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chetak wrote:
RCase wrote:Nepal needs a similar integration / M&A plan like SL. Timing is also right. Will decrease our need for insulin (armed forces expenditure) due to Sugalland.
the entire crisis in nepal was choreographed by the congis including making it a "secular" country. It has BIF written all over it

the person whom the congis sent to "negiotiate" with the nepali dissidents was yech-ury who used the opportunity and opened the door to the cheenis and pushed the cheeni trojan horse in

even today, slimy yech-ury is a cheeni slave and bootlicker
Yes and Nepal's Maoist leaders were coordinating their actions taking shelter in Delhi, those were 10 disaster years for India
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chetak wrote:
RCase wrote:Nepal needs a similar integration / M&A plan like SL. Timing is also right. Will decrease our need for insulin (armed forces expenditure) due to Sugalland.
the entire crisis in nepal was choreographed by the congis including making it a "secular" country. It has BIF written all over it

the person whom the congis sent to "negiotiate" with the nepali dissidents was yech-ury who used the opportunity and opened the door to the cheenis and pushed the cheeni trojan horse in

even today, slimy yech-ury is a cheeni slave and bootlicker
No question about it. Maoist Nepal was a major part of the Indian Left's price for joining the UPA1 govt. They would look the other way from the Maino-Vadra's robber baron capitalism as long as some pockets were lined, and the last Hindu State in the world could be destroyed & reconstructed as a Marxist pustule.
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Beijing's dilemma: Sri Lanka owes $6+ billion in debt. What happens if it can't make the payments?

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RCase wrote:Nepal needs a similar integration / M&A plan like SL. Timing is also right. Will decrease our need for insulin (armed forces expenditure) due to Sugalland.
India needs to think of a south Asian federation pretty soon if it intends to keep on bailing out smaller countries !!.. quid pro quo
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Well we think we are well placed now because of MAD but the other SAF countries should have like minded leaders for that to happen. They are more likely to throw up Khujlis not MMS. In the history of the subcontinent diverging forces have had an upper hand. SL is away from centre close to only TN and KL who themselves need a proper cleanup and strength.
An average SL like a Nepali should have to want to be able to intermingle and do biz in India and that will only happen when Bharat with a 10T economy and a proper ghar wapasi reminds Asia of the real India they had ties with.
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India is probably reading itself for another 2billion$ aid to SL

and the SL street is pleading with India "help us and not the rajapaksas"




seems that the management lessons from the Indian mafia famiglia have been internalized by the SL mafia famiglia


Basically in the Nepotism game, Rajapaksas decided to go all in.
And losing their country in the process..

Forget the K@run@n!dh! family, the Rajapaksa family takes nepotism to level never seen before in the history of nepotism

One brother is the PM. One brother in the President. One is a minister. One is an MP
Brother in law is the head of the Securities commission of srilanka
Helps you when you want to do some insider trading.
Plus he is the chairman of ports as well. Because you know, what the hell.
And this is only the first generation.

One of their sons is the chief minister of a province.
Another one is head of Sri Lankan airlines and telecom
One son is an MP, and also the sports minister to boot.
He also ran a sports channel. Because why not.
One other guy is also an MP, plus runs a tourist company.
According to one report, more than 40 members of Rajapaksa family are in the Govt.
Because, why not..

Mahinda's son Namal Rajapaksa is an interesting character.
He started a Sports company called Carlton Sports Network. Till that time, all cricket was broadcasted by the state owned TV network.
When our dude started the company, the state TV nicely stepped aside from bidding
Because when you own the state, you can do anything.

And they got the rights for 25% of its original value.
And they never paid tax on their profits, ever.
Because why will you pay tax when your family owns the tax Collector.


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I hope both Nepal and Sri Lanka realize they were taken advantage by the Chinese and other Foreigners. Now is the time for them to consider India as their lifeline. At this time, India will be more amenable for better terms, take on debt forgiveness and better integration into the India Union. If they don't take this opportunity, in later years India will be 10T economy, and may not provide the same deal. You know when in retrospect you kinda wish you had and hopefully the leadership in both countries look at their conditions and maybe now is the time, when you are really down, to make things happen. The people of these two nations will be glad and accept such a change. India gets a better grip on the region, its armed forces can flex their muscles a little bit more and things will become more cohesive with the Indian Union.
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bala wrote:I hope both Nepal and Sri Lanka realize they were taken advantage by the Chinese and other Foreigners. Now is the time for them to consider India as their lifeline. At this time, India will be more amenable for better terms, take on debt forgiveness and better integration into the India Union. If they don't take this opportunity, in later years India will be 10T economy, and may not provide the same deal. You know when in retrospect you kinda wish you had and hopefully the leadership in both countries look at their conditions and maybe now is the time, when you are really down, to make things happen. The people of these two nations will be glad and accept such a change. India gets a better grip on the region, its armed forces can flex their muscles a little bit more and things will become more cohesive with the Indian Union.
This is yet again big proof of my hypothesis of inherent instability and parasitic nature of small countries.Take any aspect,no mini country can survive on its own. Luxembourg,Andorra, Belgium or any other 10-20 million. They get counted as big countries who spend billions defence and maritime security. how the hell someone :evil: gave them equal vote at UN ?
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bala wrote:I hope both Nepal and Sri Lanka realize they were taken advantage by the Chinese and other Foreigners. Now is the time for them to consider India as their lifeline. At this time, India will be more amenable for better terms, take on debt forgiveness and better integration into the India Union. If they don't take this opportunity, in later years India will be 10T economy, and may not provide the same deal. You know when in retrospect you kinda wish you had and hopefully the leadership in both countries look at their conditions and maybe now is the time, when you are really down, to make things happen. The people of these two nations will be glad and accept such a change. India gets a better grip on the region, its armed forces can flex their muscles a little bit more and things will become more cohesive with the Indian Union.


Both nepal and SL willingly signed up as did a whole lot of other countries and no one held a gun to their head, least of all the cheeni

the authorities in all these countries were almost certainly bribed and the loan and agreement details have been kept secret as per cheeni orders

all these countries have hard headed, greedy and compromised politicos running the show

both nepal and SL tried to play India against the cheeni and ended up digging their own graves with cheeni made shovels which was the only thing that was provided for free by the hans

don't make it sound as though they were all innocent angels, babes in the woods, as it were, who were duped and fooled by the evil cheenis and the cheenis betrayed their trust

SL's total sovereign debt is being estimated somewhere north of 48 billion$, give or take, by some on the net and that debt is rapidly growing, possibly because of earlier defaults

vast amounts of bribe money have changed hands in every country where the cheenis have made their "debt trap" entry under the guise of OBOR/CPEC and every country knows that it is how the hans operate.

xi came twice to India to meet Modi because he desperately wanted India to be part of the CPEC. Forget about the swings and temples that Modi treated him to but did not do what xi wanted

all the lootyens wokes and xi's bootlicking commie pals in India were clamouring for India to accept xi's CPEC offer quickly, lest it be withdrawn. xi even made the pakis invite us to join the CPEC, the pakis even offering to remove the paki name from CPEC and replace it with India

wonder what these very same gullible idiots are thinking now

so why do we need two idiotic, rapacious and financially cancerous countries, both on the verge of bankruptcy, and both with populations inherently hostile to India to join us

or is there some anticipation that someone is going to insert the word "masochistic" into the Indian constitution, just like the BIF slyly got inserted the words "socialist" and "secular" without following the due process of democracy
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chetak wrote:
bala wrote:I hope both Nepal and Sri Lanka realize they were taken advantage by the Chinese and other Foreigners. Now is the time for them to consider India as their lifeline. At this time, India will be more amenable for better terms, take on debt forgiveness and better integration into the India Union. If they don't take this opportunity, in later years India will be 10T economy, and may not provide the same deal. You know when in retrospect you kinda wish you had and hopefully the leadership in both countries look at their conditions and maybe now is the time, when you are really down, to make things happen. The people of these two nations will be glad and accept such a change. India gets a better grip on the region, its armed forces can flex their muscles a little bit more and things will become more cohesive with the Indian Union.


Both nepal and SL willingly signed up as did a whole lot of other countries and no one held a gun to their head, least of all the cheeni

the authorities in all these countries were almost certainly bribed and the loan and agreement details have been kept secret as per cheeni orders

all these countries have hard headed, greedy and compromised politicos running the show

both nepal and SL tried to play India against the cheeni and ended up digging their own graves with cheeni made shovels which was the only thing that was provided for free by the hans

don't make it sound as though they were all innocent angels, babes in the woods, as it were, who were duped and fooled by the evil cheenis and the cheenis betrayed their trust

SL's total sovereign debt is being estimated somewhere north of 48 billion$, give or take, by some on the net and that debt is rapidly growing, possibly because of earlier defaults

vast amounts of bribe money have changed hands in every country where the cheenis have made their "debt trap" entry under the guise of OBOR/CPEC and every country knows that it is how the hans operate.

xi came twice to India to meet Modi because he desperately wanted India to be part of the CPEC. Forget about the swings and temples that Modi treated him to but did not do what xi wanted

all the lootyens wokes and xi's bootlicking commie pals in India were clamouring for India to accept xi's CPEC offer quickly, lest it be withdrawn. xi even made the pakis invite us to join the CPEC, the pakis even offering to remove the paki name from CPEC and replace it with India

wonder what these very same gullible idiots are thinking now

so why do we need two idiotic, rapacious and financially cancerous countries, both on the verge of bankruptcy, and both with populations inherently hostile to India to join us

or is there some anticipation that someone is going to insert the word "masochistic" into the Indian constitution, just like the BIF slyly got inserted the words "socialist" and "secular" without following the due process of democracy
There is no point in crying over spilled milk. We know the Chinees philosophy, which is the supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. That is the Han dynasty's excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting. If the mind is willing, the flesh could go on and on without many things. Nonetheless, A New Era for China’s “Wolf Warrior Diplomacy” calls for the present communist and authoritarian Chinese regime and its policymakers to wield “sharp power,” including cyberwarfare, industrial espionage, and intelligence operations that are designed to meddle in the domestic political affairs of foreign democracies. One such case in point is Sri Lanka, where the Chinese regime is involved in devious debt diplomacy and a possible covert intelligence operation to advance its foreign policy agenda.

The question is what is the Indian philosophy? What is counter-messaging? How should India counteract an aggressive China? The achievement of political and moral ends through ahimsa is what Gandhi called satyagraha, 'truth force' or non-violent action, which is not passive or sullen. It calls for courage, the strength of character, and a positive contribution to a righteous cause. Gandhi's doctrine of non-violence is absolute. To date, the record is highly fascinating? Or hardly encouraging? Time will tell...
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tuan wrote:The achievement of political and moral ends through ahimsa is what Gandhi called satyagraha, 'truth force' or non-violent action, which is not passive or sullen. It calls for courage, the strength of character, and a positive contribution to a righteous cause. Gandhi's doctrine of non-violence is absolute. To date, the record is highly fascinating? Or hardly encouraging? Time will tell...
The prescription of Gandhi does not occur in the Indian context in the past. The Bhagavad Gita is the Gold Standard. A lot of diplomacy took place initially (you can deem this ahimsa) but in the end war was inevitable between the feuding sides. Clearly, the focus is on doing your duty guided by the higher conscious. Arjuna is urged by Sri Krishna to do his duty, irrespective of the reasons for why the battle. You don't covet for any prizes, just be in the moment and fulfill your duties. This is a clear simple message. The Gandhian tactic is a perversion introduced by the Brits (who are cowards in actual serious battle, they delegated the fighting to the US in WW-2 and previously used Indian soldiers as fodder in major thrusts worldwide).
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Nothing secret about what the cheeni are doing. SL was included in their now failed string of pearls strategy too. we had also warned nepal and SL about welcoming the hans but they still went ahead and did it.

xi covets India's infrastructure, road and rail networks, stable power supply situation and above all India massive food production capability and the docile labor force, along with a good law and order situation but with discernable fault lines that can easily be exploited by the cheeni using their traitorous and seditious political political supporters in India. The cheeni have every intention of colonizing India just like the britschitts did and for the very same reasons too, and they are working to a long term plan

the pakis have none of these vital attributes and the terrorist opposition to the CPEC alone has scared off the cheeni and almost sunk the CPEC. India has more than a dozen ready made, operational and well connected gwadar like ports already in place. xi's CPEC/OBOR had planned to enter India via three routes, one via SL, the other via bangladesh and the third via cashmere The oil pipelines from gwadar feeding long distance into kashgar in china's xinjiang is a logistical nightmare and is loss making from the get go in terms of adding at least $15 to each barrel of oil pumped through it because the pipeline runs majorily in terrain that experiences year round negative 30 degrees Celsius, besides the pipeline will need extra heating as well as insulation material and, last but not the least, the humungous maintenance effort involved to keep it all going. Pipelines through India and onward to kashgar in china's xinjiang will only have to traverse relatively flat geographies and mild to temperate environmental conditions. The cheenis are looking to get out of the Malacca trap.

And additionally, for his own survival, xi needs India as a massive captive market for cheeni produced trash and for India's raw material resources

best to keep that nonsense about culture, Indian philosophy and all other such bumpf far away from the business of running a real world country where enemies are infiltrating with lethal weapons and all we have to offer in weak defence is the limp dick narrative of vasudaiva kutambakam and sanatana dharma without even the least understanding of what it actually means

Do unto others as they would do unto you and do it to them before they do it to you. This is the new mantra

Indian philosophy alone cannot help to push back the cheen from ladakh and many seem to forget in their clouded pacifist façade, our shastras also say that there is a time to pick up the weapon and fight. Our compromises are over and done with over the past centuries and especially over the past 70 years.

when Indian philosophy is not taught in schools, colleges which are wholly dominated by marx and his evil henchmen/women, glorifying the superiority of the aryan race, why are we hell bent on wilfully hobbling ourselves by adding on additional drag in the form of two schitt countries who cannot run themselves because their philosophy is wholly based on scrounging

This is 2022 and not the 17th century. If such a foolish thing as is being pushed by a few on the forum is done there will be a global outcry led by the abrahamics in white countries, with the crazed pakis and cheeni going batschitt and the UN condemning India in resolution after resolution

Is an already "Hindutwa" branded India willing to risk all that she has worked for to end up at the receiving of a ginormous PR, diplomatic and geopolitical schitt storm

or do these guys think that a quiet deal will be struck on some beautiful SL beach and no one will know and rajapaksa will be happy to be a weakass CM under the Indian constitution with the ED, CBI and the NIA after his blood on a daily basis

Nationalism exists even in nepal and SL and the rebellion against any sort of "integration" will first start from there

BTW, which govt, in the past 70 years in India, has been run as per the Bhagavad Gita, ahimsa and the "gandhian" principles.

The era of realpolitik began many centuries ago and that is the gold standard
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rsingh wrote:
bala wrote:I hope both Nepal and Sri Lanka realize they were taken advantage by the Chinese and other Foreigners. Now is the time for them to consider India as their lifeline. At this time, India will be more amenable for better terms, take on debt forgiveness and better integration into the India Union. If they don't take this opportunity, in later years India will be 10T economy, and may not provide the same deal. You know when in retrospect you kinda wish you had and hopefully the leadership in both countries look at their conditions and maybe now is the time, when you are really down, to make things happen. The people of these two nations will be glad and accept such a change. India gets a better grip on the region, its armed forces can flex their muscles a little bit more and things will become more cohesive with the Indian Union.
This is yet again big proof of my hypothesis of inherent instability and parasitic nature of small countries.Take any aspect,no mini country can survive on its own. Luxembourg,Andorra, Belgium or any other 10-20 million. They get counted as big countries who spend billions defence and maritime security. how the hell someone :evil: gave them equal vote at UN ?
At least those countries have populations who consider themselves European and do not badmouth Germany or France 24x7 or conspire with the Chinese or Russians against them.

I was viewing a youtube video on one of the news outlet's channel a couple of days ago that went over the economic crisis in Nepal, and some Indian had commented along the lines of 'Indian govt should help Nepal'. Sure enough, a couple of Nepali people had replied to the comment stating 'Let India build toilets and feed it's hungry first bla bla bla'. This irrational Paki level of hate (actually a lot of Pakis are seeing the light nowadays) for India is what you wont find for the EU in Andorra or Belgium.
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Bart S wrote:Sure enough, a couple of Nepali people had replied to the comment stating 'Let India build toilets and feed it's hungry first bla bla bla'. This irrational Paki level of hate (actually a lot of Pakis are seeing the light nowadays) for India is what you wont find for the EU in Andorra or Belgium.
I am sure it must be a Brit posing as Nepali, this is a standard phrase copied and pasted over and over again in the Brit newspaper feedback section on any article about India. India is doing quite well on both counts, if they were not paying attention. Hunger never existed in India prior to the Brit Raj but after they left with deliberate famines and bankrupting the exchequer all these problems started.
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Actually those comments are usually by the IT experts of the worlds best intelligence agency. Never assume what you are presented is correct.
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chetak wrote: Do unto others as they would do unto you and do it to them before they do it to you. This is the new mantra

This is 2022 and not the 17th century. If such a foolish thing as is being pushed by a few on the forum is done there will be a global outcry led by the abrahamics in white countries, with the crazed pakis and cheeni going batschitt and the UN condemning India in resolution after resolution

Is an already "Hindutwa" branded India willing to risk all that she has worked for to end up at the receiving of a ginormous PR, diplomatic and geopolitical schitt storm

The era of realpolitik began many centuries ago and that is the gold standard
Cheen is already trying to gobble up territory and encircle India. This is why it is important to preempt that and get these countries integrated within the Indian influence. - Do it to them before they do it to you.

Does Cheen give a rat's ass about global outcry by the abrahamics in white countries when they grab artificial islands or take over territories using debt traps?

History has shown all this PR and geopolitical schitt storm is a bunch of bull. Countries move on and deal with their own priorities. Let us look at some examples:
China - Aksai Chin, Tibet, HK, Xinjiang, debt trapping of various countries, Taiwan
USA - WMD in Iraq, Democracy in Afghanistan, Hasty exit from Afghanistan and turning it over to Taliban, Guantanamo Bay
UK - Malvinas/ Falklands
India/ Pakistan - Creation of Bangladesh, Outcry of Pakis about Kashmir
Israel - Palestine
Russia - Crimea, Ukraine (now in progress)
Saudi - Khashoggi murder
Turkey - support for ISIS and the chaos in Iraq and Syria, Cypress, Armenian genocide

I am not sure what is the 'gold standard' for realpolitik. History has shown that those with vision and exercised the ability to project power have come out strategically ahead.

Just take the case of the Islamic barbarians invading India from the north west. India was alway fighting a defensive battle and over time ended up yielding territory. Realpolitik would have been if the Hindu kings had taken the fight into the homelands of the Islamic barbarians and made them defend their territories. None of the Indian kingdoms took the fight to Iran/ Arabia. But we had Mo bin Qasim, Nadir Shah, Abdali etc. bringing the fight to Bharat.

Another example would be the Cholas who put their footprints all over South East Asia.

The Marathas were successful against the Mughals because they didn't fight from a defensive position. They took the fight into the 'home' of the Mughals, leading to the decline of the Mughals.

It is time India makes some bold moves that will serves it's interest in the long run and not worry about what the west will say, or toothless UN resolutions.
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RCase wrote:
chetak wrote: Do unto others as they would do unto you and do it to them before they do it to you. This is the new mantra

This is 2022 and not the 17th century. If such a foolish thing as is being pushed by a few on the forum is done there will be a global outcry led by the abrahamics in white countries, with the crazed pakis and cheeni going batschitt and the UN condemning India in resolution after resolution

Is an already "Hindutwa" branded India willing to risk all that she has worked for to end up at the receiving of a ginormous PR, diplomatic and geopolitical schitt storm

The era of realpolitik began many centuries ago and that is the gold standard
Cheen is already trying to gobble up territory and encircle India. This is why it is important to preempt that and get these countries integrated within the Indian influence. - Do it to them before they do it to you.

Does Cheen give a rat's ass about global outcry by the abrahamics in white countries when they grab artificial islands or take over territories using debt traps?

History has shown all this PR and geopolitical schitt storm is a bunch of bull. Countries move on and deal with their own priorities. Let us look at some examples:
China - Aksai Chin, Tibet, HK, Xinjiang, debt trapping of various countries, Taiwan
USA - WMD in Iraq, Democracy in Afghanistan, Hasty exit from Afghanistan and turning it over to Taliban, Guantanamo Bay
UK - Malvinas/ Falklands
India/ Pakistan - Creation of Bangladesh, Outcry of Pakis about Kashmir
Israel - Palestine
Russia - Crimea, Ukraine (now in progress)
Saudi - Khashoggi murder
Turkey - support for ISIS and the chaos in Iraq and Syria, Cypress, Armenian genocide

I am not sure what is the 'gold standard' for realpolitik. History has shown that those with vision and exercised the ability to project power have come out strategically ahead.

Just take the case of the Islamic barbarians invading India from the north west. India was alway fighting a defensive battle and over time ended up yielding territory. Realpolitik would have been if the Hindu kings had taken the fight into the homelands of the Islamic barbarians and made them defend their territories. None of the Indian kingdoms took the fight to Iran/ Arabia. But we had Mo bin Qasim, Nadir Shah, Abdali etc. bringing the fight to Bharat.

Another example would be the Cholas who put their footprints all over South East Asia.

The Marathas were successful against the Mughals because they didn't fight from a defensive position. They took the fight into the 'home' of the Mughals, leading to the decline of the Mughals.

It is time India makes some bold moves that will serves it's interest in the long run and not worry about what the west will say, or toothless UN resolutions.



There is no way that the others will allow India to simply gobble up two democratic countries and members of the UNO

One thing that no one has talked about so far is

how will you get the two to agree

will they agree at all and why will they do so

this entire "integration" thing has been a strictly one sided affair so far, and strictly wishful thinking

there has been no evidence of interest or even like minded discussion in either nepal or SL.

if India makes an unilateral move to acquire their territory, it is naked aggression and it will be considered as an act of war. The very idea is an anathema

The deliberate making of two private afghanistans for India where non existed before, will result in black hole(s) into which India's treasure will be gobbled up for nought. The cheeni will surely dig in permanently in both countries leaving us up the creek without a paddle. how does anyone propose to get them out because they have legally signed and binding agreements and documents

if the cheeni refuse to leave, who will fight to get them out...will it be India that is expected to do the honors and why should we

the cheeni have salami sliced their way into Indian territory for decades using cooked up historic memes which the previous govts either had no intention or possibly even no guts to stop

for the first time in a really long while, the cheeni have been stared down in doklam as well as ladakh and stopped in their tracks and xi has no plan B to counter Modi's India

India has stood alone against the cheeni aggression and as expected no one has come to our aid and yet India has stood steadfast. This vital fact has not escaped anyone's attention globally. Any more sojourns to over run Indian territory precipitates the serious risk of immediate escalation and the crossing of red lines

this is not an India that the goras or the cheeni have seen before/want to see and nor are they comfortable with this new avatar

the pushback has caught xi unprepared and caused a huge loss of face.

The long range AGNIs, tried and tested, are proving to be the deterrent that they were built to be.

this backing of Russia and Putin by Modi, against global opposition, has set the cat among the pigeons.

Hence, the people talking glibly of "cost benefit analysis" should first do the thing that is most essential -- the clear defining of the risk universe followed by a very comprehensive risk analysis.

"integrating" countries into itself is exactly what cheen is doing and look at how xi came out smelling of roses in the maldives, SL, nepal, beediland, myanmar, pukestan and countries in africa

where the cheeni have threatened to forcibly grab territory is taiwan and they haven't made a move except for shouting themselves hoarse over the decades. The cheen are not so good at handling confrontations with nuke armed opponents.

They may irritate India now and then but they will keep to their side of the fence as their little princelings have not been brought up to fight resolute enemy soldiers

श्रीमद् भगवद् गीता, abrahamic invasions etc all have their place as well as relevance but what is the gold standard and the only applicable standard for us today is the constitution of India and "integration" or even the concept of "integration" is not mentioned anywhere therein
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Nice post , we should have like buttons . Exactly let they remain buffer states , integration with us is unfathomable in 1st place. We should help them for their occasional cry for help and ensure our interests are taken care of , that's the price we have to pay.
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Chetak wrote:the only applicable standard for us today is the constitution of India
This was a paper hurriedly put together for India. B.R. Ambedkar's professor at Columbia Univ was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dewey. This worthy effectively wrote the Indian Constitution. John Dewey was also instrumental in writing Mao's Red book.

I don't put my faith on a piece of Paper, I put my faith on Bharat, the Watan, nothing less, nothing more. It is the same spirit that the cadre of Indians in the British navy mutinied for their freedom from the Brits.
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bala wrote:
Chetak wrote:the only applicable standard for us today is the constitution of India
This was a paper hurriedly put together for India. B.R. Ambedkar's professor at Columbia Univ was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dewey. This worthy effectively wrote the Indian Constitution. John Dewey was also instrumental in writing Mao's Red book.

I don't put my faith on a piece of Paper, I put my faith on Bharat, the Watan, nothing less, nothing more. It is the same spirit that the cadre of Indians in the British navy mutinied for their freedom from the Brits.
unbelievable, no faith in the constitution of India, or parliamentary procedures which form the bedrock of any democracy and yet advocates the gobbling up two other independent countries by some mysterious process of cultural osmosis because of his security concerns and caring a nought for their constitutions

BTW, that strong spirit that also motivated the sailors of the RIN was RUM

It was issued free by the Navy to the sailors as per regulations

sorry ji, just had to ask, do you perhaps have your own little country
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chetak wrote: unbelievable, no faith in the constitution of India, or parliamentary procedures which form the bedrock of any democracy and yet advocates the gobbling up two other independent countries by some mysterious process of cultural osmosis because of his security concerns and caring a nought for their constitutions
I was not advocating gobbling up, those are your words. I ask that they consider voluntarily joining, big difference
BTW, that strong spirit that also motivated the sailors of the RIN was RUM
It was issued free by the Navy to the sailors as per regulations
So you don't care about the lives of Indians who fought against an oppressor. I feel sorry for you. Yeah RUM motivated them - nice British Yarn.
sorry ji, just had to ask, do you perhaps have your own little country
Yeah tis called India, a little country as you put it.
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bala wrote:
chetak wrote: unbelievable, no faith in the constitution of India, or parliamentary procedures which form the bedrock of any democracy and yet advocates the gobbling up two other independent countries by some mysterious process of cultural osmosis because of his security concerns and caring a nought for their constitutions
I was not advocating gobbling up, those are your words. I ask that they consider voluntarily joining, big difference
BTW, that strong spirit that also motivated the sailors of the RIN was RUM
It was issued free by the Navy to the sailors as per regulations
So you don't care about the lives of Indians who fought against an oppressor. I feel sorry for you. Yeah RUM motivated them - nice British Yarn.
sorry ji, just had to ask, do you perhaps have your own little country
Yeah tis called India, a little country as you put it.
didn't take long to show the colors, did it........

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chetak wrote:
श्रीमद् भगवद् गीता, abrahamic invasions etc all have their place as well as relevance but what is the gold standard and the only applicable standard for us today is the constitution of India and "integration" or even the concept of "integration" is not mentioned anywhere therein
Yes, under this very constitution we were able to integrate Hyderabad, Goa and Sikkim! Also we became a 'secular' country with the modified constitution.
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RCase wrote:
chetak wrote:
श्रीमद् भगवद् गीता, abrahamic invasions etc all have their place as well as relevance but what is the gold standard and the only applicable standard for us today is the constitution of India and "integration" or even the concept of "integration" is not mentioned anywhere therein

Yes, under this very constitution we were able to integrate Hyderabad, Goa and Sikkim! Also we became a 'secular' country with the modified constitution.
not this very constitution but an amended constitution which is a very different thing

so, got any pals who are willing to amend the constitution again and also convince the SLs and nepalis to ask us nicely to take them on board and before that, also hold a referendum in their countries attesting to that fact

The Indian Independence Act of 1947 gave princely states the choice to accede to either India or Pakistan or remain independent. In this article, you can read about the integration of these states with India through persuasion, diplomacy, military force, or plebiscite.

The Indian Independence Act was subsequently repealed in Article 395 of the Constitution of India on 26 January 1950

On April 9, 1975, the Sikkim Parliament announced the king was deposed and declared Sikkim had become part of India through a referendum.

On May 16, the Indian parliament announced that Sikkim officially became a state of India.

In 1963, the Parliament of India passed the 12th Amendment Act to the Constitution of India, formally integrating the captured territories into the Indian Union. Goa, Daman and Diu became a Union territory.
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shaun wrote:Nice post , we should have like buttons . Exactly let they remain buffer states , integration with us is unfathomable in 1st place. We should help them for their occasional cry for help and ensure our interests are taken care of , that's the price we have to pay.
Don't wish to derail the thread. If a poster has made some good observations let us be gracious enough to say so in actual words. Things like 'up vote' or click on a 'like' button is tantamount to trivialising the efforts of a forum member. That's what I feel.
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nandakumar wrote:
shaun wrote:Nice post , we should have like buttons . Exactly let they remain buffer states , integration with us is unfathomable in 1st place. We should help them for their occasional cry for help and ensure our interests are taken care of , that's the price we have to pay.
Don't wish to derail the thread. If a poster has made some good observations let us be gracious enough to say so in actual words. Things like 'up vote' or click on a 'like' button is tantamount to trivialising the efforts of a forum member. That's what I feel.
Fair enough but the idea of integration is ridiculous in every sense . 1st and foremost , big brother syndrome affects both these countries, for any crisis momement common people thinks conspiracy being webbed in Delhi , that's literally their understanding , we have seen this in our good will mission for Nepal earthquake calamity and now srilankans though are benefitted by our credit line , food and energy , they blaming us for routing those aids through their own elected govt . I am 100% confident that once they tide over this crisis , in some quarters they will blame us and generally tag our help as a responsibility of a big neigbour , entitlement runs deep both with srilankans , Nepalese BDs etc.

One tidbit , during 2014 BD blackout , they blamed us for the the catastrophe,
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I do think SL and Nepal can do with a treaty like Bhutan and leave defence and foreign policy to big bro while they can govern themselves.Pak can be dealt with after they implode
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kit wrote:I do think SL and Nepal can do with a treaty like Bhutan and leave defence and foreign policy to big bro while they can govern themselves.Pak can be dealt with after they implode
Don't think so , let them burn their hand , we apply burnol and they remain benevolent from time to time.
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shaun wrote:
kit wrote:I do think SL and Nepal can do with a treaty like Bhutan and leave defence and foreign policy to big bro while they can govern themselves.Pak can be dealt with after they implode
Don't think so , let them burn their hand , we apply burnol and they remain benevolent from time to time.

the combined population of nepal and SL exceeds 52 million

Of these 52+ millions, a vast majority are non tax paying and will be a financial, sociopolitical and a heavy cultural drag on India

we don't really need these entitled folk gumming up the works and causing social and societal tensions, drug related crimes and terrorist activities

a whole lot of gora hippies land up in both these countries

let them be as they are and give them a bit of money now and then.
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Enough of giving. We are said to be stingy, bargaining baniyas aren't we. We should be buying. When the rates are dirt cheap due to the distress sales.
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While India should staunchly support countries that still are moored to Indic roots (SL, Nepal, Bhutan), India must also show the stick as SL and Nepal were using China bogey against India. Scrape their knuckles, but don't let them down.
chetak wrote:
shaun wrote:
Don't think so , let them burn their hand , we apply burnol and they remain benevolent from time to time.

the combined population of nepal and SL exceeds 52 million

Of these 52+ millions, a vast majority are non tax paying and will be a financial, sociopolitical and a heavy cultural drag on India

we don't really need these entitled folk gumming up the works and causing social and societal tensions, drug related crimes and terrorist activities

a whole lot of gora hippies land up in both these countries

let them be as they are and give them a bit of money now and then.
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It looks like we have exhausted all the pros and cons for SL and Nepal within the Indian ambit. I am awaiting the next move by these failed countries and their corrupt leaders. I hope they don't fall for another conjob by China or other foreigners.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karakalpakstan

there are different templates to choose from..India needs to exert formal control in some way not letting the brats run about creating nuisance

The Republic of Karakalpakstan is formally sovereign and shares veto power over decisions concerning it with Uzbekistan. According to the constitution, relations between Karakalpakstan and Uzbekistan are "regulated by treaties and agreements" and any disputes are "settled by way of reconciliation". Its right to secede is limited by the veto power of Uzbekistan's legislature over any decision to secede.[9] Article 74, chapter XVII, Constitution of Uzbekistan, provides that: "The Republic of Karakalpakstan shall have the right to secede from the Republic of Uzbekistan on the basis of a nationwide referendum held by the people of Karakalpakstan."

weird but true !!
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bala wrote:It looks like we have exhausted all the pros and cons for SL and Nepal within the Indian ambit. I am awaiting the next move by these failed countries and their corrupt leaders. I hope they don't fall for another conjob by China or other foreigners.

despite the fiasco of hambantota, there is another white elephant that the SL are foolishly banking upon

It's called the the Port City of Colombo and it is the cheeni's plan to build a 14 billion$ colony and the sinhala are looking for a way to rope India in and kick the hans out of this project

there are SL claims that this project is SL owned. The cheeni had hoped to create another dubai or singapore but as a cheeni colony but they seem to have run into some very serious funding issues

The SL's truly believe that there's one born every minute
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Cardinal Ranjith stresses political involvement behind Sri Lanka Easter bombings
https://www.vaticannews.va/en/church/ne ... usion.html
At a recent press conference organized by Aid to the Church in Need (ACN), the Sri Lankan Cardinal alleged: “There are indications that the authorities wanted the attacks to be carried out."

By Robin Gomes

The Catholic Church in Sri Lanka is still awaiting answers from the country’s authorities on the real organizers of the Easter Sunday bombings nearly 3 years ago. The suicide terrorist attacks on 3 churches and 3 hotels on 19 April 2019 killed 269 people and injured more than 500.

Sri Lankan Cardinal Malcolm Ranjith raised the issue at a press conference organized last week by the Pontifical Foundation Aid to the Church in Need International at its headquarters in Königstein, Germany.

The cardinal has been reiterating his doubts that the Easter Sunday blasts were just “the product of a group of misguided youths bent on terrorism.”

“It was very well organized and coordinated; there were bombs in seven places in 15 minutes, although one of the bombers did not set off his explosives,” the cardinal said at the virtual press conference on 14 March.

Collusion between authorities

Several commissions and inquiries were announced to try to get to the bottom of this tragedy and hold to account those responsible. Although some of these reports have been kept away from the public and from Church leaders, what has emerged is damning towards the authorities.

The Archbishop of Colombo, two of whose churches were bombed, demands clarity about possible collusion between authorities, including government figures and information services, and the terrorists. He said the Parliament Select Committee report makes recommendations against the former president, former inspector general of police, former defence secretary, former chief of intelligence and other top-level officials, for not having prevented the attacks.

Authorities wanted the attacks

The 74-year-old cardinal pointed out that they knew beforehand from the information they had gathered and also from warnings given by the Indian intelligence services, but they did nothing. On the contrary, the cardinal said the government seemed to have done its best to prevent the arrest of the attackers. “There are indications that the authorities wanted the attacks to be carried out,” Cardinal Ranjith pointed out.

He spoke about “a sense of frustration” among the people over unanswered questions.

"Why is it that those who were recommended for prosecution are not being prosecuted by the legal authorities? There are some areas indicated in the Parliament Committee report for further investigation, but they are not being investigated, why?”

Electoral gains

The report of the Parliament Select Committee also points to collusion, hinting that it may have been for electoral gains.

Cardinal Ranjith said, “The committee makes a very serious finding in terms of the status of the state intelligence apparatus, where intelligence information known to a few was not shared with relevant parties.”

“It also observes that further investigations will be needed to understand whether those with vested interests did not act on intelligence so as to create chaos and instil fear and uncertainty in the lead up to the presidential election to be held later that same year”, the cardinal said, citing from the executive summary of the report.

Pain of victims

He spoke about the pain of the families of the dead and the many survivors who still bear the scars, both physical and emotional, of the attacks.

“A man who lost his wife committed suicide three months ago, leaving his three daughters orphans. Another man who lost his wife and three children was living with his mother-in-law, but he had to leave and he went and slept in the cemetery, where his family is buried. Another woman was a dance teacher, but the explosion left her bedridden. She has a small child, meanwhile, her husband left her. The suffering she is going through is tremendous.”

Pope Francis and UN Human Rights Council

The Archbishop of Colombo was on a visit to Europe during which he met Pope Francis on 28 February in the Vatican and updated him on the situation in Sri Lanka.

He told reporters he explained to the Pope that he will not rest in his pursuit of justice and truth. “The Pope has been a great source of inspiration and hope for us. He has always told me to move ahead, struggle with the people to get justice for them. That is the challenge I have,” the cardinal said.

Earlier in March, he briefed Michelle Bachelet, the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights in Geneva, Switzerland, on the developments in his country. He also addressed the Human Rights Council where he raised the issue of the flawed investigation into the bombings.

“Help us to create an atmosphere where our questions will be answered by the authorities. We do not want to degrade our country, but we want to make sure the lives of innocent people are not played with by politics”, Cardinal Ranjit told the press conference in Königstein.

ACN which has been assisting persecuted, oppressed and needy Christians worldwide for more than 70 years, has continued to support the Church in Sri Lanka, including after the Easter Sunday bomb attacks and during the Covid-19 pandemic. (Source; ACN)


Easter Sunday bombings in Sri Lanka–unanswered questions
https://www.churchinneed.org/easter-sun ... questions/
AFTER THREE YEARS AND AT A COST OF $2.5M, the government of Sri Lanka published an 88-volume report on the 2019 Easter Sunday bombings. The inquiry resulted in 23,000 charges brought against 25 individuals. The Catholic Church, however, is unconvinced that justice has been done for the 269 dead and 500 injured. Mark von Riedemann, director of public affairs for Aid to the Church in Need (ACN) spoke with Cardinal Malcolm Ranjith, archbishop of Colombo, during his recent visit to ACN headquarters to discuss the conclusions of the investigation.

Three years after this tragedy, how would you describe the feelings of Sri Lankan Catholics?
The whole Sri Lankan Catholic community wishes to see the truth about these attacks, because the harm done to the community has been very, very profound, with 269 people dying, most of them Catholics, not to mention the attempt to set one faith community against the other, which was the hidden agenda behind these attacks.

Did the attack divide the communities, or did it somehow bring them closer together?
Some of the people who helped us in this situation, who helped these families, were Muslims. They gave us a lot of money. They came and cried with us. And in fact, they and we feel that the people of faith are being pitted one against the other to gain political advantage. So, we must be very clear about identifying who is behind this whole attempt and avoid falling into the trap of inter-religious violence.

The government spent $2.5M to investigate the bombings. The police have filed 23,000 charges against 25 individuals, accusing them of plotting the bombings. But you’re not convinced by this report?
The report itself is very good. But we want the recommendations to be implemented. And one of the main recommendations in this matter is not just the punishing of 25 Muslims with 23,000 charges. According to the report, these Muslims do not seem to have carried out this attack with a religious motive. There seems to be a political motive behind this. There seems to be someone with authority behind this attack.

The allegation is that ISIS in Indonesia were the ones that provoked or called for the attack. This is the official story, but there are questions. When were your suspicions first raised that the ISIS explanation was not the full one?

My suspicions came up immediately after the attack, because I felt that a ragtag band of youngsters could not have carried out this kind of very professional thing. I urged our people not to react against the Muslims. I found there was an attempt to set the Christians against the Muslims to engage in violence. This could have spelled a huge disaster for the country. When we began receiving information from different sources, we felt that a true investigation had not happened. Now, the report says the Public Service Commission makes very serious findings in terms of the status of the state intelligence apparatus. The intelligence information was not shared with relevant parties. The PSC also observes that further investigations will be needed to understand whether those with vested interests did not act on intelligence to create chaos and instill fear and uncertainty in the country.

Allegations coming out of India suggest that information was already available to the government 17 days before the attack. Can you give us a little bit of background? What was the evidence? What was the information that was available to India?

The Presidential Commission report presents evidence that four such warnings were given by the Indian government to our state intelligence service. But all the same, the Sri Lankan government did not warn the public and did not warn the Church. Instead, they circulated a private letter among themselves, asking the leaders to be careful, and avoid telling the public about it. Therefore, they knew about the attack that was coming. They knew that some people would be harmed or killed, but they didn’t want to prevent it.

The Sri Lankan intelligence services and the police came to know about the violence and violent activities of a man called Zahran Hashim, the founder of the Islamic group National Thowheed Jamath, because before the attack they discovered a training camp where Islamic extremists were being trained with explosive material, so they knew about this even aside from the Indian warnings. So, there was a series of discoveries about these people and their activities leading to possible future attacks. And then came the Indian warnings. So, when you put A and B together, it was clear that they knew about it. Then why did they not prevent it?

What advantage would the Sri Lankan authorities have in not warning their population that an attack could happen?

The Parliamentary Select Committee Report raises the possibility that they did not want that information to be given because they thought the attacks could create chaos in the country, and an electoral candidate would stand to gain if he promised stability and security for the people.That electoral candidate is the present president of Sri Lanka.One can one can put A and B together.

What are you asking for?
We want to live the truth. We want this Commission Report to be implemented. And there are some areas where the commission recommends further investigation, and we want further investigations in those areas. If that cannot happen, then we have no other choice but to go to the international community. We are running out of options.

How do you carry this weight?

It’s a difficult situation. We must pray continuously and ask the Lord to help us. Sometimes, in this struggle, I feel a little bit like the helpless Moses who tried to take his people out of Egypt and across the sea. To somehow achieve justice for our people means not to take revenge, but to find out who really did it and why? There was no provocation whatsoever. The victims never did anything harmful to anybody.

What is it that we can do?

The most important thing is to pray because the Lord is more powerful than anybody else. The Lord can give us justice through prayer. Continuous prayer is important for us, and also a spirit of solidarity and understanding that in these attacks not only Sri Lankans, but also several Americans were killed; there were several Europeans who were killed. There were 47 people from 14 countries killed and there were 82 children. The blood of all these people is crying out to heaven for justice. And as shepherd of these people, I represent God. I must stand on the side of Jesus Christ and on the side of the poor and the voiceless for justice, and that is why I am asking all to pray for us and to stand with us in solidarity.
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^Notice propaganda being pushed here. It's being propagated that there was intelligence inputs and the state did not act and hence those bombers and the organization behind them are not the culprits. Even if there are 1000 intelligence inputs, many could be disregarded, and could lead to failure. Does that shift blame from culprits? Also notice how he plays the someone want to create enmity between community nonsense. These are the same pseudo secular brigade trying to gain political and religious mileage using events. Rajapaksha clan's dictatorship is also causing Takleef to these kinds as well.
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It would be a great mistake for India to let Sri Lanka off the hook with no consequences. It will only strengthen those who think that it is India's policy to help any country against China. There will then no reason for them not to start borrowing again and get into a similar situation, and expect unconditional Indian help. The Youtube shows a case in the past when India sent experts to Sri Lanka to establish a dairy industry. Then all of a sudden they sent the experts back and closed the dairy. Sri Lanka found that the milk products imported from Australia and New Zealand were better in quality. They have now again asked for Indian help as they do not have foreign exchange to import dairy products from Australia/New Zealand.

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chetak wrote:
shaun wrote:
Don't think so , let them burn their hand , we apply burnol and they remain benevolent from time to time.

the combined population of nepal and SL exceeds 52 million

Of these 52+ millions, a vast majority are non tax paying and will be a financial, sociopolitical and a heavy cultural drag on India

we don't really need these entitled folk gumming up the works and causing social and societal tensions, drug related crimes and terrorist activities

a whole lot of gora hippies land up in both these countries

let them be as they are and give them a bit of money now and then.
As a Sri Lankan Tamil, I am sick and tired of reading you continuously keep "press bashing" and dehumanizing my countrymen, while you say Lankans are anti-Indians. No wonder why? I do understand that we need to fix our country and that is why our citizens are uprising to establish a country where all citizens are equal and meritocracy rules. The last time I checked, I don't think India is a meritocracy, and every one with skill and imagination may aspire to reach the highest potential. If you think your country is a regional superpower, it is natural for your smaller neighbors to expect humanitarian aid in times of need, that does not mean you call us "gora hippies" who are criminals and terrorists. Nobody is better than anybody.
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Sri Lanka has created enough trouble for India historically( providing Pakistan with stopovers during '71 is but one example), there is NO obligation for India to help them.
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^^^
All the more reason why India needs to make a hard bargain for providing help by having control of the land so that there are no misadventures in future. Similar to the situation with Maharajah Harisingh of J&K in 1947. Sign soft/hard accession, and we will step in to help. No point in giving away billions of $ without any concrete binding agreements.
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