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Vips wrote:We certainly do not know if they were caught 'deep inside SL territory'. There is a difference in Fishermen crossing over the border for some distance in search of a good catch of fish and inimical elements indulging in anti-state activities.

Even otherwise there have been reports of how sri lankan military forces have been violent with our fishermen after catching them. Also, have we set a figure of Rs 1 Crore for release on bail of sri lankan fisherman caught by our Coast Guard?



Anyone entering another country illegally is never treated with respect and welcomed with appreciative murmurs of vasudaiva kutambakam. They are collared and taught the lesson of their lives and rightfully so.

Reports about violence is very true, especially given the nature and surreptitious ingress after evading the patrols on both sides. Ditto is the case for ingress into India too and no red carpet is laid out for these interlopers when we catch their couriers on our side and the IB gets involved.

No one bothers about minor transgressions of a few kilometers here and there

boats drift with the current and also due to prevailing winds, especially when the nets are out

The SLs are not fools to arrest Indian fishermen because of these few KMs

With food, money, fuel and jobs being very scarce in SL, why would the SLs tolerate anyone entering their territory to steal their fish, (one of their vital national assets), and do other illegal activities.

The SL "fishermen" very rarely cross over the Indian territorial limits and so, net net it is a massive one sided movement and mostly by the dravidians

the dravidians politicos who own all these boats and their mostly dravidian hired help have many little tricks to evade the Indian coast guard and the SL navy patrols

the dravidian transgressions into SL waters are willful, deliberate and illegal to the point of criminality and it is not done for fishing

phoning dilli like the dravidian politicos used to do during the "showering in a raincoat" era and getting their fishermen released illegally from SL custody was easy. There was always a political price to pay

Not so easy nowadays with the rajapaksa and Modi govts in place. NATSEC always takes precedence, even over the well deserved कुटाई of some "fishermen"

Every offer by the IN and ICG to escort these fishing boats to ensure their safety has been rejected, as well as, vehemently opposed by these dravidian politicos.

One wonders as to why that is so
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Vips wrote:Fishermen of Tamil Nadu who were apprehended by the Sri lankan Navy for fishing on our border have been tried in the court and the judge has set an amount of Rs 1 crore for releasing each fishermen on bail!!!
Even otherwise there have been reports of how sri lankan military forces have been violent with our fishermen after catching them.
To be frank, there is no love lost between Sri Lankan Sinhalas and Tamils (of any kind, Indian or Sri Lankan). The history of last 20-30 years will clearly give us the reasons. So Sri Lankan forces are going to be vary of any kind of Tamil movement between India and Sri Lanka. LTTE used to literally freak out in the short stretch of sea between northern Sri Lanka and coastal Tamil Nadu. And their helpers were mainly the fishing folk who had expertise in sea navigation. Keeping all that in mind, Indian fishermen should not expect very favourable treatment from Sri Lankan side (and vice versa as well). Statements such as "Grant permission to Tamil Nadu to help Sri Lankan Tamils" coming from the Indian side also is not going to give any positive vibes for the Sri Lankans.

I for sure, still will not believe that politicians in TN have shed their sympathies to terror outfits like LTTE. Given a chance they really want such outfits back in action. It is only their situation - they are part of Indian Union - which is now holding them back.
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Sri Lanka has defaulted officially on its entire 51B$ external debt pending bailout from IMF. Creditors were free to capitalise any interest payments due to them or opt for payback in Sri Lankan rupees, Sri Lanka's finance ministry said.

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1513774487741034497

Wow, more daring than the Pakis... may be because they have less H&D to worry about and less ummah friends who can throw some alms.
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^ And they think expect big brother India to feel obligated to help them out
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I think we will, and have to... we can't let such a disaster sink an entire country next to us and do nothing as a regional power. But anything substantial and enduring cannot be done without taking some control of the Govt and the administration. Things have to slide further into an emergency situation before we can intervene.

They are still touting idiotic projects like Colombo Port City while the entire country is collapsing around them.
https://theprint.in/diplomacy/crisis-hi ... st/883643/
Some more pain needs to occur before reality sinks in.
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Manish_P wrote:^ And they think expect big brother India to feel obligated to help them out
India will limit her exposure. Going beyond a point will benefit the cheenis

the rajapaksa gang and their entitled supporters are simply not worth the trouble

apart from the lines of credit already extended, some food grains, a little fuel, medicines, fertilizer, and cooking gas etc will be all that they will get from India

not much of what is sent will anyway reach the common people.

not seeing any reports of "aid" from NGOs and other govts, meaning that a larger game plan may be in play
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Cyrano wrote:I think we will, and have to... we can't let such a disaster sink an entire country next to us and do nothing as a regional power. But anything substantial and enduring cannot be done without taking some control of the Govt and the administration. Things have to slide further into an emergency situation before we can intervene.

They are still touting idiotic projects like Colombo Port City while the entire country is collapsing around them.
https://theprint.in/diplomacy/crisis-hi ... st/883643/
Some more pain needs to occur before reality sinks in.
we need a realistic read on how much of the cheeni bribe money has been spirited out of the country by the SL mafia famiglia.

the cheeni parasites are still sucking up the blood from the SL host
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So easy to Honey Trap Politicians in 3rd world (perhaps even 1st world) Democracies, bribe them with women and money. Get them to accept over priced useless Infrastructure and in case of default buy it back pennies to a dollar and convert it to a military base. Essentially Srilanka made a massive useless port and sold it to China for free which got a military base by stealth. Brilliant strategy by the Chinese.

Hambantota is to China what Hong Kong was to UK.
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Can India propose to accept Srilanka becoming a state of India in return for paying their debts? Does that make sense?
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chetak wrote:...
apart from the lines of credit already extended, some food grains, a little fuel, medicines, fertilizer, and cooking gas etc will be all that they will get from India
..
Land, sir, land.

I always feel we should ask for land in return for our assistance. If any future SL government want the land back they can pay us back, at the rate we quote (heck we baniyas will even consider giving them a good discount :) ). If they dont have money at that time, let them take loan from China, IMF or whoever they want...

The SL politicos have just looked at their brothers across the straits and feel that they have figured out how to milk the indian central government.
It's only the fact that they are an island, far from any other countries, which is stopping them from adopting jihadistan tactics of putting a gun to their own head and threatening to spatter it over your freshly painted decor unless you give in to their 'rightful' demands.
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tandav wrote:So easy to Honey Trap Politicians in 3rd world (perhaps even 1st world) Democracies, bribe them with women and money. Get them to accept over priced useless Infrastructure and in case of default buy it back pennies to a dollar and convert it to a military base. Essentially Srilanka made a massive useless port and borrowed money from China at usurious rates to pay Chinese companies and labour to build a massive useless port and then sold it to China for free which got a military base by stealth. Brilliant strategy by the Chinese.

Hambantota is to China what Hong Kong was to UK.
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Bart S wrote:
tandav wrote:So easy to Honey Trap Politicians in 3rd world (perhaps even 1st world) Democracies, bribe them with women and money. Get them to accept over priced useless Infrastructure and in case of default buy it back pennies to a dollar and convert it to a military base. Essentially Srilanka made a massive useless port and borrowed money from China at usurious rates to pay Chinese companies and labour to build a massive useless port and then sold it to China for free which got a military base by stealth. Brilliant strategy by the Chinese.

Hambantota is to China what Hong Kong was to UK.
^exactly that

Now let the lankans give us land (say barter in return for our aid) & we can have our own base right next to the chinese... :mrgreen:
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tandav wrote:Can India propose to accept Srilanka becoming a state of India in return for paying their debts? Does that make sense?
I am for it. The entire island was part of Bharat prior to the Brits. SriLanka is a Dharmic culture so we in India can easily integrate with them. Also the Tamil population is wanting closer ties with India and will be a win-win. Another state in the Union and we kick out the Chinese (which is cost of the debts). The Debts are mainly due to pilferages by the ruling class of Sri Lanka. Debts should be manageable over the long run.
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For a nation which has tasted sovereignty, it will be difficult to be integrated so quickly into India. So, first step has to be an EU kind of union with common currency, foreign and defence policy. People movement will also have to be free but if Lankans feel overwhelmed by Indians buying prime properties may generate resentment. So, it has to be slow integration.

There is no doubt Sri Lanka should be within indias orbit otherwise it will be one of the biggest security blunder ever.
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Great powers fall when they overextend. India is still on its way to become a great power. Overextending at this point of time is not a good idea.

Why this fascination among so many members to absorb SL ? Just to realise some romantic idea of Akhand Bharat? Those who advocate this idea, please give some cogent arguments how it will help India and its upward trajectory. I'm curious to understand what's being this idea.
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^^^
When countries like China annex Sinkiang, Tibet, artificial islands, covet the entire SCS, the world almost accepts the fait accompli. They have occupied Aksai Chin and keep intruding into Ladak and all we can do is protest and spend heavily to defend the territory. The Chinese have bamboozled all countries to accept their vague concept of 'One China' which includes Taiwan.

Similarly with Russia annexing Crimea and now parts of Ukraine.

In our own backyard, we have seen Terroristan occupying GB and POK that is causing all kinds of problems. Similarly not reconfiguring Bangladesh during the 1971 war still leaves the 'Chicken's neck' problem as well as no port access to the North East. Similarly Bhutan area resulted in the Dokhlam problem.

Going back in time, during the partition we did not incorporate Balochistan and now we are doing all kinds of twists and turns over Chinese occupation of Gwadar and courting the Iranians for Chabhar.

Apart from meek protestations, we saw SL hand over Hambantota and docking of Chinese warships there.

The sooner India has 'control' of lands in its neighborhood, the better it will be strategically. The sooner it is done, the better. Else the cost of protecting the country will increase disproportionately. We have seen this with the amount of spending on defense to contain Terroristan. We now talk of a 2 front or 2 1/2 front war situation. If the Chinese lap up countries in our backyard, we will be in a cycle of weak-kneed, meek protestation and whining about 'string of pearls' and excessive defense spending.

Patel incorporated all those princely states, including Goa and Hyderabad into the union. Else, just imagine the nightmarish scenario we would have had. India should have its own version of 'nine-dash line'/ 'string of pearls' etc. in its backyard. Also, it is high time to stop playing defense and adopt a more offensive posture. Take the fight to their doorstep, rather than them coming and causing a problem in your backyard.

We have seen successful integration of West and East Germany. The USA/ UK and France have territories far-far away from their mainlands and are able to project power when needed.

It is high time we stopped this nonsense of 'Gandugiri' and 'we have never invaded any country' narratives. Playing defense resulted in the Islamic barbarians invading India and establishing Islamic states.
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For some perspective of how strategic it is to own/control land, here are some examples:
USA: Louisiana purchase, Alaska, California and Texas, Diego Garcia, Samoa
UK - Falkland Islands, HK(till they handed it over to the Chinese), Islands in the Caribbean
Russia - South Ossetia, Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk (and now most of the eastern parts of Ukraine with access to the Black Sea)
France - Polynesia, Reunion, New Caledonia, Islands in the Caribbean
China - HK, Macau, Hambantota, Gwadar
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Manish_P wrote:
chetak wrote:...
apart from the lines of credit already extended, some food grains, a little fuel, medicines, fertilizer, and cooking gas etc will be all that they will get from India
..
Land, sir, land.

I always feel we should ask for land in return for our assistance. If any future SL government want the land back they can pay us back, at the rate we quote (heck we baniyas will even consider giving them a good discount :) ). If they dont have money at that time, let them take loan from China, IMF or whoever they want...

The SL politicos have just looked at their brothers across the straits and feel that they have figured out how to milk the indian central government.
It's only the fact that they are an island, far from any other countries, which is stopping them from adopting jihadistan tactics of putting a gun to their own head and threatening to spatter it over your freshly painted decor unless you give in to their 'rightful' demands.
People here fail to see that the very same BIF forces that are out to subdue, decimate, balkanize and destroy India are the ones most active in SL too

The downfall of the SL has been plotted and planned for some decades now

It gathered steam very soon after the complete destruction of the ltte tigers which was a wholly unacceptable situation for the BIF led international cabal

Tiny SL, not only had the gumption but also the will to wipe out the terrorists and that too, in the face of fierce opposition from the very same India focussed BIF

After a 26-year military campaign, the SL armed forces militarily defeated the tamil tigers in may 2009, bringing the civil war to an end.

no other country in the world has shown this kind of ruthlessness in recent times. For this single act the SLs are to be applauded but, this was not what the international cabal wanted and so the "sanctions" kicked in along with the harassment of investigations into the "human rights violations" that practically isolated SL from the resources that are usually and easily available to other countries

so those idiot rajapaksas, in their greed and a twisted effort to show up the international cabal, made a desperate deal with the the cheeni devil himself, in spite of India cautioning them several times.


The SLs have been under an international regime of debilitating and undeclared sanctions since the year 2009 , No one sent aid or gave money for reconstruction or helped out in any other way and people who came to "help", including India had, what was seen by the SLs as humiliating and unacceptable preconditions.

these sanctions were slyly enforced under the pretense of "human rights" violations

and the proof of all this is that even today, no "foreign" aid worth the name has been/is forthcoming. India is still under some ill imagined outreach program dictated by the failed policy of vasudaiva kutumbakam which every evil neighbour of India has sheltered under and shamelessly taken advantage of while openly spitting in our face

There is a regime change operation under way and the cheeni are propping up the rajapaksas and protecting their investments. and the desert cults are the ones that are openly active to effect demographic primacy.

The dravidians are a part and parcel of this evil coterie.

once the clique are done with the SLs, they will redouble their efforts in India's many border states as many people here are already aware of

and into this cesspool, some guys merrily want India to wade in and also to pressurize the SLs to barter their land away, and to what advantage for either party is not clear

we already have defence forces covering the cheeni hambanthota port, all safe and very close by on the Indian mainland.

How much closer do you want or need to get and for what..........

The IN can blockade hambanthota at will and make sure that all commercial traffic is diverted away from the colombo port which is a major money spinner for the SLs.
If, by any chance, circumstances arise for India to enforce a blockade on hambanthota, it is almost certain that India will also squeeze the cheeni testimonials in the straits of malacca.

Thus, SL and the cheeni, both are holding a losing hand

The rajapaksas and the cheeni are well aware of all this because these rajapaksa fools along with the cheeni are holding a losing hand because the cheenis key “investments” in south asia aimed primarily at cornering India, but their client states of SL and pukistan, are in the process of rapidly going kaput because of inadequate risk assessment and uncertain understanding of the local dynamics by the cheenis.

The SL and the paki army will never be able to provide a safe "investment" climate for the cheeni, in the way that the cheeni wanted and depended on these two entities to deliver.

The mess is SL and pukestan have simply spun out of cheeni control
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RCase wrote:^^^
When countries like China annex Sinkiang, Tibet, artificial islands, covet the entire SCS, the world almost accepts the fait accompli. They have occupied Aksai Chin and keep intruding into Ladak and all we can do is protest and spend heavily to defend the territory. The Chinese have bamboozled all countries to accept their vague concept of 'One China' which includes Taiwan.

Similarly with Russia annexing Crimea and now parts of Ukraine.

In our own backyard, we have seen Terroristan occupying GB and POK that is causing all kinds of problems. Similarly not reconfiguring Bangladesh during the 1971 war still leaves the 'Chicken's neck' problem as well as no port access to the North East. Similarly Bhutan area resulted in the Dokhlam problem.

Going back in time, during the partition we did not incorporate Balochistan and now we are doing all kinds of twists and turns over Chinese occupation of Gwadar and courting the Iranians for Chabhar.

Apart from meek protestations, we saw SL hand over Hambantota and docking of Chinese warships there.

The sooner India has 'control' of lands in its neighborhood, the better it will be strategically. The sooner it is done, the better. Else the cost of protecting the country will increase disproportionately. We have seen this with the amount of spending on defense to contain Terroristan. We now talk of a 2 front or 2 1/2 front war situation. If the Chinese lap up countries in our backyard, we will be in a cycle of weak-kneed, meek protestation and whining about 'string of pearls' and excessive defense spending.

Patel incorporated all those princely states, including Goa and Hyderabad into the union. Else, just imagine the nightmarish scenario we would have had. India should have its own version of 'nine-dash line'/ 'string of pearls' etc. in its backyard. Also, it is high time to stop playing defense and adopt a more offensive posture. Take the fight to their doorstep, rather than them coming and causing a problem in your backyard.

We have seen successful integration of West and East Germany. The USA/ UK and France have territories far-far away from their mainlands and are able to project power when needed.

It is high time we stopped this nonsense of 'Gandugiri' and 'we have never invaded any country' narratives. Playing defense resulted in the Islamic barbarians invading India and establishing Islamic states.
In other words, India needs to take some bold decisions by conducting a cost-benefit analysis by comparing the projected or estimated costs and benefits (or opportunities) associated with annexing or integrating SL to determine whether it makes sense from a strategic and economic perspective. That is, we need to ponder why Ukraine is matter the most to Russians, Taiwan is to the Chinese, Cuba is to the Americans and Sri Lanka is to the Indians.
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cost benefit analysis indeed....

with a bunch of entitled, violent, and supremacist bunch of India hating buddhists

and also including an inherently separatist dravidian cabal whose dreams of eelam are not going to go away, and more jehadis, and abrahamics flooding into the only homeland that we have.

The minute one starts to do this, lakhs of paki jehadis will immediately clamor for and will surely get SL citizenship, not to mention other kattarpanthi abhramics. The sinhala politicos and babooze will sell SL citizenships just like any enterprising and resourceful Indians will do and the majority buyers will be the pakis and the beedis.

and some people want the four SL and essentially inflammable enemies of India to be integrated, and that too, after a cost benefit analysis, if you please

there are only costs and absolutely no benefits to India so, no thanks

cheen will not vacate from SL because it has a legally signed lease for 99 years, and whether you pay them or not, they will not budge an inch and in fact they will insist on being paid in full with interest. Per terms of the lease, all disputes will be adjudicated in cheeni courts onlee.

There will have to be at least two referendums, at the very minimum and many countries in the world will, very vocally, clamour for a referendum in cashmere as well. what then...

No govt will have the mandate to do this on their own, no matter how many seats they may be crapping on in the Indian parliament

The era of vasudhaiv kutumbakam is long over.

It’s now the time for “वीर भोग्या वसुंधरा”
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chetak wrote:....
we already have defence forces covering the cheeni hambanthota port, all safe and very close by on the Indian mainland.

How much closer do you want or need to get and for what..........

The IN can blockade hambanthota at will and make sure that all commercial traffic is diverted away from the colombo port which is a major money spinner for the SLs.
If, by any chance, circumstances arise for India to enforce a blockade on hambanthota, it is almost certain that India will also squeeze the cheeni testimonials in the straits of malacca.

...
Chetak sir, It is not a question of being 'close'.. it is a question of being 'upon'. There is a big difference - one which cannot be solved by just long range artillery or missiles or ICBMs.. If that was the case the powers mentioned by RCase would not be squatting on territories thousands of miles away from their Mainland. India of ancient times was close/right next to Iran. Now it is not. India of more recent times was close/touched Afghanistan. Now it does not.
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Why not SLankans are not being instigated against the Cheenis holding their land?
How come thousands of the Cheenis working there are not running scared?
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Kati wrote:Why not SLankans are not being instigated against the Cheenis holding their land?
How come thousands of the Cheenis working there are not running scared?
everyone including the amerikis are schitt scared of them

only Modi seems comfortable and confident in defying them
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Manish_P wrote:
chetak wrote:....
we already have defence forces covering the cheeni hambanthota port, all safe and very close by on the Indian mainland.

How much closer do you want or need to get and for what..........

The IN can blockade hambanthota at will and make sure that all commercial traffic is diverted away from the colombo port which is a major money spinner for the SLs.
If, by any chance, circumstances arise for India to enforce a blockade on hambanthota, it is almost certain that India will also squeeze the cheeni testimonials in the straits of malacca.

...
Chetak sir, It is not a question of being 'close'.. it is a question of being 'upon'. There is a big difference - one which cannot be solved by just long range artillery or missiles or ICBMs.. If that was the case the powers mentioned by RCase would not be squatting on territories thousands of miles away from their Mainland. India of ancient times was close/right next to Iran. Now it is not. India of more recent times was close/touched Afghanistan. Now it does not.
Manish_P ji,

Take it for granted that, come what may, the cheeni will not vacate hambantota port and other assets that they have control over in SL unless force is used and which country will use force to push out the cheenis and to help out SL.

India will certainly not precipitate any war with the cheeni over SL unless the cheeni directly threaten our national security in the south using massed cheeni forces based out of SL

By some chance, if the cheeni do give way and get out of SL on their own, they will also be forced to give way in many other countries as well

and their OBOR investments will be wiped out

and these heaven born will lose their all important "face" to lesser countries and inferior laowai

so when we have no way to vacate the hans from SL, the next best thing is a military base and offensive military assets very close by which is the Indian mainland

the assets held faraway by other european countries are not in any danger because unlike the cheeni, these gora countries are no threat to any other country(s) in the IOR. Both the cheeni and the SLs see India as a military threat, given the nature of the anti India hanky panky that these two have together gotten up to and India sees a reciprocal threat from both of these duplicitous partners, the threats from cheeni by their acts of commission and the threats from the SLs by their acts of omission

eyran and afghanistan were historically tied to India and that too, only via the land route through which they invaded. This land route has been blocked off by the obdurate pakis so we have been forced to open the chabahaar port route and that is not going so well for India because of eyeran's greedy intransigence.

India's main interest is in the CAR so the eyranians, as well as, the afghanis are quite cagey in granting full and easy access to India. They both see India as a soft and powerless country that can be easily taken for a ride by them

french and britshit territories, including diego garcia in the IOR are threats only for the cheenis and the NOKOs. Other countries just don't care because the amerikis, the french, and, the britshits are not hostile to their interests (yet)

under these circumstances, it's best that we maintain a close vigil on cheeni assets in SL and position from the Indian mainland as and when required

SL will charge us huge money in the 3-500 million$ range, at the very minimum, if not more, for basing our forces in their territory, if indeed they allow us to do so at all.

The SLs have had a very long standing antipathy towards India. If indeed, they were well wishers of India, in any form whatsoever, they would not have struck such a dangerously dirty deal with India's biggest enemy and made themselves a party to pose a huge threat to India's security situation.

The pakis too have a considerable influence over sections of the SL govt
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it's best that we maintain a close vigil on cheeni assets in SL and position from the Indian mainland as and when required

SL will charge us huge money in the 3-500 million$ range, at the very minimum, if not more, for basing our forces in their territory, if indeed they allow us to do so at all.
Chetak ji,
We are already offering SL lines of credit many times that amount, with no hope of getting any of it back. I like the idea of a military base on SL, will help us better monitor ME to SE-Asia shipping lines, look farther into Indian Ocean all the way to Diego Garcia, Djibouti, Seychelles, Maldives, Madagascar, Mauritius, La Réunion. Will effectively neuter Colombo Port City and Hambantotta, and bring SL under our security umbrella.

Will justify continued aid we will any way end up giving SL for years to come.

Its a much better option than the headache of integrating and managing SL.
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chetak wrote:..
Take it for granted that, come what may, the cheeni will not vacate hambantota port and other assets that they have control over in SL unless force is used and which country will use force to push out the cheenis and to help out SL.
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so when we have no way to vacate the hans from SL, the next best thing is a military base and offensive military assets very close by which is the Indian mainland
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Chetak ji, much junior to you in experience so pls. no ji

Agree 100% on the points in your post

Specifically coming to getting land on SL, what i was trying to say, rather incoherently, was it should be made clear to our neighbours that the cost of their flirting with the enemy will not come cheap... they will have to pay us for their stupidity, wilful as it is. And the payment will not be in the form of money or manpower, which we have plenty of! It will be in the form of Land/Territory.

A permanent sharp & immovable reminder of the cost of their stupidity or more accurately their ill-will towards us.
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Cyrano wrote:... I like the idea of a military base on SL, will help us better monitor ME to SE-Asia shipping lines, look farther into Indian Ocean all the way to Diego Garcia, Djibouti, Seychelles, Maldives, Madagascar, Mauritius, La Réunion. Will effectively neuter Colombo Port City and Hambantotta, and bring SL under our security umbrella.
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+1

Heck in addition to the millitary base, we can offer to build a huge rest & relaxation complex. Give our hardy jawans, especially those coming off duty from siachen, a nice sunny holiday on those sri lankan beaches.. right next to the sweating Cheeni toy soldiers :mrgreen:
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Manish_P wrote:
Cyrano wrote:... I like the idea of a military base on SL, will help us better monitor ME to SE-Asia shipping lines, look farther into Indian Ocean all the way to Diego Garcia, Djibouti, Seychelles, Maldives, Madagascar, Mauritius, La Réunion. Will effectively neuter Colombo Port City and Hambantotta, and bring SL under our security umbrella.
...
+1

Heck in addition to the millitary base, we can offer to build a huge rest & relaxation complex. Give our hardy jawans, especially those coming off duty from siachen, a nice sunny holiday on those sri lankan beaches.. right next to the sweating Cheeni toy soldiers :mrgreen:
Moi, Being dirty minded, I pray please explain what the two dots mean here (..) :mrgreen:
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Today's New:
Ahead of the World Bank(WB) and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) Spring meetings in Washington next week, Sri Lanka is seeking India’s assistance in garnering at least $3 billion in “bridging finance” from the international community. Colombo has reached out to Delhi and Beijing for $3 billion in ‘bridge finance’.

Time for India to put certain conditions on such loans. Maybe a berthing area for the Indian Navy in Trincomalee right next to the Chinese.
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China Hesitates on Bailing Out Sri Lanka, Pakistan as Debt Soars
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/china-hesit ... -1.1751613
(Bloomberg) -- Over the past few years, the U.S. has accused China of using “debt diplomacy” to make developing nations across the world more dependent on Beijing.

Yet the cases of Sri Lanka and Pakistan -- both friends of China facing dire financial situations as inflation soars -- show that President Xi Jinping’s government is becoming more reluctant to pull out the checkbook. China still hasn’t made good on a pledge to re-issue loans totaling $4 billion that Pakistan repaid in late March, and it hasn’t responded to Sri Lanka’s pleas for $2.5 billion in credit support.

While China has pledged to help both countries, the more cautious approach reflects both a refining of Xi’s signature Belt and Road Initiative as well as a hesitancy to be seen interfering in messy domestic political situations. Pakistan got a new prime minister on Monday after parliament booted out former cricket star Imran Khan, and Sri Lanka’s leader is facing pressure from protesters to step down.

“Beijing has for the past couple of years been rethinking its external lending because their banks realized they were carrying a lot of debt with countries whose prospects of paying back were quite limited,” said Raffaello Pantucci, a senior fellow at the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies at Nanyang Technological University. “This came on top of a tightening economic situation at home which also required a lot of spending, so there was less appetite to just throw money around wantonly.”

China is currently facing its own economic troubles, with lockdowns to contain the country’s worst Covid outbreak since early 2020 shutting down the technology and financial hubs of Shanghai and Shenzhen. Premier Li Keqiang on Monday told local authorities they should “add a sense of urgency” when implementing policies as analysts warn the official growth target of a 5.5% is now in jeopardy.

China has become the world’s largest government creditor over the past decade, with its state-owned policy banks lending more to developing countries than the International Monetary Fund or the World Bank in some recent years. The opacity around the terms and scale of some of that lending has been criticized, especially as the pandemic exacerbates debt problems in poorer countries.

Sri Lanka’s top diplomat in Beijing this week said he was “very confident” that China will come through with credit support, including $1 billion for the country to repay existing Chinese loans due in July. In an interview with Bloomberg, Ambassador Palitha Kohona said the process often takes months and he didn’t see any delay.

“Given the current circumstances, there aren’t that many countries that can step out to the pitch and do something,” he said. “China is one of those countries that can do something very quickly.”

Still, China’s role in helping to resolve ongoing crises in South Asia may be limited despite its status as a major creditor. A Shanghai-based scholar who researches China’s overseas lending said new credit lines are harder to approve as authorities emphasize risk management at financial institutions including policy banks. The scholar asked not to be named due to rules for speaking with the media.

‘Small But Beautiful’

Xi highlighted the importance of a more cautious approach at a high-level Belt and Road symposium in November. “It is necessary to implement risk prevention and control systems,” Xi said. He called on participants to make “small but beautiful” projects a priority for foreign cooperation and “avoid dangerous and chaotic places.”

Earlier this month, Jin Liqun, president of the China-backed Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, encouraged Sri Lanka to turn to the IMF for help in a meeting with Kohona.

China’s development banks are acting to preserve returns and it “would be difficult for them to easily accede to Sri Lanka’s requests for deferrals,” said Matthew Mingey, a senior analyst at Rhodium Group’s China Macro & Policy team who researches economic diplomacy.

‘Sinking Ships’

“Credit conditions back in China aren’t making things any easier for them,” he added. “Ultimately, Sri Lanka needs the IMF.”

Sri Lanka said Tuesday it would expedite talks with the IMF after it halted payments on foreign debt to preserve dollars for essential food and fuel imports. Pakistan’s new government also plans to work with the IMF to stabilize the economy, according to Miftah Ismail, a former finance minister and a senior ruling party leader.

China’s ability to assist either country with a balance-of-payments crisis is limited, particularly as Beijing’s financial assistance is almost always tied to specific projects, said Muttukrishna Sarvananthan, principle researcher at the Point Pedro Institute of Development in Sri Lanka. China’s policy of non-interference in internal affairs prevents it from offering the type of advice needed for countries to emerge out of a financial crisis, he added.

“Even the IMF appears to be moving very slowly -- if not abandoning -- the requests of both Pakistan and Sri Lanka for their assistance,” Sarvananthan said. “Which sane bilateral donor country or international financial institution would pour money into sinking ships in both Pakistan and Sri Lanka.”
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It will be good if SL goes to the IMF. Apart from cutting the dependence on China, the IMF (like they did with Pakistan) can force them to disclose the terms of the Chinese loans taken in the past (which are usually not disclosed due to Chinese pressure).

It's also a significant leverage for the non-Chinese bloc. India should ensure that any IMF plan has strict terms and strings attached.
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Is India getting into an ill advised bidding war with China???

India open to additional $2 bln aid for Sri Lanka with eye on China - sources
MUMBAI/NEW DELHI, April 13 (Reuters) - India is willing to commit up to another $2 billion in financial assistance to Sri Lanka while also supporting the island nation with food and fuel, five sources told Reuters, as New Delhi tries to regain ground lost to China in recent years..............


............."We are definitely looking to help them out and are willing to offer more swap lines and loans," said an Indian source aware of various discussions with Sri Lanka.

A senior government source in New Delhi said Sri Lanka's warning on Tuesday of defaulting on debt payments was a worry, but that "we can still give them up to $2 billion in swaps and support". read more

Another source familiar with Sri Lanka's thinking said it was seeking India's help to roll over some $2 billion in dues, such as those owed to the South Asia-focussed Asian Clearing Union. The source said the response had been positive from India...............

.......India has so far committed $1.9 billion to Sri Lanka in loans, credit lines and currency swaps. Sri Lanka has also sought another $500 million credit line for fuel.

China has extended a $1.3 billion syndicated loan and a $1.5 billion-yuan denominated swap, while negotiations are ongoing for more loans and credit lines.

One of the sources said New Delhi was keen for its southern neighbour to cut its reliance on China. Sri Lanka has an outstanding debt of about $3.5 billion with China - or 10.8% of the island's total - and Beijing has also built ports and roads in the country.
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India open to additional $2 bln aid for Sri Lanka with eye on China - sources.

India is willing to commit up to another $2 billion in financial assistance to Sri Lanka while also supporting the island nation with food and fuel, five sources told Reuters, as New Delhi tries to regain ground lost to China in recent years.

Sri Lanka, hit by its worst economic crisis since independence in 1948 and on the brink of its first debt default, has been asking friendly nations including India and China for credit lines, food and energy. The Asian giants have already committed billions of dollars in financial support.

"We are definitely looking to help them out and are willing to offer more swap lines and loans," said an Indian source aware of various discussions with Sri Lanka.

A senior government source in New Delhi said Sri Lanka's warning on Tuesday of defaulting on debt payments was a worry, but that "we can still give them up to $2 billion in swaps and support". read more

Another source familiar with Sri Lanka's thinking said it was seeking India's help to roll over some $2 billion in dues, such as those owed to the South Asia-focused Asian Clearing Union. The source said the response had been positive from India.

All the sources had direct knowledge of the matter or had been briefed on it, but they declined to be named as the discussions were private.

India's government and its central bank, as well as Sri Lanka's foreign and finance ministries, did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

India has so far committed $1.9 billion to Sri Lanka in loans, credit lines and currency swaps. Sri Lanka has also sought another $500 million credit line for fuel.

China has extended a $1.3 billion syndicated loan and a $1.5 billion-yuan denominated swap, while negotiations are ongoing for more loans and credit lines. read more

One of the sources said New Delhi was keen for its southern neighbour to cut its reliance on China. Sri Lanka has an outstanding debt of about $3.5 billion with China - or 10.8% of the island's total - and Beijing has also built ports and roads in the country. read more

"We want them to reduce their debt levels from China and we want to become stronger partners," said the source.

India has also sent ships with sugar, rice and wheat - items of which it has a surplus, unlike China - to Sri Lanka ahead of the country's Sinhala and Tamil New Year on Thursday.

Four of the sources said though New Delhi had not formally made cutting Sri Lanka's reliance on Beijing a condition for offering help, it had been able to make the Sri Lankans realise that it was in a better position to support them than China.

Sri Lanka is due to formally start loan negotiations with the International Monetary Fund on Monday, and one of the Indian sources said that would be critical in New Delhi agreeing to more aid for the country.

Sri Lanka's central bank said on Tuesday it had become "challenging and impossible" to repay external debt, as it tries to use its dwindling foreign exchange reserves to import essentials like fuel. Street protests have gone on for more than a month against shortages of fuel, food, power and medicine
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ldev wrote:Is India getting into an ill advised bidding war with China???

India open to additional $2 bln aid for Sri Lanka with eye on China - sources
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i think all that money, at least the loans are to buy indian materials
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Looks like Nepali turn next !

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Tuan wrote: In other words, India needs to take some bold decisions by conducting a cost-benefit analysis by comparing the projected or estimated costs and benefits (or opportunities) associated with annexing or integrating SL to determine whether it makes sense from a strategic and economic perspective. That is, we need to ponder why Ukraine is matter the most to Russians, Taiwan is to the Chinese, Cuba is to the Americans and Sri Lanka is to the Indians.
If a corporate M&A approach is taken, I would be in favor of integration.

Benefits:
- Strategic presence and control of IOR, especially in conjunction with A&N islands
- Huge opportunity for trans-shipment and cargo handling
- Will not have to incur additional costs in future to deploy army and airforce to counter adversaries in the south
- Increased Navy muscle and reconnaissance
- Tourism from mainland, including cruise liners will increase GDP
- Cultural tourism and pilgrimage circuit
- Possibility of rail and road links between island and mainland for increased trade.
- Better educational and employment opportunities for SL folks
- Better exploitation of natural resources
- Investment and development of SL by India companies. Don't have to take crippling debt. Heck, our business guys are adept at greasing the skids for the politicians, Hence the SL politicos will still make their buck.
- Eliminates Paki threat from using SL
- Eliminates Chini mischief from the south
- Probably might help ISRO rocket launches.
- Cultural and linguistic similarities as well as existing family and tourism ties


Integration Issues:
- SL has a population of about 21M. This would put them around 24th in state wise population of India. Very similar to the population of Nagaland. (Nepal with a population of 29M is also in the similar pole position, roughly equivalent to Meghalaya)
- Sinhala population is about 75%. Rest are Tamils and other minorities. Yes, a percent of the Sinhala population may be anti-India. That demographic will always be there. We even have anti-India folks (BIF) living in India and still manage to forge ahead.
- India has a demonstrated ability of integrating over 500 princely states into a union. With present federal setup, states have autonomy and maintain their linguistic and cultural heritage. The SL politicos can be local satraps like the TMC/ DMK/ AIDMK/ NCP etc.
- SL Tamils and Eelam - this ship has already sailed. The Tamils were discriminated by the Sinhalese (ala TSP treating its minorities). There are no delusions either on mainland or on the island for a breakaway Tamil 'country'. I would posit that the SL Tamils with familial ties to mainland would be supportive of integration as their prospects for better rights and access would be met in the Indian constitution.
- External debt - We tell the Chinis to take a haircut. Happens all the time with M&A. Their legal paper in Chinese is not worth the paper it is printed on. We need to remind them of our 'Akhand Bharat policy' that they need to respect. There is already precedence set by the Chinis of not recognizing international arbitration.

Timing:
- The West is busy dealing with taking care of 'Blue eyed, Blond' folks just like them. That will be their priority
- Cheen is busy battling Covid in Shanghai and eyeing Taiwan, while being wary of Unkil, AUKUS etc.
- Rus just green lighted integration of Crimea and parts of Ukraine. Donetsk, Luhansk and pretty soon the eastern part of Ukr will be fait accompli. Also they have been able to expose the toothlessness of the west.
- SL economy is up $h,t creek, with no paddle. Even if they get an IMF bailout, it will implode.
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Nepal needs a similar integration / M&A plan like SL. Timing is also right. Will decrease our need for insulin (armed forces expenditure) due to Sugalland.
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RCase wrote:Nepal needs a similar integration / M&A plan like SL. Timing is also right. Will decrease our need for insulin (armed forces expenditure) due to Sugalland.
the entire crisis in nepal was choreographed by the congis including making it a "secular" country. It has BIF written all over it

the person whom the congis sent to "negiotiate" with the nepali dissidents was yech-ury who used the opportunity and opened the door to the cheenis and pushed the cheeni trojan horse in

even today, slimy yech-ury is a cheeni slave and bootlicker

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RCase wrote:
Tuan wrote: In other words, India needs to take some bold decisions by conducting a cost-benefit analysis by comparing the projected or estimated costs and benefits (or opportunities) associated with annexing or integrating SL to determine whether it makes sense from a strategic and economic perspective. That is, we need to ponder why Ukraine is matter the most to Russians, Taiwan is to the Chinese, Cuba is to the Americans and Sri Lanka is to the Indians.
If a corporate M&A approach is taken, I would be in favor of integration.

Benefits:
- Strategic presence and control of IOR, especially in conjunction with A&N islands
- Huge opportunity for trans-shipment and cargo handling
- Will not have to incur additional costs in future to deploy army and airforce to counter adversaries in the south
- Increased Navy muscle and reconnaissance
- Tourism from mainland, including cruise liners will increase GDP
- Cultural tourism and pilgrimage circuit
- Possibility of rail and road links between island and mainland for increased trade.
- Better educational and employment opportunities for SL folks
- Better exploitation of natural resources
- Investment and development of SL by India companies. Don't have to take crippling debt. Heck, our business guys are adept at greasing the skids for the politicians, Hence the SL politicos will still make their buck.
- Eliminates Paki threat from using SL
- Eliminates Chini mischief from the south
- Probably might help ISRO rocket launches.
- Cultural and linguistic similarities as well as existing family and tourism ties


Integration Issues:
- SL has a population of about 21M. This would put them around 24th in state wise population of India. Very similar to the population of Nagaland. (Nepal with a population of 29M is also in the similar pole position, roughly equivalent to Meghalaya)
- Sinhala population is about 75%. Rest are Tamils and other minorities. Yes, a percent of the Sinhala population may be anti-India. That demographic will always be there. We even have anti-India folks (BIF) living in India and still manage to forge ahead.
- India has a demonstrated ability of integrating over 500 princely states into a union. With present federal setup, states have autonomy and maintain their linguistic and cultural heritage. The SL politicos can be local satraps like the TMC/ DMK/ AIDMK/ NCP etc.
- SL Tamils and Eelam - this ship has already sailed. The Tamils were discriminated by the Sinhalese (ala TSP treating its minorities). There are no delusions either on mainland or on the island for a breakaway Tamil 'country'. I would posit that the SL Tamils with familial ties to mainland would be supportive of integration as their prospects for better rights and access would be met in the Indian constitution.
- External debt - We tell the Chinis to take a haircut. Happens all the time with M&A. Their legal paper in Chinese is not worth the paper it is printed on. We need to remind them of our 'Akhand Bharat policy' that they need to respect. There is already precedence set by the Chinis of not recognizing international arbitration.

Timing:
- The West is busy dealing with taking care of 'Blue eyed, Blond' folks just like them. That will be their priority
- Cheen is busy battling Covid in Shanghai and eyeing Taiwan, while being wary of Unkil, AUKUS etc.
- Rus just green lighted integration of Crimea and parts of Ukraine. Donetsk, Luhansk and pretty soon the eastern part of Ukr will be fait accompli. Also they have been able to expose the toothlessness of the west.
- SL economy is up $h,t creek, with no paddle. Even if they get an IMF bailout, it will implode.
You missed paramount importance:

Cost:
- $2.5 Billion Indian line of credit plus 11,000 megatons of Indian rice (Sri Lanka just announced that it would be defaulting on all of its external debt of $51 billion :lol: )
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RCase wrote:Nepal needs a similar integration / M&A plan like SL. Timing is also right. Will decrease our need for insulin (armed forces expenditure) due to Sugalland.
It is high time for "One India" or "Indian Union" with the entire countries within the subcontinent. India should bring it up with ‘2+2’ dialogue and work with IMF in bailing these countries out and integrating.
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