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Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Peregrine » 25 Sep 2019 14:07

'No pressure on Modi': Imran Khan disappointed with world community over Kashmir – Agencies

HIGHLIGHTS

- PM Imran Khan on Tuesday admitted that Pakistan has failed in its attempts to internationalise the Kashmir issue.

- Khan acknowledged India's economic stature as main reason behind Pakistan's failure to internationalise the Kashmir issue.

- "The reason is India, people look upon India as a market of 1.2 billion people," the Pakistan PM said.


NEW YORK: Admitting that Pakistan has failed in its attempts to internationalise the Kashmir issue, Prime Minister Imran Khan on Tuesday said that he is disappointed with the international community over the issue.

Pakistan has been repeatedly snubbed by the international community on several platforms after it cried foul over India's abrogation of 370 in Jammu and Kashmir, with many countries backing New Delhi on the matter.

"(I am) disappointed by the international community. If eight million Europeans or Jews or even eight Americans were put under siege, would the reaction have been the same? There's no pressure yet on Modi to lift the siege. We'll keep putting the pressure...What are 9,00,000 troops doing there? Once the curfew is lifted, god knows what is going to happen after that...You think Kashmiris will quietly accept that Kashmir has been annexed?" he stated at a presser here on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly.

Pakistan foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi and Pakistan's envoy to the UN Maleeha Lodhi were also present at the presser with Khan.

Khan also acknowledged India's economic stature and global prominence while responding to why Pakistan's narrative on Kashmir is being overlooked.

"The reason is India, people look upon India as a market of 1.2 billion people...Some are appalled by it but by the end of it, they think of it as a market," he said.

PM Modi will take care of it: Trump on cross-border terror

US President Donald Trump said on Tuesday that it will be great if Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his Pakistani counterpart Imran Khan can "work out something" on Kashmir, distancing himself from any mediation between the two nuclear-armed neighbours.

Trump made the remarks as he met Prime Minister Modi on the sidelines of the United
Nations General Assembly
session here – their fourth meeting since Modi came to power for a second term in May this year.

"I really believe that Prime Minister Modi and Prime Minister Khan will get along when they get to know each other. I think a lot of good things will come from that meeting... It will be great if they can work out something on Kashmir," Trump said in response to a volley of questions.

When asked about the terrorism emanating from the Pakistani soil and Pakistan Army's links to the militant groups, Trump said, "the Prime Minister (Modi) will take care of it"
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"You have a great PM, he will solve all problem," Trump said, responding to another question from an Indian journalist.

Trumps remarks came a day after he met Imran Khan on Monday and once again offered to mediate between Pakistan and India on the Kashmir issue if both sides agree.

India maintains that the Kashmir issue is a bilateral one and no third party has any role in it.

Tensions between India and Pakistan spiked after India abrogated provisions of Article 370 of the Constitution to revoke the special status of Jammu and Kashmir.

India's action evoked strong reactions from Pakistan which downgraded diplomatic ties with New Delhi and expelled the Indian Ambassador.

Pakistan has been trying to internationalise the Kashmir issue but India has asserted that the abrogation of Article 370 was its "internal matter". New Delhi has also asked Islamabad to accept the reality and stop its anti-India rhetoric.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby sanjchopra » 25 Sep 2019 16:16

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/no-problem-talking-to-pakistan-but-terroristan-s-jaishankar/articleshow/71287775.cms

Jaishankar emphasized that India has no problem talking to Pakistan. “But we have a problem talking to Terroristan. And they have to be one and not be the other,” he said No problem talking to Pakistan but 'Terroristan'


My prediction that Imran Khan will not remain Pakistan PM in 2020. Very soon, curtains for him.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby pankajs » 25 Sep 2019 16:56


Now that the Dimran has failed to deliver, on ONE of the most pressing issue in Bakis history, for TSPA expect his wings to be clipped at least. He may even be retired with a nishan-e-lamppot. A long-march to Islamabad is being organized and it needs the fauj's backing to have any impact. What the crowd and coverage of the march in the press to gauge the mood of the khakis.

This also means that India has to be on alert. There wasn't even a face saver / a fig leaf granted to the bakis by the international community. Bakis have failed on mission Kashmir and that will reflect on the TSPA sooner or later. The khakis cannot allow that to happen.

OTOH, from the pov of the bakis, the world community has awarded Modi for this Kashmir gambit with the latest being by Gates foundation. That is like rubbing salt on the wound of Kashmir.

The TSPA will activate alternate plans to get the world's attention back to Kashmir by hook or crook. India must expect a major terror attack sooner than later which can then directly be linked to India's action on Kashmir. This is the time for extreme caution.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby pankajs » 25 Sep 2019 17:04

Kashi wrote:
Deans wrote:If indeed we have this intel, I'm surprised its out in the public domain.


Putting my tinfoil hat, all these rants about "fascist" "terrorist" "hindutva" etc. are geared towards this goal- manufacture "facts" and "grievances" and then we have reports about terrorists plotting to attack M-S-D. So if in the future any such attempt does happen, the usual suspects will be crawling out of woodowrk and actually justify the attack as a "reaction to fascism", much like it was for the Pulwama suicide bomber.
Yes.
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Rsatchi wrote:Baba tweeting orange alert at four bases
Something is going to happen :shock: :shock:
I sincerely wish they are not stupid enough to use dirty bombs
But you never know what the TSP will do
The response should be long lasting this time around :evil:

They (from Imran Khan to Ghafoora) have also repeatedly said 'India is planning a false flag' operation which means they are definitely planning something. Also dropping weapons via drones in Punjab border areas.
Yup.

And to counter that narrative(s) we are putting out some "info" out there in the open that we have "intel" is an impending terror attack by bakis irregulars.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby kit » 25 Sep 2019 17:18

There is still a chance that the army will keep dimran as a front for public ire... no dimran means all that will be directed against them ..and they will definitely not have that.. but this is useful ..for India. Say we might talk to your army since you don't have any locus standing in your own country..any talks would be waste of time. If the paki army is willing to return POK we will establish normal relations.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby schinnas » 25 Sep 2019 17:27

With all the opposition leaders under detention in Pakistan or under strong taint of corruption, army cannot 'retire' Dimran so easily. It will be an exercise stretching for several months or even couple of years to gradually erode the credibility of Dimran and prop up one or more popular alternatives.

Dimran has bent over backwards to accommodate khakis and has given extension to bajwa without even a token resistance. So no need for khakis to rock the boat unnecessarily.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby pankajs » 25 Sep 2019 17:30

Dimran is talked about openly as being "selected" at least by the opposition and in the media. The taint of the loss on Kashmir will ultimately splash on the khakis.

The easiest way out for the TSPA would be to dump Dimran for some a new face and shift the entire blame entirely on him via the media.

The next person can be from within PTI. An "anglophile" and "sauve" Dimran couldn't swing it for them on global stage so a dehati too could be a replacement.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Vips » 25 Sep 2019 18:05

Army/ISI does not have to waste time to take down Charsi Imran as he has a thin majority and hence a split from within PTI will be engineered which will withdraw support to Imran and render him as a used condom not even fit for the jinn talking Bushra.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Bart S » 25 Sep 2019 18:42

schinnas wrote:With all the opposition leaders under detention in Pakistan or under strong taint of corruption, army cannot 'retire' Dimran so easily. It will be an exercise stretching for several months or even couple of years to gradually erode the credibility of Dimran and prop up one or more popular alternatives.

Dimran has bent over backwards to accommodate khakis and has given extension to bajwa without even a token resistance. So no need for khakis to rock the boat unnecessarily.


TSP fauj has backed themselves into a corner by their targetting of PPP and PMLN politicians. They have actually been begging Nawaz to take a 'deal' that clears him, but Nawaz wisely refuses as his stock is growing stronger by the moment and he instead wants to wait and watch the fun as he gives them plenty of rope to hang themselves.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Amol.d » 25 Sep 2019 18:55



Freudian slip by Dimran, 'did you say i begged Trump' 'no no i said when you met Trump' ... :wink:

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Vikas » 25 Sep 2019 19:24

There is no shortage of Lota politicians that GHQ can put on the PM chair but the problem will remain unresolved. How do you manage a terror infested country with no hope or Human resources irrespective of who rules them. India was one reason that kept everyone hooked into exploits of Pak fauj but with JK issue hitting them in the face, How do you place next scapegoat on the zibbah table.
IMO they will continue with Dummy for 3 years till another protest or scandal hits Islamabad and then it is back to coup time baby.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby saip » 25 Sep 2019 19:51

Yesterday I posted a cartoon with dimran as a horse and Trump and Modi riding in the buggy with trump holding a carrot in front of Dimran. Now it has disappeared. Obviously Nation received a call from ISI.

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Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Peregrine » 25 Sep 2019 20:52

No problem talking to Pakistan but 'Terroristan': S Jaishankar – PTI

HIGHLIGHTS

- Jaishankar emphasized that India has no problem talking to Pakistan. “But we have a problem talking to Terroristan. And they have to be one and not be the other,” he said

- He added that in the aftermath of India's decision to scrap Jammu and Kashmir's special status, Pakistan now sees its “investment” of 70 years undercut if this policy succeeds


NEW YORK: India has no problem talking to Pakistan but it has a problem talking to “Terroristan” , external affairs minister S Jaishankar said here, asserting that Islamabad has created an entire industry of terrorism to deal with the Kashmir issue.

Jaishankar, addressing a New York audience at cultural organization Asia Society Tuesday, said when India decided to revoke Article 370 and bifurcate the state of Jammu and Kashmir into two union territories of Jammu and Kashmir and Ladakh, it drew a reaction from Pakistan and China.

Pakistan downgraded diplomatic relations with India and also expelled Indian high commissioner after New Delhi revoked the special status given to Jammu and Kashmir on Aug 5.

China had voiced "serious concern" over the situation in Kashmir, saying "the parties concerned should exercise restraint and act with caution, especially to avoid actions that unilaterally change the status quo and exacerbate tension."

Jaishankar emphasized that India has no problem talking to Pakistan. “But we have a problem talking to Terroristan. And they have to be one and not be the other, ” he said.

Jaishankar underlined that revoking Article 370 has no implications for India's external boundaries.

“We are sort of reformatting this within our existing boundaries. It obviously drew a reaction from Pakistan, it drew a reaction from China. These are two very different reactions. I think, for Pakistan, it was a country which has really created an entire industry of terrorism to deal with the Kashmir issue. In my view, it's actually bigger than Kashmir, I think they have created it for India, ” Jaishankar said.

He added that in the aftermath of India's decision to scrap Jammu and Kashmir's special status, Pakistan now sees its “investment” of 70 years undercut if this policy succeeds.

“So theirs is today a reaction of anger, of frustration in many ways, because you have built an entire industry over a long period of time,” he said.

When asked that Pakistan has said a lot and what does he think it would do, Jaishankar said this is not a Kashmir issue but a bigger issue than that and Pakistan has to accept that the “model which they have built for themselves, no longer works. That you cannot, in this day and age, conduct policy using terrorism as a legitimate instrument of statecraft. I think that's at the heart of the issue.”

Jaishankar recalled that over the years in Jammu and Kashmir, the lack of development, lack of opportunity, “actually created a sense of alienation, alienation to separatism, separatism used for terrorism.”

When asked what does Pakistan need to do as a precondition for Kashmir talks, Jaishankar said, “I think we are getting this wrong. First of all Pakistan has to do something for its own good and if it does that, it would enable a normal neighbourly relationship with India.”

He added that it is not like India and Pakistan agree on everything else and the two countries have wonderful relationships and there is a Kashmir issue.

“We had an attack on Mumbai city. The last time I checked, Mumbai city was not a part of Kashmir. So if Pakistani terrorists can attack states and regions which are far removed from Kashmir, we have got to recognize that there is a bigger problem out there, ” the minister said.

The problem is really the “mindset, ” he said adding that every time there is a change of government in Pakistan, "somebody says its new and nothing to do with the earlier guys" and blames the previous government.

Second, they say, "it has nothing to do with us as a country, it's all the Americans. The Americans taught us the bad habits by doing the Afghan jihad. We were good people till you came along, ” he said, taking a strong jibe at Pakistan.

“There is a fundamental issue there which they need to understand and we need to encourage them to do - that is to move away from terrorism,” he said, adding that at one level it's a huge issue and another level it's a very obvious issue.

These are not activities which are subterranean. These are activities in broad day light. They know where the camps are, anybody knows where the camps are, just google them. You'll find them,” he said.

Jaishankar emphasized that the provision in the Indian Constitution which gave Kashmir a different status was a temporary provision. “Now, here's the funny thing. We rarely read that in the international press.”

“We agree on what the word temporary means, it means something comes to an end. After 70 years, it came to an end. And 70 years is a decent definition of the word temporary,” he said.

He said when the Narendra Modi government was voted back into power, it took a long hard look at what its options are about Article 370 in Jammu and Kashmir.

“And the options were either we do more of the same knowing it doesn't work, or we do something different. So I think the choice was ok, we will do something different. And that something different, by the way, has no implications for the external boundaries of India,” he said.

On China, he said Beijing misread what was happening in Jammu and Kashmir after the revocation of Article 370.

“Now, I don't know why they believe that it impacted on them,” he said, adding that he went to
Beijing a few days after the Constitutional change and explained to them that “as far as they were concerned, nothing had changed. India's boundaries had not changed, the line of actual control has not changed. So that was the conversation we had with them.”

In Video : No problem talking to Pakistan but 'Terroristan': External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Anujan » 25 Sep 2019 23:16

Something is cooking vis a vis Khalistanis and Pakistan.

Despite the tensions over JK Pakistan has not stopped work on Kartarpur corridor. They have refused diplomats or security officials from the Indian side to accompany the pilgrims. On top of that there is a 2020 "referendum" planned about Khalistan among the expat community. There is small, but notable participation from Khalistanis in anti-india protests vis-a-vis JK and 370 in London and in other places.

Now the drone drops of arms.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Lilo » 25 Sep 2019 23:58

saip wrote:Yesterday I posted a cartoon with dimran as a horse and Trump and Modi riding in the buggy with trump holding a carrot in front of Dimran. Now it has disappeared. Obviously Nation received a call from ISI.

Found it and posting again.
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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Manu » 26 Sep 2019 01:25

Amber G. wrote:Doing = = .. Trump and Modi, also at UN meet..
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If I were a conspiracy Theorist, I would say Modi Ji has finally accepted the Freemasonic agenda for running the world. Note the Triangle hand sign.... :wink: :lol:

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Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Peregrine » 26 Sep 2019 03:08

pankajs wrote:Pak Media on Howdy Modi

KLNMurthy wrote:How do you say "towel" in Urdu?
KLNMurthy Ji :

Towel in Urdu : TOLIA تولیہ

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby jash_p » 26 Sep 2019 03:27

Diplomatic triumph’ as OIC urges India to restore Kashmir’s special status
By Kamran YousafPublished: September 25, 2019

ISLAMABAD: The Organisation of Islamic Countries (OIC) on Wednesday asked India to reverse its decision of revoking the special status of Occupied Jammu and Kashmir and allow “full and free access” to international bodies, including OIC and UN, to independently investigate reports of “gross and systematic human rights violations taking place there.”


U Kafir hindus now shiver in your dhotis ! Now powerful umma is coming after you.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby A_Gupta » 26 Sep 2019 05:13

This is what the OIC site has:
https://www.oic-oci.org/topic/?t_id=221 ... 938&lan=en

Trying to find the full statement.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby yensoy » 26 Sep 2019 05:39

Anujan wrote:Something is cooking vis a vis Khalistanis and Pakistan.

Despite the tensions over JK Pakistan has not stopped work on Kartarpur corridor. They have refused diplomats or security officials from the Indian side to accompany the pilgrims. On top of that there is a 2020 "referendum" planned about Khalistan among the expat community. There is small, but notable participation from Khalistanis in anti-india protests vis-a-vis JK and 370 in London and in other places.

Now the drone drops of arms.


We need 2 things:
1. Clear proof of drones emanating from Pakistan, including radar tracks, videos and visuals
2. Full inventory of all the items in the drone, including the drone model/capabilities etc

Once we get these, then it's curtains for the Pakis at FATF. Yes they can keep denying government/military involvement in this but a drone that has a 10kg payload isn't something you buy on Amazon.

We should also aim a few missiles at the drone launching site after obtaining the above evidence.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby pankajs » 26 Sep 2019 18:11

This is a baki anchor discussing Huston Modi/Trump rally. News and views that can spread negativity and bring down the morale are banned from being aired on baki tv. The Guy had to take to youtube to air his views/analysis.


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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Kashi » 26 Sep 2019 18:38

^^ Apparently he's an US national. Was in news recently for getting slapped by Dimmy's propagandu.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby samsher » 26 Sep 2019 19:04

Fortunately there are some saner voices (Tahir Ghora, Hamid Bashani etc) who can analyze and discuss the issue with a historical context.
Sadly though, these folks are in Canada and mainstream paki media is spewing verbal diarrhea!




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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby pankajs » 26 Sep 2019 20:51

International success of Dimran!


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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Amber G. » 26 Sep 2019 21:49

Lilo wrote:
saip wrote:Yesterday I posted a cartoon with dimran as a horse and Trump and Modi riding in the buggy with trump holding a carrot in front of Dimran. Now it has disappeared. Obviously Nation received a call from ISI.

Found it and posting again.
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Good cartoon, causing lot of pain for Nation who published it first and now saying it will not do it agian .. Image

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Amber G. » 26 Sep 2019 21:57

Meanwhile: On the request of Pakistan govt, UN Security Council allows Hafiz Saeed to withdraw monthly $1,000 to meet necessary basic living expenses. Even terrorists need pocket money!Image

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby KJo » 26 Sep 2019 22:21

Im the Dim was crying that no one cared to put pressure on Modi. If he knows that, he should think why not. It's not that people love India any more or less, it is because everyone thinks in their own self interest. Peacefool or not. Even the Arabs, after culturally enslaving a large part of the world think only about how they can benefit. They don't care about the "ummah". It's amazing that Pakis, after all the kicks they get don't fall in line and realize this.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Amber G. » 26 Sep 2019 23:06

When Modiji entered in to the conferences hall, everyone assembled in the hall has given the standing welcome to him.! Except one guy who was not able to either sit or stand and wanted to hide. Who is this guy?
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Postby Amber G. » 26 Sep 2019 23:22

Meanwhile sorry if already posted this viral picture..
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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby pankajs » 27 Sep 2019 00:08

Saner analysis


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Postby Amber G. » 27 Sep 2019 00:12

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Postby g.sarkar » 27 Sep 2019 04:14

https://www.rediff.com/news/report/pak- ... 190927.htm
Pak FM boycotts SAARC meeting, cites Kashmir
September 27, 2019
Pak FM boycotts SAARC meeting, cites Kashmir
September 27, 2019
Pakistan will not engage with India 'until and unless they lift the siege' in Kashmir, it said.
'They must safeguard human rights of Kashmiris, ensure they are protected and not violated or trampled upon,' it added.
Tensions between the two countries have spiked since India abrogated Article 370 of the Constitution to revoke the special status of Jammu and Kashmir in August.
India's decision evoked strong reactions from Pakistan, which downgraded diplomatic ties and expelled the Indian ambassador.
Pakistan has been trying to internationalise the Kashmir issue after India withdrew the special status of Jammu and Kashmir, but New Delhi has asserted the abrogation of Article 370 was its 'internal matter'. The SAARC is the regional grouping in Asia comprising India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Bhutan, the Maldives, Nepal, and Sri Lanka.
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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby saip » 27 Sep 2019 04:42

So the fat lady sang and the Nation apologized. Wow, what power. She sure works for the ISI.

Jilebi

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby g.sarkar » 27 Sep 2019 04:46

Saipji,
Please give a warning for those with medical conditions. Also bachelog (children people) should stay away.
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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby g.sarkar » 27 Sep 2019 04:48

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2066014/9- ... mran-khan/
THE EXPRESS TRIBUNE > PAKISTAN > PUNJAB
'Pakistan becoming a world player under Imran Khan'
By News DeskPublished: September 26, 201
Despite many hurdles faced by the government in the last year with Prime Minister Imran Khan at the helm, signs have now emerged that Pakistan is soon becoming an important player on the international stage.
According to an Opinion published in The Independent, the road to reform has been slow and bumpy but the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) government seems to be on the right track.
On the international stage, PM Imran’s leadership is a departure from his predecessors.
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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby saip » 27 Sep 2019 04:49

But Gautam, Jilebi is the Codeword and everyone on BRF knows.

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Postby g.sarkar » 27 Sep 2019 04:54

saip wrote:But Gautam, Jilebi is the Codeword and everyone on BRF knows.

Sirji,
The code was OK. But I was referring to the picture. Please do not look at it directly. If Helen (of Troy) had a face that launched a thousand ship, this is a face that sank a million ships. I think that the constipated face of Dimran is because of her.
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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby kit » 27 Sep 2019 04:56

Amber G. wrote:When Modiji entered in to the conferences hall, everyone assembled in the hall has given the standing welcome to him.! Except one guy who was not able to either sit or stand and wanted to hide. Who is this guy?
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Wow :rotfl: .. thats indeed a poster to remember !!!

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby kit » 27 Sep 2019 04:58

g.sarkar wrote:https://tribune.com.pk/story/2066014/9-pakistan-becoming-world-player-imran-khan/
THE EXPRESS TRIBUNE > PAKISTAN > PUNJAB
'Pakistan becoming a world player under Imran Khan'
By News DeskPublished: September 26, 201
Despite many hurdles faced by the government in the last year with Prime Minister Imran Khan at the helm, signs have now emerged that Pakistan is soon becoming an important player on the international stage.
According to an Opinion published in The Independent, the road to reform has been slow and bumpy but the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) government seems to be on the right track.
On the international stage, PM Imran’s leadership is a departure from his predecessors.
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Gautam



more like a word player boss, other than talk what else can the dim do ?!

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby kit » 27 Sep 2019 04:59

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