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Can Pakistan make the ‘great escape’? - Naeem Sadiq

One cannot continue to stand at crossroads for 72 years. There ought to be a time to settle down, introspect, chart a course and take off. Emotionally driven jingoism, religiously loaded spiels and perpetually playing to the gallery may be short-term gimmicks, but they are counterproductive to building a nation or its institutions.

Pakistan’s first and foremost responsibility is the well-being of its 210 million citizens. This task has been hugely neglected. Except for a very small coterie of rich elite who live their privileged “by-pass” lives, the majority of the population and most of the state-provided services lag behind by centuries. Education, efficient services, infrastructure, civic systems and benefits that are taken for granted in developed countries are way beyond the reach of most Pakistani citizens. At present, we have the world’s worst infant mortality rate, 22 million children out of school, ever-increasing child abuse, untreated raw sewage, absence of clean drinking water and a dysfunctional bureaucracy.

Nations that are impoverished, economically bankrupt and politically confused cannot be taken seriously. It is time for Pakistan to make a radical break from feeding clichés and platitudes to its people and also to reconsider its exaggerated self-assumed share of acting as the torchbearer of all things holy. Even lagging behind in major performance indicators such as the Millennium Development Goals and the Sustainable Development Goals of 2030 have not been sufficient catalysts for a fresh national reassessment.

Pakistan needs to learn from economist Angus Deaton on how other countries progressed and bade farewell to poverty and misgovernance. The rules of the game have been consistent for all competitors. They used modern technology and smarter ways of performing every task to promote self-reliance, indigenous development and the local industry. Sadly, Pakistan has remained reluctant to undertake any of these changes.

Sindh does not have the capacity to issue car number plates to new car owners. We are dependent on unending foreign assistance even for tasks such as building schools, holding seminars and establishing Child Protection Units. About 44% of our children are stunted due to nutritional deficiency. The state has no mechanism to provide birth certificates to 60% of the newborn children. International underground transport networks built over a century ago remains impossible for Pakistan to this day. Should then, such a state not focus on fixing its own house first?

It is entirely possible for Pakistan to make “the great escape” from poverty and under-development. However, for this to happen the state must shed the mindset and the extra baggage that it has carried for the past decades. At least for the next 50 years, Pakistan needs an era of peace and absolute focus on economic development through rapid internal reforms that deploy new methods, modern technology and innovative approaches. Pakistan needs to adopt a strategic policy of internal focus and external restraint. This must include never getting bogged down by neighbourhood events.

Pakistan’s “great escape” is also a hostage to its burgeoning population. It may be best to learn from Iran and Bangladesh on how they controlled their populations. We can learn from Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea and Taiwan, on how they adopted new technologies and methods for rapid industrialisation to become high-income economies. Pakistan must cease its dependence on foreign loans, letting out routine tasks such as road making and garbage collection to foreign companies and instead promote its own human, material and technological resources.

An archaic bureaucracy will continue to remain a key hurdle in Pakistan’s progress. It has no choice but to replace this burden by technology based systems and accomplished professionals, who can develop newer ways of running and transforming the country.

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@Pergerine we need the towels thread back.
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https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/i ... 2019-08-29
India Today Exclusive: Pakistan running fake news factory from PoK
According to the sources, the Pakistani officers are shooting videos of atrocities wearing Indian Army uniform to circulate them on social media.

Jitendra Bahadur Singh
New Delhi, August 29, 2019
Pakistan has set up a control room in Pak-occupied-Kashmir to spread fake propaganda on the current situation in Jammu and Kashmir through social media, sources in the Ministry of Home Affairs have said.
According to the sources, the Pakistani officers are shooting videos of atrocities wearing Indian Army uniform to circulate them on social media. The entire operation is being carried out in the PoK, they said. Amid controversy, claim and counter-claim between India and Pakistan, security agencies and cyber team are worried that Pakistan's fake news factory, which they are using to incite emotion, cab ignite violence through social media platforms.
The home ministry sources told India Today TV that in the last few days, several such videos have been circulated from several Pak-based social media handles.
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KLNMurthy wrote:@Pergerine we need the towels thread back.
KLNMurthy Ji:

Be that as it may, until then let us post on this thread.

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KLNMurthy wrote:@Pergerine we need the towels thread back.
+786%. That was the greatest BRF thread ever. Lots of towel throwing over the years.
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Off late on twitter there is demand for these two articles:

KNOW YOUR PAKISTAN:
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/archives/ ... /Shiv.html

MONKEY TRAP:

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/archives/ ... ayyam.html
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Livestream of Altaf bhai chaddi utaaroing of Taliban Khan and Paki Establishment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPzOTeel4Ss
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Knowing baki propensity for spin the UAE royal immediately released a short tweet on the call of Dimran.

https://twitter.com/MohamedBinZayed/sta ... 8509631491
محمد بن زايد @MohamedBinZayed

Mohamed bin Zayed receives a phone call from the Pakistan Prime Minister, discussing ways to enhance bilateral cooperation as well as the latest regional and international developments and issues of mutual interest.
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ramana wrote:Off late on twitter there is demand for these two articles:

KNOW YOUR PAKISTAN:
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/archives/ ... /Shiv.html

MONKEY TRAP:

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/archives/ ... ayyam.html
First link in Shiv's references, to a Harold Gould article, needs to be updated.
This:
https://www.counterpunch.org/2003/07/17 ... -conclave/
instead of this:
https://www.counterpunch.org/gould07182003.html
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Thanks. But I don't know how to edit the html.
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KJo wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote:@Pergerine we need the towels thread back.
+786%. That was the greatest BRF thread ever. Lots of towel throwing over the years.
Also we need the Pakistani Media thread. It is super fun to see the khujli and the constipated face of defeated pakjabi 'anal'ysts when they do :(( about India.
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India condemns PakistanPMImran Khan's 'irresponsible' statements on Kashmir – ANI

HIGHLIGHTS

- External affairs ministry spokesperson Raveesh Kumar said Pakistan has been using terrorism as state policy against India and it must stop exporting terror

- "We strongly condemn highly irresponsible statements by Pakistani leadership on matters internal to India


NEW DELHI: India on Thursday condemned the recent statements made by the Pakistani leadership on "internal matters" and said they were intended to create an alarming situation in the country.

"We strongly condemn the recent statements by Pakistani leadership on matters internal to India. These are very irresponsible statements by them. They are intruding into our internal matter, " ministry of external affairs spokesperson Raveesh Kumar said at the weekly media briefing.

The spokesperson did not name any Pakistani leader but his comments came against the backdrop of statements made by Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan who had talked about a nuclear war between the two countries.

He said the statements also included an apparent reference to "jihad within the territory of India to incite violence".

"The main motive behind this is to form an alarming situation for India which is far from ground realities. Pakistan needs to understand that they have been snubbed from all sides. The world has seen their provocative and unsubstantiated rhetoric based on lies and deceit," the spokesperson added.

Pakistan railway minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed on Wednesday predicted that a full blown war between India and Pakistan may likely occur in the month of "October or the next month."

While addressing the media in Rawalpindi, Rashid claimed that 'decisive time for Kashmir's struggle' has come. "This is going to be the last war between both countries," he was quoted as saying by Pakistan Today.

Pakistan has been rattled by the Indian government's historic move to strip the special status accorded to Jammu and Kashmir under Article 370 of the Constitution and has found itself completely isolated despite desperate attempts aimed at internationalising the issue.

Pakistani foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi on Wednesday wrote to the UN Security Council again on the "developments" in Jammu and Kashmir. He had previously reached out to the UNSC President on August 1, 6 and 13, according to an official press release.

Khyber Pakhtunkhwa chief minister Mahmood Khan on Wednesday had said that he will become the commander of his people if 'jihad' was ever formally declared for Kashmir.

"We will return from jihad only after complete victory and liberation of Kashmir from India," the chief minister was quoted as saying by The Express Tribune on Saturday. Khan stated that the government of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, along with its people, is in full support of Prime Minister Imran Khan's stand on the matter of Kashmir.

Islamabad has been snubbed on all fronts as the international community has made it clear that the Kashmir issue is strictly New Delhi's internal matter.

In Video : India condemns 'irresponsible' statements on Kashmir by Pak leadership

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Prem wrote:
Excellent job by Dr. Gurez Sheikh of BJP's Madhya Pradesh unit. Really tore into the Pakis there.
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Pak minister receives electric shock while speaking against PM Modi :mrgreen:
In a video, Rashid, a known motormouth, says while addressing the rally, "Hum tumhari Modi niyaton se waqif hain (we are aware of your intentions, Narendra Modi)". The video, which has gone viral on social media, shows that the moment Rashid utters the sentence, he gets an electric shock in his hand, forcing him to discontinue his speech momentarily.
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What is this new designed flag that Pakis are waving these days. A yellow on the side and stripes. Any idea ?
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PoK flag ?
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Vikas wrote:What is this new designed flag that Pakis are waving these days. A yellow on the side and stripes. Any idea ?
Pok flag.
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mixture of pakistan and US flag..may be to strike a chord with the amrikhans...better would have been to have a union jack in that..
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x-posting

VERY Important read and useful info:
https://sniwire.com/defence-security/ag ... half-lies/

Edited to add some more detail: It is a well researched piece exposing fake news purveyors and their social media timelines, along with screenshots. Might be a good resource for those fighting social media battles with Pakis and NYT/BBC types.
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Bart S wrote:x-posting

VERY Important read and useful info:
https://sniwire.com/defence-security/ag ... half-lies/
Database connection error
Gone down or taken down?

Edit: It's available again
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Bart S wrote:x-posting

VERY Important read and useful info:
https://sniwire.com/defence-security/ag ... half-lies/
Why not copy & post the article here if it's so important & useful.
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M_Joshi wrote: Why not copy & post the article here if it's so important & useful.
Why don't you click the link, genius, and advise if copy pasting that article in text format without the dozens of embedded screenshots makes sense :roll:
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SBajwa wrote:
About 20 years ago remember reading an article that this is a standard practice for the believers against minorities in Pakistan - hope India govt and other religious orgs in India can pursue these cases and highlight the plight, hopefully can restrict further cases and also help these victims.
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Please watch this and you will see AAK Niazi's Pistol that he surrendered to Gen Arora on Dec 16th 1971. This is mounted in a showcase at the IMA in Deheradun. Please keep this video as a part of the first post in every Terroristan threrd.

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A minor masterpiece of cogency and eloquence. It should be translated into all Indian languages.
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Bart S wrote:VERY Important read and useful info:
https://sniwire.com/defence-security/ag ... half-lies/
Splendid job by Abhijit Iyer Mitra.
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Towel-throwing in progress by Najam Sethi
https://www.thefridaytimes.com/national-government/
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rohitvats wrote:X-Post:

Indian Troops in Jammu & Kashmir

For a long time, Pakistan has peddled that Indian has 700,000 troops in Kashmir.

However, after the recent abrogation of Article 370 and GOI inducting more CAPF into J&K, absolutely rubbish numbers about strenght of Indian security forces have started appearing in Indian and foreign press.

One Indian journalist writing in Deccan Chronicle and Asian Age claimed that India has 1 million soldiers in J&K! :evil:

Others like The Wire, after initially claiming the same number as above, dialed it down to 'half a million'. Foreign press, including worthies like Al Jazeera, Guardian and Forbes are all claiming 'half a million' troops in J&K.

To bust this propaganda, I've done a detailed analysis on the number of Indian security personnel in J&K.

No one talks about deployment of Pakistan Army in AJK and Gilgit-Baltistan. And how Indian Army has to maintain troops in J&K to meet threats from Pakistan as well as China.

In the analysis I've done a detailed assessment of the deployment of Pakistan Army to brigade level. And the kind of numbers Indian Army has to maintain to counter this threat.

Doing this separates the troops strength from numbers deployed for actual Counter Insurgency Ops (CI Ops) - For CI Ops, I've done an assessment of the RR, CRPF, Army (in CI Ops) and other CAPF.

Please have a look and do share so that we can bust this propaganda:

https://www.opindia.com/2019/08/half-a- ... d-kashmir/
Nice write up Rohit. I did a `back of envelope' analysis with the same conclusions.
Also, the number of troops US (and ISAF) maintain in Afghanistan, or in Iraq, relative to the number of militants, is no different to the number we
have in Kashmir, who are actively engaged in COIN - This is despite IA being weaker in surveillance, with no air power used and (upto now) a hostile local political leadership.
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Shared some thoughts on Pakistan's Kashmir Conundrum, and the events underway of late.
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it has been really interesting to see the Pakis fumbling around to find an ‘honourable’ way to deal with this ‘annexation’ of Kashmir by India.

Why they do it, you asked?

Well, would Shri Bajwa, or Shri Beggar-in-Chief Imran want to go down in history as the jokers who lost Kashmir, hainji? Loss of East Pakistan still hurts, and you want to add the loss of Kashmir as well?

You see where I am going with this?

But .. is Kashmir really lost? Of course not! Article 370 didn’t exist in 1947, or even in 1948 when the UN resolution was passed. So technically, nothing has changed when viewed from that lens!

And Pakis complaining about changing demography in Kashmir.. well irony might as well pick up a gun & go kill all those Shias of Gilgit-Baltistan whom a certain Brigadier Musharraf failed to kill when he ‘quelled’ a revolt against forced immigration of Sunni Pashtuns in their lands.

But then, why in the world are Pakis doing all this randi-rona over a non issue? Of course, the ‘intensity’ of it all caught even me by surprise. An event could have been commented upon with a one line statement and left as it was, has been made into a life or death struggle!

Well, I hypothesize that it is because they don’t know what else to do. Not after all that time and effort spent in indoctrinating their awam with all the crap that they’ve fed them.

Add to it the SPECTACULAR aerial ‘victory’ of 27th Feb, and you know they had no choice either!

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But then, as any sane person would ask, why don’t they stop?

Well, the caveat here is ‘sanity’ .. and no one ever accused Pakis of that!

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Their best bet is to do something within their borders. Maybe boot out Imran Khan for his ‘failure’ at getting a favourable international opinion.

It works in their favour ‘coz the Brown Panted ones will not have to worry about getting whooped on the LC / IB once again!

Who knows, maybe this is why Imran Khan is so hyper these days – to save his own job!

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All in all, they don’t know how to satiate the blood-lust of their crazed populace. Heck, even their Arab masters are playing a different tune- even felicitating Modi! Imagine the average Paki’s feelings!

It’s a vicious circle that the Paki establishment has created for itself.

A circle, from which it is difficult to emerge unscathed.

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What this will turn into is yet another irrational response, which will invite yet another Indian response which will spell more disaster for them. Hence my speculation about something during the Oct – Jan window.

Now why Oct – Jan?

Well, it just came instinctively, without much thought.

But let me try and justify it, with the benefit of hindsight.

Firstly, monsoons in Punjab will be over and the battlefields more conducive to large scale manoeuvres as in 1971.

Secondly, the FATF sword hanging over the Pakis will have gone, whichever way it goes.

Thirdly, I think they can keep their awam ‘amused’ for about another month before they too run out of ideas of how to keep doing it.

Fourthly, maybe this is by then they will finally come up with yet another ‘brilliant’ plan!
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oct to march is campaign season as well.. the china border is frozen as well. maybe india tries a limited land grab in POK/GB.
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manjgu wrote:oct to march is campaign season as well.. the china border is frozen as well. maybe india tries a limited land grab in POK/GB.
Indeed. That too
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SSridhar wrote:
Bart S wrote:VERY Important read and useful info:
https://sniwire.com/defence-security/ag ... half-lies/
Splendid job by Abhijit Iyer Mitra.
Indeed. Thanks for sharing here for quick reference.
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Zam Zam HamIED preparing to launch Gazwa-e-Hind BUT if you listen carefully you can sense the fear of a Gazwa-e-pindi!

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^^^ yep looks like grounds are being prepared for a coup. looks like paki corn flakes army have goten a hint that they might get black listed in FATF in oct and they plan to throw immi the dim under the bus ,but it is real funny to see ghazwa-hind has turned into fighting a people's war inside pakistan :rotfl:
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VikramA wrote:^^^ yep looks like grounds are being prepared for a coup. looks like paki corn flakes army have goten a hint that they might get black listed in FATF in oct and they plan to throw immi the dim under the bus ,but it is real funny to see ghazwa-hind has turned into fighting a people's war inside pakistan :rotfl:
I thought immi is the perfect puppet of Paki fauj. Why do you need a coup? They will loose all credibility
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no, contrary to popular belief immi is not the perfect puppet. he was only chosen because a) he had mass appeal which meant that when PLM(N) along with sharif family was kicked out by fixing the election the replacement gov led by PTI (with public face of immi ) was accepted by inbred paki morons. b) immi had no morals and was ready to do anything to get PM seat because he believed it was his time.

unfortunately for the paki army ,immi while generally stupid was politically cunning enough to realize that both the bajwa and him needed each other in mid 2018 when PTI came to power. and he leveraged it fully by locking up the entire opposition and thus destabilizing the political structure of the country.now 1 year past the paki economy is in gutter, immi has made enough fool of himself internationally, at home he is known as mr U turn and there is generally a accepted notion in the narrative setters in pakistan that he and his ministers botched up the economy and then sold out to the IMF. and then he lost kashmir. now bajwa has gotten his extension and to manage the people and the state of the country they need a scrape goat. immi is going to go. it is set. now either a coup will happen or a no confidence motion will be held against immi and Qureshi will become PM. rumors about this have been going on this for 3-4 months in paki talk shows. no body is happy with immi. the opposition is up in arms and the rumors have that they are negotiating with the army to let the PTI gov ( which was formed by a very thin majority) complete its full term as long as someone else is PM except immi. now that PTI gov has completed 1 year, the paki people have accepted it as a viable option and if immi is replaced with a high profile well respected face like qureshi, the thinking goes that people will accept it
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Bart S wrote:
M_Joshi wrote: Why not copy & post the article here if it's so important & useful.
Why don't you click the link, genius, and advise if copy pasting that article in text format without the dozens of embedded screenshots makes sense :roll:
Not to mention the risk of BRF being proceeded against for violation of copyright laws in dozen jurisdictions.
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