Terroristan - May 1, 2019

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby SBajwa » 30 Oct 2019 03:04

Bart S wrote:
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Pakistan instead has chosen to decide on its own to give leadership of the Sikh pilgrim group to Paramjit Singh Sarna. This has not been viewed well by people in Punjab. It is seen as disrespect to the sentiments of Members of the Sikh community who wanted to visit Nankana Sahib.

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#BREAKING: Pakistan has denied permission for a composite delegation led by Punjab Govt along with representatives of SGPC and DSGMC to organise Akand Path and hold Nagar Kirtan at Nankana Sahib. Visas for 31 member delegation of Punjab Govt and 450 Indian pilgrims not granted.


GOI knew that they were walking into a trap, not sure why they didn't put in place conditions/counters for this kind of stuff.

The above mentioned gent is apparently a Khalistani sympathizer who has been called nothing less than an ISI agent by SAD members and also held a party in honour of the Paki high comissioner (probably that Basit scumbag).

Given this provocation, the opening of he corridor should be put on hold by India with the unreasonable behavior of the Pakis being cited as a reason.


Paramjit Singh Sarna is not a Khalistani and is a leader of Shiromani Akali Dal Delhi. There are issues between SAD in Punjab and SADD in Delhi.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Vips » 30 Oct 2019 04:43

Paki expert Stephen Cohen has kicked the bucket. Dupatta was praising him on his show.

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Postby menon s » 30 Oct 2019 12:50

Reading S. Cohen.....after sometime.......:

COHEN ON PAKISTANI ESTABLISHMENT:

“the establishment’ is an informal political system that comprises of the senior ranks of the military, the civil service, the judiciary, and other elites possessing a common set of beliefs that:
• India has to be countered at every move and issue militarily, thereby giving the military a primary role in Pakistan.

• The national interest is understood only by the army, not by civilian politicians.

• Nuclear weapons have obliged Pakistan with security and status.

• Kashmir is the unfinished part of the partition plan

• Large-scale social reforms such as land redistribution are unacceptable

• Verbal Muslim nationalism is desirable but Islamism is not.

• The armed forces are considered a "model" and democracy is seen as good only as long as it does not interfere with the governance of the elite.

• Washington should not be trusted but should be taken maximum advantage of.

• The media need to be on a tight leash.

• Existence of radical Islamic extremists could be a useful tool for state policy.

"something or someone will always come to Pakistan's rescue because of its location"

This should be posted as PAKISTAN 101, before someone attempts to study Paksitan.

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Postby Peregrine » 30 Oct 2019 18:47

JUI-F Azadi March

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'Azadi March now a national movement,' says Fazlur Rehman

"The 'Azadi March' is the voice of every oppressed soul in Pakistan," says JUI-F chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman addressing a massive gathering at Lahore's Azadi Chowk.

"It represents members from every section of society who have all tied all their hopes with the march. It has now taken the form of a national movement."

The JUI-F chief prayed for the recovery of PML-N supremo Nawaz Sharif and PPP co-chairman Asif Ali Zardari.

"We wish to see them released from behind bars and be among the people.

"This drama has to stop. This country has no room for any more such dramas," said Rehman, in reference to the government's anti-corruption drive which saw the aforementioned leaders sentenced to jail.

Rehman also praised his party workers who "proved that they are peaceful". "No one even got a scratch on them. You have proved this to be a tranquil march."



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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby SSridhar » 30 Oct 2019 21:27

Bart S wrote:The above mentioned gent [Paramjit Singh Sarna] is apparently a Khalistani sympathizer who has been called nothing less than an ISI agent by SAD members and also held a party in honour of the Paki high comissioner (probably that Basit scumbag).

Sarna has been hosted & feted by ISI openly in Pakistan before.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Bart S » 30 Oct 2019 22:22

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What's with the Fidel Castro style outfits?

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Bart S » 30 Oct 2019 22:25

Vips wrote:Paki expert Stephen Cohen has kicked the bucket. Dupatta was praising him on his show.


More like expert Paki, i.e someone who skillfully pushed the pro-Paki POV without outing himself as such.

Watch the comments on Dupatta's video, all kinds of gullible folks are going gaga over Uneven due to his glowing tribute, that as usual ignores the Indian national interest or POV. :-o

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Postby Sonugn » 30 Oct 2019 22:39

^Read somewhere that he said India holding to Siachin is like a bald man holding onto a comb.

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Postby Peregrine » 30 Oct 2019 22:40

Mullah on the march: Pakistan cleric takes on Imran Khan

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- Maulana Fazlur Rehman has dominated the airwaves in recent days with his calls to unseat Imran

- "This movement will continue until the end of this government," Rehman said

- Khan's government has been under pressure for months as anger simmers over the dire state of the economy

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan faces the first major challenge to his leadership this week as a grey-bearded, orange-turbaned rival he calls "Maulana Diesel" marches to Islamabad with thousands of Islamists hoping to bring down the government.

Maulana Fazlur Rehman — one of the country's most seasoned political operators — has dominated the airwaves in recent days with his calls to unseat his old adversary Khan

The prime minister, he says, did not win last year's election, but was "selected" by the powerful security establishment — a suggestion denied by Khan, but spread widely by Pakistan's opposition since even before the July 2018 election.

"This movement will continue until the end of this government," Rehman told reporters ahead of the march.

"There is no other way... to bring Pakistan back on the democratic path." Rehman, who heads the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (JUI-F) — one of the country's largest Islamist parties — has been leading supporters from across Pakistan for days on a "Azadi (Freedom) March" towards Islamabad, with tens of thousands expected to converge on the capital.

Rehman was in Lahore Wednesday and set to arrive in Islamabad late Thursday, but so far has refused to clarify what happens next.

It is a scenario Khan himself is familiar with. As opposition leader in 2014 he organised months of mass protests in Islamabad that failed in a bid to bring down the government

With the ability to mobilise tens of thousands of madrassa students, JUI-F protests have a history of stirring unrest, and authorities are sealing off the capital's diplomatic enclave with shipping containers.

A violent crackdown risks sparking a wider backlash in the Muslim-majority country, where mainstream politicians have long tried to keep the conservative right on side.

Rehman's bad blood with Khan runs deep.

Khan ran on an anti-corruption agenda in 2018 and called out "Maulana Diesel", as he dubbed him, for his alleged participation in graft involving fuel licenses.

Rehman, in turn, refers to the former World Cup-winning cricketer as "the Jew" — citing his first marriage to Jemima Goldsmith, along with incoherent anti-Semitic conspiracies.

Rehman, a maulana (cleric) whose orange turban sports a traditional pattern from his northwest hometown, lost his parliamentary seat in 2018 to a candidate from Khan's Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) party.

Still smarting from that loss, Rehman has chosen this moment carefully.

Khan's government has been under pressure for months as anger simmers over the dire state of the economy.

Unemployment, double-digit inflation, and rising utility costs have hit ordinary Pakistanis hard — issues other opposition parties have also railed against — and Rehman has been eager to exploit the unhappiness during the march.

As the protest moved toward the capital this week, traders across the country launched a two-day strike, piling further pressure on Khan.

The cleric insists that Khan needs to be removed from office, and a new "free and fair" election held.

But he remains vague about how he aims to achieve their goals.

That lack of substance has led some observers to suggest Rehman's protest is more a salve for his ego after the humiliating election drubbing.

"He's been left out of a game and he thinks he's been cheated out of his rightful place," said columnist Arifa Noor.

"The (economy) is more of a stick to beat the government with." Rehman has rotated in and out of successive governments for decades, forging alliances with both Islamist and secular parties while enjoying occasional support from the military establishment.

He was once a hardline Islamist and anti-American firebrand, calling for the implementation of Shariah law publically backing the Afghan Taliban, but more recently has tried to rebrand as a moderate.

That has not stopped him from dismissing the attack on Nobel prize laureate Malala ousafzai in 2012 as a fabricated conspiracy, and protesting the exoneration of Asia Bibi — a Christian woman at the centre of Pakistan's most high-profile blasphemy case

Whether the march ends in violence or not, it has undeniably thrust Rehman back into the spotlight after suggestions he was increasingly becoming irrelevant.

"When was the last time the maulana dominated the news agenda this much?" asked Noor.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Peregrine » 30 Oct 2019 22:48

Bart S wrote:What's with the Fidel Castro style outfits?
Bart Ji :

Your Post 30 Oct 2019 22:22

Terroristan imports a lot of "Old Used Discarded Clothing". As such, I guess, his could be some sort of Imported Military Discarded Clothing.

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Postby Atmavik » 30 Oct 2019 23:36

Bart S wrote:
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What's with the Fidel Castro style outfits?


BTW those wires are not suspension wires. they are there just for show.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby nam » 30 Oct 2019 23:42

The funny part in all these, if the yahoo force the dimmer out, good for us.

If the dimmer goes all yahoo..on the yahoos.. that is good for us as well.

Dimmer is perfect. He continues, he will take them to hellhole, well & good. Does not continue, some yahoo comes well & good.

Our objective should be to force PA squeeze out juice from the Pak state. For that, high intensity artillery fire assault on LC, until we cross the 5 trillion magic figure.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

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Tauba Tauba! So 92% of Pakis are eebhil RAW agents who have abandoned the Kashmir kozz? :rotfl:

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby pankajs » 31 Oct 2019 01:59

Bart S wrote:What's with the Fidel Castro style outfits?

Special group that surround the leaders convoy to prevent mischief. Maulana is being cautious given the baki fondness for vacuum blast and sun roof levers. Can't blame him.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Rudradev » 31 Oct 2019 02:40

More than Fidel Castro they remind me of the Pasdaran and its predecessors who provided "security" for Khomeini.

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Postby la.khan » 31 Oct 2019 08:37

Atmavik wrote:BTW those wires are not suspension wires. they are there just for show.

So, what exactly is that structure? Some kind of an elevated corridor for mass transit (for ex. rail)? How did so many people get on top of it? How do they come down? I ask because I have never seen anything like that before :-?

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Postby Kashi » 31 Oct 2019 10:52

la.khan wrote:So, what exactly is that structure? Some kind of an elevated corridor for mass transit (for ex. rail)?


It's for the Lahore Metro bus.

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Postby abhijitm » 31 Oct 2019 10:54

Atmavik wrote:
Bart S wrote:
What's with the Fidel Castro style outfits?


BTW those wires are not suspension wires. they are there just for show.

I think those wires are holding upright the center pillar?
Or
Center pillar is holding up the elevated corridor from falling on either side?

Strange engineering.

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Postby abhijitm » 31 Oct 2019 11:07

la.khan wrote:
Atmavik wrote:BTW those wires are not suspension wires. they are there just for show.

So, what exactly is that structure? Some kind of an elevated corridor for mass transit (for ex. rail)? How did so many people get on top of it? How do they come down? I ask because I have never seen anything like that before :-?

Either orange line metro (under construction) or metro bus. Either way, strange these fkers could walk up there!

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Postby abhijitm » 31 Oct 2019 11:09

BTW, I don't think maulana can gather so many abduls without military backing.

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Postby Vikas » 31 Oct 2019 11:20

Why would Military back Maulana ?
It isn't as if Dimran is disobeying military or they need to send a message to anyone who cares to listen.
I think in Absurdistan, everyone is doing Halala with everyone else and divorcing everyone at the same time.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby chetak » 31 Oct 2019 11:55

abhijitm wrote:
Atmavik wrote:
BTW those wires are not suspension wires. they are there just for show.

I think those wires are holding upright the center pillar?
Or
Center pillar is holding up the elevated corridor from falling on either side?

Strange engineering.


not all the cables appear to be under tension, some less than the others.

may be they have contractor payment problems, demented paki engineering or a paki army controlled/owned construction company doing the usual shoddy job

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Rsatchi » 31 Oct 2019 12:51

https://www.news18.com/news/world/pakis ... 68119.html
Just look at the cause of death in the burning train: majority due to jumping off the moving coach!!!
I know it is not a direct comparison but using the analogy can one extrapolate as to cause of death in 'Godhra' : majority due to burns due ??? inability to get off the coach and the reason being doors barred from outside!!

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Parasu » 31 Oct 2019 12:59

abhijitm wrote:BTW, I don't think maulana can gather so many abduls without military backing.


Anyone can get a crowd in al Bakistan because of the bobulation eggsplosion.

Military will kick some Maulana butts if Diesel gets ambitious. Most likely, the same thing will happen as did with the Dimran-Badmash scenario in 2014. The 111 brigade launching another coup wont be so bad, though.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby SriKumar » 31 Oct 2019 15:37

it appears as if the cables are cosmetic. more pix here https://www.facebook.com/developingPak/ ... =3&theater

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Postby Peregrine » 31 Oct 2019 16:18

Pak violated its obligations under Vienna Convention in Kulbhushan Jadhav's case: ICJ President tells UNGA - PTI

HIGHLIGHTS

- Pakistan violated its obligations under the Vienna Convention in the case of Indian national Kulbhushan Jadhav, ICJ President Judge Abduylqawi Yusuf told the UN General Assembly.

- In a major victory for India, the ICJ had ruled that Pakistan must review the death sentence awarded to Jadhav.

- India had argued that consular access was being denied to its national in violation of the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Relations.

UNITED NATIONS: Pakistan violated its obligations under the ViennaConvention in the case of Indian national Kulbhushan Jadhav, International Court of Justice (ICJ) President Judge Abduylqawi Yusuf told the UN General Assembly.

Presenting the report of the International Court of Justice to the 193-member General Assembly on Wednesday, Yusuf said in its judgment of July 17 the principal judicial organ of the United Nations “found that Pakistan had violated its obligations under Article 36 of the Vienna Convention and that appropriate remedies were due in this case.”

In a major victory for India, the ICJ had ruled that Pakistan must review the death sentence awarded to Jadhav , a retired Indian Navy officer who was sentenced to death by the Pakistani military court on charges of "espionage and terrorism" after a closed trial in April 2017. India had argued that consular access was being denied to its national in violation of the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Relations.

The bench led by Yusuf had ordered an "effective review and reconsideration of the conviction and sentence of Mr Kulbhushan Sudhir Jadhav.”

Yusuf elaborated on several aspects of the Court's ruling in Jadhav's case while presenting his report to the General Assembly.

He said one of the issues that the Court had to examine was the question of whether the rights relating to consular access, set out in Article 36 of the Vienna Convention, were in any manner to be excluded in a situation where the individual concerned was suspected of carrying out acts of espionage. “The Court noted in that regard that there is no provision in
the Vienna Convention containing a reference to cases of espionage; nor does the Article concerning consular access,
Article 36, exclude from its scope certain categories of persons, such as those suspected of espionage. Therefore, the Court concluded that Article 36 of the Vienna Convention was applicable in full to the case at hand,” he said.

The Court was also called upon to interpret the meaning of the expression “without delay” in the notification requirements of Article 36 of the Vienna Convention. The Court noted that in its case, the question of how to determine what was meant by the term “without delay” depended on the given circumstances of a case.

“Taking into account the particular circumstances of the Jadhav case, the Court noted that Pakistan's making of the notification some three weeks after Mr. Jadhav's arrest constituted a breach of its obligation to inform India's consular
post “without delay”, as required by the provisions of the Vienna Convention,” he noted.

He further said that “another interesting legal question” that the Court had to address was whether a bilateral agreement on consular access concluded between the two Parties - India and Pakistan - in 2008 could be read as excluding the applicability of the Vienna Convention.

“The Court considered that this was not the case,” he said.

“More precisely, the Court noted that under the Vienna Convention, parties we amplify the provisions of that instrument. Having examined the 2008 Agreement, the Court came to the conclusion that it could not be read as denying consular access in the case of an arrest, detention or sentence made on political or security grounds, and that it did not displace obligations under Article 36 of the Vienna Convention.”

Coming to the “crux” of the Court's ruling, he said the Court considered the reparation and remedies to be granted, after it had found that the rights to consular access had been violated.

"In line with its earlier jurisprudence in other cases dealing with breaches of the Vienna Convention, the Court found that the appropriate remedy was effective review and reconsideration of the conviction and sentence of Mr. Jadhav.”

Yusuf told the General Assembly that the Court moreover clarified what it considered to be the requirements of effective review and reconsideration.

It stressed that “Pakistan must ensure that full weight is given to the effect of the violation of the rights set forth in the Vienna Convention and guarantee that the violation and the possible prejudice caused by the violation are fully examined.”

“While the Court left the choice of means to provide effective review and reconsideration to Pakistan, it noted that effective review and reconsideration presupposes the existence of a procedure that is suitable for this purpose and
observed that it is normally the judicial process that is suited to this task.”

Yusuf said that following its ruling, the Court received a communication dated August 1, 2019 from Pakistan confirming its commitment to implementing the July 17 judgment in full.

“In particular, Pakistan stated that Mr. Jadhav had been immediately informed of his rights under the Vienna Convention and that the consular post of the High Commission of India in Islamabad had been invited to visit him on August 2, 2019,” Yusuf said.

India had welcomed the verdict of the International Court of Justice, saying that the ruling of the court by a vote of 15-1 upheld India's position in the case.

In Video: Kulbhushan Jadhav case: Pakistan volated Vienna Convention, ICJ tells UN

Added Later : TERRORISTAN NEVER WINS ANY CASE AGAINST INDIA

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Postby Vips » 31 Oct 2019 16:46

65 killed in massive fire on moving train in Pakistan.

Note the timing of this 'incident'. No doubt this was engineered by Imran/ISI to divert attention of aam abdul/ayesha from Maulana Fazlur Rehman's Dharna which was scheduled to reach Slumabad today.

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Mods : Please transfer to the appropriate Thread - TIA

Involved in some secret mission?' BJP questions Rahul Gandhi

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Postby Peregrine » 31 Oct 2019 17:19

Vips wrote:65 killed in massive fire on moving train in Pakistan.

Note the timing of this 'incident'. No doubt this was engineered by Imran/ISI to divert attention of aam abdul/ayesha from Maulana Fazlur Rehman's Dharna which was scheduled to reach Slumabad today.
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TAKE. DO THE TALK! i.e. LO KAR LO BAAT - Terroristanis Been There! Done it before! :rotfl:

Aviation Safety Network – Flight Safety Foundation

Status: Final
Date: Monday 26 November 1979


Narrative : Flight PK740 departed Jeddah at 01:29 for a flight to Karachi. The aircraft was climbing to FL370 when, at 01:47, a stewardess reported a fire near the aft cabin passenger door. The crew started a descent from FL300 and were cleared to descend to 4000 feet. Following a mayday call at 02:03 nothing more was heard from the flight. The aircraft crashed in a level rocky area at an elevation of 3000 feet and burst into flames.

Probable Cause:

PROBABLE CAUSE: "An in-flight fire in the cabin area which, through its intensity and rapid extension, resulted in panic among the passengers and smoke in the cockpit, eventually incapacitating the flight crew. The cause of the cabin fire was not determined."

It was considered that the origin of the cabin fire could have been a leaking gasoline or kerosene stove, carried aboard by Haj pilgrim passengers. Pressure differential could have caused a poorly sealed gasket to leak fuel.

A second possibility is an electrical fire, but the rapid extension of the fire was considered difficult to explain because of the electrical circuit protection devices of the Boeing 707. Sabotage was considered as another possibility, but no evidence of use of an incendiary device was found.

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Postby Deans » 31 Oct 2019 17:55

Peregrine wrote:
Vips wrote:65 killed in massive fire on moving train in Pakistan.

Note the timing of this 'incident'. No doubt this was engineered by Imran/ISI to divert attention of aam abdul/ayesha from Maulana Fazlur Rehman's Dharna which was scheduled to reach Slumabad today.
Vips Ji:


They have trains that function ! Proud of you Im the Dim Ji !
The glass is half full.

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Toll is up. Finally, ABCNews has something to report.

A massive fire caused by a cooking gas stove erupted Thursday on a train traveling in Pakistan's eastern Punjab province, killing at least 71 passengers, officials said. Flames roared through the train cars as the train approached the town of Liaquatpur in Punjab, they said, the latest tragedy to hit Pakistan's dilapidated, poorly maintained and mismanaged rail system. Survivors recounted horrific scenes of fellow passengers screaming as they jumped through the windows and off the train, flames billowing from the carriages.
"We could hear people crying and screaming for help," said Chaudhry Shujaat who had boarded the train just a few hours earlier with his wife and two children. "I thought we would die. The next car was on fire. We felt so helpless."
Deputy Commissioner Jamil Ahmed said the fire broke out when a gas stove exploded as breakfast was being prepared on board. He added that the death toll had risen steadily since the early morning.
Kaleem Ullah, an official with the district emergency services, says of the 43 people injured, 11 were still in critical condition.
Several of the injured had jumped off the train — many to their deaths — after the fire broke out and before it eventually screeched to a halt, said Ahmed.
Survivors said it took the train nearly 20 minutes to come to a halt after the fire broke out and passengers began screaming for help. Some pulled at emergency cords that weave through the train to notify the conductor. {UBCN Preliminary Investigation Report: If the train stopped every time the momeen pulled the cords to make it go faster, it would still be in Krachi, so the driver goes ahead until at least 1000 pulls are made.}
Ghulam Abbas, a passenger who had gotten on the train in the town of Nawabshah in neighboring Sindh province with his wife and two children, recounted watching panicked passengers jumping off.
"We learned afterward that most of them had died," he said.
His wife, Sulai Khan Bibi, said she was horrified what would happen to their two small children. "We were so close to death, but Allah saved us," she said, clutching the children.
In Pakistan, poor passengers often bring their own small gas stoves on the trains to cook their meals, despite rules to the contrary, according to Railways Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed. Safety regulations are often ignored in the overcrowded trains.

Ahmed said in Thursday's tragedy, it was cooking oil carried on the train by a group of Islamic missionaries known as Tableeqi-e-Jamaat that had caught fire after the initial cooking stove exploded, contributing to the extent of the blaze and its speedy progress.

Railway official Shabir Ahmed said bodies of passengers were scattered over a 2 kilometer (mile) -wide area around the site.

People from nearby villages rushed to the train, carrying buckets of water and shovels to help douse the flames. "But it was impossible," said Ahmed.

Through the morning hours, rescue workers and inspectors sifted through the charred wreckage, looking for survivors and aiding the injured. Local Pakistani TV footage from the scene showed a huge blaze raging as firefighters struggled to get it under control. Officials said they were still trying to identify the victims and that the lists of fatalities and those injured were not ready yet. Another train was dispatched to bring the survivors to the city of Rawalpindi, they said. Yasmin Rashid, a provincial minister in the Punjab, told reporters that the medical staff were providing the best possible treatment for the injured at a hospital in Liaquatpur . Those critically injured were taken by ambulances to the city of Multan, the largest city nearest to the site of the accident. The train was on its way from Karachi to the garrison city of Rawalpindi.. Pakistan's military said troops were also participating in the rescue operation. :roll: Train accidents in Pakistan are often the result of poor railway infrastructure and official negligence. Media reports on Thursday suggest that railways officials did not notice when passengers boarded the train, carrying individual gas stoves.
Now for ABC News sneering: In July, a passenger train rammed into a pared freight train at the Walhar Railway Station in the district of Rahim Yar Khan, killing at least 20 people and injuring 74. A month earlier, a passenger train traveling to the eastern city of Lahore from the port city of Karachi collided with a freight train in the southern city of Hyderabad, killing three people.

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Peregrine wrote:Vips Ji:
Deans wrote:They have trains that function ! Proud of you Im the Dim Ji !
The glass is half full.
Deans Ji :

Sir Ji, I'm the Dim will say "I see it as HALF EMPTY" :((

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Postby SSridhar » 31 Oct 2019 20:13

SriKumar wrote:it appears as if the cables are cosmetic. more pix here https://www.facebook.com/developingPak/ ... =3&theater

From the above, Developing Pakistan
JF-17 Thunder & Pakistani Pilot Win International Armament Competition

#Pakistan Air Force’s (#PAF) JF-17 Thunder has reaffirmed its credibility as the country’s best fighter jet by winning the Best Armament Trophy at Inter-Squadron Armament Competition.

The competition, which began on 10th October, was held at the Sonmiani firing range in Balochistan. Some of the best pilots from different squadrons of the force took part in the competition

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby SBajwa » 31 Oct 2019 20:32

chetak wrote:
abhijitm wrote:I think those wires are holding upright the center pillar?
Or
Center pillar is holding up the elevated corridor from falling on either side?

Strange engineering.


not all the cables appear to be under tension, some less than the others.

may be they have contractor payment problems, demented paki engineering or a paki army controlled/owned construction company doing the usual shoddy job



This structure is not for any transportation. It is just an elevated road that goes no where but in a circle. The whole structure is cosmetic as we say in Punjab "Just for a show"

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Postby yensoy » 31 Oct 2019 20:51

SBajwa wrote:This structure is not for any transportation. It is just an elevated road that goes no where but in a circle. The whole structure is cosmetic as we say in Punjab "Just for a show"


These are interchanges built at elevation - that way the through traffic can flow unimpeded at the ground level while any turns can be negotiated in the elevated disk. It's particularly useful when there isn't space or budget to build a clover leaf to handle the turns, but the turning traffic is too much for a signal to handle. The one in Lahore is at 31°35'28.4"N 74°18'21.2"E (31.591222, 74.305891) right by the Badshahi mosque which can be seen in the background in the jalsa photos. We have many in India, for instance one in Tindivanam TN, 12°13'35.6"N 79°39'01.5"E (12.226557, 79.650409).

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Atmavik » 31 Oct 2019 21:12

SBajwa wrote:
chetak wrote:
not all the cables appear to be under tension, some less than the others.

may be they have contractor payment problems, demented paki engineering or a paki army controlled/owned construction company doing the usual shoddy job



This structure is not for any transportation. It is just an elevated road that goes no where but in a circle. The whole structure is cosmetic as we say in Punjab "Just for a show"


Yes, the cables are just for show. This was widely discussed on Twitter. Maybe someone got 10% or 90%


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