martial and capable of kicking Paki butt, let alone the butts of the maqbool butt types in the butthole called the valley.

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Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Peregrine » 11 Jun 2019 00:59

chetak Ji : Your Post 10 Jun 2019 10:50 - SUPERB! NUMERO UNO!

Now awaiting your E-Mail.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby sum » 11 Jun 2019 05:58

Singha wrote:pitamah of malaysia showing his leopard spots.

Am sure GoI will not be letting go easily and lots of backroom "discussions" will be happening

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby g.sarkar » 11 Jun 2019 07:57

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/10/asia/asi ... index.html
Former Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari arrested on corruption charges
By Sophia Saifi and Bianca Britton, CNN
Mon June 10, 2019
Islamabad, Pakistan (CNN)Pakistan's former President Asif Ali Zardari was arrested Monday on corruption charges after a court rejected his bail application.
Zardari is the widower of Benazir Bhutto, the first female Prime Minister of an Islamic nation, who was assassinated in 2007. He has long faced corruption allegations.Five police officers arrested Zardari, 63, at his home on charges related to suspicious transactions worth 4.4 billion Pakistani rupees (about $29 million) allegedly carried out through bank accounts in other people's names.
The former President, who served from 2008 to 2013, is being held by the National Accountability Bureau (NAB) and is due to appear Tuesday in court, a spokesperson for the anti-corruption body said.
......
Duspercenti corrupt? No way!
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Added later: Also look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcL6ARsZkv4
Najam Sethi Show: What next after Zardari’s arrest? | 10 June 2019 | 24 News
Our Hazam saheb is currently in UK, perhaps to watch WC Kirket or to avoid the Pak hot climate that is certainly going to get even hotter.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby kancha » 11 Jun 2019 08:12

sudeepj wrote:
I like your idea.. with a small caveat. There is this tacit perception, assiduously promoted by then British raj, that only some specific communities in India are capable of aggression - Sikh, Gorkha, Nagas, Ahir, ... the theory of 'martial races'. The rest of the Indians were condemned as 'bandar log' (Kipling's supposedly clever, decidedly racist, pun on 'Bhadra Lok').

In reality, they were picking out small farming/subaltern communities that were relatively unorganized and were deemed politically reliable.. in other words, they were not anticipated to start a rebellion against the British like in 57.


My thoughts exactly. Any surprises that the 'Martial Races' predominantly comprised those that remained steadfastly loyal to the British in 1857 - The Sikhs, The Gorkhas, The Punjabi Mussalmans?

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Anujan » 11 Jun 2019 09:38

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... epage=true

India may give Pak. its due for action against terror groups


A year after Pakistan was put on the “grey list” by the Financial Action Task Force (FATF), New Delhi is beginning to accept that Islamabad has taken some action against the terror organisations on the ground.....
It is for the first time since early 1990s that Pakistan has begun to take action against India-focussed terror groups and freeze their assets,” a senior government official said.


:roll:

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby sum » 11 Jun 2019 10:00

Might be just kite flying by usual suspects with our "liberal" DDM

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby nandakumar » 11 Jun 2019 10:32

All that it means is that earlier they were not even taking toothless actions. Now they do take toothless actions .

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Kashi » 11 Jun 2019 10:42

The Hindu sounds more hopeful than anything else, as if eagerly wishing for concessions from us.

"A senior government official", which government would that be?

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby partha » 11 Jun 2019 12:36

Anujan wrote:https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-may-give-pak-its-due-for-action-against-terror-groups/article27766338.ece?homepage=true

India may give Pak. its due for action against terror groups


A year after Pakistan was put on the “grey list” by the Financial Action Task Force (FATF), New Delhi is beginning to accept that Islamabad has taken some action against the terror organisations on the ground.....
It is for the first time since early 1990s that Pakistan has begun to take action against India-focussed terror groups and freeze their assets,” a senior government official said.


:roll:

Hope this is not true. Also:
https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/pakistan-decides-to-let-narendra-modis-aircraft-fly-over-its-airspace-to-bishkek/article27766662.ece?homepage=true
Pakistan decides to let Narendra Modi’s aircraft fly over its airspace to Bishkek

India requested Pakistan to let Prime Minister Modi’s aircraft fly over its airspace to the Kyrgyzstan capital to attend the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation summit.

This is cringe worthy. Why couldn't PM take a detour? I hope Govt hasn't decided to soften its stand on Pakistan. It will be a big waste of a great mandate that Modi has got. On top of it, Pakistan is at its weakest in all of its short history. Now is the time to give it a fatal blow.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Anujan » 11 Jun 2019 12:38

But they have decided to write a white paper on establishing a committee to recommend a policy to set up a body to study the menace of terrorism from Pakistan of which Pakistan itself is a victim.

India should reciprocate

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Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Peregrine » 11 Jun 2019 15:45

X Posted in the Indo-UK News & DiscussionsThread

MQM founder Altaf Hussain arrested in London: Metropolitan Police - News Desk
Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) founder Altaf Hussain was arrested in a raid by the Scotland Yard on Tuesday.
The arrest was confirmed in a statement released by the London Metropolitan Police.
The MQM founder was reportedly arrested in relation to the 2016 hate speech case in which he urged his followers to “take the law in their hands”.
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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby sudeepj » 11 Jun 2019 22:35

kancha wrote:
sudeepj wrote:
I like your idea.. with a small caveat. There is this tacit perception, assiduously promoted by then British raj, that only some specific communities in India are capable of aggression - Sikh, Gorkha, Nagas, Ahir, ... the theory of 'martial races'. The rest of the Indians were condemned as 'bandar log' (Kipling's supposedly clever, decidedly racist, pun on 'Bhadra Lok').

In reality, they were picking out small farming/subaltern communities that were relatively unorganized and were deemed politically reliable.. in other words, they were not anticipated to start a rebellion against the British like in 57.


My thoughts exactly. Any surprises that the 'Martial Races' predominantly comprised those that remained steadfastly loyal to the British in 1857 - The Sikhs, The Gorkhas, The Punjabi Mussalmans?


The marketing continues to this day.. and is sometimes repeated by well meaning Indians, e.g. the 'Gorkha super soldiers'. BBC still does the Gorkha super soldier propaganda..

Reality is, take any 17 year old boy, drill him long and hard, give him a good leader, a weapon.. if he has his back to his homes front door, he will fight like hell.

This is not to say that Genetics dont play a role.. people who have been living at altitude for generations have larger hearts, more red blood cells.. But the 'game-ness'.. the will to fight.. is present in all Indians.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby MeshaVishwas » 12 Jun 2019 00:45

A modest 4.7% increase in defence budget proposed
Surprise surprise!
:D
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1990345/1- ... sed/?amp=1
ISLAMABAD: The federal government on Tuesday proposed a 4.7 per cent increase in the defence budget despite earlier announcement that the military spending would remain unchanged as part of the overall austerity drive.

However, when compared to the last few years during which defence budget grew by average 11% annually, the current raise is nominal.

Read below :mrgreen:
Also defence spending comes down to 27% from 31% in terms of the total size of the federal budget 2019-20.


A close look at the budget details reveal that Rs1,152 billion figure do not include Rs327 billion allocated for pensions of retired military personnel and Rs308 billion for the armed forces development program. The armed forces development program indicates 46 per cent or Rs98 billion hike compared to the ongoing fiscal year.

The military would also get Rs65 billion for security expenditure related to temporarily displaced persons in the erstwhile tribal areas and another Rs30 billion for the UN peacekeeping force.

Taking into consideration all these expenditures, the total defence budget for this year in reality is Rs1,882 billion compared to Rs1,694 billion, showing an overall 11 per cent increase.

On the eve of Eid, Prime Minister Imran Khan took to Twitter to announce that the military had ‘voluntarily agreed’ not to take any raise in the defence budget because of the current economic situation of the country.

:rotfl:

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby SBajwa » 12 Jun 2019 01:33

kancha wrote:
sudeepj wrote:
I like your idea.. with a small caveat. There is this tacit perception, assiduously promoted by then British raj, that only some specific communities in India are capable of aggression - Sikh, Gorkha, Nagas, Ahir, ... the theory of 'martial races'. The rest of the Indians were condemned as 'bandar log' (Kipling's supposedly clever, decidedly racist, pun on 'Bhadra Lok').

In reality, they were picking out small farming/subaltern communities that were relatively unorganized and were deemed politically reliable.. in other words, they were not anticipated to start a rebellion against the British like in 57.


My thoughts exactly. Any surprises that the 'Martial Races' predominantly comprised those that remained steadfastly loyal to the British in 1857 - The Sikhs, The Gorkhas, The Punjabi Mussalmans?


Stop this "steadfastly loyal to British in 1857 " propaganda. How about the people of Madras, Bengal and Bombay presidencies who helped british to defeat the kingdoms all over India? The last kingdom to submit was the Khalsa empire of Maharaja Ranjit Singh! The people of UP, Bihar, Bengal, Tamil Nadu first helped British to get established all over India!!!! BEFORE ANYONE ELSE!!! Then they declared so called "First war of independence" to put Bahadur shah Zafar back to throne as bullets were laced with Pig and Cow fat!! The so called 1857 war was the last war of the Mughals and they fooled people into "Brotherhood" to get the Mughal Khilafat back!

Sikhs were made martial by the 6th Guru Guru Hargobind ji!! (anyone can become Sikh)., Gurkhas have been martial from thousands of years! Punjabi inbred musalmaan were never ever martial and shall never ever be (We have Briites who are running around with brown pants scared of these Pakjabi jihadis).

History does not starts from 1947 or 1857!!! The same people who were trying to get Bahadur Shah zafar as king of India were responsible for the creation of Bakistan!!!

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby sudeepj » 12 Jun 2019 02:27

SBajwa wrote:
kancha wrote:
My thoughts exactly. Any surprises that the 'Martial Races' predominantly comprised those that remained steadfastly loyal to the British in 1857 - The Sikhs, The Gorkhas, The Punjabi Mussalmans?


Stop this "steadfastly loyal to British in 1857 " propaganda. How about the people of Madras, Bengal and Bombay presidencies who helped british to defeat the kingdoms all over India? The last kingdom to submit was the Khalsa empire of Maharaja Ranjit Singh! The people of UP, Bihar, Bengal, Tamil Nadu first helped British to get established all over India!!!! BEFORE ANYONE ELSE!!! Then they declared so called "First war of independence" to put Bahadur shah Zafar back to throne as bullets were laced with Pig and Cow fat!! The so called 1857 war was the last war of the Mughals and they fooled people into "Brotherhood" to get the Mughal Khilafat back!

Sikhs were made martial by the 6th Guru Guru Hargobind ji!! (anyone can become Sikh)., Gurkhas have been martial from thousands of years! Punjabi inbred musalmaan were never ever martial and shall never ever be (We have Briites who are running around with brown pants scared of these Pakjabi jihadis).

History does not starts from 1947 or 1857!!! The same people who were trying to get Bahadur Shah zafar as king of India were responsible for the creation of Bakistan!!!


Its factual to say Sikhs were loyal to the English in 1857.. Your observation about people of Bengal/Madras presidency helping the British to conquer other Indians is also true. Its also true that as Sikhs gained in education and prosperity, they turned on the British with a ferocity that was not there in many other parts of the country. History must be understood and interpreted on a factual basis. I dont understand why factual observations are making you so angry?

Sikhs religion and culture does have a martial ethos, but this is true among many other communities of India as well. Its OK to have pride in ones own martial tradition. Its not OK to disparage someone else's tradition.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Peregrine » 12 Jun 2019 03:42

MeshaVishwas wrote:A modest 4.7% increase in defence budget proposed
Surprise surprise!
:D
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1990345/1- ... sed/?amp=1
ISLAMABAD: The federal government on Tuesday proposed a 4.7 per cent increase in the defence budget despite earlier announcement that the military spending would remain unchanged as part of the overall austerity drive.
However, when compared to the last few years during which defence budget grew by average 11% annually, the current raise is nominal.
A close look at the budget details reveal that Rs1,152 billion figure do not include Rs327 billion allocated for pensions of retired military personnel and Rs308 billion for the armed forces development program. The armed forces development program indicates 46 per cent or Rs98 billion hike compared to the ongoing fiscal year.
The military would also get Rs65 billion for security expenditure related to temporarily displaced persons in the erstwhile tribal areas and another Rs30 billion for the UN peacekeeping force.
Taking into consideration all these expenditures, the total defence budget for this year in reality is Rs1,882 billion compared to Rs1,694 billion, showing an overall 11 per cent increase.
MeshaVishwas Ji:

I O W The Terroristani Defence Budget is @ US$ 1 = Terroristani Rupees 145 is US$ 12.98 Billion or shall we say US$ 13 Billion!

Increase? Indeed! :rotfl:

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby yensoy » 12 Jun 2019 09:01

Paki budget is like a wishlist for Santa. The numbers will never be met. The kind of taxes proposed will break the back of those willing or being forced to pay it. Look for a middle class uprising (despite them not having much of a middle class). With the increases in input costs and tight taxation regime, exporters will also be hit. The military numbers are again hogwash - pakfauj won't like it if their real salaries drop 35% during the course of the year. Hardware purchases need dollars, and it's impossible to have the same level of hardware purchases with a budget increase of 4.5% when USD has become 35% more expensive.

Only silver lining is their collapse is not imminent, so they will not be able to threaten western powers into giving them dole/CSF.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Vikas » 12 Jun 2019 09:56

SBajwa wrote:
kancha wrote:
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Then they declared so called "First war of independence" to put Bahadur shah Zafar back to throne as bullets were laced with Pig and Cow fat!! The so called 1857 war was the last war of the Mughals and they fooled people into "Brotherhood" to get the Mughal Khilafat back!
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History does not starts from 1947 or 1857!!! The same people who were trying to get Bahadur Shah zafar as king of India were responsible for the creation of Bakistan!!!


Bajwa Ji, This is a very interesting point and novel point. Would take this conversation to another thread as it has nothing to do with Terroristan. Now to find the damn thread where we can discuss this.

Back to regular Opinion: Meanwhile Pakistanis are left scratching their heads about Modi Ji's resoounding win in elections. They were fed on the koolaid of crumbling India, jobless growth and Brahmin India v/s rest of India. The world no longer makes sense to them and don't forget that Paki world revolves around Amreeka and India with dash of Arabia thrown in. Most of the OpEds in Paki papers sound confused and uncertain. I am sure this too is a reflection of Paki awaam who look at India longingly and wish for another Ghori/Gazanavi to loot and plunder India.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Vikas » 12 Jun 2019 10:07

yensoy wrote:Paki budget is like a wishlist for Santa. The numbers will never be met. The kind of taxes proposed will break the back of those willing or being forced to pay it. Look for a middle class uprising (despite them not having much of a middle class). With the increases in input costs and tight taxation regime, exporters will also be hit. The military numbers are again hogwash - pakfauj won't like it if their real salaries drop 35% during the course of the year. Hardware purchases need dollars, and it's impossible to have the same level of hardware purchases with a budget increase of 4.5% when USD has become 35% more expensive.

Only silver lining is their collapse is not imminent, so they will not be able to threaten western powers into giving them dole/CSF.


Most of the Pak Faujis will see fall in take home salary as the tax brackets above PKR 6L are back and at the minimum will cause a loss of PKR 3K every month for the lowest level soldier. With growth pegged at 2.5 pc and inflation at ~13%, I see people going back to PPP and NS in a year or so (JeM and LeT are always there to offer succor). Real Growth will not return to Pakistan anytime soon since there are no levers of growth left in Pakistan except maybe agri and some bit textile, rest all will be mooched by Iron brother. Growth comes from FDI or public spending and GoP has no adobe to build a tower based upon these two almost dead creeks.

Eventually Pakis will get dole from Arabs and some relief from Cina given that both of them can't afford for Pakis to go under.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby MeshaVishwas » 12 Jun 2019 14:16

Breaking: Indian PM Modi's plane not to use Pakistan airspace while travelling for SCO summit in Kyrgyzstan.

https://twitter.com/sidhant/status/1138 ... 33185?s=19
Trolling level: Modi! :rotfl:

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Mukesh.Kumar » 12 Jun 2019 15:49

Vikas wrote:......

Most of the Pak Faujis will see fall in take home salary as the tax brackets above PKR 6L are back and at the minimum will cause a loss of PKR 3K every month for the lowest level soldier. With growth pegged at 2.5 pc and inflation at ~13%, I see people going back to PPP and NS in a year or so (JeM and LeT are always there to offer succor). Real Growth will not return to Pakistan anytime soon since there are no levers of growth left in Pakistan except maybe agri and some bit textile, rest all will be mooched by Iron brother. Growth comes from FDI or public spending and GoP has no adobe to build a tower based upon these two almost dead creeks.

Eventually Pakis will get dole from Arabs and some relief from Cina given that both of them can't afford for Pakis to go under.


Hardly, speaking to ex-fauji's from Paki, the salary for a jawan is more like PKR 30K+. So won't be affected by pay cut. Anecdotally speaking, some of them seemed aware of how better were facilities for Indian jawans and wistfully ruing how their country had been looted.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby yensoy » 12 Jun 2019 15:56

Actually lower grades of govt servants (and I guess this will apply to pakfaujis too) will get a 10% salary bump and some or all of that will be claimed back in taxes depending on their salary bracket.

I had suggested somewhere that Pak govt should take a loan from its military. That is exactly what appears to be happening now. All the "sacrifices" will be paid back with extortionate interest, if the country survives 2 years.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Bart S » 12 Jun 2019 16:34

MeshaVishwas wrote:
Breaking: Indian PM Modi's plane not to use Pakistan airspace while travelling for SCO summit in Kyrgyzstan.

https://twitter.com/sidhant/status/1138 ... 33185?s=19
Trolling level: Modi! :rotfl:


Sorry, but there is nothing amusing in it or anything to gloat about. It was a pathetic move to start with (quite surprising and probably calls into question the new EAM's logic and thinking on such matters). It was an own goal all along (much like Sushma's planned meet at sidelines of the UN general assembly) and luckily backed out of at the last minute, but not before the Pakis went to town with their propaganda and the GOI embarrassed itself for an unnecessary and trivial benefit.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Kashi » 12 Jun 2019 18:02

Our tendency to remain silent while Bakis run rampant with their propaganda seems to transcend governments and ruling parties.

Some things just remain too institutionalised.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Bart S » 12 Jun 2019 18:51

^Yupp...A good example is loudmouth gasbag Qureshi's claim that Sushma gave him sweets and had a one on one meeting with him recently (accompanied by photos in the Paki media of what was actually larger group but deceitfully cropped to seem like it was just the two of them talking). GOI could easily have provided a clarification, while maintaining diplomatic language that would have effectively countered the propaganda and reduced the credibility of the Paki foreign office (both minister and secretary of which are ISI-pasand and rabid India-haters).

If this is some Chanakian move to maintain Stoic silence maybe there is some merit to it, but more likely it was some lobby somewhere trying not to throw Pakis a bone out of misplaced desire for 'brotherhood'.
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