Terroristan - May 1, 2019

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Anujan » 03 Sep 2019 08:29

^^^
U-235 has a critical mass of 52KG and plutonium-239 has critical mass of 10KG. And then you need explosives to trigger the bomb. Add another 10KG. Then you need electronics and casing.

Unless Pakistanis have invented new Peshawar Physics, it is impossible to have 250gm nuclear bomb. Unless they are talking about a "dirty bomb", which is just designed to spread radioactive materials.

The "backpack bombs" that everyone talks about is about 25kg.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby sum » 03 Sep 2019 09:35

^^ Guess he meant 250kg bomb?

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Aditya_V » 03 Sep 2019 10:58

Err are you guys trying to use Shaik Rashid and laws of physics- like many in his country the man is beyond facts and logic.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby g.sarkar » 03 Sep 2019 12:59

https://www.news18.com/news/world/have- ... 94893.html
Have Hard Evidence Linking Pakistan to ISIS Presence in Region, Says Afghan V-P Hopeful and Ex-Spy Boss
Amrullah Saleh said Afghanistan looks at India as a 'very solid ally' and its move of abrogating provisions of Article 370 in Kashmir is purely an internal matter.

Manoj Gupta | CNN-News18September 3, 2019.
As Afghanistan gears up for its presidential election on September 28, its vice-presidential candidate Amrullah Saleh has said that not only do Afghans see Prime Minister Narendra Modi as a friend, they are grateful to him for his “solid stand on terrorism”.
In an exclusive interview to CNN-News18’s Manoj Gupta, Saleh — a former interior minister and chief of the National Directorate of Security — supported India’s move of abrogating provisions of Article 370 in Jammu and Kashmir and accused Pakistan of taking revenge from Afghans after “its quest to reach parity with India failed”.
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Afghanistan is heading for elections on one side and peace talks on the other side. Do you think this will impact elections in some way?
No, the election will take place. These are two parallel processes and a mandated government can negotiate with the Taliban. So they will not cross each other.
Why do you think the two issues will not cross each other?
Because the election is scheduled to take place in the next three weeks and will refresh the mandate of the government. It will elect a mandated president who will negotiate on behalf of the republic. Therefore, the peace process and the election are not against each other, they complement each other.
If peace talks are concluded, can Taliban become a part of active politics? And will the regional equations also change then?
Taliban was offered to become a mainstream political movement a long time ago, but it has been reluctant and refusing to give up violence, denounce violence and become a political force, because they know they can't compete in the elections. They know they cannot win a seat. That is why, it has been extremely difficult to convince them to resort to normal politics. Will their inclusion in the political system of Afghanistan bring change? Of course, it will. But the absorption capacity of the republic is massive and it will not shatter the structure of the republic.
Do you think this time Taliban will be different from the Taliban of the 1990s?
They try not to be different, but (today) they are much weaker than in the nineties. And their weakness includes a lack of political manifest. They have not presented any political programme or strategy to the people of Afghanistan. Their leadership remains stagnant in old and outdated ideas and ideologies. Afghanistan has changed massively and the members of Taliban have not been able to see that change, realise that change; either adjust themselves or provide new message to the society. So, therefore, they are much weaker politically, even defeated politically, than in the nineties.
How do you see India’s role in the new Afghanistan at a time when United States troops are withdrawing, peace process is going on and there will be international pressure on Afghanistan to maintain good relations with Pakistan?
We see India as a very solid ally of the Afghan people, of the Afghan government. We work very closely with India on various issues, including various scenarios and eventualities. So India's role in Afghanistan, with peace or without peace, will keep growing as India is growing itself, just as Afghanistan's vitality and viability as a partner with India is growing. We see a larger role in India, for India, in Afghanistan in any scenario.
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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Atmavik » 03 Sep 2019 13:23

Aditya_V wrote:Err are you guys trying to use Shaik Rashid and laws of physics- like many in his country the man is beyond facts and logic.


for science and technology there is only one reputable voice in TSP. he has set a target of 2022 for moon and 2024 for mars all powered by pindi chanaa gas.

the Einstein-e-jhelum

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Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Peregrine » 03 Sep 2019 13:46

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVCThNIMGjw

Sethi Sey Sawal | 2 September 2019 | Najam Sethi on Imran Khan & Pakistan's History



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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Bart S » 03 Sep 2019 13:59

https://twitter.com/Being_Vinita/status ... 3451226115
Watch the hilarious clip from Zaid Hamid....looks like dreams of Ghazwa-e-HIND have been downgraded into panicked plans for Ghazwa-e-Pind and 'gorilla' warfare to defend their cities from 'Hindu Mushrik' :rotfl:

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Bart S » 03 Sep 2019 14:04

Aditya_V wrote:Err are you guys trying to use Shaik Rashid and laws of physics- like many in his country the man is beyond facts and logic.


Yep, he is the railway minister of a country of 240 million people that has only 138 trains (about 1/100th the number that India runs), who yesterday openly admitted that he was 'kept by the army', was recently egged in public by his own countrymen whilst on a shopping trip to London (which he openly admitted was paid for by a wealthy Paki businessman), and who pontificates on anything and everything under the sun. He is primarily a waste of oxygen, but certainly a waste of our thought/analysis bandwidth if we take him seriously.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Bart S » 03 Sep 2019 14:16

So Hindu fascist RSS Nazi Moodi govt denying medical care to innocent Muslims (according to Bernie Sanders) is expected to supply life saving medicines to Pakistan now?
https://www.geo.tv/latest/246497-pakist ... ed-kashmir

:eek: :oops: :((

Hope GOI makes this is into a massive PR opportunity, but that will likely not happen as it makes too much sense.

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Postby Peregrine » 03 Sep 2019 15:04

Surgical strikes to Article 370, Modi govt rewrites stale India-Pak script - Rajeev Deshpande | TNN

HIGHLIGHTS

- The situation changed with the Modi govt resorting to the 2016 surgical strikes which
brought home to the military brass in Rawalpindi that infiltrating terrorists into J&K will not be without costs.

- Pakistan denied the strikes occurred , but local reports, including an audio sting of the local police head, made it clear that many jihadis waiting on launch pads had died.

NEW DELHI: For long, India's response to a major terror strike inspired and backed by Pakistan was largely to suspend dialogue and launch a diplomatic offensive. At the other end of the scale was the threat, rarely invoked, to use military might as after the attack on Parliament in 2001.

The 2001-02 military standoff lasted months and ended with a ceasefire agreement and later a joint statement where Pakistan pledged not to let its territory be used for terror against India. Though Pakistan has breached the pledge often, the muscle flexing did force some concessions from Pakistan's then ruler Gen Pervez Musharraf.

But massive military mobilisation is cumbersome and expensive and cannot be frequently repeated. Soon, Pakistan got back to its routine - waiting for the storm to blow over and international pressure to build on "nuclear armed" neighbours to resume talks. India's reluctance to use force after the 26/11 Mumbai attacks reinforced this belief in Pakistan's elite circles.

India was left oscillating between an ineffective suspension of a stuttering dialogue and threat of war. There did not seem any effective measures between these opposing points on a strategic scale.

The situation changed with the Modi government resorting to the 2016 surgical strikes which brought home to the military brass in Rawalpindi that infiltrating terrorists into Jammu & Kashmir will not be without costs. Pakistan denied the strikes occurred, but local reports, including an audio sting of the local police head, made it clear that many jihadis waiting on launch pads had died.

The 2019 Pulwama attack led to the Balakot strike and while Islamabad again denied the Jaish-e-Mohammed camp was hit, prolonged closure of its air space indicated that the possibility of IAF striking targets deep in Pakistan had induced a worrying sense of uncertainty. Pakistan won't start war or use nukes first against India, says Imran

Though Indian planners may not have specifically considered it, the Modi government's actions seem to draw a leaf from the "compellence doctrine" articulated by Nobel winning economist Thomas Schelling which outlines actions to proactively change status quo instead of the more passive deterrence.

Innovative diplomacy in West Asia with Saudia Arabia and the UAE drawn into closer ties areother, more conventional, aspects of Indian policy to contain Pakistan whose leaders lament the indifference of Muslim states to developments in J&K.

The decision to turn Article 370 into a dead letter is the Modi government's boldest and most significant step and one that Pakistan cannot ignore. It now finds itself in the unusual situation of scrambling to react - a change from the past when it brazened it out.

Pakistan has, apart from a major campaign on "human rights" in J&K, raised the nuclear scenario to gain global attention. This has been a familiar recipe too though the incongruity of raising the spectre of atomic weapons in response to alleged human rights violations might escape Pakistani PM Imran Khan.

While India has not changed its nuclear no first use posture, a stance that marks it as a responsible nation, defence minister Rajnath Singh's suggestion that NFU is not cast in stone gives Pakistan's military more to chew on. It is another inflexion point in a battle of nerves. From hints that NFU is not sacrosanct to plans to use Indus waters (without breaching the water sharing treaty) are intended to make Pakistan bear the consequences of its rogue actions. It's a new experience.

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Postby Peregrine » 03 Sep 2019 15:33

PM Imran seeks to quell talk of war with India - Our Correspondent
LAHORE: Prime Minister Imran Khan on Monday warned that Pakistan and India were the two nuclear-armed countries and any escalation of tensions between them could endanger the world.
Addressing the International Sikh Convention at the Punjab Governor House, the prime minister denounced the idea of war, saying that he did not believe that war could solve any problem.
“We both are nuclear-armed countries. If these tensions increase, the world could be in danger,” Khan said. He, however, reiterated that Pakistan would never trigger a war.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby KLNMurthy » 03 Sep 2019 19:08

A_Gupta wrote:Towel-throwing in progress by Najam Sethi
https://www.thefridaytimes.com/national-government/

Don't know if it is so much towel throwing as it is a demand for Dimmy to go in favour of a "national government ". Telegraphing of plans by military?

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby KLNMurthy » 03 Sep 2019 19:24

Parasu wrote:The time we spend analysing foreign press is probably disproportionate to their importance.
This of course has Nehruvian, "I need good behaviour certificate from white folk" behaviour.
It is not the government's job to educate every journalist under the sun. In fact, most journalists have their own motivations to write what they do. Irrespective of what the Indian government does, most will peddle the same crap.
The government must focus on Indians. It only needs to explain its positions to us and us alone.
Press, whether desi or phoren is overrated, particularly after the rise of social media. If it was still relevant, neither Trump nor Modi would win so big and frequently.

Maybe it is disproportionate but we can't dismiss the impact of bad publicity in Western media.

Imagine if India were weaker. It is not inconceivable that a color revolution could be unleashed against us.
Or any of a number of potential breaking points could be weaponized.
We were pushed to the brink when India was "oppressing Seeeekhs" in the late 1980s. Also, JP movement in '77 was a color revolution.

Those examples were the consequences of Indira Gandhi's misjudgment and misdeeds. But we can't guarantee that today's leaders will be perfect, and there are playbooks in our enemies' hands to exploit every flaw. Bad media publicity is an element of those playbooks.
Today's relatively strong state is not going to last forever, it is the nature of things.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Rsatchi » 03 Sep 2019 19:27

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... 961390.cms
One more self goal!! :D
No money for Chai/Biskoot but ready to spend on the 'bewigged/besharam QC' :lol:

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Bart S » 03 Sep 2019 20:16

KLNMurthy wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:Towel-throwing in progress by Najam Sethi
https://www.thefridaytimes.com/national-government/

Don't know if it is so much towel throwing as it is a demand for Dimmy to go in favour of a "national government ". Telegraphing of plans by military?


Neither. Sethi is a PMLN guy and is basically espousing the opposition (Bhutto/Zardari, Sharif, Fazl-ur-Rehman etc) demand for relaxing the witch hunt that Dimran has orchestrated so that they can deal with external challenges together.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby pgbhat » 03 Sep 2019 20:31

Bart S wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote:Don't know if it is so much towel throwing as it is a demand for Dimmy to go in favour of a "national government ". Telegraphing of plans by military?


Neither. Sethi is a PMLN guy and is basically espousing the opposition (Bhutto/Zardari, Sharif, Fazl-ur-Rehman etc) demand for relaxing the witch hunt that Dimran has orchestrated so that they can deal with external challenges together.

The guy's Bibi is aligned with Immy in pakjab.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Bart S » 03 Sep 2019 21:30

pgbhat wrote:
Bart S wrote:
Neither. Sethi is a PMLN guy and is basically espousing the opposition (Bhutto/Zardari, Sharif, Fazl-ur-Rehman etc) demand for relaxing the witch hunt that Dimran has orchestrated so that they can deal with external challenges together.

The guy's Bibi is aligned with Immy in pakjab.


Yes, but it is more of an opportunistic thing than any ideological alignment. He has an explanation for it in his latest 'Sethi se Sawaal' as well. He very much remains pro-PMLN and anti-Imran, which is why his show was taken off the air and he is forced to cool his heels in London.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Manu » 04 Sep 2019 01:21

Bart S wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:Towel-throwing in progress by Najam Sethi
https://www.thefridaytimes.com/national-government/


I have wondered often about how TFT is allowed to be published while Sethi and Murtuza Solangi etc who write in it are banned and banished from the airwaves and public life (Sethi seems to be banished to Londonistan currently). Just does not make sense given the critical (of the establishment) tone. My guess is Pa^istan is so far gone (literacy and development wise) that people who can read such a journal are so few and far between, and so inconsequential, that the establishment can't be bothered to take them down.


He hasn't criticized the Miltablishment, only Im The Dim.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby g.sarkar » 04 Sep 2019 01:40

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/b ... 2019-09-03
Busted: Pakistan's ghost martyrs
India Today's Open-Source Investigation has found that Pakistan keeps the losses of its own troops under wraps.
Ankit Kumar, New Delhi, September 3, 2019
Pakistan messed up early on, making a telling claim on February 27 that it had captured two pilots from the dogfight with India.
Its military propaganda chief, Maj-Gen Asif Ghafoor, recanted hours later when the realisation dawned that the second pilot was, in fact, a Pakistani whose F-16 was shot down by Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman.
For Maj-Gen Ghafoor's notorious Inter-Services Public Relations, covering up Pakistani casualties is a routine. But India Today's Open-Source Investigation has cracked open the ISPR's worst-kept secrets.
The probe found how Maj-Gen Ghafoor has miserably failed in covering his own tracks.
Remember, his wing has been issuing historical data, boasting about the martyrdom of Pakistani soldiers on the line of duty.
The data is widely circulated on the ISPR’s social media platforms.
India Today's Open-Source Investigation found a gross mismatch between the Pakistani military's historical statistics and its own media statements that correspond to the period. On August 29, 2017, for instance, the ISPR’s historical record is found to have acknowledged the loss of one Pakistani soldier along the LoC. But the same information is missing from the media statement of the day. It carries no mention of any LoC casualty but a reference to a Pakistani army operation in the Peshawar division. One soldier died at the LoC on August 26, 2016, according to the ISPR's historical data. The Pakistani army issued two statements the same day, but none contained any reference to any losses along the Line of Control, the Open-Source Investigation found.
In yet another instance, the historical record shows a fatal casualty in Siachen on July 29, 2012. But the ISPR released no press statement on that day. Fast forward to 2017. India Today's Open-Source Investigation found glaring mismatches between ISPR historical data its press statements from the corresponding days -- one set admits the casualties, the other misses them out. On every occasion, Pakistan has shied away from acknowledging losses on the day they happened. The "martyrdoms" find mention only in its historical data released years later, the probe discovered.
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https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/e ... 2019-09-03
Ex-Pak envoy Abdul Basit mistakes adult film star for Kashmiri who lost his vision
Former Pakistan High Commissioner to India Abdul Basit retweeted a photo of an adult film star passing it off as a Kashmiri man suffering pellet injuries.
In an embarrassing goof-up former Pakistani High Commissioner to India, Abdul Basit on Monday retweeted a photo of an adult film star while passing it off as a Kashmiri man who lost his vision due to pellet injury.
Pakistan based journalist Naila Inayat tweeted screenshots of the post saying, "Former Pakistani High Commissioner to India Abdul Basit, mistakes Johnny Sins for a Kashmiri man who lost vision from pellet. Unreal times these, really."
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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Guddu » 04 Sep 2019 06:51

I am liking major Arya's talks. All of them are worth a hearing. Here's one.
https://youtu.be/NSpatZslkuk

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Deans » 04 Sep 2019 10:07

Parasu wrote:The time we spend analysing foreign press is probably disproportionate to their importance.
This of course has Nehruvian, "I need good behaviour certificate from white folk" behaviour.
It is not the government's job to educate every journalist under the sun. In fact, most journalists have their own motivations to write what they do. Irrespective of what the Indian government does, most will peddle the same crap.
The government must focus on Indians. It only needs to explain its positions to us and us alone.
Press, whether desi or phoren is overrated, particularly after the rise of social media. If it was still relevant, neither Trump nor Modi would win so big and frequently.


I'm glad someone mentioned this. We are obsessed with what the Western press thinks of us and also give disproportionate importance to the English language media in India, who have a far lesser understanding of India than the vernacular media. To put it in perspective, the combined viewership of
ALL English news channels in India, is under 2 million people weekly (it is 100 times higher for Hindi news channels).
The BBC and their ilk were relevant when the only channel in India was DD.
There is a part of the English speaking elite who is still into self flagellation and sees nothing good in India and gravitate to the likes of the BBC. I think this govt realised in its first term, that their views are neither relevant, not is it worthwhile to try and change them.

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Postby KLNMurthy » 04 Sep 2019 11:14

Bart S wrote:So Hindu fascist RSS Nazi Moodi govt denying medical care to innocent Muslims (according to Bernie Sanders) is expected to supply life saving medicines to Pakistan now?
https://www.geo.tv/latest/246497-pakist ... ed-kashmir

:eek: :oops: :((

Hope GOI makes this is into a massive PR opportunity, but that will likely not happen as it makes too much sense.

You can hope. But I hope you won't expect GoI to tout the news item.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby sanjaykumar » 04 Sep 2019 11:24

Perhaps the average Indian will ask why India is selling life saving pharmaceuticals to Pakistan while the latter sends over killers to India.

Just a thought.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Bart S » 04 Sep 2019 16:16

KLNMurthy wrote:
Bart S wrote:So Hindu fascist RSS Nazi Moodi govt denying medical care to innocent Muslims (according to Bernie Sanders) is expected to supply life saving medicines to Pakistan now?
https://www.geo.tv/latest/246497-pakist ... ed-kashmir

:eek: :oops: :((

Hope GOI makes this is into a massive PR opportunity, but that will likely not happen as it makes too much sense.

You can hope. But I hope you won't expect GoI to tout the news item.


Just like with Balakot and the aftermath, GOI has been good at diplomacy but completely inactive in doing even basic PR. They really need to up their game, and fast. The 1980s style bureaucratic communication methods that they use are woefully inadequate in today's world.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby manjgu » 04 Sep 2019 16:22

we could have suspended kartarpur talks on the sikh girl issue as well... we all know Kartarpur is being planned to fuel terrorism in punjab.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby komal » 04 Sep 2019 16:24

Social media battles are best fought by non-state actors.

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Postby Bart S » 04 Sep 2019 16:39

komal wrote:Social media battles are best fought by non-state actors.


True, we don't expect GOI stakeholders to be engaging Pakis in cheap twitter battles, no need for them to wrestle with the pigs.

However, when countries and vested interest groups opposed to India have weaponized social media and are making organized, coordinated attacks and disinformation campaigns as a form of warfare, just shrugging our shoulders, doing nothing, and leaving it up to unorganized laypersons (who are mostly on the defensive) is not an option or a strategy. India really needs to get on board with the use of information warfare tactics, it is too much to expect the IAS babudom to figure this out so this direction needs to come from somewhere else. A few IPS and IAS officers in Srinagar are waging a lonely battle in countering misinformation, in their personal capacity but a much more coordinated effort is needed.

Also, it isn't just about social media. The GOI's PR machinery is outdated and has missed opportunity after opportunity, to communicate clearly, put out our own narrative (e.g facts on Kashmir), and dismiss Paki nonsense.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Parasu » 04 Sep 2019 17:44

komal wrote:Social media battles are best fought by non-state actors.

Not necessarily. For example, the GoI must build a social media team to counter growing Chinese influence in Africa and build its own image.
Social media is a tool, the same way as any media is.

This is off-topic so no more.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby rsingh » 04 Sep 2019 18:50

I Think we have to buy Kartarpur gurudwara real-estate. Bakistan is in need of money. if Modi can pull this out...........he is hero of Punjabis forever.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Bart S » 04 Sep 2019 20:31

https://www.rt.com/news/467932-pakistan ... ry-mattis/

Pakistan ‘most dangerous country’ in the world with ‘fastest-growing nuclear arsenal,’ says James Mattis

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Postby Peregrine » 04 Sep 2019 22:31

Jim Mattis onPakistan: Most dangerous country I have dealt with : PTI

HIGHLIGHTS

- Mattis said that the "radicalisation" of society and the country's fastest growing nuclear arsenal make Pakistan dangerous.

- By the way, that is also the view of members of the Pakistan military. They realise what they’ve got going on there. They recognise it : Mattis

NEW YORK: Former US secretary of defence Jim Mattis considers Pakistan to be the most dangerous of all the countries he has dealt with, blaming it on the "radicalisation" of its society and the country's fastest-growing nuclear arsenal.

Mattis was speaking at an event on Tuesday at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). He has co-authored the just released book ‘Call Sign Chaos: Learning to Lead'.

CFR President Richard Haass referred to a portion of the book in which Mattis talks about Pakistan, saying “Of all the countries I have dealt with, I consider Pakistan to be the most dangerous.”

When asked by Haass why he believes Pakistan is the most dangerous, Mattis said, "The radicalisation of their society. By the way, that is also the view of members of the Pakistan military. They realise what they've got going on there. They recognise it. It's a very twisted relationship between Pakistan and us.

"But when you take the radicalisation of the society and you add to it the fastest-growing nuclear arsenal I think in the world, you see why one of the points I would make that we need to focus on right now is arms control and non-proliferation efforts. This is a much worse problem, I think, than anyone's writing about today," he said.

Mattis has previously commanded troops in the Persian Gulf, Afghanistan, Iraq and had headed up Central Command.

Answering a question on China, Matti s said the US can find a way to work with China, "but we are going to have to confront China where they are interrupting the universal or the order—the orders of the world where freedom of navigation and all.”

He added that he is “convinced we can find a way to work with China and for there to be peace.

"There doesn't — there are a lot of decisions to be taken, but it's going to take — it's going to take alliances, again. They are trying to gain a veto authority over their neighbours' diplomatic, economic, and security interests. That we have to recognise. They're piling massive debt, as Prime Minister Modi has pointed out, on other nations, and then when those nations can't service the debt they take sovereignty, like over the port in Sri Lanka, ” he said, a reference to Beijing's ambitious Belt and Road Initiative.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby g.sarkar » 05 Sep 2019 00:22

rsingh wrote:I Think we have to buy Kartarpur gurudwara real-estate. Bakistan is in need of money. if Modi can pull this out...........he is hero of Punjabis forever.

Bad idea. Sikhs owned a lot of real-estate in pre-1947 La whore. Remember who owns those now? Pak can not be trusted period. They will break ny deal to get at India.
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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby salaam » 05 Sep 2019 02:45

Latest gem from one of our “liberal” press.

https://twitter.com/pravinsawhney/statu ... 71041?s=21

I apologize to have spoken to @indiatvnews. I don’t watch this channel, had no clue they were doing derogatory show on Pak army. Came to my office, sought bite on Pak Army which I assess to be professional army. Feel Ayesha Siddiqa should have assessed her nation’s army better

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Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby Peregrine » 05 Sep 2019 03:26

MasoodAzhar, Hafiz Saeed declared individual terrorists under new anti-terror law PTI

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- Jaish chief Masood Azhar and LeT founder Hafiz Saeed were declared individual terrorists by the government under a new anti-terror law.

- The decisions have been taken nearly a month after Parliament approved a crucial amendment to The Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Amendment Act, 1967.

NEW DELHI:Jaish-e-Mohammed chief Masood Azhar,Lashkar-e-Taiba founder Hafiz Muhammad Saeed, Mumbai terror attack accused Zaki-ur-Rehman-Lakhvi and fugitive mob boss Dawood Ibrahim were on Wednesday declared individual terrorists by the government under a new anti-terror law.

The decisions have been taken nearly a month after Parliament approved a crucial amendment to The Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Amendment Act, 1967.

They are the first to be declared terrorists under the new anti-law, a home ministry official said.

The ministry cited a series of terror acts in which Pakistan-based Azhar was involved that include attack on the Jammu and Kashmir Assembly complex in 2001, attack on Parliament in 2001, attack on Pathankot air base in 2016 attacks on BSF camp in Srinagar in 2017 and explosion of a CRPF bus at Pulwama on February 14.

It said Azhar was also designated as a global terrorist by the UN under the United Nations Security Council Resolution 1267 on May 1, 2019 and was declared as a proclaimed offender by the special judge (POTA), New Delhi.

"And whereas, the central government believes that Maulana Masood Azhar is involved in terrorism and Maulana Masood Azhar is to be notified as a terrorist under the said Act..., " a home ministry notification said.

On Saeed, the home ministry said he was involved in various attacks including Red Fort in 2000, a CRPF camp in Rampur (Uttar Pradesh), India's worst terror strike in Mumbai in 2008 in which 166 people were killed and the attack on a BSF convoy at Udhampur in Jammu and Kashmir in 2015.

Saeed, also the founder of Jamat-ud-Dawa (JuD), was designated as a global terrorist by the UN under the United Nations Security Council Resolution 1267 on December 10, 2008.

"And whereas, the central government believes that Hafiz Muhammad Saeed is involved in terrorism and Hafiz Muhammad Saeed is to be notified as a terrorist under the said Act...," the notification said.

On LeT commander Lakhvi, the ministry said he was involved in various attacks including Red Fort attack in 2000, Rampur CRPF camp in 2008, Mumbai in 2008 and on a BSF convoy at Udhampur in Jammu and Kashmir.

"And whereas, the central government believes that Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi is involved in terrorism and Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi is to be notified as a terrorist under the said Act," the ministry said.

The LeT was listed as a terrorist organisation under the First Schedule to the Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act, 1967, Lakhvi was designated by the United Nations as a global terrorist under the United Nations Security Council Resolution 1267 on the 10th December, 2008.

The ministry said Dawood runs an international underworld crime syndicate and is involved in perpetrating acts of terror, promoting religious fundamentalism, terror financing, arms smuggling, circulation of counterfeit currency, money laundering, narcotics, extortion and benami real estate business in India and abroad.

He was also involved in assassination attempts on prominent personalities to create social disharmony and terrorise common man.

Dawood was designated as a global terrorist by the UN under the United Nations Security Council Resolution 1267 and he is listed in alQaida sanction list on November 3, 2003 and the United Nations Security Council had also issued a special notice in his name on April 6, 2006.

Islamic State of Iraq and Levant and al-Qaida Sanction Committee of United Nations Security Council had listed Dawood for participating in the financing, planning, facilitating, preparing or perpetrating of acts or activities by, in or in support of, supplying, selling or transferring arms and related material or otherwise supporting acts or activities of Osama bin Laden, al-Qaida and the Taliban.

It also said Dawood executed a series of bomb blasts along with his associates in Mumbai in March 1993, which resulted in deaths of 257 people and injured over 1000 others apart from destruction of properties on a massive scale.

"And whereas, the central government believes that Dawood Ibrahim Kaskar is involved in terrorism and Dawood Ibrahim Kaskar is to be notified as a terrorist under the said Act, " it said.
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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby SSridhar » 05 Sep 2019 05:05

salaam wrote:Latest gem from one of our “liberal” press.

https://twitter.com/pravinsawhney/statu ... 71041?s=21

I apologize to have spoken to @indiatvnews. I don’t watch this channel, had no clue they were doing derogatory show on Pak army. Came to my office, sought bite on Pak Army which I assess to be professional army. Feel Ayesha Siddiqa should have assessed her nation’s army better

What is the context ? What did Pravin Sawhney & Ayesha Siddiqa say?

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby A_Gupta » 05 Sep 2019 06:20

^^^ Dunno. But Pravin Sawhney had tweeted this
https://twitter.com/PravinSawhney/statu ... 20448?s=20
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When I was growing up had Muslim friends. A friend who is no more was Mohamad Aslam-I could talk freely with his mom & sisters, never felt we were different. My dad worked in Lahore, despite tragedies which were on both sides, spoke fondly of Pak friends. Wish old times come back https://twitter.com/sonaliranade/status ... 9905532930

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby rohithome » 05 Sep 2019 06:53

Pravin Sawhney being friends ( muslims or non-muslims ) from any country is not a problem. But writing books with titles such as these : "Why India can't defeat pakistan or china in a war" and "What if India finds itself involved in a two front war with China and Pakistan" seems to display a strong defeatist attitude and pride in propagation of such thoughts. These could have been titled and written with more thought such as "Game theory application of war scenarios and strategies to break up pakistan" and "Strategy to capture Xinjiang along with Pakistan occupied Kashmir" would have proven more popular and useful in India.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby VikramA » 05 Sep 2019 07:17

^^^ this phenomenon is known as 'mera pind, mera lahore ' syndrome. most self declared liberal elites based in north india and new delhi including bureaucrats in 70's,80's,90's had this problem.thankfully no more.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Postby krithivas » 05 Sep 2019 07:31

Notice the demand in USD.

No final pact on Kartarpur yet as Pakistan want $20 fee-per-pilgrim
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 984687.cms


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