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Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 08 Aug 2019 12:02
by Anujan
Remember the US delegation that visited and Pakis promised they will raise the "cashmere issue" loudly?

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2030554/1- ... e-economy/

The United States has urged Pakistan to expand Financial Action Task Force (FATF) safeguards to informal sectors of economy amid its concerns over slow progress on implementation of 27-point Financial Action Plan.

The US delegation that is in the town for an on-ground assessment of implementation on the 27-point Action Plan of the FATF met on Wednesday with Federal Minister Hammad Azhar who is also a coordinator on FATF affairs from the civilian side.


Seems the delegation raised the "merely cash" issue :rotfl:

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 08 Aug 2019 12:26
by mmasand
Laal Topi has put out a video of a round plump like object propagating Jeeehad against Yindoos on twitter. I really think BRF owe it to him to crowfund a gym membership, or the very least some skipping ropes to make it easy for him to trek the hilly terrain.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 08 Aug 2019 15:05
by ArjunPandit
mmasand wrote:Laal Topi has put out a video of a round plump like object propagating Jeeehad against Yindoos on twitter. I really think BRF owe it to him to crowfund a gym membership, or the very least some skipping ropes to make it easy for him to trek the hilly terrain.

i thought he'll cross the border on a flying donkey/mule....

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 08 Aug 2019 15:05
by SSridhar
Anujan wrote:Seems the delegation raised the "merely cash" issue

Terrific, as usual, Anujan ji.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 08 Aug 2019 15:07
by SSridhar
Terroristan has begun to close down air corridors again, this time only for Indian carriers.

Pakistan closes three air routes for Indian carriers
Amid rising tension between India and Pakistan over the revocation of Article 370 of the Constitution ending special status to Jammu and Kashmir, Islamabad has closed down three out of nine air routes for Indian carriers.

The move, second this year, would affect national carrier Air India's flights going to Europe, the US, and Middle East among others.

Flying time of around 50 flights will increase by about 10-15 minutes.


"The major route which we use for our long haul flights are still open and hence the impact is not much right now but we have got initial inputs that the remaining air routes will be shut.

"The impact will be huge as flying time for our ultra long haul flights using Pakistani airspace would increase by 2-3 hours," a senior Air India official told IANS.

The current closure of air space is being seen as retaliation by Pakistan to India's decision on Article 370.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 08 Aug 2019 15:31
by yensoy
SSridhar wrote:Terroristan has begun to close down air corridors again, this time only for Indian carriers.


This can't work in isolation. We can close air corridors on our side to all traffic, or refuse to handoff to the Paki controllers. We can't let 3rd parties go through while we are block from these routes.

More importantly, Pakis had some kind of justification after Balakot - we did a military operation in their airspace and they were somewhat justified in regulating air traffic. But this time around, there is no such provocation. Everyone, starting with IMF, is going to ask them how they plan to make up for forex losses. All sorts of traffic is going to be affected, including key routes between Eastern China/SE Asia/Australia and Europe, not just Indian routes (which are also in plenty).

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 08 Aug 2019 15:50
by mmasand
There is no restriction on Indian carriers flying in their airspace, it's a mere route alteration. Certain waypoints have been closed that largely only affect flights out of Amritsar as far as flights to India are concerned.

Also, there is a flight level restriction above Lahore FIR. Expect a missile test, maybe a few CAP's in the near future.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 08 Aug 2019 16:17
by Bart S
SSridhar wrote:Terroristan has begun to close down air corridors again, this time only for Indian carriers.

Pakistan closes three air routes for Indian carriers
Amid rising tension between India and Pakistan over the revocation of Article 370 of the Constitution ending special status to Jammu and Kashmir, Islamabad has closed down three out of nine air routes for Indian carriers.

The move, second this year, would affect national carrier Air India's flights going to Europe, the US, and Middle East among others.

Flying time of around 50 flights will increase by about 10-15 minutes.


"The major route which we use for our long haul flights are still open and hence the impact is not much right now but we have got initial inputs that the remaining air routes will be shut.

"The impact will be huge as flying time for our ultra long haul flights using Pakistani airspace would increase by 2-3 hours," a senior Air India official told IANS.


The current closure of air space is being seen as retaliation by Pakistan to India's decision on Article 370.


Why is this 'senior Air India official' making veiled threats on behalf of Pakis? Or is this made up by TOIlet?

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 08 Aug 2019 16:41
by Aditya_V
https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscroll/pakistan-suspends-samjhauta-express-train-service/1592771

"Till I am Railways minister, Samjhauta Express train service will not operate," he said, adding that the bogies of the train will now be used for passengers travelling on the occasion of Eid.


"The next three to four months are very important. War can happen, but we do not want a war. If war is waged on us, it will be the last one," the railways minister warned.


I hope these words come true and Pakistan is split up into 3-4 entities and Pakistan ceases to exist.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 08 Aug 2019 16:54
by yensoy
mmasand wrote:There is no restriction on Indian carriers flying in their airspace, it's a mere route alteration. Certain waypoints have been closed that largely only affect flights out of Amritsar as far as flights to India are concerned.

Also, there is a flight level restriction above Lahore FIR. Expect a missile test, maybe a few CAP's in the near future.


This is so awesome because for the first time in a while Pakis will be on the defensive prowl while we will be like "why're you getting your undies in a knot man?". Clearly a face saver for the Paki administration which doesn't have the funds to actually undertake any action.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 08 Aug 2019 17:51
by chetak
in the meanwhile, some detritus of the paki's failed kargil attempt is still floating around

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcNGGmNx8d4


What happened during Kargil War? Exclusive interview with Mushahid Hussain Syed



Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 08 Aug 2019 18:52
by Vikas
So after 5th Feb, Pakistanis now will also get another holiday on 5th Aug from next year onwards as 'Black Day'. Wonder how many holidays, Pakistanis are getting because of Bharat besides Independence day.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 08 Aug 2019 20:25
by Bart S
https://www.rediff.com/news/report/pak- ... 190808.htm

As clear an indication as any that Kartarpur proposal by Pakistan was intended to be a trap for GOI and an attempt to re-kindle the Khalistani project.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 08 Aug 2019 20:39
by Anujan
Two interesting things. Not even a peep from OIC even though Shah Mahmood Qureshi has been camped there for three days. Should appreciate GOI diplomacy towards UAE and the Saudis.

Not even a peep or a rally from "non state actors" that Pakis repeatedly whine they don't control.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 08 Aug 2019 20:48
by krithivas
This is Chanakyan strategy - "Death by a thousand holidays". All public and private including essential services will become unavailable round the year to protest some or the other Indian action.

Vikas wrote:So after 5th Feb, Pakistanis now will also get another holiday on 5th Aug from next year onwards as 'Black Day'. Wonder how many holidays, Pakistanis are getting because of Bharat besides Independence day.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 08 Aug 2019 20:55
by mmasand
Anujan wrote:Two interesting things. Not even a peep from OIC even though Shah Mahmood Qureshi has been camped there for three days. Should appreciate GOI diplomacy towards UAE and the Saudis.

Not even a peep or a rally from "non state actors" that Pakis repeatedly whine they don't control.


There was a statement by both today, the usual neutral stance. Both parties should speak to each other etc etc.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 08 Aug 2019 21:04
by sudhan
mmasand wrote:Laal Topi has put out a video of a round plump like object propagating Jeeehad against Yindoos on twitter. I really think BRF owe it to him to crowfund a gym membership, or the very least some skipping ropes to make it easy for him to trek the hilly terrain.


Saar, he/that is the paki secret weapon.. their new FAE.. they are currently working on increasing the explosive power by force feeding him pindi channa, foie gras style..

The 'weapon' can be pushed out from a C-130, he is loaded till the brim with pindi channa gas.. they tie him up make him walk till the edge of the ramp, stick a road flare up his mush and plant a kick on his plums.. the resulting fall and explosion is expected to rival the FOAB

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 08 Aug 2019 21:40
by Tamang

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 08 Aug 2019 21:59
by Bart S
More training from Ghafool and ISPR needed :rotfl:

http://news.rediff.com/commentary/2019/ ... 5df2e59ce0

Pak explains 'Akhand Bharat' banner in Islamabad
August 08, 2019 21:24


The pro-India banners that appeared in parts of Islamabad hailing the decision on Jammu and Kashmir, were due to an 'error' made by the designers and poor 'language' of the activists, a senior Pakistani official said on Thursday.

On Tuesday, pro-India banners appeared in different parts of the Pakistani capital, including in the high security Red Zone, hailing India's move to revoke the special status of Jammu and Kashmir.

The banners, which appeared on roads in front of Press Club, Sector F-6 and Abpara Chowk, went unnoticed for a long time before some passers-by spotted them and informed police who took down the banners and arrested one person in this connection.

The banners carried a map envisioning 'Akhand Bharat' (undivided India) showing parts of the present-day states of Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh and warnings about Balochistan.

They carried a message of Shiv Sena leader Sanjay Raut. The caption on the top of the banner read: 'Maha-Bharat A Step Forward'.

'Aaj Jammu & Kashmir liya hai Kal Balochistan, PoK lenge. Mujhe vishwsas hai desh ka PM Akhand Hindustan ka sapna poora karenhe (Today we took Jammu and Kashmir, tomorrow we will take Balochistan and PoK. I am sure Prime Minister Modi will make the dream of undivided India come true),' said the message written on the banners.

The district magistrate, Islamabad, ordered an inquiry into the incident.

On Thursday, Islamabad District Commissioner Hamza Shafqaat tweeted that everybody associated with the issue have been arrested and the investigation was complete.

'Banners investigation completed. Everyone associated arrested, statements recorded. It is mainly an issue of a technical misunderstanding/error by the designer. The intention was to highlight the expansionist/hegemonic aims of India. Our enemies can't dare to take such a step,' he tweeted.

He said during the investigation, it was found that the activists who put up the banners 'were not good at their language'.

"They are actually young activists who need to improve their grammar and punctuation," Shafqaat said.

He said the people who displayed the banner did not seek permission of the Capital Development Authority, the civic body which controls display of banners.

"They did not get any approval. That's why they have been arrested and charged," the district commissioner said. -- PTI

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 08 Aug 2019 22:30
by Vadivel
Taliban has given statement asking Pakistan and India to talk it over.

Even taliban is not in tilting towards Pakistan

http://alemarahenglish.com/?p=49828

:rotfl:

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 08 Aug 2019 23:31
by Bart S
rhytha wrote:Taliban has given statement asking Pakistan and India to talk it over.

Even taliban is not in tilting towards Pakistan

http://alemarahenglish.com/?p=49828

:rotfl:

'
This is the best part:
Linking the issue of Kashmir with that of Afghanistan by some parties will not aid in improving the crisis at hand because the issue of Afghanistan is not related nor should Afghanistan be turned into the theater of competition between other countries.

:rotfl:

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 08 Aug 2019 23:43
by KLNMurthy
Bart S wrote:
rhytha wrote:Taliban has given statement asking Pakistan and India to talk it over.

Even taliban is not in tilting towards Pakistan

http://alemarahenglish.com/?p=49828

:rotfl:

'
This is the best part:
Linking the issue of Kashmir with that of Afghanistan by some parties will not aid in improving the crisis at hand because the issue of Afghanistan is not related nor should Afghanistan be turned into the theater of competition between other countries.

:rotfl:

bleddy ungrateful buggers these Afghans.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 09 Aug 2019 00:41
by A_Gupta
^^^^ it suggests the Taliban think they’ll get what they want from Trump, and don’t want Pakistan to foul up the deal by moving the goalposts to include something about Kashmir.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 09 Aug 2019 01:05
by Anujan
I am suspicious about this statement by Taliban. There is no Taliban. Only Pakistan stooges.

The statement was most probably cleared by GHQ first. Remember that when taliban go to "talks" at doha, a Pakistani plane ferries them.

This might be a signal to unkil, please get us off of FATF and give money we will not renege on Taliban commitment.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 09 Aug 2019 01:48
by Rudradev
A_Gupta wrote:^^^^ it suggests the Taliban think they’ll get what they want from Trump, and don’t want Pakistan to foul up the deal by moving the goalposts to include something about Kashmir.


X-Posted from Article 370 Thread:

I have a Chankian theory.

The Taliban of today (and of tomorrow, if given a chance to form Afghan govt) are very, very far from the Taliban of the 1990s.

The Taliban of the 1990s were much, much more dependent on (and trusting of) Pakistan. To some extent KSA as well, but primarily Pakistan. The rest of the world viewed them, at least officially, as a pariah rogue state.

If Taliban plays a dominant role in the Afghan govt in future it will be a very different beast.

Firstly, it will have won open and official recognition from the US (and hence the whole international community). Hence, its diplomatic and economic dependence on Pakis/ISI will be much less. It will be a legitimate organization recognized as the ruling party in a UN member state.

Secondly it has learned some hard lessons about TSPA/ISI over the past two decades. It will surely remember things like the ISI's betrayal of Mullah Baradar and Mullah Akhtar Mansour. It will not forget how Islamabad-pasand leaders like the Haqqanis were elevated while other leaders inconvenient to the ISI were either assassinated or sold down the river to the Yanquis.

SO: if Taliban really does expect to come to power in Kabul, it also recognizes that the Pakis are unreliable at best and hostile anti-Pashtun hegemons at worst. Therefore, the Taliban today recognizes that it too will need strong leverage against Pakistani intervention, subversion, bullying etc. in the Afghanistan it hopes to rule one day.

Who is the best source of that leverage? Who can heat up the Pakis' other border and divert TSPA from operations in or near Afghanistan, as needed?

Even in 1999, under firm ISI control, the Taliban did its best not to aggravate the IC814 situation beyond a point. They did not permit further killings of Indian passengers on the tarmac in Kadahar, and ensured as far as they could that the hostages were handed over unharmed after the exchange of Masood Azhar and his cohort, without the sort of wholesale slaughter that other ISI-sponsored Tanzeems like LeT or JeM might have engaged in. Even then, they set limits when it came to provoking India.

Today they are openly refusing to take sides on the 370 issue. And the more Pakistan insists on using Kashmir as an issue to blackmail Trump regarding the Afghanistan negotiations, the bigger the rift between Pakis and the Taliban will get.

Not that they will ever be an "ally" exactly, but the Taliban can be useful to India. Old paradigms like "Afghan mujahedin will be diverted in droves to J&K for terrorism" may not be fully applicable in this day and age-- simply because ISI control over the Afghan mujahedin is nothing like it was in the 1980s and 90s. Why will they want to come to J&K and die, when there are spoils to fight for right there in AfPak? Some (like the ISI-pasand Haqqani and other units) MAY be diverted... but even they will be busy jockeying for power in a post-Ghani Afghanistan, and will need to keep their manpower in the locality to consolidate this because they will not fully trust the ISI to manoeuvre on their behalf. The vast bulk of the Taliban will go back to fighting each other, the Tajiks, the Uzbeks, and the Hazaras... and hopefully, fighting the Pakis/Chinese as well.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 09 Aug 2019 02:47
by Vips
We had the Pakistan Media Watch thread earlier. Is it there or has been discontinued?
The programs from the last 3 days of Shahid Masood on Paki channel is simply :rotfl:
The paki's simply cannot take any defeat or jhapad from India and once they get it they seek refuge in the Hadiths saying that after the next war with pakistan, Hindus will all be accepting Islam. Zaid Hamid is not going to like it as he has some serious competition coming from a Hashish smoking 'anal' yst.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 09 Aug 2019 03:30
by A_Gupta
Re: the Chankian theory - we are gleefully aware of the great dimunition of Pakistani strength relative to India since the 1990s, but it looks like there is a reduction of power relative to the Taliban as well. It is not just that India grew. Pakistan decayed further.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 09 Aug 2019 05:07
by A_Gupta

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 09 Aug 2019 05:47
by Roop
A_Gupta wrote:^^^^ it suggests the Taliban think they’ll get what they want from Trump, and don’t want Pakistan to foul up the deal by moving the goalposts to include something about Kashmir.

I was surprised (pleasantly surprised, of course) on reading that Taliban statement but I couldn't understand it. I think you have provided a sound explanation.

Also, Rudradev's post that the Taliban of today is not the same as the Taliban of the IA-814 hijacking days, is probably true -- I mean, I didn't realise it before but it seems to be the case now.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 09 Aug 2019 08:21
by g.sarkar
End of Bollywood:
https://www.khaleejtimes.com/citytimes/ ... hmir-issue
Pakistan bans Indian films over Kashmir issue
IANS/Islamabad
Filed on August 8, 2019
Pakistan has banned Indian films from being screened in cinemas across the nation, its government announced on Thursday.
Firdous Ashiq Awan, special assistant to Prime Minister Imran Khan on Information and Broadcasting, claimed this action was in retaliation to India's abrogation of the Constitution's Article 370, which gave special status to the state of Jammu and Kashmir and allowed it to have a separate constitution, a state flag and autonomy over the internal administration.
This is not the first time Pakistan has banned Indian films. Apart from refusing release of various Indian films regularly on grounds of censorship, Pakistan has been refusing release of Indian films - particularly Bollywood products - almost every time the political atmosphere between the two nations becomes tense.
.......
Gautam

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 09 Aug 2019 08:23
by sanjaykumar
This is getting to be a stale joke. Banana republic level.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 09 Aug 2019 08:27
by sanjaykumar
The reason for Pakistani angst among their generals of whom Niazi is the mouthpiece is that Pakistani sponsored attacks in Kashmir will be considered attacks on the Republic of INdia. No government can let it ride henceforth. Pakistan will be playing a most dangerous game.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 09 Aug 2019 09:00
by saip
How many times they have 'banned' bollywood films? What will they show in their theaters? Peerni dancing with the selected PM?

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 09 Aug 2019 09:01
by abhijitm
A_Gupta wrote:^^^^ it suggests the Taliban think they’ll get what they want from Trump, and don’t want Pakistan to foul up the deal by moving the goalposts to include something about Kashmir.

They are also thinking forward and want relation with India when they come back to power.

These are the same taliban who were sweet talking to us in 1999 while conspired with pakistan in kandahar hijacking.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 09 Aug 2019 10:46
by g.sarkar
No more visiting India to shop and eat biryani, all in the name of culture. All that is haram now:
https://www.khaleejtimes.com/internatio ... with-india
Kashmir issue: Pakistan bans all cultural exchanges with India
IANS/Islamabad, August 9, 2019
The National Security Council had decided to establish a group to check on any kind of Indian content.
The Pakistan government has decided to ban all cultural exchanges with New Delhi including all kinds of joint ventures in the entertainment industry of the two countries, the media reported on Friday.
"All kinds of Indian content have been stopped and Pemra (Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority) has been directed to step up its vigilance in this regard along with actions against the sale of Indian DTH instruments," Special Assistant to Prime Minister on Information and Broadcasting Firdous Ashiq Awan said on Thursday evening.
Talking to media persons at a reception hosted by her, she said the move was in the wake of the Indian government's decision to scrap Article 370 that gave special status to Jammu and Kashmir.
The Special Assistant added the media that the National Security Council had decided to establish a group to check on any kind of Indian content.
.....
Gautam

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 09 Aug 2019 10:57
by yensoy
Cultural exchanges? Huh? What culture does Bakistan have left to give us? Bakis cannot even offer anything of value in agriculture...

It's mostly been a one-way street, and pretty much dead since the Nusrat scion was caught in Delhi with undeclared forex presumably earned by him during his jaunt in India https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/pakistani-singer-rahat-fateh-ali-khan-detained-at-delhi-airport-447677. So let things be the way they are.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 09 Aug 2019 11:49
by Anujan
saip wrote:How many times they have 'banned' bollywood films? What will they show in their theaters? Peerni dancing with the selected PM?


Most people pirate DVDs anyway.

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 09 Aug 2019 11:53
by Vikas
g.sarkar wrote:No more visiting India to shop and eat biryani, all in the name of culture. All that is haram now:
https://www.khaleejtimes.com/internatio ... with-india
Kashmir issue: Pakistan bans all cultural exchanges with India
IANS/Islamabad, August 9, 2019
The Special Assistant added the media that the National Security Council had decided to establish a group to check on any kind of Indian content.
.....
Gautam


Would it be WhatsApp group or a Telegram group :)

Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 09 Aug 2019 12:44
by Anujan
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -blacklist

Pakistan Wants China’s Help to Skirt Terror-Financing Blacklist


Pakistan is looking to China and two other developing nations for support in avoiding tough financial sanctions, amid signs it is running out of time to meet global anti-money laundering and counter-terrorism financing standards, according to people familiar with the matter.....

The government in Islamabad expects it will fail to comply with enough of the 27 action items set by the Paris-based Financial Action Task Force before a final review in October, the people said, asking for anonymity because of the sensitivity of the discussions......

China, already a strong supporter of Pakistan and a major supplier of funding for infrastructure, has indicated it will block any proposal to impose sanctions, the people said. And a Chinese representative, Xiangmin Liu, started a one-year term as FATF president in July, increasing its influence in the organization......

China is likely to want support from other FATF members in blocking any move to blacklist Pakistan, to counter any perceptions it’s acting in its national interest while Liu, a People’s Bank of China official, holds the presidency, according to the person familiar with FATF deliberations.....




Re: Terroristan - May 1, 2019

Posted: 09 Aug 2019 12:51
by Manish_P
Anujan wrote:
saip wrote:How many times they have 'banned' bollywood films? What will they show in their theaters? Peerni dancing with the selected PM?


Most people pirate DVDs anyway.


Now-a-days it's mostly illegal downloads from torrent sites