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It's all Putin's fault. With limited opportunities in Syria and Iraq, all those trained ISIS with all their Saudi-funded goodies need somewhere to play, hain? Remember the THOUSANDS of ATGMs found in Syria. Unlimited funding, obviously.
Yes, India is under very severe threat.
Yes, India is under very severe threat.
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Official high alert in all cities of south and up the coasts
Madras central stn had a bomb threat exercise yesterday
Madras central stn had a bomb threat exercise yesterday
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This may be bad news for TN as well as India.
Hope that there is no spillover from there.
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Hope that there is no spillover from there.
Islamist Extremists Groups National Thowheed Jamath NTJ and Jammiyathul Millathu Ibrahim organisations banned in Sri Lanka under emergency regulations: PMD / Rupavahini
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too little, too late??
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All Ceylon Jamiyyathul Ulama ACJU requests Muslim sisters to not hinder security forces duty by wearing Face Cover (Niqab)
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Police chief Pujith Jayasundara has refused President Maithripala Sirisena's resign request following suicide bombings on churches and hotels, deepening the rift at top levels of government | Reuters
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Video released showing the bombers taking oath
https://twitter.com/TarekFatah/status/1 ... 99938?s=20
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Pro-ISIS Tamil group releases a video of threecsuicide bombers from Kalmunai, taking their Islamic oath:
"We will kill all kuffar (non-Muslims); spill their blood all ovr this country. For oppressing Muslims in #SriLanka, we will teach them a lesson.
https://twitter.com/TarekFatah/status/1 ... 99938?s=20
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Pro-ISIS Tamil group releases a video of threecsuicide bombers from Kalmunai, taking their Islamic oath:
"We will kill all kuffar (non-Muslims); spill their blood all ovr this country. For oppressing Muslims in #SriLanka, we will teach them a lesson.
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World tallest building Burj Khalifa in UAE lights up in solidarity with #SriLanka
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Significant in #SriLanka - a former soldier may have trained the suicide bombers.
'Police are looking in particular for former soldier Bathrudeen Mohammed Mohideen, known as Army Mohideen, who they say helped train the nine suicide bombers.'
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Significant in #SriLanka - a former soldier may have trained the suicide bombers.
'Police are looking in particular for former soldier Bathrudeen Mohammed Mohideen, known as Army Mohideen, who they say helped train the nine suicide bombers.'
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Seriously wounded child saved yesterday when his mother blew up the house
https://twitter.com/SriLankaTweet/statu ... 86465?s=20
https://twitter.com/SriLankaTweet/statu ... 86465?s=20
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A question.
Are all these jihadis Sri Lankan ethnicity?
Are all these jihadis Sri Lankan ethnicity?
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chetak wrote:twitter
Police chief Pujith Jayasundara has refused President Maithripala Sirisena's resign request following suicide bombings on churches and hotels, deepening the rift at top levels of government | Reuters
We need more news paper articles to understand t=whats happening. Twitter is just headlines.
SLG looks badly divided and needs to come together at this time. Instead we find with hunt and fixing blame.
Sirisena needs to look in the mirror as to how he contributed.
Al very big jihadi operation was underway and the security system was unaware.
Despite open videos and news paper reports of IS-Khorasan links to NTJ.
Even basic police work would show the network diagram of what was happening.
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Would the right way forward not be to fortify themselves, identify and demarcate a geographical space, and then in a coordinated attack cut off that space from the rest of the country holding hostages and ensuring that they get a foothold?Singha wrote:My guess a islamic insurgency in the eastern province.
The vbied factory found yesterday is 48km from a surfer town frequented by western surfers. Easy meat for any attack like bali nightclub bombing
By starting with a big bang, they have basically destroyed any dream they might have had to establish a caliphate. Unless their real intent was just mindless violence, as it seems to be.
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Islamist terrorists are mostly proxies for foreign powers. It is not "mindless". Someone is gaining financially or politically from the mayhem. Also possible that the lower level operators may not even know who the real operators are.yensoy wrote:Would the right way forward not be to fortify themselves, identify and demarcate a geographical space, and then in a coordinated attack cut off that space from the rest of the country holding hostages and ensuring that they get a foothold?Singha wrote:My guess a islamic insurgency in the eastern province.
The vbied factory found yesterday is 48km from a surfer town frequented by western surfers. Easy meat for any attack like bali nightclub bombing
By starting with a big bang, they have basically destroyed any dream they might have had to establish a caliphate. Unless their real intent was just mindless violence, as it seems to be.
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He can not be fired by the President. Actually the President should have resigned and set an example. But that is too much to expect.chetak wrote:twitter
Police chief Pujith Jayasundara has refused President Maithripala Sirisena's resign request following suicide bombings on churches and hotels, deepening the rift at top levels of government | Reuters
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Yup.saip wrote:He can not be fired by the President. Actually the President should have resigned and set an example. But that is too much to expect.chetak wrote:twitter
looks like the SL parliament is the only one which can do it.
stoopid rules.
Our own rules are complicated too. The executive has been forced to accept judicial/opposition representatives to make some appointments, appointments to which the judiciary/opposition just has no functional responsibility but some bunch of BIF liberandus from FFNGOs have stage managed it and shoehorned such guys in.
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I've heard of suicide bombers killing people but this is the first time I've heard of (i) so many female suicide bombers and (ii) blowing themselves up around children.....(iii) their own children, and in one case, she was pregnant (as I understand, this happened a 5-6 days ago, and killed 3 policemen who came to talk to her).Singha wrote:Seriously wounded child saved yesterday when his mother blew up the house
https://twitter.com/SriLankaTweet/statu ... 86465?s=20
The level of indoctrination with this terrorist group is beyond anything else seen thus far. This is a new world.
Even in the story linked above, the mother set off the bomb in her own house and had no reason to expect the (her?) child to survive. I've not heard sh*t like this even from the decades-old Palestine/Israel war zone. (PS: Just heard that one suicide bomber blew himself up around children in a church where they kids had just finised SUnday school- I guess if they dont care about their own kids, they would not think twice about killing other kids).
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I see it like this: To pre-emptively "put pressure on GoSL" by issuing a public travel advisory would have been a drastic step. Firstly, it would have alerted the terrorists. Secondly, it presumes that we don't think the Srilankans won't take any action--would the GoI have known how dysfunctional they were beforehand? Thirdly, India would have taken a substantial diplomatic hit with Sri Lanka, affecting their on-again, off-again cooperation with us on so many levels. If I were a Sri Lankan official and India would have issued such a public warning, I think I would have taken it as an unfriendly act from a supposed friend.arshyam wrote:Fair enough, it is a tough call. No country would want to expose its capabilities. But by the same token, a public advisory might have put pressure on the Sri Lankans to actually do something about it.KLNMurthy wrote: Travel advisory would have meant coming out publicly with information that was supposed to have been confidential. It would also have been an advisory for the terrorists and their sponsors that India knows what was about to happen and who will be doing it.
I think it is easy to do armchair quarterbacking, and as long as we are talking about "Indian tendencies", or "we are like this onlee", I can say that we Indians have a habit of harshly criticizing officialdom, babus, etc. who are on the ground, just based on some vague feelings. Yes babus need to do better, but maybe we the Great Indian Public can also learn to be more responsible and make sure our criticisms are well-grounded. And perhaps we can start learning to give the benefit of the doubt to our people?
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Would the GoI NOT known how dysfunctional SL Goverment is? Then what is the purpose of having an Ambassador, just to lie abroad?
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With all the Sarong-shivering (UBCN is very geo-culturally-sensitive) about Embassy and Ministry and SDOTUS Travel Advisories, we have a pooch,
In an age of Internet and newspapers and TV, HuTheHeck needs Ophishial Guvrmand Advisories saying
If not, I wish these baboon would refrain from this nonsense practice. What sort of cretin has no interest in the news about a place they are about to visit?
In an age of Internet and newspapers and TV, HuTheHeck needs Ophishial Guvrmand Advisories saying
Are these assured to get a refund of air and hotel reservations? Waiver of change penalties? Can u sue an airline saying they refused to observe the Ophishial Advisory?Orangutan Alert or BE CAREFUL or AVOID NON-ESSENTIAL TRAVEL?
If not, I wish these baboon would refrain from this nonsense practice. What sort of cretin has no interest in the news about a place they are about to visit?
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And pigs will fly and and it will snow in Colombo.Yes babus need to do better, but maybe we the Great Indian Public can also learn to be more responsible and make sure our criticisms are well-grounded. And perhaps we can start learning to give the benefit of the doubt to our people?
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paki ragpaper 'dawn' is going gaga reporting that SL bomber mastermind allegedly send "substantial time" in india quoting a hindu report. morons
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In DailyMirror of Sri Lanka, but all about India:
http://island.lk/index.php?page_cat=art ... tle=203317
Three Indian intelligence alerts had names of attackers, locations and plot being hatched
Sent to SL before devastating serial bombings
April 27, 2019, 7:31 pm
BY S VENKAT NARAYAN,
Our Special Correspondent
NEW DELHI, April 27: The three intelligence alerts India had sent to Sri Lanka before the devastating serial bombings that killed over 250 people in the island on Easter Sunday had specific details – names of attackers, locations and the plot being hatched.
In the shadowy world of intelligence-gathering, the ‘alert’ is a much-abused but vital tool that can make the difference between life and death. Every day, agencies deal with dozens of alerts, with the numbers occasionally crossing into three figures, but the toughest job is to act on them, as shown in Colombo.
The Multi-Agency Centre (MAC) within India’s Intelligence Bureau (IB), which is at the heart of intelligence dissemination, has had its share of failures and successes. It has managed to prevent lone-wolf or ISIS-scale attacks within the country. Its failures included the inability to prevent the attack in Pulwama (Jammu and Kashmir) in February this year, and the serial blasts that rocked Mumbai in 1993.
The Multi-Agency Centre, which is referred to as MAC within the system, was revamped in 2009, after the 26/11 attack, to streamline intelligence gathering and is the nodal body at the Centre for sharing intelligence inputs.
The apex body has 24 agencies – from the Research & Analysis Wing (R&AW) and Military Intelligence to the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) and the Enforcement Directorate (ED) – that share intelligence on a day-to-day basis.
The intelligence collected is sifted through, classified, collated and shared with law enforcers on the ground. On a typical day, the MAC generates 10-15 alerts. But when a big event takes place or in a packed election season, the number of alerts can go up to 100,000 per year.
For counter-terrorism, MAC classifies threats into five theatres: namely Jammu & Kashmir, Left Wing Extremism (LWE) or Maoism or Naxalism, the North East, Punjab and Hinterland. Its motto is: detect, disrupt, degrade and eventually destroy.
The information shared by agencies is broadly classified into four groups. Category A is considered the "most reliable and credible" and Category B is termed as credible but unable to be corroborated.
Each categorization has further sub-categorizations as well. "There are several factors that come to play during categorization of information. Suppose the source is good and his/her earlier information or sets of information have been found to be genuine and authentic, the value of information or intelligence goes up," a top Intelligence Bureau sleuth explained.
At the top level is A1 intelligence, where the information is accurate, generated by more than one source and has identifiers that can make it actionable.
In the months prior to the Pulwama suicide bombing on February 14, MAC shared inputs with the military about a spurt in the training of terror cadres across the border on improvised explosive devices.
These inputs ranged from talking about a group of recent recruits that had undergone specialized training to information that attempts were being made locally to produce such explosives. This information was mostly marked in Category B.
However, in December, more specific information came in the ‘next to apex’ A2 level – that Jaish-e-Mohamed’s top bomb maker Abdul Rasheed Ghazi had been sent to train local recruits. While a manhunt was launched, he appears to have succeeded in the mission with the Pulwama strike by a local youth.
Information classified as Category C is unconfirmed, while Category D consists of all sundry and unverified alerts that are processed for future references. Information shared in the B, C and D categories is often used to track a trend or get a lead.
"For any information or intelligence to become actionable, there are five components which are needed. They include: name, place, person, organisation and event," a Home Ministry official said.
After analysing the five components, the next challenge for intelligence sleuths is to obtain an identifier such as a telephone number, email ID, passport or voice sample to narrow down the search for a person or a definitive lead that can result in an arrest.
This is the most difficult part in sharing of intelligence, when at the ground level, the police is required to leverage the information and finally nab the culprit. This is mostly done at the local or state level, said another official.
Explaining how MAC compiles its alerts, an official added: "Any information/alert received by the MAC control room is immediately filed and followed up with the local authority and SIB (State Intelligence Bureau).
"The IB official handling the MAC desk will not only file his report and action taken on the piece of information but will also create a folder within the system for the person who is coming after him to follow."
The 24-hour monitoring and recording of threats and alerts are then discussed every morning with top brass from the Ministry of Home Affairs, the National Security Advisor, IB and R&AW, among others. At the state level, there is a subsidiary MAC, which functions in a similar manner.
Although the system has been in place since 2002, it got a completely new look in 2009. MAC meetings to share intelligence are scheduled every working day, with nodal officers of the 24 member-agencies expected to attend.
http://island.lk/index.php?page_cat=art ... tle=203317
Three Indian intelligence alerts had names of attackers, locations and plot being hatched
Sent to SL before devastating serial bombings
April 27, 2019, 7:31 pm
BY S VENKAT NARAYAN,
Our Special Correspondent
NEW DELHI, April 27: The three intelligence alerts India had sent to Sri Lanka before the devastating serial bombings that killed over 250 people in the island on Easter Sunday had specific details – names of attackers, locations and the plot being hatched.
In the shadowy world of intelligence-gathering, the ‘alert’ is a much-abused but vital tool that can make the difference between life and death. Every day, agencies deal with dozens of alerts, with the numbers occasionally crossing into three figures, but the toughest job is to act on them, as shown in Colombo.
The Multi-Agency Centre (MAC) within India’s Intelligence Bureau (IB), which is at the heart of intelligence dissemination, has had its share of failures and successes. It has managed to prevent lone-wolf or ISIS-scale attacks within the country. Its failures included the inability to prevent the attack in Pulwama (Jammu and Kashmir) in February this year, and the serial blasts that rocked Mumbai in 1993.
The Multi-Agency Centre, which is referred to as MAC within the system, was revamped in 2009, after the 26/11 attack, to streamline intelligence gathering and is the nodal body at the Centre for sharing intelligence inputs.
The apex body has 24 agencies – from the Research & Analysis Wing (R&AW) and Military Intelligence to the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) and the Enforcement Directorate (ED) – that share intelligence on a day-to-day basis.
The intelligence collected is sifted through, classified, collated and shared with law enforcers on the ground. On a typical day, the MAC generates 10-15 alerts. But when a big event takes place or in a packed election season, the number of alerts can go up to 100,000 per year.
For counter-terrorism, MAC classifies threats into five theatres: namely Jammu & Kashmir, Left Wing Extremism (LWE) or Maoism or Naxalism, the North East, Punjab and Hinterland. Its motto is: detect, disrupt, degrade and eventually destroy.
The information shared by agencies is broadly classified into four groups. Category A is considered the "most reliable and credible" and Category B is termed as credible but unable to be corroborated.
Each categorization has further sub-categorizations as well. "There are several factors that come to play during categorization of information. Suppose the source is good and his/her earlier information or sets of information have been found to be genuine and authentic, the value of information or intelligence goes up," a top Intelligence Bureau sleuth explained.
At the top level is A1 intelligence, where the information is accurate, generated by more than one source and has identifiers that can make it actionable.
In the months prior to the Pulwama suicide bombing on February 14, MAC shared inputs with the military about a spurt in the training of terror cadres across the border on improvised explosive devices.
These inputs ranged from talking about a group of recent recruits that had undergone specialized training to information that attempts were being made locally to produce such explosives. This information was mostly marked in Category B.
However, in December, more specific information came in the ‘next to apex’ A2 level – that Jaish-e-Mohamed’s top bomb maker Abdul Rasheed Ghazi had been sent to train local recruits. While a manhunt was launched, he appears to have succeeded in the mission with the Pulwama strike by a local youth.
Information classified as Category C is unconfirmed, while Category D consists of all sundry and unverified alerts that are processed for future references. Information shared in the B, C and D categories is often used to track a trend or get a lead.
"For any information or intelligence to become actionable, there are five components which are needed. They include: name, place, person, organisation and event," a Home Ministry official said.
After analysing the five components, the next challenge for intelligence sleuths is to obtain an identifier such as a telephone number, email ID, passport or voice sample to narrow down the search for a person or a definitive lead that can result in an arrest.
This is the most difficult part in sharing of intelligence, when at the ground level, the police is required to leverage the information and finally nab the culprit. This is mostly done at the local or state level, said another official.
Explaining how MAC compiles its alerts, an official added: "Any information/alert received by the MAC control room is immediately filed and followed up with the local authority and SIB (State Intelligence Bureau).
"The IB official handling the MAC desk will not only file his report and action taken on the piece of information but will also create a folder within the system for the person who is coming after him to follow."
The 24-hour monitoring and recording of threats and alerts are then discussed every morning with top brass from the Ministry of Home Affairs, the National Security Advisor, IB and R&AW, among others. At the state level, there is a subsidiary MAC, which functions in a similar manner.
Although the system has been in place since 2002, it got a completely new look in 2009. MAC meetings to share intelligence are scheduled every working day, with nodal officers of the 24 member-agencies expected to attend.
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The Islamic State group has claimed three of the militants were killed in a shootout with police in Kalmunai.
In a statement published early Sunday by the extremists’ Aamaq news agency, IS gave their noms du guerre as Abu Hammad, Abu Sufyan and Abu al-Qa’qa, the Associated Press reported.
It says they opened fire with automatic weapons and “after exhausting their ammunition, detonated on them their explosive belts.”
In a statement published early Sunday by the extremists’ Aamaq news agency, IS gave their noms du guerre as Abu Hammad, Abu Sufyan and Abu al-Qa’qa, the Associated Press reported.
It says they opened fire with automatic weapons and “after exhausting their ammunition, detonated on them their explosive belts.”
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former defence minister in mahinda rajapaksa govt in 2009. is he cheen pasand or neutral? chances are high given the political chaos a new "strongman" will win
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Maybe, but as saip pointed out, don't we have diplomatic staff whose job is to know these things? Anyway, going forward, the Sri Lankans have no excuse to feel offended. Add the fact that GoI has finally issued an advisory means that we can expect more proactive actions going forward.KLNMurthy wrote:I see it like this: To pre-emptively "put pressure on GoSL" by issuing a public travel advisory would have been a drastic step. Firstly, it would have alerted the terrorists. Secondly, it presumes that we don't think the Srilankans won't take any action--would the GoI have known how dysfunctional they were beforehand? Thirdly, India would have taken a substantial diplomatic hit with Sri Lanka, affecting their on-again, off-again cooperation with us on so many levels. If I were a Sri Lankan official and India would have issued such a public warning, I think I would have taken it as an unfriendly act from a supposed friend.arshyam wrote:
Fair enough, it is a tough call. No country would want to expose its capabilities. But by the same token, a public advisory might have put pressure on the Sri Lankans to actually do something about it.
Thanks for the gyaan. But the Great Indian Public is merely asking since 10 Indians also died in these attacks (I am surprised by your use of a dismissive "vague feelings"). This was at a time GoI had accurate intel, which if you notice is being reinforced on an almost daily basis (that's an interesting topic in itself).KLNMurthy wrote:I think it is easy to do armchair quarterbacking, and as long as we are talking about "Indian tendencies", or "we are like this onlee", I can say that we Indians have a habit of harshly criticizing officialdom, babus, etc. who are on the ground, just based on some vague feelings. Yes babus need to do better, but maybe we the Great Indian Public can also learn to be more responsible and make sure our criticisms are well-grounded. And perhaps we can start learning to give the benefit of the doubt to our people?
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^Gotabaya is front of Mahinda.
Mahinda is cheen friendly and put Sri Lanka in deep debt to Chinese. Further employed Sanghai Statistics to show Higher-than-actual GDP growth. SL is in deep doodoo to Cheen because of Mahinda. See this -> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/26/opin ... ative.html
Worst, it is "rumoured" that Chinese Nuclear Submarine docked at Hambanthota during Mahinda's regime.
So following the theory of "cui bono" (who benefits?), I am of the opinion that Cheen asked its dog bakistan to trigger the suicide bombing under the guess of "ISIS" and do the "Jihad" in Sri Lanka. This creates the environment to bring back Cheen-pasand (Cheen favoured) Rajapaksas into power and the strategic game goes advantage Cheen in IOR.
Mahinda is cheen friendly and put Sri Lanka in deep debt to Chinese. Further employed Sanghai Statistics to show Higher-than-actual GDP growth. SL is in deep doodoo to Cheen because of Mahinda. See this -> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/26/opin ... ative.html
Worst, it is "rumoured" that Chinese Nuclear Submarine docked at Hambanthota during Mahinda's regime.
So following the theory of "cui bono" (who benefits?), I am of the opinion that Cheen asked its dog bakistan to trigger the suicide bombing under the guess of "ISIS" and do the "Jihad" in Sri Lanka. This creates the environment to bring back Cheen-pasand (Cheen favoured) Rajapaksas into power and the strategic game goes advantage Cheen in IOR.
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makes sense that this is part of a regime change game since current regime is not a cheen vassal.
question is how can these usurpers be discredited. perhaps old files and scandals need to be dug and leaked now. india can ally with current setup to discredit these cheen puppies.
leftist world media is also part of the conspiracy, publishing daily articles to discredit the current govt.
question is how can these usurpers be discredited. perhaps old files and scandals need to be dug and leaked now. india can ally with current setup to discredit these cheen puppies.
leftist world media is also part of the conspiracy, publishing daily articles to discredit the current govt.
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Apologies for the OT post here but can forum gurus recommend me few good books which provides detailed analysis and insights about
A. Rise and fall of LTTE as organisation.
B. Prabhakaran as the chief of LTTE.
Thanks in advance.
A. Rise and fall of LTTE as organisation.
B. Prabhakaran as the chief of LTTE.
Thanks in advance.
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Sri Lanka is a complicated country.
On the one hand they are a west Pakistan-Bangladesh redux. It was a TFTA Sinhalese vs SDRE tamils. There are several parallels between west pakistan trying to disenfranchise east Pakistan and impose their language/culture on east pakistanis and trying to reduce their political representation.
A significant Tamil minority had been marginalized over decades. Sinhalese made official language and government sponsored settlement shifting the demographics of tamil majority regions (the tamil majority regions have the tendency to elect tamil nationalist politicians). On top of that they had reservations that drastically cut down on tamil students in universities and banned the travel/exchange of tamils with India.
Behind all this was perceived the cultural superiority of Sinhalese: They had resisted the hindu Kings of South India for centuries. Also try calling a sinhalese named "Arjuna" as "Arjun" and see the interesting reaction.
Then comes LTTE. It was more of a civil war than terrorism. Thats why India, at several times, refused to arm Sri Lanka with heavy weapons. (Sri Lanka has the unfortunate tendency for genocide). Nevertheless, the end-game against LTTE was brutal. SL army killed civilians/LTTE en-masse on all tamil dominated regions. Hundreds of women (not sure if they were LTTE) were raped and photographed naked and dead (curiously all the men are clothed). After the war MK Narayanan made several trips to make sure that tamil rights were recognized and it all came to a naught. The resettlement policy still continues. I understand the visceral reaction against "human rights" whenever terrorism/civil war is going on, but the SL action was especially brutal. The follow through even more brutal. This wound is going to fester for decades unless amends or made (or unless all tamils are killed off).
The insistence of Tamil rights on India's part is what firmly Pushed SL into China and Pakistan's lap. (With disastrous consequences).
Add to all this is the Sri Lankan muslims. They are SDRE tamil speaking population, but consider themselves descendants of arab merchants and Pathan migrants from Afghanistan, so they do not identify themselves with the tamil cause. They think they are TFTA as against the SDRE tamil hindus/xtians. They were massacred/oppressed en-masse by the Portuguese, (probably influenced by what had happened in Spain). Nevertheless, they got along just fine with XTians.
Now the Towheed Jamaat. Interesting thing about "Towheed" is that it means "Monotheist". As against the idol worshipping polytheist tamil hindus and idol worshipping Xtian. The curious thing is that pointing a finger upwards is a gang sign of ISIS ("No god but god/there is only one god" etc etc) and now the Towheed fellas are doing the same gesture. That by itself does not mean they are ISIS, they might be inspired by ISIS (side note, if you see any fella doing the one finger pointing up at the sky, run from that place).
The bombing is confusing too. TATP is hard to make, it goes boom if shaken, or dropped or pretty much even stared at intently. Making it, and making sure that a bum goes off means that the bum must've been tested first. Or someone with insurgency training made it for them. Also bum-makers are valuable fellas and dont go out on Soosai missions so its possible that the bum-maker didnt go boom. On top of that two brothers seem to be the sons of a super wealthy man in SL and usually the super wealthy types might sponsor terror, but sending his own sons seems to be an extreme step.
About the terror warnings being ignored. In most countries, intelligence gathering is split from enforcement (I am talking about internal intelligence). For example in desh, IB does not have power of arrest. The connection between gathering and enforcement is usually politicians, this is to make sure that intelligence agencies do not become too powerful. Else you'd have an ISI. On top of that if enforcement goes wrong, the politicians are the ones to take the fall so they typically keep that control.
So blaming SL *intelligence* for the attack is premature. The blame probably lies with their netas, who did not order action. They either underestimated the threat or thought that 2-3 people killed by some knife wielding jihadi yahoo can be used for political advantage. The jihadis killed 250+. Note that these worthies are probably known to the intel agencies given the speed at which they started killing them off, arresting and raiding their hideouts. This is a political failure.
On the one hand they are a west Pakistan-Bangladesh redux. It was a TFTA Sinhalese vs SDRE tamils. There are several parallels between west pakistan trying to disenfranchise east Pakistan and impose their language/culture on east pakistanis and trying to reduce their political representation.
A significant Tamil minority had been marginalized over decades. Sinhalese made official language and government sponsored settlement shifting the demographics of tamil majority regions (the tamil majority regions have the tendency to elect tamil nationalist politicians). On top of that they had reservations that drastically cut down on tamil students in universities and banned the travel/exchange of tamils with India.
Behind all this was perceived the cultural superiority of Sinhalese: They had resisted the hindu Kings of South India for centuries. Also try calling a sinhalese named "Arjuna" as "Arjun" and see the interesting reaction.
Then comes LTTE. It was more of a civil war than terrorism. Thats why India, at several times, refused to arm Sri Lanka with heavy weapons. (Sri Lanka has the unfortunate tendency for genocide). Nevertheless, the end-game against LTTE was brutal. SL army killed civilians/LTTE en-masse on all tamil dominated regions. Hundreds of women (not sure if they were LTTE) were raped and photographed naked and dead (curiously all the men are clothed). After the war MK Narayanan made several trips to make sure that tamil rights were recognized and it all came to a naught. The resettlement policy still continues. I understand the visceral reaction against "human rights" whenever terrorism/civil war is going on, but the SL action was especially brutal. The follow through even more brutal. This wound is going to fester for decades unless amends or made (or unless all tamils are killed off).
The insistence of Tamil rights on India's part is what firmly Pushed SL into China and Pakistan's lap. (With disastrous consequences).
Add to all this is the Sri Lankan muslims. They are SDRE tamil speaking population, but consider themselves descendants of arab merchants and Pathan migrants from Afghanistan, so they do not identify themselves with the tamil cause. They think they are TFTA as against the SDRE tamil hindus/xtians. They were massacred/oppressed en-masse by the Portuguese, (probably influenced by what had happened in Spain). Nevertheless, they got along just fine with XTians.
Now the Towheed Jamaat. Interesting thing about "Towheed" is that it means "Monotheist". As against the idol worshipping polytheist tamil hindus and idol worshipping Xtian. The curious thing is that pointing a finger upwards is a gang sign of ISIS ("No god but god/there is only one god" etc etc) and now the Towheed fellas are doing the same gesture. That by itself does not mean they are ISIS, they might be inspired by ISIS (side note, if you see any fella doing the one finger pointing up at the sky, run from that place).
The bombing is confusing too. TATP is hard to make, it goes boom if shaken, or dropped or pretty much even stared at intently. Making it, and making sure that a bum goes off means that the bum must've been tested first. Or someone with insurgency training made it for them. Also bum-makers are valuable fellas and dont go out on Soosai missions so its possible that the bum-maker didnt go boom. On top of that two brothers seem to be the sons of a super wealthy man in SL and usually the super wealthy types might sponsor terror, but sending his own sons seems to be an extreme step.
About the terror warnings being ignored. In most countries, intelligence gathering is split from enforcement (I am talking about internal intelligence). For example in desh, IB does not have power of arrest. The connection between gathering and enforcement is usually politicians, this is to make sure that intelligence agencies do not become too powerful. Else you'd have an ISI. On top of that if enforcement goes wrong, the politicians are the ones to take the fall so they typically keep that control.
So blaming SL *intelligence* for the attack is premature. The blame probably lies with their netas, who did not order action. They either underestimated the threat or thought that 2-3 people killed by some knife wielding jihadi yahoo can be used for political advantage. The jihadis killed 250+. Note that these worthies are probably known to the intel agencies given the speed at which they started killing them off, arresting and raiding their hideouts. This is a political failure.
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India should stop analyzing and act in its favor.disha wrote:......
... This creates the environment to bring back Cheen-pasand (Cheen favoured) Rajapaksas into power and the strategic game goes advantage Cheen in IOR.
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We don't know the facts of what communication was sent by Indian embassy Colombo, nor will we, unless there is another Wikileak or some enterprising reporter comes up with inside knowledge. We can only speculate about it. My only observation is that the speculation too often tends to assign stupidity or incompetence to our people, in hindsight, when speculation is all that we have to base it on. The downside of this is that public morale, and sometimes officials' morale, is lowered, just based on speculation.arshyam wrote: ...
Maybe, but as saip pointed out, don't we have diplomatic staff whose job is to know these things? Anyway, going forward, the Sri Lankans have no excuse to feel offended. Add the fact that GoI has finally issued an advisory means that we can expect more proactive actions going forward.
There are always people in senior, responsible positions whose job it is to evaluate information and make recommendations in real time, and they don't get it right 100% of the time, and this becomes known only after the event occurs. I am not saying that they should remain complacent and not improve the decision-making process, what I am saying is that getting a complex recommendation wrong, even when the consequences are tragic, is not necessarily evidence of incompetence or negligence.
My use of the term "vague" refers to the basis for demanding that pre-emptive travel advisory should have been issued, not the intelligence received by India and given to Lanka. Without some knowledge of what communications actually transpired and what process was followed, if we just denounce GoI for not having issued a pre-emptive travel advisory (issuing one after the attacks is trivially simple) means that we have just decided there should have been a pre-emptive travel advisory and then treated our decision as a self-evident action which then makes it possible to condemn GoI in hindsight for failing to take that self-evident action.arshyam wrote:Thanks for the gyaan. But the Great Indian Public is merely asking since 10 Indians also died in these attacks (I am surprised by your use of a dismissive "vague feelings"). This was at a time GoI had accurate intel, which if you notice is being reinforced on an almost daily basis (that's an interesting topic in itself).
We do this kind of thing all the time. To take a tangential example, someone wrote a book about the 2002 riots in Gujarat in which they "proved" that Modi was responsible by arguing that: police took 30 min (or whatever time) to come to a Muslim family's house which was under attack, "obviously" this was too long, and "obviously" it proved that Modi told the police to take it slow because he had a review meeting with the police control center a couple of hours before the incident. Here, no basis is offered for assuming that 30 min (or whatever) response time was too long under those kind of riot circumstances. Yet, as we know, lot of people bought the argument, no doubt due to confirmation bias etc.
I am suggesting that on BRF we should have higher standards than that.
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I think enough let's move on.
ELMO.
ELMO.
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The dead Jihadi is supposed to have been to India.
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Note the Daddy arrested for HELPING his sons inflate themselves.SriKumar wrote: if they dont care about their own kids, they would not think twice about killing other kids).
Islamist Parental Wish:
Why bother to make them in the first place I wonder. Why not make a big donation to say, the Boko Haram or Al Shabab?I want my sons to grow up strong and handsome and blow themselves up killing smaller children
The wives going boom is totally understandable, given that (a) they are well aware of Hubby's Hobby and (b) imminent certainty of SL Polis/Army social interactions to follow. The ones I feel bad for are the ones who really did not know that when Hubby said: "I have to go out to The Club this evening" it was not just to (never mind) goats.
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It is far, far more insidious than not caring about their children.UlanBatori wrote:Note the Daddy arrested for HELPING his sons inflate themselves.SriKumar wrote: if they dont care about their own kids, they would not think twice about killing other kids).
Islamist Parental Wish:Why bother to make them in the first place I wonder. Why not make a big donation to say, the Boko Haram or Al Shabab?I want my sons to grow up strong and handsome and blow themselves up killing smaller children
Parents of this religious stripe actually believe they are doing good for their children by having them kill others and themselves.
They BELIEVE in their version of heaven that allows them luxury in the afterlife for soaking this one in blood. It is simply a body of belief with blood thirsty tenets.
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Sri Lanka bomb blasts: NIA detains 3 youths from Kerala over suspected links with key conspirator, ISIS
Sri Lanka bomb blasts: NIA detains 3 youths from Kerala over suspected links with key conspirator, ISIS
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next SL presidential election is in october this year.
suddenly elder bro Rajpaksa has become very active to help his brother.
either its a well planned ecosystem flow or deft opportunism.
suddenly elder bro Rajpaksa has become very active to help his brother.
either its a well planned ecosystem flow or deft opportunism.
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zakir naik as a good muslim has been given shelter in malaysia. they have refused to extradite him.
india is trying to get a interpol red corner notice on him.
india should not take it lightly , these preachers who run and hide in saudi and malaysia after stirring the pot here. there must be serious consequences atleast on trade and security co-op front for harbouring such jihadi preachers.
india is trying to get a interpol red corner notice on him.
india should not take it lightly , these preachers who run and hide in saudi and malaysia after stirring the pot here. there must be serious consequences atleast on trade and security co-op front for harbouring such jihadi preachers.
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details on the pig who failed to detonate himself in the Taj. blew himself up in a lodge 10km away to join the 72 express. but killed 2 innocent people in the next room.
details on the pig who failed to detonate himself in the Taj. blew himself up in a lodge 10km away to join the 72 express. but killed 2 innocent people in the next room.
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T56 is chinese copy of ak47. it has wooden stock.
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