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isubodh wrote:
Shankas wrote:The situation in Sri Lanka presents an opportunity for India to make it a satellite (vassal) state like Bhutan.
Can Sri Lanka be asked to give up its currency, Defence and External affairs to India ?
How ? Will they need a referendum ? What are the chances of success of such a referendum?
Any other way possible ?

India should think about a "greater India" that encompasses its neighbourhood., in return for economic and military security ., they can have political freedom to choose their "governance".. Bhutan, Nepal, Srilanka are ripe for this
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kit wrote:
isubodh wrote:
Can Sri Lanka be asked to give up its currency, Defence and External affairs to India ?
How ? Will they need a referendum ? What are the chances of success of such a referendum?
Any other way possible ?

Bhutan maybe....


nepal and lanka are well past the point of no return

no need to collect garbage


India should think about a "greater India" that encompasses its neighbourhood., in return for economic and military security ., they can have political freedom to choose their "governance".. Bhutan, Nepal, Srilanka are ripe for this
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What is it about the members of BRF that are open to jumping both feet first into the fire.

The fact that PRC has started taking over sovereignty of certain assets is good for us.

Let those who thought that putting their little heads in the jaws of the crocodile to spite India. Suffer the consequences of that foolish delusion.

There is a reason why these nations ran to PRC for support. If they are rescued from PRC without them suffering from any consequences. The lesson will never be learnt. They will be back to abusing India in no time.

With PRC owing the land physically. We have an opportunity to turn the population against PRC, if we play our card's right.
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Pratyush wrote:What is it about the members of BRF that are open to jumping both feet first into the fire.

The fact that PRC has started taking over sovereignty of certain assets is good for us.

Let those who thought that putting their little heads in the jaws of the crocodile to spite India. Suffer the consequences of that foolish delusion.

There is a reason why these nations ran to PRC for support. If they are rescued from PRC without them suffering from any consequences. The lesson will never be learnt. They will be back to abusing India in no time.

With PRC owing the land physically. We have an opportunity to turn the population against PRC, if we play our card's right.
A fire in your neighbour's house doesn't take long to spread to one's own !!.. India should be able to guarantee economic and military support in return for political integration
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i dont particularly like the economic political integration part. need to diversify the countries with different dahrmic traditions. so atleast some countries still have some strong dharmic institutions running at a given time. maybe my once bitten twice shy anxiety coming into play here.
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bharathp wrote:i dont particularly like the economic political integration part. need to diversify the countries with different dahrmic traditions. so atleast some countries still have some strong dharmic institutions running at a given time. maybe my once bitten twice shy anxiety coming into play here.
This is not that complicated.
1) The message should be "You are with us willingly or you are with us unwillingly"
2) With us willingly will mean peace, protection, and prosperity.
3) With us unwillingly will mean chaos, political instability, and hyperinflation.

(A) You being with us is a privilege and a choice made by us.
(B) As a leader and political party your political fate and party's survival is on you.
(C) You and your party must state your position publicly
(D) Wrong choice and you will be out of power in 2 years.

The above is practiced very ruthlessly by France in Africa.

I will share my observations about Guinee (Conakry)
1) Fuel supply on credit is always maintained at around 10 days
2) The president can be called on short notice and he will fly to France
3) He will meet a 2nd or 3rd level bureaucrat and take instructions
4) If you are defiant, the fuel ships enroute slow down by 3-4 knots
5) The military general will make some rumbling noise
6) The opposition leader will put out a statement on cost of living and unemployment
7) Guinee franc drops in value by 5% (exactly)

All this happens while the president is still in France at dinner.

Now swap Guinee (Conakry) with Mali, Ivory Coast, Togo, Benin, Burkina, etc.
Below is a map of Francophone Africa

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chetak wrote:Lankan Tamils should be reminded that China armed Sri Lankan Army with lethal weapons during the final Eelam war, which caused massive collateral damage.


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And India didn't?
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Tamils to Chinese: North-East Sri Lanka, the Tamil Homeland, is not for Sale
https://www.einpresswire.com/article/56 ... dZOnfDeAxu
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Tuan wrote:
chetak wrote:Lankan Tamils should be reminded that China armed Sri Lankan Army with lethal weapons during the final Eelam war, which caused massive collateral damage.


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And India didn't?
the ltte operated in India too.

they didn't do that to the cheeni

we were a big part of their eelam plans and still are, so that makes it personal
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China warned Sri Lanka to stay away from India, Sri Lanka doubled down on its engagement with India


China warned Sri Lanka to stay away from India, Sri Lanka doubled down on its engagement with India

Abhinav Singh
17 January 2022

After India extended a bailout package worth $900 million to Sri Lanka, the island country is now requesting New Delhi to pour investments into the port, infrastructure, energy, power, and manufacturing sectors. Shortly after Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi’s visit to Sri Lanka, the request from the top government officials in Colombo to India may come as a rude shocker to Xi Jinping and his politburo.

Reportedly, Sri Lankan Finance Minister Basil Rajapaksa held talks with External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar on Saturday (January 15) and discussed projects and investment plans by India that would strengthen the economy of the island nation.

Thanking New Delhi for the bailout package, Rajapaksa also added that Colombo will create a ‘conducive environment’ so that it benefits both sides.

Just concluded a detailed virtual meeting with Sri Lankan Finance Minister @RealBRajapaksa.

Reaffirmed that India will be a steadfast and reliable partner of Sri Lanka. pic.twitter.com/aYgKEpkSFy

— Dr. S. Jaishankar (@DrSJaishankar) January 15, 2022

India and Sri Lanka to jointly develop the Trincomalee Oil Tank farm
Sri Lanka’s serenading gesture towards India comes on the heel of the recent decision of jointly developing the oil tank farm in the island’s north-eastern Trincomalee province.

As reported by TFI, giving major heartburn to China, New Delhi and Colombo, earlier this month (January 5) announced their decision to jointly develop the tank farm. According to the agreement reached, the Indian Oil Subsidiary, Lanka IOC (LIOC) would be given a 49% stake in the joint development of the Trincomalee Oil Tank farm, with Ceylon Petroleum Corporation keeping 51%.

Located in China Bay, the tank was built during the Second World War by the British to serve as a refuelling station. The Oil farm has 99 storage tanks with a capacity of 12,000 kilolitres. Currently, LIOC runs 15 tanks but the deal will see 61 tanks being jointly developed.

Stuck since 1987, the deal completed only after PM Modi’s intervention
In 1987, India and Sri Lanka agreed to jointly restore and operate the Trincomalee oil tank farm through an exchange of letters annexed with the India-Sri Lanka agreement signed between the two countries. However, owing to the civil war and several other bottlenecks, the deal could never reach its fruition.

After PM Modi visited Sri Lanka in 2015, the two sides agreed to set up a petroleum hub in Trincomalee, for which a “joint task force” would draw up plans. However, with China lovers sitting in the Sri Lankan cabinet, the deal went into a lull once again.

But with Sri Lanka spiralling into an economic crisis, India managed to find a way in. Reportedly, Foreign Secretary Harsh Vardhan Shringla in October, during his visit to the island nation made it a point to tour the tank farms, foreshadowing the just-concluded deal.

Read More: In a huge blow to China, India snags massive oil tank farm deal with Sri Lanka

Sri Lankan ministers openly criticizing China and Xi Jinping
The entire government machinery of Sri Lanka is quietly pivoting towards India in recent times. It was evident when Sri Lankan lawyer and Member of Parliament Wijeyadasa Rajapakshe wrote a scathing 6-page letter to Xi Jinping accusing him of damage to the Sri Lankan economy.

In the 45-point letter, Rajapakshe did not hold back and called out China’s One Belt-One Road initiative. He remarked in the letter, “The longstanding relations of ours has turned into a different course since your country launched the “One Belt-One Road” policy on the pretext of strengthening the foreign policy and economic strategy of China.”

Stating that China only used the island nation, Rajapakshe slammed Jinping by remarking, “It is manifestly visible that your friendship with us is no more genuine and candid, instead you use our relations to achieve your ambition of becoming the world power at the stake of lives of our innocent people. Further, you are dismantling the peace in our region as well as in the world by making our nation the first victim of your power struggle with other nations of powers that be.”

Read More: ‘You made us bankrupt,’ Sri Lanka sends a warning to Xi Jinping as India bags a massive deal

India bailing Sri Lanka out
There is no beating around the bush that the economic crisis has deepened in Sri Lanka and solely due to China. The country owes more than $6 billion to Beijing.

However, to help its neighbour wade the stormy waters, New Delhi, in addition to the $900 million line of credit, is also looking to inject $1.5 billion into the Sri Lankan economy. New Delhi is also facilitating Indian investments in different sectors in Sri Lanka to contribute to the growth and expand employment.

Meanwhile, China is seething through its teeth, observing the recent developments as Sri Lanka doubles down its engagement with India.
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Update on fuel crisis ...
Sri Lanka runs out of cash to buy fuel as foreign-exchange crisis deepens
Sri Lankan government on Monday admitted that it has run out of cash to buy fuel as pumps in most filling stations across the country have run dry, exacerbating the deepening foreign-exchange crisis that has crippled the island nation's economy.

So dire is Sri Lanka's current economic situation that it does not even have adequate US dollars to pay for two shipments of fuel.

Two shipments of fuel have arrived today, but we are unable to pay for it, Sri Lanka's energy minister Udaya Gammanpila said on Monday.
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I think SL and India should merge at this point and SL becomes another state of India. We build the bridge to SL and build SL into a tourist paradise.
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Sri Lanka Imposes Power Cuts as Cash Crisis Deepens
COLOMBO — Authorities in Sri Lanka are imposing rolling power cuts across the island nation as its deepening financial crisis leads to shortages of fuel and handicaps its power grid.

Sri Lanka's Public Utilities Commission said it will shut off the country's grid for 4.5 hours on Wednesday after two hours of power cut on Tuesday and Monday. Electricity will be switched off on a rotating basis between regions between 8:30 a.m. and 10:30 p.m., according to officials.

The regulatory body said the state-owned Ceylon Electricity Board had requested permission for the cuts as fuel shortages had caused the loss of about 700 megawatts of power to the national grid. Over the last few weeks, Sri Lankans had experienced several sporadic power failures.

The commission's chairman, Janaka Ratnayake, said the "shortage of fuel is causing this issue" while adding that "we are having a fuel crisis not an electricity crisis."
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V_Raman wrote:I think SL and India should merge at this point and SL becomes another state of India. We build the bridge to SL and build SL into a tourist paradise.
and needlessly create another entitled bunch, just like the freeloading beedis, and facilitate the establishment of the cancer of eelam on the Indian shores. It's a wilful case of आ बैल मुझे मार but on a national scale

how and why are SL tamils any of our concerns. If the SL tamil cause is just, then why not extend the same magnanimity to the khalistanis, naxals, and beedis too

the SL tamils have just appealed to stalin to impress upon the Modi govt that India should "help" them on what is essentially a separatist movement carefully and benignly camouflaged in diplomatically ambiguous terms like "self rule" and the more damning "to protect their unique identity on the island"

and indeed, lest we forget, what was the ltte doing in SL, if not this very thing.

This, BTW, has always been the Indian Govt's position on SL
Sri Lanka's interests are best served by ensuring equality, justice, peace and respect for the Tamil people within a united Sri Lanka.
what happens if, one day soon, these jokers suddenly and miraculously discover that their "unique identity" needs to be protected in India too. What next, a dravidianbagh like the southern version of shaheenbagh...

India is strenuously objecting to the pakis and the ummah doing the same thing in cashmere but your point that India should, nevertheless, go ahead and do this very thing to "help" the SL tamils is sophistry, not to mention the serious NATSEC issues that it will invariably spawn

essentially, it is the ltte that is openly asking to be allowed to open a branch office in their eelam territories

and now these jokers are once again cleverly playing the dravidian card trying to pressurize the Modi govt via stalin, as they once so successfully fooled stalin's father.

And, is it constitutionally acceptable to us that foreign entities are repeatedly and directly talking to state govts. After all, they are the Tamil National Alliance (TNA), and Global Tamil Forum (GTF), a Sri Lanka Tamil Diaspora organization.

the dravidians, which includes the SL tamils, including a lot of the global diaspora are looking to establish a greater eelam, should India help in its own halaling. The seeds were sown maybe two centuries or more ago by a white conman called caldwell

BTW, the current crises in pukestan, SL, nepal, beediland, and the maldives have all been caused by just one single evil entity -- the cheenis and India has been warning all these guys for years now..

and in one way or the another, all these guys have come running to India, katoris prominently extended, especially after bad mouthing India for years


TNA appeals for support from India, TN

Feb 21, 2022

Lauding the efforts of chief minister Stalin for his many initiatives for the welfare of Sri Lankan Tamils, the statement dated February 18, said Tamil people in Sri Lanka aspire for a degree of self-rule in the areas of their historic habitation (the NorthEast). “They believe this empowerment is fundamental for their equal citizenship in Sri Lanka and to protect their unique identity in the island – a position that always resonated with Tamil Nadu and Indian thinking and policy positions,” the statement said.

“Tamil Nadu has always been critical in setting Indian policies towards Sri Lanka, and it is in this context that a path setting, and pragmatic approach adopted by chief minister Stalin will give us enormous comfort,” the statement said.

The TNA and the GTF look forward to establishing direct engagements with the Tamil Nadu government and to further strengthen the engagement with the Indian government,” the statement added.
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https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/time-fo ... ar-2785099
Here you go sir
Right on que
India will help SL
Nothing withstanding SL has bitten the hand that fed (read India) always
But I am sure merging SL with India will of benefit
Rather we will be adding another sizeable minority (Buddhist) to existing Kichidi
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RSatchi: But I am sure merging SL with India will of benefit
That gives India total naval dominance over the Indian Ocean (and China's trade routes), which is something.
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Rsatchi wrote:https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/time-fo ... ar-2785099
Here you go sir
Right on que
India will help SL
Nothing withstanding SL has bitten the hand that fed (read India) always
But I am sure merging SL with India will of benefit
Rather we will be adding another sizeable minority (Buddhist) to existing Kichidi
one small minor flaw in the argument.

the majority sinhala are not too fond of India or its people.

no way that they are going to agree.

BTW, India "helped" the lankans during the eelam war too by helping them to get rid of the tamil tigers.
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srikandan wrote:
RSatchi: But I am sure merging SL with India will of benefit
That gives India total naval dominance over the Indian Ocean (and China's trade routes), which is something.
how are you going to rid the cheeni from SL....

what if they insist on staying put to "look after their properties" on the 99 year lease and will just not accept any financial compensation in lieu

will the sinhala have any say in the "merger" ow India will just walk in, kick out the cheeni and embrace the sinhala.

any referendum, if honestly done will ensure that India is kept out.

What if, for instance, singapore came along and said, we heard that you were in the mood to merge, we invite you to merge with us.

where do you think the sinhala will go and merge themselves, massively out voting the tamils in any referendum
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chetak: what if they insist on staying put to "look after their properties" on the 99 year lease and will just not accept any financial compensation in lieu
Of course, the SL buddhists hate India and Indians -- India under Sonia/INC both created and help solve the SL problem, so this is another INC legacy issue India has to deal with.

I was just saying that in the off chance that SL became a friendly state or at least militarily allied state, it has its advantages for India.
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srikandan wrote:
chetak: what if they insist on staying put to "look after their properties" on the 99 year lease and will just not accept any financial compensation in lieu
Of course, the SL buddhists hate India and Indians -- India under Sonia/INC both created and help solve the SL problem, so this is another INC legacy issue India has to deal with.

I was just saying that in the off chance that SL became a friendly state or at least militarily allied state, it has its advantages for India.
in these times, no country will merge with anyone.

they all have infinitely better options on their own.

no matter who says what, this entire pointless merger argument is a pipe dream onlee.
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chetak: in these times, no country will merge with anyone.
Of course, that is why I only mentioned "friendly state" or "militarily allied state", no merger as that is not in the interest of those running SL. India helping SL out now may still have SL swinging back to china.

That would be proving Chanakya's rule about treating neighbouring states as hostile states and states encircling the neighbour but without a common border as friendly states.

Today, Sri Lanka is hostile to India for all practical purposes unless their actions over time prove otherwise.
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If merger is not possible - then a model similar to Bhutan or Nepal is more appropriate - we take over their defense - their border is our border militarily.
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srikandan wrote:
chetak: in these times, no country will merge with anyone.
Of course, that is why I only mentioned "friendly state" or "militarily allied state", no merger as that is not in the interest of those running SL. India helping SL out now may still have SL swinging back to china.

That would be proving Chanakya's rule about treating neighbouring states as hostile states and states encircling the neighbour but without a common border as friendly states.

Today, Sri Lanka is hostile to India for all practical purposes unless their actions over time prove otherwise.
SL is not hostile to India but certainly, they are indifferent to India's concerns because the sinhala are painfully aware that dravidian politics will always take precedence over sinhala politics

Chanakya is routinely read but not clearly understood by the vast majority of casual readers.

to properly understand and appreciate him, a lot of related backgrounding is essential.

to correctly apply his thoughts to any situation is another matter altogether.

the SL problem was not of India's making but after it gained traction, we fumbled our way in and were merely bit players initially. Much later, on recognizing the dangers that were destined also to visit us, we played a very significant but mostly unacknowledged part in the end.

we stepped on this particular landmine due to egging on of the corrosive dravidians and foolishly misunderstood the much larger game that was being played and is still being played. Now we have the clarity that we so sorely lacked earlier.

The problem is not solved but has taken on a more robust dimension, a new game plan, better financing, and like an iceberg it is 98% invisible and it has also shifted the jang ka maidan. Many live experiments and calibration of tactics have already been done and you would have recognized the events if you had been paying attention to certain events that have already taken place

The principal dramatis personae are not publicly visible like before but their goal of eelam has not changed.

to give you an idea onlee. Other eelam maps are there with minor variations but broadly similar. Just check out the contours of this eelam

to understand better, just remember, "yellow, yellow, dirty fellow"

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chetak: Chanakya is routinely read but not clearly understood by the vast majority of casual readers.

to properly understand and appreciate him, a lot of related backgrounding is essential.

to correctly apply his thoughts to any situation is another matter altogether.
The points I mentioned are more of a guideline than an explicit rule -- the reasoning behind that is that all states go through ups and downs in their relations, including neighbouring ones, so any capability provided to a "friendly neighbouring state" during the good times can be used against us when relations are on a downturn down the line. The goal seems to be to minimize conflict in the long term, by ensuring a stable situation where the states on the other side of the neighbour will cooperate if a neighbouring state goes rogue.
we stepped on this particular landmine due to egging on of the corrosive dravidians and foolishly misunderstood the much larger game that was being played and is still being played. Now we have the clarity that we so sorely lacked earlier.
It is better to have SL as a unified state with one govt. than SL as two states with two govts., if Eelam became a reality, so India is in a better place today than it was 20 years ago. One less point of conflict for the Norways and USAs of the world to meddle with. China being in SL is not a bad thing, since China's ability to project power in the Indian Ocean is limited and will remain that way even if they have a massive navy.

Sri Lankan tamil citizens were a vibrant bunch back in 1978 -- they had fantastic tamil pop songs like "chinna mamiye" and "raasanayagam" until war broke out. I remember Kuttimani being killed in prison in 1981 and Tamilnadu govt. announcing a state holiday. JR Jayawardene was no friend of India, like Rajiv Gandhi.
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srikandan wrote:
chetak: Chanakya is routinely read but not clearly understood by the vast majority of casual readers.

to properly understand and appreciate him, a lot of related backgrounding is essential.

to correctly apply his thoughts to any situation is another matter altogether.
The points I mentioned are more of a guideline than an explicit rule -- the reasoning behind that is that all states go through ups and downs in their relations, including neighbouring ones, so any capability provided to a "friendly neighbouring state" during the good times can be used against us when relations are on a downturn down the line. The goal seems to be to minimize conflict in the long term, by ensuring a stable situation where the states on the other side of the neighbour will cooperate if a neighbouring state goes rogue.
we stepped on this particular landmine due to egging on of the corrosive dravidians and foolishly misunderstood the much larger game that was being played and is still being played. Now we have the clarity that we so sorely lacked earlier.
It is better to have SL as a unified state with one govt. than SL as two states with two govts., if Eelam became a reality, so India is in a better place today than it was 20 years ago. One less point of conflict for the Norways and USAs of the world to meddle with. China being in SL is not a bad thing, since China's ability to project power in the Indian Ocean is limited and will remain that way even if they have a massive navy.
look again carefully

eelam includes many parts of India too

don't get carried away by semantics like greater tamil nadu

we want tamil nadu to be what it should be, not any greater or any lesser

we need it to be integrally Indian in the territory, the culture, and the constitution
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chetak: eelam includes many parts of India too

don't get carried away by semantics like greater tamil nadu
I think we are talking past each other -- I am pointing out that a unified SL under one govt. is better than SL under two govts., one of which is guaranteed to be hostile to India, so India is in a better place now than it was 20 years ago. Eelam is not in India's interests -- all it takes is an illiterate moron like MK Stalin for this to go sideways for India.
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srikandan wrote:
chetak: eelam includes many parts of India too

don't get carried away by semantics like greater tamil nadu
I think we are talking past each other -- I am pointing out that a unified SL under one govt. is better than SL under two govts., one of which is guaranteed to be hostile to India, so India is in a better place now than it was 20 years ago. Eelam is not in India's interests -- all it takes is a moron like MK Stalin for this to go sideways for India.
both SLs will be hostile to India, if they have their way.

the dravidians are also pawns in the larger game.
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chetak: both SLs will be hostile to India, if they have their way.
very likely, and India will permanently lose its naval dominance in the region.
the dravidians are also pawns in the larger game.
The "dravidian" cretins are not wired to be anything other than pawns. They are just handmaidens for global powers bending whichever way gets them and their thieving dynasties more power and money.
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chetak: both SLs will be hostile to India, if they have their way.
very likely, and India will permanently lose its naval dominance in the region.
the dravidians are also pawns in the larger game.
The "dravidian" cretins are not wired to be anything other than pawns. They are just handmaidens for global powers bending whichever way gets them and their thieving dynasties more power and money.
did you know that the die-nasty you are referring to is telugu in origin, perriyar in inspiration, and abrahamic in religion
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chetak: did you know that the die-nasty you are referring to is telugu in origin and abrahamic in religion
I believe that is common knowledge since it has been stated on TV programs over the years. MKS's behavior right now and the fact that his father was legally married to three women at the same time without marriage annullment from any of them suggests what his religion was. Looks like MKS went the way of love rather than peace, unlike his douch*bag father MK who needed legal cover for polygamy.

These guys were/are actively courting 'eelam' sympathizers in TN politics/cinema like Seeman and his ilk even today.
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chetak: did you know that the die-nasty you are referring to is telugu in origin and abrahamic in religion
I believe that is common knowledge since it has been stated on TV programs over the years. MK Stalin's behavior right now and the fact that his father was legally married to three women at the same time without marriage annullment from any of them suggests what his religion was. Looks like MK Stalin went the way of love rather than peace, unlike his douch*bag father M. Karunanidhi who needed legal cover for polygamy,
it is the other desert cult onlee.

chinna veedu is a viable and acceptable practice in many tamil circles

don't take political names without camouflaging them semantically.

AI tracks all and one day you may be asked some inconvenient questions at some passport/visa interview that may not be palatable.
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chetak: AI tracks all and one day you may be asked some inconvenient questions at some passport/visa interview that may not be palatable.
Thanks for timely warning, saar, though I doubt I will ever go to TN again -- my kind are hated there. To your above point, ML programs need data to learn, so staying out of social media denies that data --- only way to stop being tracked by Social Media corporations, who are feeding intelligence agencies worldwide, not just in China. Never use your phone for social media apps -- always use a browser in "private" mode.
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V_Raman wrote:I think SL and India should merge at this point and SL becomes another state of India. We build the bridge to SL and build SL into a tourist paradise.
and needlessly create another entitled bunch, just like the freeloading beedis, and facilitate the establishment of the cancer of eelam on the Indian shores. It's a wilful case of आ बैल मुझे मार but on a national scale

how and why are SL tamils any of our concerns. If the SL tamil cause is just, then why not extend the same magnanimity to the khalistanis, naxals, and beedis too

the SL tamils have just appealed to stalin to impress upon the Modi govt that India should "help" them on what is essentially a separatist movement carefully and benignly camouflaged in diplomatically ambiguous terms like "self rule" and the more damning "to protect their unique identity on the island"

and indeed, lest we forget, what was the ltte doing in SL, if not this very thing.

This, BTW, has always been the Indian Govt's position on SL
Sri Lanka's interests are best served by ensuring equality, justice, peace and respect for the Tamil people within a united Sri Lanka.
what happens if, one day soon, these jokers suddenly and miraculously discover that their "unique identity" needs to be protected in India too. What next, a dravidianbagh like the southern version of shaheenbagh...

India is strenuously objecting to the pakis and the ummah doing the same thing in cashmere but your point that India should, nevertheless, go ahead and do this very thing to "help" the SL tamils is sophistry, not to mention the serious NATSEC issues that it will invariably spawn

essentially, it is the ltte that is openly asking to be allowed to open a branch office in their eelam territories

and now these jokers are once again cleverly playing the dravidian card trying to pressurize the Modi govt via stalin, as they once so successfully fooled stalin's father.

And, is it constitutionally acceptable to us that foreign entities are repeatedly and directly talking to state govts. After all, they are the Tamil National Alliance (TNA), and Global Tamil Forum (GTF), a Sri Lanka Tamil Diaspora organization.

the dravidians, which includes the SL tamils, including a lot of the global diaspora are looking to establish a greater eelam, should India help in its own halaling. The seeds were sown maybe two centuries or more ago by a white conman called caldwell

BTW, the current crises in pukestan, SL, nepal, beediland, and the maldives have all been caused by just one single evil entity -- the cheenis and India has been warning all these guys for years now..

and in one way or the another, all these guys have come running to India, katoris prominently extended, especially after bad mouthing India for years


TNA appeals for support from India, TN

Feb 21, 2022

Lauding the efforts of chief minister Stalin for his many initiatives for the welfare of Sri Lankan Tamils, the statement dated February 18, said Tamil people in Sri Lanka aspire for a degree of self-rule in the areas of their historic habitation (the NorthEast). “They believe this empowerment is fundamental for their equal citizenship in Sri Lanka and to protect their unique identity in the island – a position that always resonated with Tamil Nadu and Indian thinking and policy positions,” the statement said.

“Tamil Nadu has always been critical in setting Indian policies towards Sri Lanka, and it is in this context that a path setting, and pragmatic approach adopted by chief minister Stalin will give us enormous comfort,” the statement said.

The TNA and the GTF look forward to establishing direct engagements with the Tamil Nadu government and to further strengthen the engagement with the Indian government,” the statement added.
A response to this thread is long overdue. So here is my opinion worth a penny.

The idea of “Tamil Eelam” was born long before the LTTE came into being. For the sake of brevity, I will not repeat history and the freedom struggle of Eelam Tamils here, but anyone, who is interested could look this up: https://springmag.ca/the-tamil-eelam-li ... ef-reading.

In a nutshell, the LTTE never represented SL Tamils and the SL Tamils are the utmost victims of LTTE atrocities. That being said, the LTTE may have been defeated militarily, but it was none other than President Chandrika Bandaranaike Kumaratunga who boldly said that the LTTE was only the symptom and not the disease. The Tamils have a problem, and it would continue even if the LTTE was defeated she declared after surviving an assassination attempt on her. The present and future rulers should remember and address the Tamil problem if they want lasting peace in Sri Lanka.

The Sri Lankan Tamils are like the child of mother India, that we were once connected by an umbilical cord known as Adams Bridge. I envision rebuilding that bridge and coalescing North and East of Sri Lanka (Tamil Eelam) into a greater south India. I also believe that this must have happened a long time ago if LTTE had not attacked IPKF and assassinated Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi.

I believe that given the status quo and the current geopolitical and geostrategic implications of the Indian Ocean Region, where Sri Lanka is at the epicenter, provides an amazing opportunity to rethink Tamil Eelam possible, which many still consider highly impossible. Most importantly the current economic crisis further validates my arguments that Eelam Tamils will and therefore still can achieve Tamil Eelam by rethinking strategy.

Extensive research reveals a looming threat, the incumbent government in Sri Lanka. President Gotabaya Rajapaksa is a threat to national, regional, and global stability. By Gotabaya Rajapaksa being in power, constructive strategic implications exist. Rajapaksas's strategic miscalculation of the West and his "equidistant" foreign policy does undercut the core narratives of the Tamils. Successive Sinhalese governments will never accommodate Tamils politically, economically, culturally, or socially as Sri Lanka’s Buddhist majority still practice extreme ethnonationalist ideology. This is known as the “Jathika Chintanaya” or the “Mahavamsa Mindset” and its outcome is the “Sinhala-Budda Deepa” and “unitary state”. Therefore, for the next 2500 years, a Sinhala Buddhist will never allow a federal state or any autonomy for non-Sinhala-Buddhists in Sri Lanka.

Against this backdrop, Tamil Eelam represents the only viable solution to resolve India’s dilemma vis-à-vis Sri Lanka`s ethnic Tamil grievances. The Tamil Eelam cause is just, although the methods used to achieve the cause were abhorrent. That strategy of merging or coalescing Sri Lankans into Greater Tamil Nadu will immensely serve India's geopolitical interests not only in Sri Lanka but also will ensure the Indian Ocean Regional Hegemony favoring India. I thereby foresee an Indian-led initiative in establishing Greater Tamil Nadu/Eelam to counteract the aggressive regional rival China sooner rather than later.

India must act now. Some might call it opportunistic exploitation, so be it.
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Whatever be the origins, the corrosive dravidian ideology and separatist politics and the ever present supremacist mindset have now taken center stage and changes cannot be reversed.

the theories and the mindset were carefully built up almost over two odd centuries and it was set in motion by a crook called caldwell and things have been snowballing ever since

The socio cultural changes insidiously induced in the north east as well as similar changes being brought about in TN is centred on the predominant support and aid pushed by one sect of the abrahamic cult

Think territorial integrity and the idea of India rather than inviting, encouraging and supporting divisive forces because of misplaced and cancerous ideas of one tamil nation. we, as a people and a nation, have no obligation to do so but the congis did everything in their power to propagate the cause.

India treats and nurtures its tamils very well. India has no need to collect separatist garbage from outside her borders, be it either sikh or tamil and nurture these vipers in her bosom.

the same sect of the desert cult is aggressively active in andhra and punjab and yet we refuse to see the woods for the trees.

their immediate targets are either the coastal or the border states from where unhindered access is assured.

The example of east timor and the dynamics of its creation are there for us to see.

ltte was and still is being supported by powerful forces that have always been inimical to the idea of India, as indeed is khalistan.
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V_Raman wrote:I think SL and India should merge at this point and SL becomes another state of India. We build the bridge to SL and build SL into a tourist paradise.
Not state, but two Union Territories (one Hindoo-dominated and the other Boodist-dominated)...both with grassroots democracy (panchayat)...then behavior-based progress to legislative democracy. No special status or other privileges. This model is working very well in J&K and Ladakh. Remember we are talking about a small country with a total population less than that of Mumbai metro area.
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KL Dubey wrote:
V_Raman wrote:I think SL and India should merge at this point and SL becomes another state of India. We build the bridge to SL and build SL into a tourist paradise.
Not state, but two Union Territories (one Hindoo-dominated and the other Boodist-dominated)...both with grassroots democracy (panchayat)...then behavior-based progress to legislative democracy. No special status or other privileges. This model is working very well in J&K and Ladakh. Remember we are talking about a small country with a total population less than that of Mumbai metro area.

this is exactly how insurgencies are birthed and extra territorial powers are invited in

what if the lankans invite the cheenis to stop India from annexing SL and by a majority SL parliamentary vote, petition the cheenis to send their army to prevent India from taking over.

should India then fight a bloody war with the cheenis over SL tamils

The sinhala will never ever merge with India, come what may. To suggest otherwise is a pipe dream

The SL tamils will however jump at the chance, accept all terms and conditions and when the time is right, start to make noises for a "tamil" homeland supported by the dravidians in India exactly like the khalistanis These are the ltte varieties. I know because I have met a lot of them

the SL tamil diaspora are concentrated in the almost the exact same places as the khalistanis, like kaneda, britshitistan and amrika

the buddhist sinhala terrorists, janatha vimukthi peramuna (JVP) were in many ways far more vicious than the ltte.

The SL sinhala are the only people to decisively crush an internal armed rebellion in their country by using the force of arms themselves. That alone should tell us a lot
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chetak wrote: this is exactly how insurgencies are birthed and extra territorial powers are invited in
On the contrary, insurgencies and other outside interlopers (like China and even the "West" through Scandinavian countries) have come in because things were left hanging/incomplete.
what if the lankans invite the cheenis to stop India from annexing SL and by a majority SL parliamentary vote, petition the cheenis to send their army to prevent India from taking over.
The chinese can barely lug themselves over the Taiwan strait in a best-case scenario, how will they send their army to SL? And what will they do there, assuming somehow they wash up on the SL coast ? Make SL a province of China ?
The sinhala will never ever merge with India, come what may.
As of now, the sinhalas are reduced to beggars, IOW nothing more than boodist bhikshus. They are also already in a debt trap with China, so the only remaining thing they can do is to ask the Chinese to take over the economy. This will be (or at least, should be) a red line for India. Another disaster waiting to happen. Appeasing the Lankans with credit lines and fuel supplies can go only so far.
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chetak wrote:The SL sinhala are the only people to decisively crush an internal armed rebellion in their country by using the force of arms themselves. That alone should tell us a lot
I guess the USA civil war was a walk in the park then? It was over in 4 years...the lankans took 25 years to "crush" the LTTE, which did not have a real successor to Prabhakaran.
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KL Dubey wrote:
chetak wrote: this is exactly how insurgencies are birthed and extra territorial powers are invited in
On the contrary, insurgencies and other outside interlopers (like China and even the "West" through Scandinavian countries) have come in because things were left hanging/incomplete.
what if the lankans invite the cheenis to stop India from annexing SL and by a majority SL parliamentary vote, petition the cheenis to send their army to prevent India from taking over.
The chinese can barely lug themselves over the Taiwan strait in a best-case scenario, how will they send their army to SL? And what will they do there, assuming somehow they wash up on the SL coast ? Make SL a province of China ?
The sinhala will never ever merge with India, come what may.
As of now, the sinhalas are reduced to beggars, IOW nothing more than boodist bhikshus. They are also already in a debt trap with China, so the only remaining thing they can do is to ask the Chinese to take over the economy. This will be (or at least, should be) a red line for India. Another disaster waiting to happen. Appeasing the Lankans with credit lines and fuel supplies can go only so far.
anyone can say what they want

arguments have only addressed the symptoms and not the root cause, per se

there can be no justification to ask/propose that another sovereign country merges or we interfere in their internal affairs.

It's because they destroyed the ltte, they have landed in this mess.

SL has been under an undeclared sanctions regime ever since they refused to heed the advice of the breaking SL forces. This is the root cause of all their current financial problems

the backers of the ltte have deliberately reduced them to a sorry stage of penury

and that is why the sinhala did not see any other option but to grab hold of the extended cheeni hand and they woefully misread the risks involved.

every SL problem is now compounded because neither the breaking SL forces nor the sinhala anticipated nor understood the complications induced into the SL body politik by the entry of the cheeni into what was an already toxic mix
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KL Dubey wrote:
chetak wrote:The SL sinhala are the only people to decisively crush an internal armed rebellion in their country by using the force of arms themselves. That alone should tell us a lot
I guess the USA civil war was a walk in the park then? It was over in 4 years...the lankans took 25 years to "crush" the LTTE, which did not have a real successor to Prabhakaran.
pliss to keep the relevance onlee

25 years because they fought with the gloves on

once the gloves were off, they wrapped up the ltte PDQ

all potential successors were neutralized by the big p himself

I am very sure that being the pawn/puppet that he was, he would have been fixing to start a dynasty of his own, give or take a few teevee channels and cable networks, which is the standard dravidian tamil practice
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