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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby venkat_r » 15 Nov 2019 12:26

Kashi wrote:The point is not what Jagan is doing, because even not-brightest-bulb could have predicted what was going to happen.

The question is what are AP folks doing or going to do about this? How are they going to respond.


Well people of AP had already voted, and comprehensively too = what else does anyone expect?

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Postby Sachin » 15 Nov 2019 14:44

Govt must read 'extremely important' dissent order in Sabarimala verdict: Justice Nariman.
The bias of the judge seems to be now coming out in the open. It is basic knowledge that the dissenting judgement has no meaning when it comes to taking any actions. He seems to be pi$$ed of with the fact that even issues related to Parsi community has now got clubbed with the Hindu religion based issues. The fact that a Malayalam news paper published this with great prominence also shows that who actually pays the piper (and call the tune) in Kerala.

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Postby hnair » 15 Nov 2019 15:36

^^^ In that case, Justice Indu Malhotra's dissent in 2018 Sabarimala verdict should carry weight too. No one in state government even bothered with that.

Sachin, word is that there is a sigh of relief among the less (relatively!) crazier of the non-Malabar commies of AKG center. Today, they took a "decision" not to allow women of specific age groups in :lol: This happened after all their efforts at a caste division (kulasthree vs navodhana) of women and oppression of the Ayyappa community came a cropper during lok sabha elections.

Would love to hear what the Judge Nariman has to say, of today's CPI-M decision

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Postby Yagnasri » 15 Nov 2019 16:01

Sachin wrote:Govt must read 'extremely important' dissent order in Sabarimala verdict: Justice Nariman.
The bias of the judge seems to be now coming out in the open. It is basic knowledge that the dissenting judgement has no meaning when it comes to taking any actions. He seems to be pi$$ed of with the fact that even issues related to Parsi community has now got clubbed with the Hindu religion based issues. The fact that a Malayalam news paper published this with great prominence also shows that who actually pays the piper (and call the tune) in Kerala.


It is quite unusual. No judge comments like that in a matter which is no way related to the matter in which his view is minority.

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Postby Dileep » 15 Nov 2019 16:44

Question to legal experts. What exactly is the legal standing of a dissenting order? Is that totally ignored?

Anyway, Hon. Jt. Nariman has clearly shown that he is not an impartial adjudicator in this matter, and should show the decency to stay away from messing with this case anymore. He says in his dissenting judgement "We have pointed out in this judgment that the majority judgment cannot be used to undermine the religious rights of others, including, in particular, religious minorities." Clearly biased here.

Anyway, the 'legal advice' the GoK got was not to take action to 'implement' the old verdict. But given how adamant and obstinate the CM is, we need to keep watching.

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Postby vishvak » 15 Nov 2019 17:34

Well people of AP had already voted, and comprehensively too

And is that all to democracy where majority is suckered dry while no criminal records exist, each and all patterns, for demolitions at night. Post independence the caste politics has taken its toll while sermons are given to overcome it.

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Postby Sachin » 15 Nov 2019 18:08

Dileep wrote:Question to legal experts. What exactly is the legal standing of a dissenting order? Is that totally ignored?

Not a legal expert. But my understanding is that a dissenting verdict, is just a record. None of the items mentioned there will ever be executed or considered to be a valid order. In other cases, the lawyers can refer to the dissenting verdict as a reference. It is simple; if dissenting orders had any merit then the order from Ms. Justice Indu Malhotra should have carried some bearing in all that was done by Go.KL. That did not happen and the commie louts at that time were lovers of the majority verdict.

The Devaswom Board Minister today said one thing which I actually support him. The media is now trying to fan the problem to cause more damage. It is they who are approaching the feminazis and then seeking their opinion and plan. From what I can make out; today more than any political party in Kerala the group which wants to spread anarchy in Kerala is the main stream media (that includes TV channels like Asianet, and news papers like Mathrubhumi).

Anyway, the 'legal advice' the GoK got was not to take action to 'implement' the old verdict. But given how adamant and obstinate the CM is, we need to keep watching.

A venomous snake is more trustable & honest than a communist leader-goon from northern parts of Kerala. So yes, it is always better to keep a watch. The commies can still sponsor women (using pliable police officers) and then act as if their plans were all bypassed. Some updates on the Police bandobust scheme is now available on the internet. None of the controversial officers - especially the Pentacoastal mission dude - has been put on duty. Two officers on duty at the hill temple are Hindus and said to be devout Hindus. We must also understand that extremely pro-Ayyappa police superior officers have also not been assigned ;).

From what I understand the commies fear loss of Hindu votes than any thing else. That is the only motivating factor for them to take such a stance. And I also feel that the campaign against the devotees putting in large amount to the Hundis should continue. The loss of revenue is another thing which terrorises the commies. Had met a chap who will be on duty in Sabari Mala during this season, last week. As per him; not even basic sanitary facilities are made available in the hill temple and surrounding areas. None of the shop keepers even want to open shops. And the users who have "registered" in the Kerala Police Virtual Q is peanuts.

hnair wrote:This happened after all their efforts at a caste division (kulasthree vs navodhana) of women and oppression of the Ayyappa community came a cropper during lok sabha elections.

True. A lot of familiar faces during the last time pilgrimage season will be missed this time around. The social scientist Sunil Elayidom the liar; Mrs. Plane Pilot who said her hubby helped her to take a darshan by flying the plane over the temple etc would be missed for sure. And off course who can forget Mary Sweety ?.

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Postby Rony » 15 Nov 2019 22:28

Kashi wrote:The point is not what Jagan is doing, because even not-brightest-bulb could have predicted what was going to happen.

The question is what are AP folks doing or going to do about this? How are they going to respond.



What political options people have ? BJP does not have any credible cadre or mass leaders who can fight on the ground.

The only credible alternative on the ground to Jagan is Opportunistic TDP . And TDP may not be EJs themselves but they appease EJs as much as Jagan and family does if not more. During TDP-BJP rule, Chandrababu Naidu demolished 30 temples in just one city Vijayawada in the name of road widening angering BJP and VHP then. Then endowment minister who was from BJP was powerless as he was not taken seriously by TDP.

Chandrababu Naidu govt in choppy waters after demolition of 30 temples in Vijayawada

When Jagan came, his govt said they will reconstruct those demolished temples. Not because his govt is friendly to Hindus but to get back at Chandrababu naidu.

Temples demolished during TDP regime to be reconstructed

Now Jagan is doing the same thing again to other temples in the name of road widening, the same excuse which TDP govt gave before. Now TDP which did the same thing when it was in power may oppose this not because they are friendly to Hindu sentiments but to get back at Jagan.


That is why irrespective of their political leanings, unless AP people join Hindu organizations like VHP, Bajrang Dal (which are pretty much non-existent and powerless in AP) and make them powerful mass organizations which can create awareness or in necessary times fight for themselves not much is going to change. On the political front, BJP needs to start from the scratch and build a credible cadre and mass leaders who can fight for people on the ground. And in the interests of AP Hindus, TDP which utterly failed them and has no civilizational vision (other than opportunistic dynastic caste politics with a pro-development propaganda) has to go and BJP or any other Hindu leaning regional alternative has to take its place.

I have no hopes or expectations from YSRCP or Jagan Reddy and his family. Once TDP is out, they has to be ruthlessly crushed . YSRCP knows this that is why it is allowing TDP to survive and not make it extinct. Most sitting TDP MLAs (and they are not many) want to jump ship either to YSRCP and if thats not possible, then to BJP. But Jagan made a condition that unless they resign their posts he wouldn't welcome them into his party. He knows no sitting MLA would agree to it. He knows BJP will occupy the space vacated by TDP and once BJP has enough traction, his game is up and hence his strategy is to make sure TDP is weak but not extinct.

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Postby Kashi » 16 Nov 2019 06:03

Once again, I am not referring to politics or voting.

I was asking about agitating, protesting against these actions. Taking to streets, making their voices heard.

Has it happened? Even if at a smaller scale?

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Postby Rony » 16 Nov 2019 06:24

If you seen the videos, you will see some women and men protesting. Otherwise how would the videos come out in the first place ? But it will never be a mass protests because of the reasons i mentioned above. The media projects the road widening angle and thats what most people believe.

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Postby Peregrine » 16 Nov 2019 07:43

LDF govt, CPMdo U-turn on entryof women at Sabarimala

- The CPM’s top decision-making body advised the Pinarayi Vijayan government not to be proactive in giving security to young women going to the shrine the way it did in the last pilgrim season.

- Devaswom minister Kadakampally Surendran said: “If any woman wants police protection to trek to Sabarimala, she will have to produce a court order for that.”


THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: Even as the Supreme Court hasn’t altered its September 28, 2018, ruling allowing the entry of women of all ages in Sabarimala shrine, the CPM state secretariat on Friday advised Kerala’s LDF government that unlike last year, it should not push too hard on the matter in the larger interests of preserving law and order.

The CPM’s top decision-making body discussed the verdict by the apex court’s five-member constitution bench on Thursday and advised the Pinarayi Vijayan government not to be proactive in giving security to young women going to the shrine the way it did in the last pilgrim season.

The state government was quick to indicate it would follow this new line during the two-month pilgrim season, which begins from the early hours of Sunday.

Devaswom minister Kadakampally Surendran said: “If any woman wants police protection to trek to Sabarimala, she will have to produce a court order for that.”

This is in sharp contrast to the government’s stand during the pilgrim season last year, when police protection was readily given to some young women devotees attempting to enter Lord Ayyappa’s shrine.

The minister also had a word of caution for women who have declared they would have darshan at the temple. “The government will not allow any activists to display their activism in the hill shrine. People like Trupti Desai (who had unsuccessfully attempted to visit Sabarimala last year) should not utilise the opportunity to show their strength. Sabarimala is not a place for such dramas,” the minister said.

CPM state secretariat’s suggestion coincided with the legal advice given to the LDF regime recommending that the government has no responsibility in ensuring that women get darshan at the shrine despite SC not staying its last year’s order allowing darshan to all women.

Senior lawyer Jayadeep Gupta is learnt to have advised the government that both the factors – SC not staying the 2018 verdict and referring to the seven-judge bench many of the issues that had led to the 2018 order for further scrutiny – need to be considered with equal importance. Similarly, advocate general C P Sudhakara Prasad, who represented the government in SC, has communicated to the CM that the government is not liable to give protection to women who come for darshan as most of the decisions taken by the five-member bench in its order on September 28 have now been referred to the seven-member bench.

Sources said the state secretariat has decided to adopt a wait-and-watch approach. The party’s central leadership also communicated to the state leaders that the politburo meeting scheduled for Saturday and Sunday will discuss the Sabarimala order and the party’s final stand will be decided after that.

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Postby Sachin » 16 Nov 2019 08:39

Now that the dust is cleared I feel Mr. Justice Ranjan Gogoi has done real justice. He did what best he could do and then moved away 8). Think about it;
1. The supreme court verdict on Sabari Mala was all about annulling a section in a specific Act & Rule. The verdict of 2019 now wants a bigger bench to confirm if the said Act had any governance/jurisdiction in Sabari Mala temple :lol:. Which means that even if the annulment is found to be valid as per law, the subsequent question (is it applicable in Sabari Mala?) will remain. So until these two questions are clearly answered no "secular", "liberal" commie can try any new stunt in Sabari Mala temple.
2. The verdict of 2019 also has clearly identified similar problems in other religions. The timing of those cases are also 100% perfect. There was a case filed by Muslim couple who wanted entry to mosques. That cannot be rejected because of no locus standi; the petitioners are Muslims. Now there would be appeals and counter appeals.
3. Pretty much every political party will now keep away from this. Some or the other vote bank would be getting effected. This is now reached a stage where "if the ship sinks, every one dies; and if the ship gets going every one is safe".

The dubious interest shown by folks like Indira Jai Singh etc. will now die a natural death as this whole case is now messing up life for every one (not just Ayyappa bhakthas or the Hindus). In the case of Sabari Mala; I am now eagerly waiting to see the footfall to the shrine this time as well as the Revenue (target v/s actual). This temple was a cash cow for the various Go.KLs.
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Postby Kaivalya » 16 Nov 2019 09:09

Sachin wrote: I am now eagerly waiting to see the footfall to the shrine this time as well as the Revenue (target v/s actual). This temple was a cash cow for the various Go.KLs.


As long as the temple golden goose keeps laying eggs for the government/ people in power ..yindoos will never be out of this influence of power brokers. Power brokers will keep teaching us about secular values, importance of charitable activities, call us witch killers etc because that enables them to keep looting. We need to create a process to create boards that work independently. Unfortunately even corporate India is only just being asked to certify that its boards understand the term fiduciary duty every year. Sometimes i get so mad and think corrupt hindu boards are better than power broker robber boards ( hoping atleast a fraction of the boards will be better)

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Postby Dileep » 16 Nov 2019 11:17

We are not out of the woods yet.. Things would heavily depend upon what the new CJI Hon Jt. Bobde thinks. For a moment, let us imagine that (Horror! Horror!) Hon. Jt. Nariman had become CJI. Given his enthusiastic attempt to bypass/sabotage the majority judgement by mentioning his dissenting view at a totally irrelevant case, someone would mention the case next week, and he will most likely go hammer and tongs, directly ordering the GoK to by all means take the feminazis to the temple.

I am pretty sure, now that Monster Kadakampuli asked the activitists to get court order, there will be 'mention' of it at the CJI court next week. Not sure how Hon. Jt. Bobde will react.

They may even pull a quick one by mentioning at Jt. Nariman's court and geting a quick order. Of course, we can go to CJI's court and try get relief, so it all depend upon what CJI thinks.

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Postby Kashi » 16 Nov 2019 12:04

Rony wrote:If you seen the videos, you will see some women and men protesting. Otherwise how would the videos come out in the first place ? But it will never be a mass protests because of the reasons i mentioned above. The media projects the road widening angle and thats what most people believe.


Media projections have really never stopped mass agitations as the Ayappa bhaktjan admirably showed this year and last.

Kudos to some men and women who are rightfully protesting against these actions; others choose to be apathetic for their own reasons and this is what will embolden more such actions in the future.

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Postby Sachin » 16 Nov 2019 13:45

Dileep wrote:For a moment, let us imagine that (Horror! Horror!) Hon. Jt. Nariman had become CJI.

If Mr. Justice Nariman was the CJI, I would not be surprised if the gent was today in Pampa river base in person and directing the police officers on the ground :).

I am pretty sure, now that Monster Kadakampuli asked the activitists to get court order, there will be 'mention' of it at the CJI court next week. Not sure how Hon. Jt. Bobde will react.

Justice (Retd.) Gogoi has placed a neat little IED there which even our own Madras Sappers & Miners could not have done :). What can the feminazis ask for? Demand that there is an official clarification that Supreme Court verdict of 2018 is still valid and then demand its execution. Fine that can be quickly done. But then what about the next question? The recent verdict wants a larger bench (and not the CJI alone) to examine whether the specific Act & Rule in KL is even applicable at Sabari Mala. That examination cannot be done in a jiffy. Forming a larger bench, then that bench going through of all court records etc. would take time. And add to it the other complex questions (of other religions) also being passed up. How can an Act whose jurisdiction is now in question be even enforced? This is like Bengaluru police charging some one under Sec. 15 (c) of Kerala Abkari Act - which is NOT operational in Karnataka. Navothanam (Renaissance) will have to wait for a while.

Yes off course, the standard policy of "never trust a commie" still holds good. I am dead sure that Sangh Parivar would be watching the situation quite carefully. Not the right thing to say; but today it is the Sangh Parivar who will want to see some goof up happening from Go.KL side. As of today there are umpteen issues in the hill temple area which can be (and should be) highlighted to keep the commies on their toes. And as I said before; for the final kill off this issue the Travancore Devaswom Board has to be completely made irrelevant both socially and financially.

They may even pull a quick one by mentioning at Jt. Nariman's court and geting a quick order. Of course, we can go to CJI's court and try get relief, so it all depend upon what CJI thinks.

This would NOT fly. Because this would be a situation which would be totally against the fundamentals of the judicial process operational in India. A Supreme Court judge forcing the execution of his verdict when it was in dissenting/minority is going to open a Pandora's box and that too at a national level.

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Postby pankajs » 16 Nov 2019 14:15

Many Hindu activist are miffed that Sabrimala issue has been tied up with Mosque entry, etc. However, now the FemNazis but especially those who went hammer and tongs after the Hindu tradition will have to be tred very careful just because of that. NONE of the so called "Liberal/Progressive" want to be seen as attacking "Minorities" now that all practices of all religions have been bunched up.

Some so called "Liberal/Progressive"will bail out of the situation, some will go slow and tread with caution and some will attempt unenviable contortions of "refined" logic, which while appealing to their fellow travelers in their echo-chambers, will not fly with the man on the street.

The bench, after pronouncing a near unanimous verdict, had an tough task of backtracking. This is the best they could do in the face of their prior verdict and the opposition from the liberal "fundamentalists" on the bench.

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Postby Yagnasri » 16 Nov 2019 18:20

The idea of applying the so-called "constitutional morality" (God only knows what it means because morality is basic principle which is beyond constitution and context time and place sensitive) to one case of Hindus and not applying to other cases of other religions in similar cases is not easy. Chandrachud and Nariman will be hardpressed to do things on this.

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Postby chetak » 16 Nov 2019 18:41

Yagnasri wrote:The idea of applying the so-called "constitutional morality" (God only knows what it means because morality is basic principle which is beyond constitution and context time and place sensitive) to one case of Hindus and not applying to other cases of other religions in similar cases is not easy. Chandrachud and Nariman will be hardpressed to do things on this.



Nariman is an ordained zorastrian priest.

There is a huge conflict of interest here.

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Postby pankajs » 16 Nov 2019 19:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhlDlC757qo
A review of the Ram Janma Bhoomi and Sabarimala Judgments {One of the Sabrimala lawyer}


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Postby Sachin » 16 Nov 2019 19:10

pankajs wrote:The bench, after pronouncing a near unanimous verdict, had an tough task of backtracking. This is the best they could do in the face of their prior verdict and the opposition from the liberal "fundamentalists" on the bench.

If any Hindu activists are miffed then they can just go to the nearest bar and have a couple of pegs and cry. The sheer ingenuity shown by the majority in the bench needs some analysis to comprehend. Imagine a situation;
1. A PIL filed by very strong feminazis who actually had no locus standi in the temple at all.
2. The PIL reaching Supreme Court and the court deciding to hear it even after one of the litigants wanted to back off.
3. The custodian of the temple the Travancore Devaswom Board actually colluding with the enemy of the faith in order to prove "secularism & communism".
4. A communist government being very eager and happy to destroy a Hindu temple of faith.
5. A biased bench which heard the case.

Every thing was stacked against the Hindu temple at Sabari Mala. The Supreme Court's constitution bench made a verdict in year 2018. Chances of that being annulled/canceled is pretty nil. The nation's highest court making a judgment only to cancel it completely is going to bring down its stature to very low levels. But some thing had to be done, as the 50+ review petitions had merit in it. Considering the ground situation what options did the new bench have? If you ask me, they did some real out of the box thinking (which perhaps only lawyers can think off). They did not modify the Supreme Court's 2018 verdict (so no H&D loss) but just added a clause that they had doubts whether the modified law actually have governance over Sabari Mala :lol:. That clause actually shattered the hopes of many "progressive.. liberal.. communist". Even today many of the "eminent (!?)" lawyers of KL who support the commies have not been able to figure out how and why the Supreme Court verdict of 2018 now cannot be carried out at Sabari Mala temple.

chetak wrote:Nariman is an ordained zorastrian priest.

Let the new bench be formed and the whole points & cases passed up by the 5 member bench now be heard. We will see the real faces of many eminent people and their behind the scene attitudes. Retd. Justice Ranjan Gogoi should be thanked a 1000 times for handling the review petitions in Sabari Mala case in a way that the whole hypocrisy of the "Indian Seculars & Liberals" will now stand exposed.

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Postby Dileep » 16 Nov 2019 21:35

The shrine is open, back to the glory it had 14 months ago. No restrictions at all. The police is actively looking for women of restricted age, since they don't want any unrest because someone gets through. Before the problem erupted, the check was only at the check post at Pampa.

No KL activitist will go, since those are all were commie stooges. (Except of course that lunatic Mary Sweety). Some out of state like aThrupti may make a show, but she is not going to come out of the airport.

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Postby Sachin » 16 Nov 2019 22:11

Dileep wrote:The police is actively looking for women of restricted age, since they don't want any unrest because someone gets through

The police drama-baazi need to be seen. This morning the first WhatsApp message I got from a commie friend was a video. That was of men from a K.A.P camp in Kerala proceeding to Sabari Mala. All the policemen chanting Swamiye Sharanam Ayyappa, doing Aarthi of the vehicle etc. Today was the day of briefing for the police men on duty. There were also chants of Swamiye Sharanam Ayyappa there as well. These were all very usual stuff till a couple of years ago. But today I feel this is all drama-baazi. K.P; I feel has lost the trust of the common Ayyappa Bhaktha. They can try their best, but it would years for the lost trust to be regained. That I feel is basic human psychology.

(Except of course that lunatic Mary Sweety).

All said and done, today if I really wish for any one to be taken to the hill temple it is this Mary Sweety. If she is above the age limit, then perhaps Hindu Ayyappas should actually help her do a Kettu Nira and take her up the temple and give her a good Darshan. She being mentally challenged seems to be much more holier/nobler than the cunning crooks like Trupthi Desai, Bindu Ammini, Libi Sebastian etc.

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Postby Peregrine » 16 Nov 2019 22:30

Sabarimala temple opens, devotees throng to offer prayers

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- Police said at least 10 women, who were part of a 30-member group from Vijayawada in Andhra Pradesh, were sent back from Pamba as they were found to be in the barred age group of 10-50 years

- Devaswom minister Kadakampally Surendran has made it clear that Sabarimala was not a place for activists to display their activism and said the government would not encourage such women who want to visit the shrine for publicity


SABARIMALA: Amid tight security, thousands of devotees from Kerala, Tamil Nadu, and other neighbouring states on Saturday offered prayers at the Lord Ayyappa temple when it was opened for the annual Mandala-Makaravilakku pooja.

Police said at least 10 women, who were part of a 30-member group from Vijayawada in Andhra Pradesh, were sent back from Pamba, five km from the shrine, as they were found to be in the barred age group of 10-50 years.

At 5pm, Kandararu Mahesh Mohanararu opened the sanctum sanctorum of the temple, located in a reserve forest of the Western Ghats in Pathanamthitta district of the state, and performed the poojas.

The devotees, who were allowed to trek the hill from 2pm, climbed the sacred 18 steps to the temple with the "irumudikettu" (sacred bag containing the offerings to the Lord) after the priests performed the "padipooja".

While A K Sudheer Namboodiri took charge as Sabarimala 'melshanti' (chief priest), M S Parameswaran Namboodiri who was take charge as priest of the Malikappuram Devi Temple could not following a death in his family

He is likely to take charge by November 23, according to officials.

At the Pampa base camp earlier, police checked the identity cards of a group from Vijayawada and sent back 10 young women.

"... police checked their identity cards and found that they were in the barred age group and informed them about the current situation in Sabarimala. They did not proceed further," the official said.

The state and temple precincts had witnessed protests by right wing outfits and BJP workers last year after the LDF government had decided to implement the Supreme court's verdict of September 28, 2018 allowing women of all age groups to offer prayers at the shrine.

However, this year, even though the top court had not stayed its verdict on entry of young women into the shrine while posting various petitions on the matter to a larger bench, the government was exercising caution.

Devaswom minister Kadakampally Surendran has made it clear that Sabarimala was not a place for activists to display their activism and said the government would not encourage such women who want to visit the shrine for publicity.

Those who want to visit the temple can procure a court order to enter the temple, he had said.

The Devaswom board, which manages the temples in the state, has made elaborate arrangements to provide maximum amenities to the devotees.

The unprecedented floods during August last year had also played havoc with the pilgrimage season with most of the facilities for the devotees being destroyed.

Resting places for the devotees at Nilackal, Pamba and Sannidhanam have already been set up along with medical, water and toilet facilities.

Over 10,000 police personnel would be posted in phases in and around the Lord Ayyappa temple for security purposes during the pilgrimage season.

The temple, which is located deep inside the Periyar Tiger Reserve, is opened for worship only during the days of Mandalapooja, Makaravilakku and Vishu festivals.

It will also be open during the first five days of every Malayalam month.

During this pilgrimage season, the temple will be open till December 27 for the Mandalapooja after which it will be closed for three days.

The shrine will reopen on December 30 for the Makaravilakku festival after which it will close on January 20.

A five-judge bench headed by Chief Justice Ranjan Gogoi on Thursday said a larger bench will re-examine various religious issues, including the entry of women into the hill temple and mosques and the practice of female genital mutilation in the Dawoodi Bohra community.

By a 3:2 verdict, it decided to keep pending the pleas seeking a review of its decision regarding the entry of women into the shrine, and said restrictions on women in religious places was not restricted to Sabarimala alone and was prevalent in other religions as well.

The temple, dedicated to Lord Ayyappa, is situated on a hilltop about 4,000 feet

As vehicles can go only up to Pamba, devotees have to trek through difficult paths in the forest to reach the shrine which is about 4000 feet above sea level.

Meanwhile, Renaissance Protection committee, an LDF initiative, lashed out at the Left government, saying it had gone "soft" on its stand on women entry issue and this will only help "weaken" the cause.

Early this year, two women in the barred age group – Bindhu and Kanakadurga - had trekked the holy hills and offered prayers at the shrine, scripting history on January 2.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Rony » 17 Nov 2019 17:35

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chetak wrote:twitter


Central govt has canceled FCRA licence of 168 NGO in Andhra Pradesh involved in misusing foreign funds for illegal, conversion & banned activities

Notable one is:

YS Vijayamma Charitable Trust
Andhra CM JAGAN REDDY mother's 's NGO



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Postby Rony » 17 Nov 2019 18:04

https://twitter.com/InfidelApostate/sta ... 1526930432 (video)

This is from a Church in Srikakulam AP where YS Jagan's BIL Brother Anil came to preach the sermon.I secretly filmed this right before the elections,all the pastors of Srikakulam assembled n 'prayed' for Vijayamma, Sharmila, Jagan. They also discussed Christian Samrajyam in AP.



Of Rs 85 crore spent on campaign, Jagan's YSRCP paid Rs 37 cr to I-PAC for consultancy

The ruling YSRCP in Andhra Pradesh paid Rs 37.57 crore (37,57,68,966) to political consultancy Indian Political Action Committee (I-PAC), founded by Prashant Kishor, as part of services extended for the Legislative Assembly and Lok Sabha elections held in the state earlier this year.



As per these official 'Election Expenditure Statements' YSRCP spent only 85 crore and TDP only 77 crore in last elections :rotfl:

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby ShyamSP » 17 Nov 2019 21:00

Rony wrote:X-post

chetak wrote:twitter
Central govt has canceled FCRA licence of 168 NGO in Andhra Pradesh involved in misusing foreign funds for illegal, conversion & banned activities

Notable one is:

YS Vijayamma Charitable Trust
Andhra CM JAGAN REDDY mother's 's NGO



Good finally some action on Bibleamma. There are many of their family EJ organizations under different names that some one, hopefully for public consumption, should cross map them with the list of those 168 NGOs. Wife and Brother-in-law have their own and much bigger EJ spreading wings/orgs. Also some prominent party people who even I thought to be Hindus are EJs too,

However, they are a few steps ahead of Hindus. English medium may be avenue to bring EJs to teach and provide "genuine" English to poor people. Once you detach natives from their native language and culture you can plant whatever in peoples' mind.

Poverty face and SC/ST atrocities act are used to thwart any opposition attacks on their policies/GOs/Government actions.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Rony » 18 Nov 2019 01:32

#SaveHindusFromJaganReddy trending on Twitter at 3rd place

34 minutes ago
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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Rony » 18 Nov 2019 11:00

TDP rebel MLA Vallabhaneni Vamsi (who belongs to Jr.NTR coterie) pledged his support to Jagan/YSRCP. He is accusing TDP and Nara Lokesh of running smear campaign against him after elections. He says his sources in state intelligence told him that TDP runs around 50 propaganda websites in Telugu and they were set up under former state intelligence head AB Venkateswara Rao. These organized propaganda websites are run from TDP office. He is spelling the beans on his former collegues and boss and his son. I am not complaining. Some of those TDP propaganda website names he mentioned are Amaravati voice, Andhrudu, Voice of Andhra.


Meanwhile,

Telugu version of Tamil Dumeels


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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby hanumadu » 18 Nov 2019 11:23

That would be the day.

https://www.opindia.com/2019/11/ndtv-auditors-express-concern-bankrupt/

Bankruptcy looms over NDTV as auditor’s review shows a grim picture

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Yagnasri » 18 Nov 2019 11:51

Rony wrote:Telugu version of Tamil Dumeels


TDP found that it is easy for them to attack Jagan as EJs became active under Jagan. While TDP was equally Pro EJ, it is now pretending that it is only Jagan who is pro-EJ. But one thing they are forgetting, once EJ activities are exposed, TDP can not go back supporting EJs like before. Further all these open MSM reporting on EJ activities are creating a Hindu unity and solidarity in AP like almost RJB period time.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Kashi » 18 Nov 2019 13:58

Yagnasri wrote:But one thing they are forgetting, once EJ activities are exposed, TDP can not go back supporting EJs like before.


Why not? I would think it would be easy thing to do, ply one side against another at the drop of the hat. INC has been doing so all over the country despite all the "exposures", SP, BSP, RJD, JDU, TMC, NCP, Commies et al. have followed the same rule book, albeit with localised impact.

TDP itself played footsie with jihadis even after so many "exposures" came out, including the Hyderabad blasts.

What will stop them from doing this again?

Yagnasri wrote:Further all these open MSM reporting on EJ activities are creating a Hindu unity and solidarity in AP like almost RJB period time.


I hope you are right, but proof of the pudding lies in eating.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby ShyamSP » 18 Nov 2019 14:10

Rony wrote:TDP rebel MLA Vallabhaneni Vamsi (who belongs to Jr.NTR coterie) pledged his support to Jagan/YSRCP. He is accusing TDP and Nara Lokesh of running smear campaign against him after elections. He says his sources in state intelligence told him that TDP runs around 50 propaganda websites in Telugu and they were set up under former state intelligence head AB Venkateswara Rao. These organized propaganda websites are run from TDP office. He is spelling the beans on his former collegues and boss and his son. I am not complaining. Some of those TDP propaganda website names he mentioned are Amaravati voice, Andhrudu, Voice of Andhra.


All parties - whether TDP, YCP, TRS, INC, and BJP - have propaganda websites and social media accounts and apps which by the way cost not much to setup. They don't need color of state/central intelligence people doing it.

YCP paid $37 Cr to Prashant Kishore in White money as per image you posted. 1-2 crores will do to setup some thousands of websites and propaganda programs, imagine what thousands crores spent during elections can do.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Yagnasri » 18 Nov 2019 14:15

Kashi wrote:
Yagnasri wrote:Why not? I would think it would be easy thing to do, ply one side against another at the drop of the hat. INC has been doing so all over the country despite all the "exposures", SP, BSP, RJD, JDU, TMC, NCP, Commies et al. have followed the same rule book, albeit with localised impact.

TDP itself played footsie with jihadis even after so many "exposures" came out, including the Hyderabad blasts.

What will stop them from doing this again?


Such activities are done when there is no powerful party identified with Hindus available to take advantage for the situation. Further, the era of social media etc changed the situation. Most of the parties mentioned above lost very badly once there is Hindu consolidation. The problem with AP is BJP is weak locally mainly due to lack of efforts from the leadership. With Anil Dhevdhar being in charge that may change hopefully.

All they have to do it not invite the snake CBN into their friendship.

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Postby Rony » 18 Nov 2019 19:21

ShyamSP wrote: All parties - whether TDP, YCP, TRS, INC, and BJP - have propaganda websites and social media accounts and apps which by the way cost not much to setup.


Can you list BJP organized propaganda websites in Telugu ?

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby vishvak » 18 Nov 2019 20:58

Further, the era of social media etc changed the situation.

Even on brf we underestimate damage due to shadow banning on social media. Consider how well it worked when information from online account on twitter website (forgot which one) was used in sc during rjb verdict.

The elite bimbo historians were caught giving circular references in hc however. The 'next final' verdict however will be a acceptable, once review letigations are done.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Rony » 18 Nov 2019 21:31

Yagnasri wrote:
Rony wrote:Telugu version of Tamil Dumeels


TDP found that it is easy for them to attack Jagan as EJs became active under Jagan. While TDP was equally Pro EJ, it is now pretending that it is only Jagan who is pro-EJ.


True. But just want to clarify that the #SaveHindusFromJaganReddy trending on Twitter was started and sustained by Pro-BJP handles (most of them Non-Telugus) and not by TDP people. Since BJP people started it, TDP handles stayed away from it showing their opportunism once again.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby nachiket » 19 Nov 2019 05:42

Yagnasri wrote:TDP found that it is easy for them to attack Jagan as EJs became active under Jagan. While TDP was equally Pro EJ, it is now pretending that it is only Jagan who is pro-EJ. But one thing they are forgetting, once EJ activities are exposed, TDP can not go back supporting EJs like before. Further all these open MSM reporting on EJ activities are creating a Hindu unity and solidarity in AP like almost RJB period time.

The situation in AP looks far scarier than even TN and Kerala at this point. AP ostensibly has a higher percentage of Hindus than Kerala. BUt the main opposition party it seems was busy supporting EJ's when they were in power and the current ones in power actually are EJ's themselves! The state is already lost then if that is the case.

At least in Kerala despite lower numbers, the Hindus showed enough power both on the streets and in the elections to make even the commies change their actions (though not their minds) about Sabarimala.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby sudarshan » 19 Nov 2019 06:40

https://swarajyamag.com/insta/strong-bu ... -elections

Why is Rajini getting together with Kamal, and that too both of them being endorsed by Joseph Vijay?


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