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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Gus » 27 May 2019 17:34

I'll give you one example of how powerful the memes gang is.

When JJ died and Sasi was made leader and she put in claim to be CM, the memes were all against Sasi, reminding us of her atrocities , her corruption , abuse of power, mafia family, JJ killer etc.

Governor avoided coronating her by not being in state. He was governor for Maha also, so he escaped to there. :lol:

When it became clear that modi shah will not let Sasi become CM, until the review petition in the SC is given judgement. If judgment upheld, Sasi has to go to jail and cannot be CM.

At that point, memes fellows started attacking modi as controlling Governor. And when Sasi did go to jail and TN was saved from her, memes started pushing the "modi controlling Admk" theme which continues to this day.

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Postby Gus » 27 May 2019 17:39

Nobody beleived the nyay nonsense. TN Results would be unchanged if that was never announced.

But some sections did believe in loan waivers.

Above all is the deep running visceral hatred and mockery of modi.

Gave a new hundred rupee note at barber, he mentioned something about the new color and one fellow said "soon he will release notes in all colors of his dress" ..he picked up that comment from a meme which posted all his dresses with the note colors so far.

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Postby vsunder » 27 May 2019 17:56

I have a feeling that an IED is being planted for Modi by the Kerala Government. This regards a proposal for semi High speed rail with just 10 stations between Trivandrum and Kasurgod. The Government needs 1200 ha of land. :rotfl: In the railway thread I pointed out ages ago that the government of KL has been unable to give the Railways 10ha of land needed to double the block section Chingavanam-Kottayam (8km) and thus fully complete doubling between Trivandrum and Ernakulam. This bottleneck and tamasha is going on for some time now. Now GoKL wants a separate alignment for semi HSR tracks between Trivandrum and Shoranur and then the semi HSR will run adjacent to the current tracks between Tirur and Kasurgode. They have gone ahead and asked the French company SYSTRA to prepare a DPR which is due in October this year with very aggressive completion and unattainable completion deadlines. I doubt GoI will sanction this project. Then GoKL will say "stepmotherly treatment" ( are all stepmothers bad by the way??) and of course Modi sud rejine. 1200 ha land acquisition is a nighmare, when GoKL wants NHAI not to have 60m wide roads in KL and restrict highways to 45m width due to land problems and these rascals are thinking of semi HSR on dedicated tracks when that is not the case anywhere in India and not planned anywhere else in India.

Dated the 14th of May 2019:

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 130879.ece

And this is from an older time 2 years ago and now the Commies are saying something else. Only an IED

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 611479.ece
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Postby Yagnasri » 27 May 2019 17:57

Hate Modi is the main mantra of TN and AP under CBN. In AP also entire telugu MSM went to town on this for years. CBN organised it so that all the negative things can be attributed to NM and positively things to CBN. We know the result of that.

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Postby siva509 » 27 May 2019 17:59

Media has strong roots in southern states since the independence struggle right from the street theatres. It just morphs along with technology. The memes you are referring to were generated with the events happening day to day. The events occurred since JJ was in hospital, Jallikattu, the introduction of hydrocarbon scheme without resolving the Cauvery issue etc kept the stream.
But the key is Social Mobility. Unless that's delivered the ruling parties will be deciphered.

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Postby kit » 27 May 2019 18:04

vsunder wrote:I have a feeling that an IED is being planted for Modi by the Kerala Government. This regards a proposal for semi High speed rail with just 10 stations between Trivandrum and Kasurgod. The Government needs 1200 ha of land. :rotfl: In the railway thread I pointed out ages ago that the government of KL has been unable to give the Railways 10ha of land needed to double the block section Chingavanam-Kottayam (8km) and thus fully complete doubling between Trivandrum and Ernakulam. This bottleneck and tamasha is going on for some time now. Now GoKL wants a separate alignment for semi HSR tracks between Trivandrum and Shoranur and then the semi HSR will run adjacent to the current tracks between Tirur and Kasurgode. They have gone ahead and asked the French company SYSTRA to prepare a DPR which is due in October this year with very aggressive completion and unattainable completion deadlines. I doubt GoI will sanction this project. Then GoKL will say "stepmotherly treatment" ( are all stepmothers bad by the way??) and of course Modi sud rejine. 1200 ha land acquisition is a nighmare, when GoKL wants NHAI not to have 60m wide roads in KL and restrict highways to 45m width due to land problems and these rascals are thinking of semi HSR on dedicated tracks when that is not the case anywhere in India and not planned anywhere else in India.

Dated the 14th of May 2019:

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 130879.ece


dreaming up schemes how to line their pockets, what better than "construction " which will go on and on !!

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Postby jaysimha » 27 May 2019 19:23

interesting to recall who was the head of the NDA govt's digital payment schemes
http://pib.nic.in/newsite/mberel.aspx?relid=154691

the same person name we hear about irregularities today...

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Postby arvin » 27 May 2019 20:14

vsunder wrote:Now GoKL wants a separate alignment for semi HSR tracks between Trivandrum and Shoranur and then the semi HSR will run adjacent to the current tracks between Tirur and Kasurgode.


Other potential IEd, center can lay :
1.) Temple town of guruvayur was linked to trichur 25 years back in 1994. That was last new rail line in kerala. The north spur from guruvayur to kuttipuram (51 km) is hanging fire since then, i think due to kommie supported bus lobby and line passes thru IUML hot beds. Both are stalling land acquisition. Center should aggresively push for this line. Any protests against the line will polarize opinion owing to guruvayur connection.

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Postby p_vignesh » 27 May 2019 21:23

Shree TV has been posting Modi's speeches translated in Tamil. We need to support such youtube channels to bridge the language gap. Here is a very good translation of Modi's speech targetting NGO's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPkhbocU_r8

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Postby ramana » 27 May 2019 22:16

Gus wrote:Nobody beleived the nyay nonsense. TN Results would be unchanged if that was never announced.

But some sections did believe in loan waivers.

Above all is the deep running visceral hatred and mockery of modi.

Gave a new hundred rupee note at barber, he mentioned something about the new color and one fellow said "soon he will release notes in all colors of his dress" ..he picked up that comment from a meme which posted all his dresses with the note colors so far.


Gus, Thanks for posting this last part. So a deep mental wall has been built towards Modi's actions.

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Postby ramana » 27 May 2019 22:19

Yagnasri wrote:Hate Modi is the main mantra of TN and AP under CBN. In AP also entire telugu MSM went to town on this for years. CBN organised it so that all the negative things can be attributed to NM and positively things to CBN. We know the result of that.



Eenadu Ramoji Rao is behind this media campaign. There was a recent picture of Ramoji Rao and CBN before counting.

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Postby Yagnasri » 27 May 2019 23:06

Of course. That is why he is called as Rajaguru. He helped CBN to backstab NTR earlier.

But this time apart from Ramoji Rao, it is said one more media person ( RK of Andra Jyothi?) is said to be main advisor to CBN and misled him. Tv5 is another entity is totally Pro CBN.

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Postby Rishi_Tri » 27 May 2019 23:10

Gus wrote:
Above all is the deep running visceral hatred and mockery of modi.



There shall always be visceral hatred for Modi, and BJP / RSS among certain sections of society irrespective of religion / caste etc. But is it the dominant refrain? If yes, any conjectures why so.

I have always held the view and evidenced by history too, it is a cause or correcting a deep wrong that galvanizes people. It was Ram Mandir, Mathura, Varanasi message delivered over generations, and Ram Mandir movement led by LK Advani that brought about BJP / RSS to the place that is being seen today with North India as initial spring board. What is that cause for TN? What is it that people shall sacrifice their lives for? - Water! Hinduness!

My theory for TN is: Get the family matriarch / patriarch to see your point! Given the fact that family structures are so strong, view of family elder shall sway that of many generations! Correct me if I am wrong. So start with family heads!

What gives me heart is the vote swings are massive in TN. As goes the saying - Kabhi Raja to Kabhi Rank - one day king, next day pauper!

And yes, certain people do make that contribution that changes things for ever. Latest evidence is - Hemant Biswa Sarma. He is known to have been ignominiously offered biscuits by Priyanka Gandhi from the same plate as used to feed a dog and then denied leadership of Congress in Assam. Rest is History. BJP / RSS had been working for 25 years in Assam, Hemant delivered the last blow. Then Tripura fell. Now Bengal and strong showing in Orissa.

Hence I say, Govindacharya loss was body blow for BJP / RSS because he also had strong Swadeshi Jagran Mach / socialist leanings that leant him immediate grass roots support. Cannot recreate history but who is the new Govindacharya! Or Hemant Biswa Sarma of TN!

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Postby ssundar » 28 May 2019 01:57

There is a tweet doing the rounds. A woman (most likely EJ) visiting the town of Velankanni was asked to show her ID by the hotel she was staying in. Remember Velankanni is a famous church and would be at heightened security alert after the events in SL. Her reaction: opened her phone camera, recorded a video claiming harassment by Modi and tweeted it. She even used a disrespectful phrase "Yaendaa Modi" in the video. God knows if this ricebag has ever been to a hotel anywhere else in the world.

This is TN today. If you see something new and you don't like it, Modi is to blame.

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Postby ssundar » 28 May 2019 02:04



This interview of Jagan to Times Now is very interesting. So many personal stories.

Most notable is the number of time he mentions "God". IF God forbid a BJP/RSS personality mentions God even once or twice in an interview like this, the librandu mafia would have fallen over themselves to proclaim that secularism was dead.

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Postby sudarshan » 28 May 2019 06:18

ssundar wrote:There is a tweet doing the rounds. A woman (most likely EJ) visiting the town of Velankanni was asked to show her ID by the hotel she was staying in. Remember Velankanni is a famous church and would be at heightened security alert after the events in SL. Her reaction: opened her phone camera, recorded a video claiming harassment by Modi and tweeted it. She even used a disrespectful phrase "Yaendaa Modi" in the video. God knows if this ricebag has ever been to a hotel anywhere else in the world.

This is TN today. If you see something new and you don't like it, Modi is to blame.


This might be a good thing. The more ridiculous this gets, the harder the pendulum is likely to swing the other way. I would even encourage RW folks to make even more ridiculous allegations and tweets against Modi, make it obvious that this kind of thing is going on. It could be done in the vein of "I suppose this is also Modi's fault now!?!" The sarcasm will diminish the returns from this BIF strategy, and eventually turn it negative.

This is what Trump supporters (or formerly, Obama supporters) do in the comments sections of news articles. The news article might be about the moon losing kinetic energy (as an example) and spiraling away from the earth, which means that in X (m/b)illion years, we will no longer have full solar eclipses. You will see comments there like "This is all Trump's fault!! Right, liberals?" or "Waiting for someone to blame Trump for this in 3, 2, 1...". You get the picture.

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Postby UlanBatori » 28 May 2019 06:42

arvin wrote:
vsunder wrote:Now GoKL wants a separate alignment for semi HSR tracks between Trivandrum and Shoranur and then the semi HSR will run adjacent to the current tracks between Tirur and Kasurgode.

Other potential IEd, center can lay :
1.) Temple town of guruvayur was linked to trichur 25 years back in 1994. That was last new rail line in kerala. The north spur from guruvayur to kuttipuram (51 km) is hanging fire since then, i think due to kommie supported bus lobby and line passes thru IUML hot beds. Both are stalling land acquisition. Center should aggresively push for this line. Any protests against the line will polarize opinion owing to guruvayur connection.


Interestingly, it takes 1 hr from TCR to PKD by express train (the Passenger takes 3). But then it takes 1 hr from PKD to CBE (Coimbatore) though that is like 25 mi. away or so. This is because of concerns about elephants crossing track, plus a couple of needless very tight corners in the track. If they were to straighten these out, (I don't know how to educate elephants on track-crossing; maybe some sort of line vibrations to warn them might be all that is needed) the CBE-TCR section would cut time by about 45 minutes, and help commuters a lot.

Likewise, TCR-EKM is ridiculously slow: I wonder what the hangup is, it's firm railbed, double electrified tracks. TCR-EKM should be like 40 minutes flat with 3 stops. Then EKM-Kottayam likewise can be sped up a lot. TCR-Guruvayoor probably takes a long time too, I wouldn't know.

Seems like the trains actually became SLOWER since the days of the steam choo-choos, except for a coupe of express trains. I can't believe that they can't run a set of fast chair-car trains up and down KL, with no new "HSR" etc. I thought the METRO would be a big breakthrough, but it is mostly a raised, hugely expensive city center-type system, not one integrated with the mainline rail as in Chennai.
Overall, in KL, the rail system is hugely sub-optimal due to what must be poor planning and management. Otherwise a Chair Car trip beats the heck out of road travel!

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Postby vsunder » 28 May 2019 06:51

UlanBatori wrote:
Interestingly, it takes 1 hr from TCR to PKD by express train (the Passenger takes 3). But then it takes 1 hr from PKD to CBE (Coimbatore) though that is like 25 mi. away or so. This is because of concerns about elephants crossing track, plus a couple of needless very tight corners in the track. If they were to straighten these out, (I don't know how to educate elephants on track-crossing; maybe some sort of line vibrations to warn them might be all that is needed) the CBE-TCR section would cut time by about 45 minutes, and help commuters a lot.


Oh they know about vibrations already, bee sounds do it. See here:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-indi ... SKBN1F829D

See in that ungodly country onlee. Also has worked in Kenya. But frankly I know by experiment elephants stay away when the engine blares this out loudly :rotfl:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXDT4GtKK88

Also the thuggery and buggery must have come down after GST at Walayar at the famous check post where marauding agents of GoKL robbed truck drivers between Pallakad and Coimbatore. In my young days circa 1961, single line track, I would be wide awake those parts going on West Coast Express early morning to get a glimpse of elephants near Walayar.

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Postby OmkarC » 28 May 2019 07:05

All : Its clear that both Andhra & TN have this massive anti-Modi (rather hatred of Modi) undercurrent.. In Andhra, it was a manufactured sentiment of BJP betraying Andhra people over special status, rather than a north-south issue. BJP's vote share is 0.9% in the LS polls, half of that of NOTA !

Special status is a tricky issue, as once AP demands, Orissa, Bihar, etc will as well, and they dont care about the pre-conditions of state division and other logical points Andhra MPs may raise. I want to discuss with you folks, maybe it will be a good decision by Modi to just go ahead and get UCC, Art 370/35A with YSRCP support and joint session of parliament and grant special status to Andhra, right now, before the Bihar assembly polls ?

After all, what will Nitish do, break away from the winning combination over this issue which probably is not as intense in Bihar as it is in Andhra, and which could potentially bury a wily old snake like CBN permanently ?

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Postby UlanBatori » 28 May 2019 07:06

Yess!!!! My evil 6th coujin zipped by on the NH the other din, through the Walayar check pt, and there is absolutely no backup there any more (some truckers do choose that place to get some sleep, they are used to it). So yes, GST has made a HUGE difference there.

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Postby asbchakri » 28 May 2019 07:24

OmkarC wrote:All : Its clear that both Andhra & TN have this massive anti-Modi (rather hatred of Modi) undercurrent.. In Andhra, it was a manufactured sentiment of BJP betraying Andhra people over special status, rather than a north-south issue. BJP's vote share is 0.9% in the LS polls, half of that of NOTA !

Special status is a tricky issue, as once AP demands, Orissa, Bihar, etc will as well, and they dont care about the pre-conditions of state division and other logical points Andhra MPs may raise. I want to discuss with you folks, maybe it will be a good decision by Modi to just go ahead and get UCC, Art 370/35A with YSRCP support and joint session of parliament and grant special status to Andhra, right now, before the Bihar assembly polls ?

After all, what will Nitish do, break away from the winning combination over this issue which probably is not as intense in Bihar as it is in Andhra, and which could potentially bury a wily old snake like CBN permanently ?

This may potentially strengthen YSRCP which is nothing but a breakaway group of Congress and may join he parent group back when Jagan feels confident of his position. How will this help BJP to become strong in AP. I'm not against special status to AP or anything, but would prefer financial assistance to it, just have to make sure it does not end up in someones personal account.

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Postby Pathik » 28 May 2019 07:43

Somehow I dont blame the Media or propaganda building activities in TN alone for people turning completely anti-BJP. If that was the case there wouldn't have been a clean sweep in many other states. TN people need to own this especially the Hindus and anybody who wants to give their kids a decent country to live in. What could explain an entire state voting against a party and prime ministerial candidate and not giving a rat's a$$ to who becomes the PM even if that means Rahul Gandhi donning the throne. Sentiments and Ifs and buts aside, the results speak a shocking story, the impact is only dulled as the other side of the fence managed get a 303 majority or TN,AP and KL would have been the topic of discussion for many generations to come.

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Postby sum » 28 May 2019 07:50

^^ Agree on this.

Every state has a hostile media in general to BJP/evil Hindutva in general but the main thing is the receptive audience to such stuff.
In Karnataka/Blore, folks are bombarded with such stuff( All MSM is hostile to BJP here too) but they just brush it off and actually try to find out what the true picture is instead of blind ideological hate

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Postby hanumadu » 28 May 2019 07:58

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Revanth Reddy was in ABVP and quite close to G. Kishan Reddy. He joined TDP when BJP axed itself to make an alliance with TDP in 1999. Seeing no future for TDP in TS, he went to congress instead of coming back to BJP.

I had long suspected BJP cross voted in TS assembly polls to keep congress out. SM Krishna is DKS' political guru it seems. Now that SMK is in BJP, he might bring DKS in?

According to this guy, Harish Rao, nephew of KCR is another potential candidate. Family fued? A case of shiv sena perhaps?

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Postby vsunder » 28 May 2019 08:01

In 1996 M. J. Akbar wrote a book on various "separatist" movements, DMK, Akali and others. Some of you have evinced interest in the origins of the DMK and other Tamil movements, you probably can read this slim book. I have a copy.

https://www.amazon.com/India-Siege-With ... ay&sr=8-13


And also this:

https://www.amazon.com/Dravidian-Years- ... way&sr=8-1

This is in part some of the people ^^^ have been talking about. I am sure the author is very partisan.

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Postby SriKumar » 28 May 2019 08:20

Pathik wrote:Somehow I dont blame the Media or propaganda building activities in TN alone for people turning completely anti-BJP. If that was the case there wouldn't have been a clean sweep in many other states. TN people need to own this especially the Hindus and anybody who wants to give their kids a decent country to live in. What could explain an entire state voting against a party and prime ministerial candidate and not giving a rat's a$$ to who becomes the PM even if that means Rahul Gandhi donning the throne. Sentiments and Ifs and buts aside, the results speak a shocking story, the impact is only dulled as the other side of the fence managed get a 303 majority or TN,AP and KL would have been the topic of discussion for many generations to come.
Good points and agree with this (with one caveat- the reasons for not voting BJP is different in each state- they cannot be lumped together). About TN, there is something else at work here. In AP's case, the 'special status' controversy is something tangible (it was mentioned on the floor of the Parliament by the previous govt at the time of voting for the partition), however, in the case of TN, there does not seem to be anything tangible or real, other than a vague, but strong feeling of a 'Northie party trying to dominate south'. (I heard this first hand 6 months ago and posted on BGF, it was brushed aside; the post should still be there). Somehow this narrative found a relatively easy audience in TN in this election and is puzzling- especially for the case of Hindu demographic. North vs South thing should have softened up a bit especially in the recent years.
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Postby asbchakri » 28 May 2019 08:20

What will he achieve by separating from the country. Doesn't he remember what we were before when we were all some small kingdoms fighting with each other. We were invaded by everyone who think they could. See what we have achieved as one nation in the last 70+ years post independence.

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Postby SriKumar » 28 May 2019 08:26

^^^I think it is political posturing and setting up a negotiation position, and is laughable. He (and all other CMs of southern states) know that the money streams to loot from and line their pockets will be significantly smaller if they have only 3 other states in their 'country'. Same for AP (will Comrade Pinarayi and Man-of-Steel Stalin pay for completing Polavaram?), TG, KL (who will fund Pinaryai's HSR rail plan? Stalin and Jagan? :lol: ). They'll only have their own state's tax payers to loot from in their new dispensation :lol:

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Postby sanjayc » 28 May 2019 08:44

Pathik wrote:Somehow I dont blame the Media or propaganda building activities in TN alone for people turning completely anti-BJP. If that was the case there wouldn't have been a clean sweep in many other states. TN people need to own this especially the Hindus and anybody who wants to give their kids a decent country to live in. What could explain an entire state voting against a party and prime ministerial candidate and not giving a rat's a$$ to who becomes the PM even if that means Rahul Gandhi donning the throne. Sentiments and Ifs and buts aside, the results speak a shocking story, the impact is only dulled as the other side of the fence managed get a 303 majority or TN,AP and KL would have been the topic of discussion for many generations to come.


With sustained brainwashing, it is possible to create fear psychosis in an entire population which has not much seen the world outside its borders and has a frog-in-the-well attitude - this is the case of TN. It is a case of mass Schizophrenia, with TN Hindus turning psychotic in their obsession with language and identity. They genuinely believe that the rest of India is "out to get them" and destroy their "precious" language. This was colonial social engineering that was sustained by native Tamil separatist politicians and church after Independence. I have a few Tamil friends, and they all think that rest of Indians have no work except plot all the time for destruction of Tamil culture. They don't believe it when I tell them that rest of the country doesn't give a rat's ass about you or your culture or language, and they are too busy minding their own business and jobs. These people have become juvenile and delusional, much like Kashmiri Muslims (who are another victims of mass schizophrenia). It is a sign of an immature society - just notice the over-emotionalism and high suicide rate, and people prostrating on the floor before politicians. In which other part of the world do people commit suicide when a movie actor or politician dies? Such unthinking, emotionally unstable people always high on adrenaline are easily instigated - be it against north Indians or sterlite copper plant. They are the dream of any crooked manipulator - either politician or church or NGO.

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Postby Rishi_Tri » 28 May 2019 08:57

SriKumar wrote:^^^I think it is political posturing and setting up a negotiation position, and is laughable. He (and all other CMs of southern states) know that the money streams to loot from and line their pockets will be significantly smaller if they have only 3 other states in their 'country'. Same for AP (will Comrade Pinarayi and Man-of-Steel Stalin pay for completing Polavaram?), TG, KL (who will fund Pinaryai's HSR rail plan? Stalin and Jagan? :lol: ). They'll only have their own state's tax payers to loot from in their new dispensation :lol:


Yes it is pure political posturing with the Assembly elections in year and half, and to get some pound of flesh from central govt.

https://zeenews.india.com/tamil-nadu/wi ... 90888.html

Karnataka BJP performance has made this DOA. But all the same should not underestimate pure nuisance value it can have with some foreign funded, motivated elements. In fact if you go to certain areas in Bengaluru you shall find big graffitti of Tamil Ealam. Very near cantonment area close to MG Road.

Think TN has to go through what Bihar went through. Total anarchy from 1990 to 2005. Once Nitish / BJP came in 2005 state hasn't looked back. In late 80s you could zip through Bihar roads at 100 kmph, it went down to crawling through potholed highways at 20kmph and has come back again to 120-150 kmph. Bihar does not need any special status. Hopefully people of TN shall be more sanguine and see through all this and vote judiciously.

At least I see Andhra vote as significant disenchantment with Mr Naidu. Casual conversations brought this out as early as 2016-17. That's why all that hullabaloo about Special Status as Mr Naidu knew he wasn't coming back and that why is Mr Modi didn't agree. BJP went alone but of all the states its organization is weakest in Andhra. Weaker than TN.

In my view, Modi should not accord special status. Shall make hero out of Jagan without much political gain for BJP. Knowing Jagan, he shall be corrupt and fall under his own weight as did Mr Naidu.
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Postby arshyam » 28 May 2019 08:59

sanjayc wrote:With sustained brainwashing, it is possible to create fear psychosis in an entire population which has not much seen the world outside its borders and has a frog-in-the-well attitude - this is the case of TN. It is a case of mass Schizophrenia, with TN Hindus turning psychotic in their obsession with language and identity. They genuinely believe that the rest of India is "out to get them" and destroy their "precious" language. This was colonial social engineering that was sustained by native Tamil separatist politicians and church after Independence. I have a few Tamil friends, and they all think that rest of Indians have no work except plot all the time for destruction of Tamil culture. They don't believe it when I tell them that rest of the country doesn't give a rat's ass about you or your culture or language, and they are too busy minding their own business and jobs. These people have become juvenile and delusional, much like Kashmiri Muslims (who are another victims of mass schizophrenia). It is a sign of an immature society - just notice the over-emotionalism and high suicide rate, and people prostrating on the floor before politicians. In which other part of the world do people commit suicide when a movie actor or politician dies? Such unthinking, emotionally unstable people always high on adrenaline are easily instigated - be it against north Indians or sterlite copper plant. They are the dream of any crooked manipulator - either politician or church or NGO.

^^ Some bile masquerading as "political analysis" here. That's some serious froth in the mouth, you might want to wipe it off :lol:

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Postby arshyam » 28 May 2019 09:01

Rishi_Tri wrote:
SriKumar wrote:^^^I think it is political posturing and setting up a negotiation position, and is laughable. He (and all other CMs of southern states) know that the money streams to loot from and line their pockets will be significantly smaller if they have only 3 other states in their 'country'. Same for AP (will Comrade Pinarayi and Man-of-Steel Stalin pay for completing Polavaram?), TG, KL (who will fund Pinaryai's HSR rail plan? Stalin and Jagan? :lol: ). They'll only have their own state's tax payers to loot from in their new dispensation :lol:


Yes it is pure political posturing with the Assembly elections in year and half, and to get some pound of flesh from central govt.

https://zeenews.india.com/tamil-nadu/wi ... 90888.html


Btw, that check the date on that article.

Updated: Mar 17, 2018, 21:29 PM IST

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Postby KL Dubey » 28 May 2019 09:22

hanumadu wrote:
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Revanth Reddy wants to Join BJP clearly He Spoke to Amit Shah Aides & Met Many Telangana BJP leadership to Join BJP. But High command has told he can Join without any Pre Condition.
I Think Jagan-DK Shivakumar-Revanth Reddy Combination will over throw Kcr in Telangana



It seems the cannibalization of INC in Telangana has already started. This will certainly position BJP to become the only real challenger to TRS.

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Postby Yagnasri » 28 May 2019 09:35

There is no reason to give special status to AP as it does not give any benefit to BJP. No one is going to thank NM if he gives it. They will make Jagan a hero. Almost 3/4 years bank AP assembly even passed a resolution thanking NM for the financial benefits given and then everyone started abusing NM and BJP once they want to have some scapegoat for their failures.

There are some projects and institutions promised to AP and most of them are already started but it is taking time to build infra etc. That should be done asap. But at no point of time the works and contracts shall be given to AP Gov which continue to loot public money whoever is the CM. Other projects etc as and when required or requested by the AP Gov can be given based on merits. At no point GoI shall allow AP politicos to blackmail it or threaten it. This abusive behavior towards BJP and NM has gone too far and going on for no reason for too long.

The aim of the BJP shall be make BJP powerful in AP. Now that the Venkayya is out of picture and no longer can help TDP at the cost of BJP there is no reason for BJP to go slow in AP. It is very critical as the EJs are growing day and day and they are intelligently ( just like the lie that Jagan converted) playing the game on long term basis. Idiotic Telugus are unable to see it.

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Postby uskumar » 28 May 2019 10:06

arshyam wrote:^^ Some bile masquerading as "political analysis" here. That's some serious froth in the mouth, you might want to wipe it off :lol:

Sir, I don't see anything wrong with the analysis. Fact is most tn people think rest of India is out to get them.. most people think they are somehow culturally and mentally superior to north Indians and believe that is reason for Superior economy. This racism is so in grained that you just need a small incident to see mob justice. Today term "vandarey" is mainstream and has political party come against this. No. What has an average TN Hindu done in face of blatant racism and seperatism. They have sided with it. I an average nationalistic Hindu brought up all my life in Chennai am outnumbered in all forums by people who believe rest of India is bigger threat to their way of life than EJs. I feel like a stranger in my own city. That is the sort of polarisation we are talking about against bjp and RSS. How are we going to solve it if we keep being dishonest about the real problem.

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Postby Aditya_V » 28 May 2019 11:30

The problem will start solving as other states start developing more rapidly. Case in example, if 4-5 copper plants start functioning in India knocking down the utility of Sterlite and other Consumer goods factories start getting setup elsewhere, this racism will slowly die down. The Victim hood of DMk will work for 5 years before people smell the coffee.

The more ridiculous things get the better it will be. Today when people from UP, Bihar Nepal and WB come to work in DMk owned establishments, the same DMK uses it to attack BJP. Its a cycle, no sane knowledge or rational thought can cure this.

TN Hindus are through the same state of mind Bengali Hindus had 5-10 years back or what was in Tripura. One the propaganda gets overdone and minorities expose themselves things will unravel.

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Postby Lilo » 28 May 2019 12:38

Video in telugu
The EJ Andhra CM, YS Jagan's victory attributed to "our" Christian God Yehova by his mother(YS Vijayamma) in a telugu EJ Sunday mass.
She says Christian god Yehova is the greatest God , no other god(alluding to dutty Hindu Gods) comes close to him she says starting from 1:20 timestamp


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdUe12Z4VG4


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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Dumal » 28 May 2019 13:18



Please read the comments to that article to see the real mood of the people. Just because ADMK was weakened by TTVD and numerous Left-libs starting from KH and Prakashraj all the way down to Seeman ate away with small but significant vote-shares does not mean that the entire population is hoodwinked.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby arshyam » 28 May 2019 14:53

uskumar wrote:
arshyam wrote:^^ Some bile masquerading as "political analysis" here. That's some serious froth in the mouth, you might want to wipe it off :lol:

Sir, I don't see anything wrong with the analysis. Fact is most tn people think rest of India is out to get them.. most people think they are somehow culturally and mentally superior to north Indians and believe that is reason for Superior economy. This racism is so in grained that you just need a small incident to see mob justice. Today term "vandarey" is mainstream and has political party come against this. No. What has an average TN Hindu done in face of blatant racism and seperatism. They have sided with it. I an average nationalistic Hindu brought up all my life in Chennai am outnumbered in all forums by people who believe rest of India is bigger threat to their way of life than EJs. I feel like a stranger in my own city. That is the sort of polarisation we are talking about against bjp and RSS. How are we going to solve it if we keep being dishonest about the real problem.

schizophrenia, psychotic, delusional, etc. aren't words used in rational analysis about an entire society's actions. All the more when it applies to a portion of the country. Yes, people can be emotional, but there is way to express one's thoughts. Your own post, for example.


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