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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby ramana » 28 Apr 2019 19:30

Ok now you can talk of India connection after the arrest of 3 youth in Kerala.

https://twitter.com/TimesNow/status/112 ... 07873?s=19

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby habal » 28 Apr 2019 20:39

with caches of arms being exposed all across sri lanka, it seems these were weapons depots for safekeeping by locals that are being busted one-by-one, an entire chain of safekeeping houses are coming down. This could mean many things some of which are:

1. Post IS TN module bust the entire chain had to be sacrificed to protect the ring leaders & handlers from being exposed.

2. Op balakot prompting change of direction in tsp military circles. They feel these assets are a liability that could go awry and pakistan has to face heat.

3. These so-called IS were supposed to go online sometime this year and they being automatons would not be in control of their handlers then anymore and had to be stopped before things went out-of-hand.

4. a remote possibility is chinese penetration of JeM and LeT subverting their plans in favour of Chinese objectives of bringing the rajapakse's back into power.

5. Riots broke out in Sri Lanka between buddhists and muslims last year 2018, so muslims keeping weapons was not such a big secret but that they made it into a suicide ops instead of self-defence was possibly because their nodes got compromised.

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby ramana » 29 Apr 2019 00:00

Habal There is a book on the net called Structured Analytical Thinking.

I think we should look at this as a political Islamist terror in South India and Sri Lanka.
Keeping geographic blinders won't help when the enemy is transnational.
Malaysia, Thailand are Eastern hubs, West Asia Dubai is another.

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby A_Gupta » 29 Apr 2019 07:18

Daily Mirror of Sri Lanka reports:
Elder brother of hotel bombers arrested at Mahawila
Mohamed Ibrahim Mohamed Ifran Ahmed, the elder brother of two suicide bombers, who blew themselves up at two hotels had been arrested by the STF during a raid in Dematagoda this morning, the Police said.

Sources said that the suspect was arrested in a house at the Mahawila Scheme in Dematagoda today.

The STF also recovered a German-manufactured air gun and two swords from the suspect’s possession.

He was handed over to the Dematagoda Police for further investigation.

Earlier, the Police took spice trader Mohamed Ibrahim into custody after his two sons were found to have been among those who carried out the attacks.

It was reported that Mohamed Ibrahim has nine children.

Source said two sons, Mohamed Ibrahim Mohamed Insaf Ahmed and Mohamed Ibrahim Mohamed Ilham Ahmed of Mohamed Ibrahim were the suicide bombers, who blew themselves up at Cinnamon Grand hotel and Shangri-La Hotel.
Earlier, the Police arrested two more sons and Mohamed Ibrahim Mohamed Ifran Ahmed was the third suspect taken into the custody.

Sources said another son of Mohamed Ibrahim at large.

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby A_Gupta » 29 Apr 2019 07:19

Island of Sri Lanka reports:
Two most wanted men apprehended
Easter Sunday carnage
http://www.island.lk/index.php?page_cat ... tle=203384
The Nawalapitiya police, yesterday, arrested two of the six most wanted suspects in connection with the Easter Sunday bombings. Police headquarters spokesman SP Ruwan Gunasekera identified the arrested persons as Mohamed Iyuhaim Sadik Abdul Haq and Mohamed Iyuham Shaheed Abdul Haq.

They were handed over to the Criminal Investigation Department (CID) for further investigations.

The Directorate of Military Intelligence (DMI), too, has sought access to the suspects.


Among those arrested in connection with possible links to terror networks were Colombo Municipal Council member Noordeen Mohamed Thajudeen, representing the Colombo Central, Deputy Mayor of Negombo Mohamed Ansar and one-time driver of the Easter Sunday terror mastermind Zahran Hashim, who is believed to have died in suicide attack on Colombo Shangri-La along with another suicide cadre.

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby Singha » 29 Apr 2019 08:05

New Delhi: The Sri Lankan government on Sunday issued a decree banning burqas and other face-covering garments from Monday, in light of the Easter Sunday attacks, which were carried out by a local cell that pledged allegiance to the Islamic State.

“Wearing garments that cover the face completely will be banned from tomorrow, to ensure public safety, “ the presidential decree reads.

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Postby darshan » 29 Apr 2019 08:49

Is SLG not worried about what people will say, oil imports, foreign exchange, Middle East, etc with such Chinese like actions against peaceful religion? And that too with dysfunctional house under Chinese espionage threats. Or is that only GoI that has to worry about taking meaningful actions against religion of peace?

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby chetak » 29 Apr 2019 09:54

Singha wrote:New Delhi: The Sri Lankan government on Sunday issued a decree banning burqas and other face-covering garments from Monday, in light of the Easter Sunday attacks, which were carried out by a local cell that pledged allegiance to the Islamic State.

Wearing garments that cover the face completely will be banned from tomorrow, to ensure public safety, “ the presidential decree reads.


Is there any outcry saying why to punish all when only a minuscule handful is guilty and these guilty are not muslims anyway because islam is a religion of peace??

Such crap is regularly put out in India, supported vociferously by naxals/commies and liberals.

There is certainly a lot of crap tolerated in "secular" India in the name of religion, especially when it is non Hindu.

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby Peregrine » 29 Apr 2019 15:05

Singha wrote:New Delhi: The Sri Lankan government on Sunday issued a decree banning burqas and other face-covering garments from Monday, in light of the Easter Sunday attacks, which were carried out by a local cell that pledged allegiance to the Islamic State.

Wearing garments that cover the face completely will be banned from tomorrow, to ensure public safety, “ the presidential decree reads.
chetak wrote:Is there any outcry saying why to punish all when only a minuscule handful is guilty and these guilty are not muslims anyway because islam is a religion of peace??

Such crap is regularly put out in India, supported vociferously by naxals/commies and liberals.

There is certainly a lot of crap tolerated in "secular" India in the name of religion, especially when it is non Hindu.
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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby VKumar » 29 Apr 2019 15:26

In Sri Lanka the leftists and liberals are not capable of protecting the Muslims against the backlash unlike India, so in Sri Lanka they fear retaliation.

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby Paul » 29 Apr 2019 15:38

In SL, sinhala are 70%-74% per Wiki compared to Hindus in India who are 79% here in India. If Sinhala can impose their will in SL, why cant Hindus do the same in India.

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby Kashi » 29 Apr 2019 15:40

Plus, the memories of the four Eelam wars and all that came along with it are far from gone. The parallels are uncanny-ambushes, terror attacks/bombings, skirmishes, leading to an outright war that raged for nearly three decades before LTTE's obliteration.

SL people may not be in a mood to allow the Part deux to start it all over again.

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby Karthik S » 29 Apr 2019 15:42

Paul wrote:In SL, sinhala are 70%-74% per Wiki compared to Hindus in India who are 79% here in India. If Sinhala can impose their will in SL, why cant Hindus do the same in India.


What about other groups, what are their percentages?

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby chola » 29 Apr 2019 15:45

VKumar wrote:In Sri Lanka the leftists and liberals are not capable of protecting the Muslims against the backlash unlike India, so in Sri Lanka they fear retaliation.


I'll believe it when I see it.

There are multiple reasons why the "religion of peace" get a pass. Being darlings of the left and SJWs (social justice warriors) is only one of them.

But there are other really big reasons.

One, a country like SL has real reason to be afraid to offending the numerous muslim nations in the region. Islam is political. Killing muzzies is different from slaughtering Hindu Tamils who have no one in their corner except TN,

Two, but of course, the blood thirsty retribution from the peacefuls in the form of beheadings or bombings is real. Far harder to take revenge on a global cult with a penchant for grotesque violence that can happen to anyone anywhere. The battlefield with the LTTE was more or less contained. Not so with the jihadis.

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Postby Paul » 29 Apr 2019 15:46

74.9% Sinhalese
11.2% Sri Lankan Tamils
9.2% Sri Lankan Moors
4.2% Indian Tamils
0.5% Others (incl. Burghers, Malays, Veddas, Chinese, Africans)
Source Wiki

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby Karthik S » 29 Apr 2019 15:50

chola wrote:
VKumar wrote:In Sri Lanka the leftists and liberals are not capable of protecting the Muslims against the backlash unlike India, so in Sri Lanka they fear retaliation.


I'll believe it when I see it.

There are multiple reasons why the "religion of peace" get a pass. Being darlings of the left and SJWs (social justice warriors) is only one of them.

But there are other really big reasons.

One, a country like SL has real reason to be afraid to offending the numerous muslim nations in the region. Islam is political. Killing muzzies is different from slaughtering Hindu Tamils who have no one in their corner except TN,

Two, but of course, the blood thirsty retribution from the peacefuls in the form of beheadings or bombings is real. Far harder to take revenge on a global cult with a penchant for grotesque violence that can happen to anyone anywhere. The battlefield with the LTTE was more or less contained. Not so with the jihadis.


Why nothing happens to Israel, Russia, China and even USA?

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby chola » 29 Apr 2019 16:00

Karthik S wrote:
chola wrote:
I'll believe it when I see it.

There are multiple reasons why the "religion of peace" get a pass. Being darlings of the left and SJWs (social justice warriors) is only one of them.

But there are other really big reasons.

One, a country like SL has real reason to be afraid to offending the numerous muslim nations in the region. Islam is political. Killing muzzies is different from slaughtering Hindu Tamils who have no one in their corner except TN,

Two, but of course, the blood thirsty retribution from the peacefuls in the form of beheadings or bombings is real. Far harder to take revenge on a global cult with a penchant for grotesque violence that can happen to anyone anywhere. The battlefield with the LTTE was more or less contained. Not so with the jihadis.


Why nothing happens to Israel, Russia, China and even USA?


Nothing?

Israel? Bombing and killings on a daily basis for long periods followed by Israeli retributions and invasions of Lebanon and Gaza.

Russia? Mass bombings and mass slaughter of hundreds of Russian school children followed by Russian retribution in Chechnya and in Syria.

China? Slaughter of hundreds of Hans in Xinjiang and across the country including a mass knifing of forty at their tropical vacation spot in Yunnan. Followed by mass internment and the electronic monitoring of the entire muslim population.

USA? 3000 dead on 9/11. Mass slaughters by peacefuls in California, Florida, bombings at marathons, etc. The US took down Iraq and Afghanistan in response.

It is a global threat. Those four are less inclined to sit on their hands in spite of the threat, that is true. It comes from having enough power to be less afraid. Israel has no choice anyways.

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby Karthik S » 29 Apr 2019 16:11

chola wrote:
Karthik S wrote:
Why nothing happens to Israel, Russia, China and even USA?


Nothing?

Israel? Bombing and killings on a daily basis for long periods followed by Israeli retributions and invasions of Lebanon and Gaza.

Russia? Mass bombings and mass slaughter of hundreds of Russian school children followed by Russian retribution in Chechnya and in Syria.

China? Slaughter of hundreds of Hans in Xinjiang and across the country including a mass knifing of forty at their tropical vacation spot in Yunnan. Followed by mass internment and the electronic monitoring of the entire muslim population.

USA? 3000 dead on 9/11. Mass slaughters by peacefuls in California, Florida, bombings at marathons, etc. The US took down Iraq and Afghanistan in response.

It is a global threat. Those four are less inclined to sit on their hands in spite of the threat, that is true. It comes from having enough power to be less afraid. Israel has no choice anyways.



Saar am talking about aftermath of retributions to terrorist attacks, Forgot about Myanmar, not exactly a country with any heft, don't see them afraid of muslim nations in the region, heck who did what when they were driving out rohingyas?

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby chola » 29 Apr 2019 16:29

Karthik S wrote:Saar am talking about aftermath of retributions to terrorist attacks, Forgot about Myanmar, not exactly a country with any heft, don't see them afraid of muslim nations in the region, heck who did what when they were driving out rohingyas?


Fair point. But the original four you mentioned are the three most powerful nations on earth plus one who has no choice.

Yes, Burma is a good example. They face constant pressure from the West but decided to put their nation first. They have poor relations with Bangladesh and the rest of the muslim world. They are yellows like Cheen and their world is East Asia so having no good relations with muzzie nations is less important to them than SL.

On SL, I'll believe it when I see it. They are SDREs who have killed other SDREs. But so far I see no retribution from their crowds or their government except a burka ban.

Still I hope you are right on SL.

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby Singha » 29 Apr 2019 18:07

Sl and myanmar and lately thailand have seen militant buddhist monks leading mobs to attack malsis.

Some of the highest violence occured in cambodia between buddhists i guess the whole pol pot thing

So while buddhism has been marketed in the west as a inward looking peaceful way, they are capable of high levels of violence when pushed into a righteous rage

Tibet too has a long history of wars.

As john rambo said “ when pushed, killing is as easy as breathing “

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby chetak » 29 Apr 2019 20:33

Sri Lanka suicide bombers used off-the-shelf TATP ingredients to make explosives: Returning IS fighters may use similar tactics in India, fear officials




Sri Lanka suicide bombers used off-the-shelf TATP ingredients to make explosives:

Returning IS fighters may use similar tactics in India, fear officials


Praveen Swami Apr 29, 2019

New Delhi: Easily-available chemicals, including nail-polish remover, a common disinfectant and sulfuric acid were used by Sri Lankan jihadists to manufacture the explosive used in the Easter Sunday suicide attacks which claimed over 25o lives, intelligence sources with access to forensic test results have told Firspost.

The results of the forensic tests have heightened fears among the intelligence community that Indian jihadists who fought with the Islamic State could have acquired similar skills, the sources said.

Islamic State engineers in Iraq and Syria are known to have set up industrial-scale operations to produce Triacetone Triphosphate, also known as TATP, while hundreds of cadre were given classes in manufacturing the explosive.

The National Investigation Agency (NIA) last year had said that they had recovered TATP ingredients from the home of Abdullah bin Ahmed al-Amoodi, one of the five Hyderabad residents alleged to have been preparing to bomb targets in the city. Led by preacher Mohammad Zahran Hashim, who advocated the killing of all non-Muslims and the setting up of an Islamic State in Lanka, the Sri Lanka terror cell had stockpiled chemicals at a safe-house in Wanathawilluwa, which investigators believe were meant to bomb Buddhist monuments in the city of Anuradhapura.

Sri Lanka suicide bombers used off-the-shelf TATP ingredients to make explosives:
Returning IS fighters may use similar tactics in India, fear officials. The results of the forensic tests have heightened fears among the intelligence community that Indian jihadists who fought with the Islamic State could have acquired similar skills.

Following the seizure of the supplies in a police raid early this year, though, a fresh stockpile was put together in Sainthamaruthu, near Hashim’s home-town.

Fifteen people — three women, six children, and Hashim’s father, Mohamed Hashim, and brothers Zainee Hashim, Rilwan Hashim — were killed during a police raid in Sainthamaruthu which was carried out soon after the stockpile was discovered.

Fabrication of the explosive devices, sources close to the investigation say, was carried out at Colossus Copper, a factory owned by suicide-bomber Inshaf Ibrahim. Ibrahim and his brother and fellow suicide-bomber, Ilham Ibrahim, were sons of Sri Lanka spice magnate Mohammad Yusuf Ibrahim.

Mohammed Mohiudeen, a former Sri Lankan army soldier now held by authorities, is believed to have played a key role in fabricating the explosive devices, along with a so-far-unnamed cell member who trained in Syria.

Australia and United Kingdom-educated aerospace engineer Abdul Lathief Jameel Mohamed, who blew himself up at the Tropical Inn Hotell in Dehiwela, is also believed to have provided technical knowledge for the bomb-making process.


Sri Lanka police have been conducting house-to-house searches searching for explosive material in the eastern part of the country, a Sri Lanka-based government source said. "Fisherfolk routinely use dynamite to stun fish," the official said, "there are large stockpiles in almost every village along the coast."

TATP, or C9H18O6, has been used for a string of terrorist attacks, including the 2005 suicide-bomb strikes on London’s mass transit system, and the Islamic State's 2015 strike in Paris, and its 2016 strike on Brussels.

In order to make TATP, terrorists must mix precise quantities of acetone, oxygenated water and sulphuric, hydrochloric or nitric acid together. The process yields white crystals, which are packed together with metal shrapnel for maximum lethality, and then set off with a detonator—a thin metal tube linked to two electrical wires which can cause a spark.


"There’s some risk in the process," an Indian military officer familiar with explosives said, "especially at the stage of mixing the acid with the other ingredients, which generates heat and can cause a dangerous fire."

"But once you’ve learned the art,” the officer said, “it’s just half an hour’s work.” TATP is hard to detect, dogs or electronic sniffer devices usually target nitrogen-containing explosives. The possibility of TATP being prepared on-board flights gave rise to restrictions on carrying liquids in hand luggage at airports.

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby Lalmohan » 29 Apr 2019 20:41

^^^ TATP was the recommended explosive of choice for those burning with the fervour of jeehard and ready to strike a blow at the heart of the infidel
the problem is stability and if you dont get the mix right it can just be popcorn (as happened to an eager beardie in london) or blow your head off as you're making it... but unfortunately, ingredients are easy to buy

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby darshan » 29 Apr 2019 21:00

https://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-sri ... story.html

Double standards? Where is main stream media now?

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby chetak » 29 Apr 2019 21:11

more vigorous crackdown??

not a word about newzealand?? ltte?? east timor??



Catholic Church wants more vigorous crackdown on Sri Lankan militants


Catholic Church wants more vigorous crackdown on Sri Lankan militants

Churches were shut across the nation on Sunday, a week after the bombings, for fear of an attack by Islamic State group-linked militants.


29th April 2019



COLOMBO: The Catholic Church in Sri Lanka said Monday that the government should crack down on Islamic extremists with more vigour "as if on war footing" in the aftermath of the Easter bombings.

Cardinal Malcolm Ranjith, the archbishop of Colombo, said the church may not be able to stop people from taking the law into their own hands unless the government conducts a more thorough investigation and does more to prevent further attacks.


The Islamic State group has claimed responsibility for the Easter attacks, which killed more than 250 people, and investigators are looking into the extent of the extremist group's direct involvement with the local radicalized Muslims who carried out the suicide bombings.

The cardinal said he is not satisfied with how the government has conducted its investigations so far.

"All the security forces should be involved and function as if on a war footing," Ranjith told reporters. "I want to state that we may not be able to keep people under control in the absence of a stronger security program," he said.


"We can't forever give them false promises and keep them calm." He urged the government "to implement a proper program in order that the people don't take the law into their own hands." Ranjith, however, said the church assures Muslims that it will not allow any revenge attacks against them.

He also said church services would be held this coming Sunday after necessary precautions are taken. The number of Masses will be reduced at every church, with police and parish committees entrusted with the task of looking out for strangers.


Churches were shut across the nation on Sunday, a week after the bombings, for fear of an attack by Islamic State group-linked militants.

Sri Lanka's Catholics celebrated Mass in their homes as Ranjith presided over a televised service. The closing of the churches came after local officials and the US Embassy in Colombo warned that more militants remained on the loose with explosives.

Even though all of the island nation's schools are to reopen May 6, Ranjith said Catholic schools could be kept closed after that date if the church is not satisfied with security.

Meanwhile, the government has banned all kinds of face coverings that may conceal people's identities. The emergency law, which took effect Monday, prevents Muslim women from veiling their faces. The decision came after the Cabinet had proposed laws on face veils at a recent meeting.

It had deferred the matter until talks with Islamic clerics could be held, on the advice of Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe. The Easter attacks were carried out by seven suicide bombers who blew themselves up targeting three churches and three luxury hotels.

Two other suicide bombers died triggering blasts, one to avoid capture by the police and another at an inn where he was staying.

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Postby Prem » 30 Apr 2019 03:13

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 089385.cms
Sri Lanka ‘reaches out’ for NSG help

NEW DELHI: Sri Lanka — stunned by a spate of terror attacks— has sought assistance from India’s elite anti-terror commandos for operations as well as investigation against local terror cells.

Colombo has informally reached out to New Delhi over dispatching NSG commandos, sources said. India, however, as a matter of principle does not want to send troops to a foreign land out of own volition and would rather wait for a formal request, sources added. A crack team of counter-terroism has been put on standby in Chennai following Friday raids in Sri Lanka in which 15 persons were killed. A home ministry official said: “Considering expertise of NSG in post-blast investigations, we have asked them to be on standby. They will be assisted by their seniors from New Delhi. Over 100 commandos of the counter-terror and counter-hijack squads of the NSG have been based at the hub. The final decision to deploy them for assistance in the neighboring country will be taken by the f .. Sri Lankan prime minister Ranil Wickremasighe has thanked India for providing intelligence ahead of attacks and sought future assistance to counter threats.


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Postby abhijitm » 30 Apr 2019 04:53

^^ The request must have came from their PM. Sirisena will not allow it.

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby Rudradev » 30 Apr 2019 05:00

chola wrote:Two, but of course, the blood thirsty retribution from the peacefuls in the form of beheadings or bombings is real. Far harder to take revenge on a global cult with a penchant for grotesque violence that can happen to anyone anywhere. The battlefield with the LTTE was more or less contained. Not so with the jihadis.


An often overlooked point.

The PR machine of Islam is really, really something else.

Ramana had remarked how we are now entering a world where a Muslim from Country A commits terrorism in Country B on the pretext of retaliating against something Country C allegedly did to Muslims, e.g. Bangladeshi Muslims rioting in Mumbai and terrorizing Northeast Indians in out-of-state cities, while citing the Myanmar/Rohingya situation as a pretext.

If done effectively this has a chilling effect, allowing Muslims in every country to have their way with scant regard to the laws of said country. If Country A thinks about cracking down on Muslims raising merry hell, Countries B,C,D...Z will all pressurize Country A for restraint; otherwise, they could face terrorism in their own countries by Muslims claiming "persecution" in Country A.

And on the other side the PR Machine extends its tentacles everywhere. This is a war on terrorism, not Islam. Terrorism has no religion. Don't dare raise your voice and question why it happens. Muslims are a vulnerable minority and extending them every legal and cultural protection is sacrosanct. Don't "put Muslims in danger" of violence by lone psychotics like Brenton Tarrant, whose actions nobody could control or predict anyway. Don't do anything that could be construed "Islamophobic," or you will lose your job or face outraged boycotts against your business.

And damned if it doesn't work. France, standing alone in demanding that hijabs not be worn in public schools, draws the ire of every other "Western liberal democracy". Sri Lanka is setting itself up for 30 venomous Al-Jazeera op-eds a month, as global public memory of the Easter Sunday attacks begins to subside but the crackdown continues. Even China, the second-largest economy in the world with thousands of Western journalists and media outlets on its payroll, cannot escape the heat of the PR machine on the subject of Uighurs. And of course we've been attacked like this in India since at least 1992, to the point where many Indian citizens are shamed by misinformation about the Gujarat riots into voting against the long-term interests of the country.

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby Singha » 30 Apr 2019 08:20

http://colombogazette.com/2019/04/29/te ... an-losses/

hail be to the holy camel! baghdadi ji is alive and well, though a bit aged
released a video yesterday praising the SL ghazis for extracting some revenge for syria on the crusaders.

he is seen with same short barrel ak47 model with big banana clip that OBL used to carry.

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby chetak » 30 Apr 2019 09:30

Prem wrote:https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/sri-lanka-reaches-out-for-nsg-help/articleshow/69089385.cms
Sri Lanka ‘reaches out’ for NSG help

NEW DELHI: Sri Lanka — stunned by a spate of terror attacks— has sought assistance from India’s elite anti-terror commandos for operations as well as investigation against local terror cells.

Colombo has informally reached out to New Delhi over dispatching NSG commandos, sources said. India, however, as a matter of principle does not want to send troops to a foreign land out of own volition and would rather wait for a formal request, sources added. A crack team of counter-terroism has been put on standby in Chennai following Friday raids in Sri Lanka in which 15 persons were killed. A home ministry official said: “Considering expertise of NSG in post-blast investigations, we have asked them to be on standby. They will be assisted by their seniors from New Delhi. Over 100 commandos of the counter-terror and counter-hijack squads of the NSG have been based at the hub. The final decision to deploy them for assistance in the neighboring country will be taken by the f .. Sri Lankan prime minister Ranil Wickremasighe has thanked India for providing intelligence ahead of attacks and sought future assistance to counter threats.



just asking onlee.

Why are these guys being massed and based out of TN.

given that they will be airlifted in case of any urgent requirement, would it not have been wiser to situate them in another adjoining state. After all, the difference in flying time may be just under an hour or so at the very worst.

local resentment against the dilli govt and its alleged high handed ways are always surging just under the surface and will be easily fanned by embedded local supporters of SL organizations.

TN already has a long history of such easily evoked sentiments coming into play at the drop of the proverbial hat.

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby Anujan » 30 Apr 2019 09:40

Like how millenials have a latte on the side, how come these terrorists always have an AK on the side? Mostly OBL was hiding inside a compound, watching pr0n and eating ****. What did he do with his AK anyway?

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Postby chetak » 30 Apr 2019 10:20

Rudradev wrote:
chola wrote:Two, but of course, the blood thirsty retribution from the peacefuls in the form of beheadings or bombings is real. Far harder to take revenge on a global cult with a penchant for grotesque violence that can happen to anyone anywhere. The battlefield with the LTTE was more or less contained. Not so with the jihadis.


An often overlooked point.

The PR machine of Islam is really, really something else.

Ramana had remarked how we are now entering a world where a Muslim from Country A commits terrorism in Country B on the pretext of retaliating against something Country C allegedly did to Muslims, e.g. Bangladeshi Muslims rioting in Mumbai and terrorizing Northeast Indians in out-of-state cities, while citing the Myanmar/Rohingya situation as a pretext.

If done effectively this has a chilling effect, allowing Muslims in every country to have their way with scant regard to the laws of said country. If Country A thinks about cracking down on Muslims raising merry hell, Countries B,C,D...Z will all pressurize Country A for restraint; otherwise, they could face terrorism in their own countries by Muslims claiming "persecution" in Country A.

And on the other side the PR Machine extends its tentacles everywhere. This is a war on terrorism, not Islam. Terrorism has no religion. Don't dare raise your voice and question why it happens. Muslims are a vulnerable minority and extending them every legal and cultural protection is sacrosanct. Don't "put Muslims in danger" of violence by lone psychotics like Brenton Tarrant, whose actions nobody could control or predict anyway. Don't do anything that could be construed "Islamophobic," or you will lose your job or face outraged boycotts against your business.

And damned if it doesn't work. France, standing alone in demanding that hijabs not be worn in public schools, draws the ire of every other "Western liberal democracy". Sri Lanka is setting itself up for 30 venomous Al-Jazeera op-eds a month, as global public memory of the Easter Sunday attacks begins to subside but the crackdown continues. Even China, the second-largest economy in the world with thousands of Western journalists and media outlets on its payroll, cannot escape the heat of the PR machine on the subject of Uighurs. And of course we've been attacked like this in India since at least 1992, to the point where many Indian citizens are shamed by misinformation about the Gujarat riots into voting against the long-term interests of the country.


Ramana is particularly perceptive in his observation/analysis.

The connection he has made is as valid as it is dangerous.

the ummah concept which was always at a low key in India has just started to raise its head here.

a few days ago i was taken aback to see some local muslims togged out in full arabic spec outfits with thawbs and the red chequered head covering. They are locals who run the neighborhood two wheeler garage and even tiny little girls and boys were all dressed up in islamic regulation outfits complete with face covering and topis. Their garage clientele is overwhelmingly non islamic.

for some time now, there has been a conscious effort to separate/differentiate themselves from the genpop and the easiest way is to dress differently and yet paradoxically and increasingly, they seek admissions to non madrassa educational institutions for their kids. Does it mean that the reforms that they may want to see in their own communities are coming slower than expected or do they now believe that a non islamic, nonsectarian education for their kids may be the best way forward or do they simply want the best of both worlds.

in some cities, they are willing to pay a 25-30% premium on real estate to get access to dwellings of their choice which is usually in the majority preponderate areas.
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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby ramana » 30 Apr 2019 10:22

Rudradev wrote:
chola wrote:Two, but of course, the blood thirsty retribution from the peacefuls in the form of beheadings or bombings is real. Far harder to take revenge on a global cult with a penchant for grotesque violence that can happen to anyone anywhere. The battlefield with the LTTE was more or less contained. Not so with the jihadis.


An often overlooked point.

The PR machine of Islam is really, really something else.

Ramana had remarked how we are now entering a world where a Muslim from Country A commits terrorism in Country B on the pretext of retaliating against something Country C allegedly did to Muslims, e.g. Bangladeshi Muslims rioting in Mumbai and terrorizing Northeast Indians in out-of-state cities, while citing the Myanmar/Rohingya situation as a pretext.

If done effectively this has a chilling effect, allowing Muslims in every country to have their way with scant regard to the laws of said country. If Country A thinks about cracking down on Muslims raising merry hell, Countries B,C,D...Z will all pressurize Country A for restraint; otherwise, they could face terrorism in their own countries by Muslims claiming "persecution" in Country A.

And on the other side the PR Machine extends its tentacles everywhere. This is a war on terrorism, not Islam. Terrorism has no religion. Don't dare raise your voice and question why it happens. Muslims are a vulnerable minority and extending them every legal and cultural protection is sacrosanct. Don't "put Muslims in danger" of violence by lone psychotics like Brenton Tarrant, whose actions nobody could control or predict anyway. Don't do anything that could be construed "Islamophobic," or you will lose your job or face outraged boycotts against your business.

And damned if it doesn't work. France, standing alone in demanding that hijabs not be worn in public schools, draws the ire of every other "Western liberal democracy". Sri Lanka is setting itself up for 30 venomous Al-Jazeera op-eds a month, as global public memory of the Easter Sunday attacks begins to subside but the crackdown continues. Even China, the second-largest economy in the world with thousands of Western journalists and media outlets on its payroll, cannot escape the heat of the PR machine on the subject of Uighurs. And of course we've been attacked like this in India since at least 1992, to the point where many Indian citizens are shamed by misinformation about the Gujarat riots into voting against the long-term interests of the country.


Here you go

"A US Military veteran who recently converted to Islam was busted for a domestic terror plot in Southern CA that he said was revenge for the New Zealand mosque"

https://t.co/iYtt0AschB

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby Singha » 30 Apr 2019 11:21

Anujan wrote:Like how millenials have a latte on the side, how come these terrorists always have an AK on the side? Mostly OBL was hiding inside a compound, watching pr0n and eating ****. What did he do with his AK anyway?


it creates the persona and aura of a warrior leader who can lead from front, not a scheming back end rat letting others die in 1000s in his name. his one known achievement to date is keeping that american aid worker lady as his personal slave and raping her repeatedly.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/15/worl ... death.html

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby SSridhar » 30 Apr 2019 13:27

chetak wrote:just asking onlee.

Why are these guys being massed and based out of TN.

given that they will be airlifted in case of any urgent requirement, would it not have been wiser to situate them in another adjoining state. After all, the difference in flying time may be just under an hour or so at the very worst.

local resentment against the dilli govt and its alleged high handed ways are always surging just under the surface and will be easily fanned by embedded local supporters of SL organizations.

TN already has a long history of such easily evoked sentiments coming into play at the drop of the proverbial hat.

Just replying onlee.

Firstly, there is an NSG hub in Chennai. Of course, there is another one in Hyderabad.

Secondly, precisely for the reason that you allude to, namely local resentment against Dilli, that these guys must be 'massed and based out of TN'.

Thirdly, Hyderabad also has significant remnants of Razakars masquerading as politicians supported by henchmen from other political parties.

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby chetak » 30 Apr 2019 13:56

SSridhar wrote:
chetak wrote:just asking onlee.

Why are these guys being massed and based out of TN.

given that they will be airlifted in case of any urgent requirement, would it not have been wiser to situate them in another adjoining state. After all, the difference in flying time may be just under an hour or so at the very worst.

local resentment against the dilli govt and its alleged high handed ways are always surging just under the surface and will be easily fanned by embedded local supporters of SL organizations.

TN already has a long history of such easily evoked sentiments coming into play at the drop of the proverbial hat.

Just replying onlee.

Firstly, there is an NSG hub in Chennai. Of course, there is another one in Hyderabad.

Secondly, precisely for the reason that you allude to, namely local resentment against Dilli, that these guys must be 'massed and based out of TN'.

Thirdly, Hyderabad also has significant remnants of Razakars masquerading as politicians supported by henchmen from other political parties.


i am aware that no NSG hub was created in bangalore even though the city merited one and this was during the upa tenure and probably done when the bjp was in power in KAR just to spite it.

I am also aware that there is enough and more shareable infrastructure available to securely host the NSG in bangalore for a short duration stay and three nearby airports to handle the airlift requirements at extremely short notice on a 24 hr basis.

NSG staged through bangalore would not even create a ripple among the locals who are quite removed and detached from any linguistic, cultural or other relations with the SLs.

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby ramana » 30 Apr 2019 18:04

Guys don't get into regional cat fight.
This SL Easter attack.is very problematic for India.
Don't look at it as SL problem only but as a symptom of militant Islam.

And concentrate on Pak role.

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Postby A_Gupta » 30 Apr 2019 18:08

^^^ +108

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Postby A_Gupta » 30 Apr 2019 18:10

The Daily Mirror of Sri Lanka tells us that the US ambassador said:
US believes terrorists may be plotting more attacks in SL
http://www.dailymirror.lk/top_story/US- ... 155-166196

The US believes members of the militant group blamed for Sri Lanka’s Easter Sunday attacks may be at large and planning more assaults, US Ambassador to Sri Lanka, Alaina Teplitz has told Reuters on Tuesday.

“We do believe that the terrorist threat is ongoing and there may be active plotters. Active members of the attack group that carried out the terror attacks on Easter Sunday may still be at large,” Ambassador Teplitz said.

“We certainly have reason to believe that the active attack group has not been fully rendered inactive. We do believe that there is active planning underway,” she said.

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Postby A_Gupta » 30 Apr 2019 18:12

http://www.dailymirror.lk/opinion/How-W ... 172-166180
How Wahhabism was fostered until it’s too late
On Friday, the imam of a Sufi mosque in Saindamarudu was alerted by the locals about a suspicious crowd in a house in the neighbourhood housing scheme called, Bolivia village. That is an exclusively Muslim housing scheme of 400 houses built after the Indian Ocean tsunami. The owner of one of the houses there had given his residence on rent to a man who claims to be a telecom engineer from Kattankudy; since new tenants moved in, he has observed a stream of unusual visitors to his house.

A delegation from the local mosque, the Grama Sevaka and the owner visited the house to inquire and were confronted by the angry tenants.

The locals then alerted a passer -by traffic cop. A police team was dispatched from Kalmunai Police , and was fired upon as they approached the house.

Police Special Task Force and army were called in for help. As the troops encircled the house and evacuated residents in the nearby houses, around three gunmen kept firing. Later in the night, three explosions believed to be suicide blasts ripped through the house. Following day, troops found the remains of three men, believed to be gunmen, laying at the entrance of the house. Inside, charred bodies of 12 others, including six children, three women and three men were found. The men were believed to have blown themselves up killing the rest of the family members.

A woman and a child was recovered from wreckage and were later identified as the wife and the child of the mastermind of the suicide bomber Mohammed Zahran.

The father and brother of Zahran, Mohammed Rilwan who was mentioned in the previous intelligence memo were also identified among the dead. Prior to the raid on their hideout, the three men had recorded a video in which they claimed the credit for the previous attacks and urged the Muslims to give up earthly responsibilities to wage Jihad. Without the local help, the raid would not have been possible. In most part of the world, especially in the West, battle against Islamic extremism is fought with limited success exactly due to the lack of community cooperation. Instead, Muslims youth, mainly of immigrant origin give the middle finger to the police.

The greatest strength in Sri Lanka’s fight against Islamic extremism is the local Muslim community. Their cooperation is crucial anywhere, and especially in the East, where Muslim majority enclaves have already insulated from the rest of the country to a great deal.

Just like in Saindamarudu, the community is cooperating with the law enforcement authorities to help nab suspects. (One of the female suspects in police wanted list Fathima Lathifa, and the wife of one of the alleged vandals of Mawanella Budhdha statues was handed over to police by her parents)

However, the greatest long term threat to Sri Lanka is also the radicalization of the same Muslim community. If the current level of radicalization persists that would erode the future prospects of cooperation. Similarly, mishandling the situation, leading to mass victimization of Muslims due to security measures may also result in a fall out of the Muslim community with the Sri Lankan state.

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Postby A_Gupta » 30 Apr 2019 18:15

continued:
National Thawheed Jammaath is a breakaway group of Sri Lanka Thawheed Jaamaath (SLTJ). It was launched by Mohammed Zahran in 2012 after he broke away with a local mosque of the Sri Lanka Thawheed Jamaath. The first mosque of National Thawheed Jammaath was set up in a ramshackle hut in Kattankudy. Over the coming years, it grew in followers, resources and controversy it courted.

The first mosque of Thawheed Jammaath in Beruwela was set up in 2002. It immediately triggered a major push back from local moderate Muslims.

Zahran was reportedly removed from the leadership of NTJ in March this year after a clash with local Sufi followers. The clash sent Zahran and his brothers to underground. However, another brother of Zahran was appointed as the new leader of NTJ, which cast doubt over the sincerity of the decision to remove the hate preacher.

Zahran and his followers then joined with a group from Jamathei Millathu Ibraheem (JMI). Local Thawheed Jammaath factions now claim innocence over the Easter Sunday Attacks and pin the blame on JMI.

However this explanation is too simplistic.

Thawheed Jammaath as a whole is propagating an austere form of Wahhabism based on literal interpretation of Quran and Hadith. It is this ideology of a recreation of medieval Islamic caliphate and a perceived clashed between Islam and the West that provides ideological inspiration for al Qaeda and Islamic State-led global Jihad. The only difference between other Thawheed Jaamaath factions and NTJ and JMI are their rationalization of use of violence- more specifically , the use of violence within Sri Lanka against Sri Lankan targets-to achieve their religious ends.

The purported fallout of NTJ from the rest is due to this fundamental difference. Barring that all groups advocates an austere and militant form of Islam with reintroduction of Sharia and suffocating Arabized social and cultural norms. They all have more in common with Al Qaeda’s ideological vision than moderate local Sufi Islam.

Their supposedly non-violent extremism is a stepping stone for violent extremism of global Salafi Jihad. Their followers travel back and forth between the two narratives.

That radicalization happened due to the politically influenced indifference towards encroaching Wahhabism and sheer lack of political will to act against the looming threat. The spread of Thawheed Jammaath to Sri Lanka happened in 2002 on the back of Al Qaeda-led Salafi Jihad after 9/11 attacks.

The first mosque of Thawheed Jammaath in Beruwela was set up in 2002. It immediately triggered a major push back from local moderate Muslims. Periodic sectarian clashes continued for the first decade. However, despite initial resistance, Thawheed Jammaath persisted, supported by large donations from Gulf states. More and more Muslims were lured into new Wahhabi brand of Islam. Financial and political calculations also led local Muslim political leadership to extend political patronage to creeping Wahhabism at the expense of moderate Sufi Islam. They may not have known the full scale of monstrosity that they were courting, however, their conduct effectively empowered Thawheed factions at the expense of moderate Islam.

There are more than 200 Thawheed mosques in the country, of which only a few are registered as places of worship. Thawheed Jammaath followers have encroached positions of Ministry of Islamic Affairs and institutions that cater specifically to Muslims.

Radicalization of Muslims is real and far reaching than one would assume. It cannot be combated merely by banning NTJ and JMI. Thawheed factions that are left out are not much different in terms of ideology they propagate. They may not espouse violence as of now, but, make no mistake, Islamic extremism is evolving and expansive ideology. They also provide sufficient radicalizing impetus. Suicide bombing is just a step away.

The problem is Sri Lanka cannot ban all Thawheed factions. A good number of Sri Lankan Muslims, in some estimates around 20 per cent of the Muslim population in Beruwela, are followers of Thawheed Jaamaath. Some of them may already be cooperating with Police to nab the followers of their splinter group.

On the other hand, banning would drive them underground. Sri Lanka should launch an open dialogue with these communities, at the same time keeping a tab on their preaching and violent impulses of their more zealous followers.
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