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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 16 Sep 2019 23:18
by habal
It seems americans have assured pakistan that they will not come under fatf blacklist in October and they will somehow or the other continue in grey list. This is what Trump assured them before he called off talks with taliban. Now with change in circumstance it seems all bets are off. Pakistanis feel Trump will unleash Modi on them to force them to behave and thus the war hysteria ?

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 16 Sep 2019 23:22
by darshan
Handling of Houston, TX meet may tell the tale.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 16 Sep 2019 23:22
by sudeepj
g.sarkar wrote:https://tribune.com.pk/story/2057377/1-islamabad-refuses-backdoor-talks-new-delhi/
Islamabad refuses backdoor talks with New Delhi
By Kamran YousafPublished: September 16, 2019
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has refused to engage in backdoor diplomacy with India after some powerful countries as well as certain Muslim states sought de-escalation in the brewing tensions between the two nuclear-armed neighbours over Kashmir. Prime Minister Imran Khan was also requested to tone down his verbal attacks on his Indian counterpart Narendra Modi in which he equated him with Adolf Hitler.
However, Pakistan has turned down the requests and made it clear that it would only engage with India through quiet or conventional diplomacy after New Delhi was persuaded to meet certain conditions, officials privy to the development told
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Gautam


So basically, they will continue with their policy of terror spectaculars and jihad-ism till something gives. India and Indian Army will not give. The dhoti shiver is to prepare their populace to raise a caterwaul of victimhood, when they attack, and we inevitably respond.

Our response should be to make it clear that our response will be so heavy that the continuing of the existing polity in Pindi-Slamabad will become impossible.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 16 Sep 2019 23:24
by sudeepj
darshan wrote:Handling of Houston, TX meet may tell the tale.


I am hearing Trump is going to come to the event himself. With Trump, we never know, but if he does come, it will be an epochal moment in declaring that Indian Americans have arrived in American politics and must be courted by politicians the same way they have courted other communities such as the Irish, Cubans etc. Right now, democratic policy is in a direction diametrically opposed. This must change.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 16 Sep 2019 23:30
by mappunni
I am hearing Trump is going to come to the event himself. With Trump, we never know, but if he does come, it will be an epochal moment in declaring that Indian Americans have arrived in American politics and must be courted by politicians the same way they have courted other communities such as the Irish, Cubans etc. Right now, democratic policy is in a direction diametrically opposed. This must change.


DemoCraps have turned over the party to Islamist and communist. They won't change. Tulsi is in wrong party.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 17 Sep 2019 00:43
by Mort Walker
mappunni wrote:
I am hearing Trump is going to come to the event himself. With Trump, we never know, but if he does come, it will be an epochal moment in declaring that Indian Americans have arrived in American politics and must be courted by politicians the same way they have courted other communities such as the Irish, Cubans etc. Right now, democratic policy is in a direction diametrically opposed. This must change.


DemoCraps have turned over the party to Islamist and communist. They won't change. Tulsi is in wrong party.


Correct. They have become the urban naxal party of America.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 17 Sep 2019 02:02
by Bart S
Even if you are not a connoisseur of Paxtan's national anthems/songs, please please click this link and play the version in that tweet :rotfl:

https://twitter.com/TahaSSiddiqui/statu ... 4478724096

And if someone knows to download videos off of twitter please download and save it before it disappears.

And for good measure, here is the link to another Pakistan-related classic, 'Pakistani Saturday Night' :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJHMjPgva_w

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 17 Sep 2019 03:35
by jash_p
I am hearing Trump is going to come to the event himself. With Trump, we never know, but if he does come, it will be an epochal moment in declaring that Indian Americans have arrived in American politics and must be courted by politicians the same way they have courted other communities such as the Irish, Cubans etc. Right now, democratic policy is in a direction diametrically opposed. This must change.

Today morning was reading dawn and scan news there was one heading was of that trump is going to modis jalsha, my wife called breakfast is ready so went for it and thought after breakfast I will read public comment. When came back the news was gone from dawn. Scan other few Paki papers could not find that news. Looks gafoora must have ordered all papers to remove this news as it is too depressing and murd e momin jawan if reads this there will be suicide of unprecedented proportion.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 17 Sep 2019 03:38
by Bart S
darshan wrote:Handling of Houston, TX meet may tell the tale.


Isn't Houston one of those places in the US that are infested by Pakis? If so they will try to raise a stink with the usual protests etc.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 17 Sep 2019 03:53
by darshan
Bart S wrote:
darshan wrote:Handling of Houston, TX meet may tell the tale.


Isn't Houston one of those places in the US that are infested by Pakis? If so they will try to raise a stink with the usual protests etc.

Yes, along with Sheila Jackson Lee who heads paki caucus and is out of Houston. Tons of pakis and many other islamists all over Texas and surrounding states. All islamic goon organizations were already fired up with Modi alone. Now potentially add Trump to the mix. Hoping all Dharmic Indians that can show up will show up.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 17 Sep 2019 04:42
by schinnas
This is a ticketed event and I am sure some background check will be done before issuing tickets. But showing placards by rowdy elements on the roadside is always possible.

Instead of courting liberal press, Modi has poked a finger in their eyes by inviting and likely hugging Trump, their here noir. Lol.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 17 Sep 2019 05:22
by g.sarkar
Bart S wrote:
darshan wrote:Handling of Houston, TX meet may tell the tale.

Isn't Houston one of those places in the US that are infested by Pakis? If so they will try to raise a stink with the usual protests etc.

If DT comes, no jihadi of any color will be allowed within 100 miles. The secret service will catch them by their family jewels and throw them out of the perimeter. Those coming in will have to go through a body cavity search for the privilege.
Gautam

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 17 Sep 2019 05:34
by jrjrao
Terroristan is wanting a nuisance sideshow during the Houston event, and has let it be known that they will have over 10,000 Pakisatanis chanting satanic verses during the Houston event. Dozens of buses being planned from Dallas and Austin. Unfortunately, they are being joined by some misguided local Khalistanis.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 17 Sep 2019 05:47
by jrjrao
Just to clarify, as Schinnas mentioned above, this is a ticketed event and the 50,000 tickets were snapped up by organizations and people very quickly. Not much chance that there will be pollution inside the event, but Pakisatanis will try to create a ruckus outside. But if these vermin think that they can be like Londonstani rowdies at this event, well, Houston and Texas law enforcement will have something to say about that.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 17 Sep 2019 05:55
by Mort Walker
jrjrao wrote:Terroristan is wanting a nuisance sideshow during the Houston event, and has let it be known that they will have over 10,000 Pakisatanis chanting satanic verses during the Houston event. Dozens of buses being planned from Dallas and Austin. Unfortunately, they are being joined by some misguided local Khalistanis.

Narendra-Modi-visits-draws-protesters-in-Houston


Need to invite the MAGA crowd and have them bring their AR-15s. The jihadis will have fun in Texas which is an open carry state.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 17 Sep 2019 08:50
by Ravi Karumanchiri
Mort Walker wrote:
mappunni wrote:
DemoCraps have turned over the party to Islamist and communist. They won't change. Tulsi is in wrong party.


Correct. They have become the urban naxal party of America.




Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 17 Sep 2019 13:15
by Peregrine
PM Imran offers full support to Saudi Arabia after attack on oil facilities - News Desk/Reuters
Prime Minister Imran Khan telephoned Saudi Crown Prince and Defence Minister Mohammed bin Salman bin Abdulaziz and discussed bilateral and regional matters with special focus on drone attacks on Saudi Arabia’s oil facilities last week, Radio Pakistan reported.
During the telephone conversation, the premier offered Pakistan’s full support and capabilities to the kingdom following the attack.
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Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 17 Sep 2019 13:48
by Peregrine
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Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 17 Sep 2019 14:24
by Peregrine
X Posted on the India-US relations: News and Discussions IVThread

'Howdy, Modi': Trump stuns Pak with thumbs up for PM's Houston rally - Chidanand Rajghatta

HIGHLIGHTS

- The US gesture comes amid a virulent and abusive campaign by Islamabad against PM Modi over the Kashmir issue

- The reaction from Pakistan was stunned disbelief. “Is this for real or is it propaganda?” asked one prominent analyst

- Outside of its salience in the US exit from Afghanistan, Washington does not have any equities in Pakistan


WASHINGTON: The United States on Sunday delivered a devastating snub to Pakistan by announcing that President Trump will attend a rally in Houston next Sunday with Prime Minister Narendra Modi. The US gesture comes amid a virulent and abusive campaign by Islamabad against the Indian PM in its efforts to highlight theKashmir issue. Unmindful of criticism from liberal quarters about the human rights and civil liberties situation in the Muslim majority and insurgency stricken Kashmir Valley, and ignoring Pakistan’s hate campaign, the Trump White House has chosen to engage Modi is a format that is unprecedented in modern diplomatic history – a large public rally on its home turf. With many US lawmakers from both political parties slated to attend the rally in a 50,000-capacity stadium, Pakistan is learning that common values and business ties is trumping its efforts to paint a dark and cataclysmic picture of the Kashmir situation.

The White House announcement was met with withering criticism and sarcasm in liberal quarters that sees Trump and Modi as fellow travelers on a global diplomatic circuit that includes Israel’s Benjamin Netanyahu and Britain’s Boris Johnson among others. “I don’t know what’s more embarrassing - That Modi will appear beside Trump or that Trump will appear beside Modi. Both countries have my condolences,” tweeted historian Audrey Truschke, a critic of the Indian right wing. And from Karti Chidambaram, currently in the financial enforcement crosshairs in India: “Modi Bhakts and Trump Rednecks. Made for each other ... The only thing that won’t be in common is the diet. “Pure Vegetarian” v “Medium Rare Steaks””

The reaction from Pakistan was stunned disbelief. “Is this for real or is it propaganda?” asked one prominent analyst, even as commentators tried to make sense of how a President who offered to mediate on the Kashmir issue and hosted Imran Khan for talks at the White House only a few weeks ago could meet with a leader who is uncompromising in his view that Kashmir is a bilateral issue and India will not negotiate with a gun to its head, until Pakistan rolls up its terror apparatus and brings the perpetrators of terror attacks against India justice.

The short answer for Trump’s engagement with India, according to diplomats, is business and trade deficit with India, along with unwavering US view of a key role for New Delhi in the Asia Pacific region. Pakistan apparently is yet to reconcile to the idea that the Kashmir issue has been subsumed in this new US policy for South Asia and Asia Pacific. Outside of its salience in the US exit from Afghanistan, Washington does not have any equities in Pakistan.

Pakistan’s Prime Minister Imran Khan has come unhinged in recent dayswarning in recent days at public rallies and in interviews that the region could spiral into a nuclear war if the world did not pay heed to Islamabad’s version of the Kashmir issue that centers on its claim to the territory because it is a Muslim majority region. New Delhi accuses Pakistan of igniting passions and insurgency in the region through infiltration of terrorists and sponsorship of separatist terror groups.

In some of the most toxic rhetoric to emerge from Pakistan following its 72- year old separation from India, Khan and his cohorts have compared Modi to Hitler and the purported ideology of the BJP and RSS to Nazism and fascism, with overwrought talk of an ongoing or imminent genocide of Muslims in Kashmir and across India. New Delhi has treated Pakistani histrionics with contempt while busily engaging the global community, which has also largely ignored Islamabad’s lament for the Kashmiris given its own dismal treatment of minorities at home. In fact, an Indian counter campaign now seems underway to highlight Pakistan's treatment of Baloch, Ahmadis, Sindhis, Pashtuns and other disaffected communities in Pakistan.

The fact that it stands thoroughly isolated, including in the Muslim world, does not appear to have sunk into Pakistani establishment which is busy telling its citizens that Islamabad has the support of and is building alliances with countries such as Iran, Turkey, Malaysia, Russia, and of course, its patron China.

What is apparently galling for Pakistan is that Trump has agreed to appear with Modi even as Imran Khan has raised the pitch the Kashmir issue and warned that he will be banging on the doors of the United Nations next week seeking global intervention. Modi will also be in New York at the same time.

In fact, Islamabad has been gearing up the Pakistani community in the US and making cause with other anti-India groups such as separatist “Khalistanis” to stage demonstrations in Houston and New York in an effort to highlight its Kashmir claim during the Modi visit.

Islamabad had recently commandeered the Pakistani American community for a rally in Washington DC in July during Imran Khan's visit in an effort to showcase its diaspora the way Modi has done twice in New York and San Francisco over the past five years. But the Houston show is expected to put everything else in shade.

Houston also has a strong Pakistani community. In fact, when Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) bought the extended range Boeing 777 more than a decade ago, the first route planned was Karachi-Houston non-stop. But terrorist attacks on US soil by expat Pakistanis and terrorists captured in Pakistan scuppered that. PIA now has to make a stop in Manchester or Birmingham in UK for security reasons — euphemistically dubbed “refueling stop” — before flying to the US.

In Video: Devastating snub to Pakistan: President Trump to join ‘Howdy, Modi

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 17 Sep 2019 15:15
by Sanju
Prem wrote:

Prem ji,
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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 17 Sep 2019 18:53
by Rsatchi
Bart S wrote:Even if you are not a connoisseur of Paxtan's national anthems/songs, please please click this link and play the version in that tweet :rotfl:

https://twitter.com/TahaSSiddiqui/statu ... 4478724096

And if someone knows to download videos off of twitter please download and save it before it disappears.

And for good measure, here is the link to another Pakistan-related classic, 'Pakistani Saturday Night' :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJHMjPgva_w
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
This is hilarious!!
Bartji we need A Hindi/Bollywood version of TSP takedown ASAP as mood-elevators :D for BRF hombres and intense kujli for the TFTA :lol: :lol:

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 17 Sep 2019 21:45
by kancha
Shared some thoughts on current meltdown in Pakistan on account of the abrogation of Article 370.

Blog Link
Twitter Link

On Pakistan’s Kashmir Conundrum – Part II (Running to Stand Still!)

One thing is crystal clear- there seems to be no end to the rabble rousing rhetoric from Paki side The crowning glory came just last Friday, with the Beggar-in-Chief giving away his intentions in advance by sounding out his bhookha nanga masses to cross the LoC ‘on his signal’!

I’ll come to that in a while.

There are other things to be discussed before that. Social Media has been abuzz lately with one ‘prominent’ Paki after another letting out one verbal fart after another, led all the way by the Propagandu-in-Chief himself. (Do visit his twitter handle, btw!)

Now before someone comes after me for not mentioning the Beggar-in-Chief Kaptaan Imran Saheb, let me ask you to read the previous tweet again!

Ghafoor is the one leading the campaign. Have no doubts about it!

In any case, ‘Kaptaan’ is far far lower in the pecking order when compared to a General, and that too when the said General is Shri Propagandu-in-Chief himself!

But this begets another question – Why in the world are they so hell bent on making such fools of themselves, hainji?

There could be two reasons for this. Either they REALLY think that they can get Kashmir this time round.

Or

They are trying to prevent their masses from asking other, more ‘pressing’ question. Questions regarding the shit-hole that their country is rapidly becoming.

A rational person would gravitate towards assuming it is the second reason why they keep shouting ‘Hai Kashmir Le Gaya Modi’!

But then, no one ever accused Paki Fauj of being rational, no? :rotfl:



And then is the small issue of Afghanistan. Hmmm .. yet another superpower that was very nearly on the verge of ‘defeat’ at the hands of the great Paki Brown Pants suddenly announced a change in plans regarding moving out of Afghanistan!

The announcement by Shri Donald was nothing short of a KLPD for the brown pants. Not only had the superpower refused to grant the much awaited victory to the brown pants, but it had also complicated their plans of diverting taliban cannon fodder into Kashmir.

THIS was a major problem, one that has never been publicly acknowledged, though.

And then, Shri Osama bin Laden’s son was dispatched by the US where else, but inside Pakistan itself, just like his martyred father!

This is not a very good time to be a Paki, I tell you!


Bottomline – they are number 1 in the propagandu world in believing that they are number 1 in the propagandu world!

But all that they have achieved so far is that they have been running to stand still!

No one in this world has time for this beggar of a nation!

Heck, even as the Beggar-in-Chief kept crying ‘Hai Hai Modi Kashmir Le Gaya’, Trump announced he will be sharing a stage with Modi!

And .. behind the scenes .. they dispatched a team to Bangkok some days ago.

No, you dirty minded ones, it was not the ‘usual’ itinerary this time! This time, they had to make time from their ‘busy Bangkok schedules’ to prostrate themselves before the FATF folks!

Guess the rod was in the other hand this time!


Well, because once they stop shouting, their own yahoos will start asking what did all this achieve. I kid you not! Heck, the hashtag #GetLostTraitorNiazi is already doing rounds on Paki twitterscape!

Who is Niazi, you asked?

Well, this Niazi is Shri Imran Ahmed Khan Niazi!

There was an AAK Niazi who lost East Pakistan in 1971, and now here is an IAK Niazi who is already being accused of having lost Kashmir in 2019!

And you think he will stop crying himself hoarse?


But jokes apart, what happens after the UNGA is the FATF decision. That is expected in Oct or Nov.

THIS, folks, is the thing to wait for.

On that note, let me offer you a conspiracy theory. This recent increase of import duty on Malaysian refined palm oil is atleast partially attributable to the fact that Malaysia continues to support Pakistan in FATF, along with China and Turkey.


This war mongering from Pakis of all hues will continue. I doubt there is any other country where the head of the govt himself threatens nuclear war atleast twice a day and thrice at night!

Welcome to Naya Pakistan, folks!

But do brace yourselves for yet another act of self destructive lunacy that they will bring upon themselves, and us, aka 1965, 1971, 1999.

That’s it for the time being. Do remember we are in the midst of the 54th anniversary of 1965 war this month.

PS: Pakis won that war!

Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 18 Sep 2019 00:58
by Peregrine
India is changing game for China & Pakistan in IOK

RAWALPINDI: The US-China trade war has provided Indian Prime Minister Modi with an opportunity he couldn’t refuse: to change the game in Kashmir for China and Pakistan.

Back in August New Delhi terminated Article 370 of the Constitution, asserting its power in the disputed Kashmir region. This week, India called on China and Pakistan to suspend activities related to the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) in Azad Kashmir. “We reject the reference to Jammu and Kashmir in the joint statement issued by China and Pakistan after the recent visit of Chinese Foreign Minister,” Ministry of External Affairs spokesperson Raveesh Kumar is quoted as saying in Hindu. “India has consistently expressed concerns to both China and Pakistan on the projects in China-Pakistan Economic Corridor in Kashmir.”

Pakistan and China desperately need CPEC. For Pakistan, CPEC is the express ticket to building its infrastructure, and sustain economic growth. For China, CPEC is the express link between Western China, the Middle East, and Africa, where China has growing interests. That can explain why Beijing has committed $46 billion to the project.

The problem is that CPEC passes through Pakistani regions claimed by India. That makes it a bumpy road, to say the least -- Pakistan and India continue to fight for control of these regions. That’s why CPEC activities are moving slowly in the region. “So far CPEC activity in Pakistan occupied Kashmir has been limited to reconstruction and maintenance of the Karakoram Highway, which was built in the 60s,” says Ted Bauman, Senior Research Analyst and Economist at Banyan Hill Publishing. “But India has objected strenuously to new construction projects, including railways and pipelines. The problem for China is that the only other feasible route for road, rail and pipeline connections to Pakistan and its ports would be through Afghanistan's Badakhshan pedicle. Afghanistan's political instability and diplomatic alliance with India and the United States currently make that impossible.”

But India’s recent moves in Kashmir could spoil the plans of both countries, especially for China, which has multiple border disputes with India. “China is probably testing the waters with its recent reference to Jammu and Kashmir in the context of its CPEC project with Pakistan,” says Bauman. “It's notable that China is taking a gradual approach here. China has been quite aggressive in the South China Sea, but the Himalayas is a different story.”

Why? “Because in addition to the dispute with Pakistan over Kashmir, India also disputes Chinese sovereignty in several parcels on their mutual border, including the Aksai Chin region adjacent to Kashmir and Arunachal Pradesh on the Tibetan border. Consequently, the Chinese and Indian governments have a respectful relationship, but they are keenly aware of the risk of any escalation.”

Besides, China cannot “bully” India, the way it bullies smaller nations in southeast Asia. “In this case, whereas China has been able to bully the smaller nations of southeast Asia, it is unlikely to succeed in intimidating India,” explains Bauman. “Not only is India a large nuclear power, it is an economic competitor, especially as Western manufacturers shift supply chains out of China as a result of US trade sanctions.”

That’s why China should appease rather than confront India. “The Chinese government knows that proceeding with significant infrastructural developments in the Pakistan controlled part of Kashmir would lead to significant conflict with India, possibly even including a suspension of diplomatic relations,” Bauman concludes. “An escalation of conflict in the region would also lead to blowback effects on China via its impact on the global economy. That leads me to believe that China is unlikely to press the matter at this point.”

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Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 18 Sep 2019 02:03
by Peregrine
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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 18 Sep 2019 02:42
by Mort Walker


As it should be. The organizers are smart enough to know that they must appear to be impartial just as the US appears to be when meeting politicians in India. However, we all know the Democratic party is one that supports the rise of Islamists in the last few years. Much like the Congress party of India which provides talking points for the Paki government.

Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 18 Sep 2019 03:51
by Peregrine
‘Kashmir won’t be major topic in PM Narendra Modi -XiJinping talks’ - Saibal Dasgupta

HIGHLIGHTS

- PM Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping will meet in the coming weeks

- Kashmir would not be a "major topic" during the discussions between the two leaders

= The two leaders are expected to hold an informal meeting, without aides, in October


BEIJING: Although China has recently dragged the Kashmir issue to the United Nations, it will not be a “major topic” during the discussions between PM Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping when they meet in India in the coming weeks, a senior Chinese official said here on Tuesday.

Though the dates have not yet been finalised, the two leaders are expected to hold an informal meeting, without aides, in October.

Modi-Xi will concentrate on strategic issues

As seen during their informal summit in Wuhan last year, the two leaders will concentrate on larger strategic matters instead of focusing on one or two specific issues, Hua Chunying, Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson said. The leaders will discuss “those issues of strategic thinking of broad sense of the picture,” Hua said. “I think for those things like Kashmir, I don’t think it will be a major topic occupying the talks… that is my understanding. They will be free to talk on whatever they like, that is my understanding,” she said.

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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 18 Sep 2019 05:43
by sum
I am loving this khujli being given to TSP. The day of reckoning is not too far I feel since TSP will not be able to contain its itchy fingers with such Modi mindgames and will do something stupid:

India vows to have 'physical jurisdiction' over PoK

“Our position on PoK (Pakistan Occupied Kashmir) has always been and will always be very clear. (The) PoK is part of India and we expect one day that we will have the physical jurisdiction over it,” said Jaishankar

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 18 Sep 2019 06:21
by Guddu
We need to have some betting futures as to when India will make its move in POK. Question is will it be in this term, or the next term of Modiji. India needs to stabilize the situation in Kashmir first, then create the necessary ground swell of movement in POK to join India. India also needs to complete some critical arms purchases, for these reasons I think India will act in Modi's next term.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 18 Sep 2019 07:10
by anishns
Guddu wrote:We need to have some betting futures as to when India will make its move in POK. Question is will it be in this term, or the next term of Modiji. India needs to stabilize the situation in Kashmir first, then create the necessary ground swell of movement in POK to join India. India also needs to complete some critical arms purchases, for these reasons I think India will act in Modi's next term.


All fine and dandy....but what will we do with the rabid fundamentalist islamized pa~jabis that will come along? :((

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 18 Sep 2019 09:17
by abhijitm
Guddu wrote:We need to have some betting futures as to when India will make its move in POK. Question is will it be in this term, or the next term of Modiji. India needs to stabilize the situation in Kashmir first, then create the necessary ground swell of movement in POK to join India. India also needs to complete some critical arms purchases, for these reasons I think India will act in Modi's next term.

There is one catch though. If we throw out pak army from pok and have physical control over entire kashmir then we are bound by UN resolution to conduct plebiscite in kashmir.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 18 Sep 2019 09:32
by yensoy
^^^^ We won't have entire control of Kashmir till the Chinese retain Aksai Chin & Shaksgam valley. Anyway, the UN resolutions are old hat - if and when we get to the stage of taking over PoK militarily, our national strength will be sufficient to handle UN irritants.

Meanwhile I don't think we should be making any immediate moves in PoK besides staking our claims and keeping LoC hot - we need to work on fixing our economy first so we have an even wider growth differential with the Pakis.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 18 Sep 2019 09:34
by SSridhar
abhijitm wrote:
Guddu wrote:We need to have some betting futures as to when India will make its move in POK. Question is will it be in this term, or the next term of Modiji. India needs to stabilize the situation in Kashmir first, then create the necessary ground swell of movement in POK to join India. India also needs to complete some critical arms purchases, for these reasons I think India will act in Modi's next term.

There is one catch though. If we throw out pak army from pok and have physical control over entire kashmir then we are bound by UN resolution to conduct plebiscite in kashmir.

No, the UN Resolution is valid only when Pakistan withdraws on its own volition all its armed forces, terrorists and planted non-Kashmiri citizens and hands over J&K in the pristine pre-1947 October 26th state to India. If India evicts these guys, then the UNSC Resolution doesn't hold good.

In fact, at that point, the UN Resolution is dead and buried forever.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 18 Sep 2019 09:40
by Vivek K
For a plebiscite, China needs to hand over its occupied territory to India. Not happening!

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 18 Sep 2019 09:41
by venkat_r
Yes UN resolutions and plebiscite would be moot at that point.

Also the focus should be on breaking Pakistan into smaller entities and India taking over POK, other pieces would either be independent or join other neighbors- so Pakistan as we know it would not exist. For now the policy should be to keep it on simmer and wait for the stars to align and get some plan for the end game on the scenarios and see if we can get some meeting of the minds.

Even if a very small % of the population is strongly behind that, would be enough to start moving the pieces.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 18 Sep 2019 11:15
by abhijitm
SSridhar wrote:
abhijitm wrote:There is one catch though. If we throw out pak army from pok and have physical control over entire kashmir then we are bound by UN resolution to conduct plebiscite in kashmir.

No, the UN Resolution is valid only when Pakistan withdraws on its own volition all its armed forces, terrorists and planted non-Kashmiri citizens and hands over J&K in the pristine pre-1947 October 26th state to India. If India evicts these guys, then the UNSC Resolution doesn't hold good.

In fact, at that point, the UN Resolution is dead and buried forever.

I am not a legal expert and i am sure GoI must have plan in place. I read the resolution 47 and yes it talks about pak withdrawing from j&k on its own. And here is my concern over technicality. If we have to get PoK back then pak has to surrender. At the fag end of the war if pak realize they can no longer in position to battle, at that time they can declare surrender and withdrawl from pok. That "technically" fulfills the first condition of resolution 47.

Or we can argue that technically pak surrender cannot satisfy the first condition as it was forced upon them by indian army?

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 18 Sep 2019 11:20
by abhijitm
Oh wait a min. We have alrready conducted election in j&k that moots any resolution speaking about plebiscite, correct?

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 18 Sep 2019 11:22
by mmasand
abhijitm wrote:There is one catch though. If we throw out pak army from pok and have physical control over entire kashmir then we are bound by UN resolution to conduct plebiscite in kashmir.


The UN resolution is dead, both the Lahore and Simla agreement superseded any previous agreements. The issue is purely bilateral - period.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 18 Sep 2019 11:28
by vimal
Hamarey Pass Atomic War Ke Illawa Koi Gunjaish Nahi!

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 18 Sep 2019 11:28
by abhijitm
mmasand wrote:
abhijitm wrote:There is one catch though. If we throw out pak army from pok and have physical control over entire kashmir then we are bound by UN resolution to conduct plebiscite in kashmir.


The UN resolution is dead, both the Lahore and Simla agreement superseded any previous agreements. The issue is purely bilateral - period.

Simla agreement talks about both parties should not unilaterally alter the LOC. Our action in pok will break the agreement and it might take us back to UN resolution. See this para from simla agreement:
"In Jammu and Kashmir, the line of control resulting from the cease-fire of December 17, 1971 shall be respected by both sides without prejudice to the recognized position of either side. Neither side shall seek to alter it unilaterally, irrespective of mutual differences and legal interpretations. Both sides further undertake to refrain from the threat or the use of force in violation of this Line."

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 18 Sep 2019 11:32
by vimal
I think Pakis broke that already when they did the Kargil misadventure so nothing applies to us also.