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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Rony » 01 Dec 2019 02:11

kittigadu wrote: We have our own “Kamma lobby” within BRF advocating for the Snake Babu. They want BJP to win everywhere else, except AP. Caste trumps everything. So BJP “cheated” Andhra. Didn’t give funds for Polavaram and Amtavathi etc. etc. pathetic.


Their argument if i understand correctly is BJP has no chance in AP, so better be a sidekick of TDP and help TDP against Jagan. But what incentive BJP has to help TDP after all that TDP has done to BJP and the treacherous way they behaved post-Balakot ? I dont see any answer for that. Other thing is they believe their own propaganda. They seriously think BJP has not done anything for Polavaram or Amaravati and its all BJP's fault. Completely brainwashed people.

OmkarC wrote: But there was immense hatred manufactured against Modi ji & BJP by the TDP leadership during run up to the 2019 polls. Unprecedented hatred. ............. Many TDP folks went overboard to post facebook messages supporting Pakistani version of Pulwama that Modi himself killed Indian soldiers to get sympathy.


That hatred for Modi/Shah did not change even now among TDP sympathizers. This is inspite of the fact that CBN himself is doing everything he can to get in to good graces of Modi/Shah. That is the difference between political leaders and supporters. U-turn Political leaders like CBN change their colors every few months but his supporters could not change their views similarly in such short time. Such was the intensity of hatred towards Modi/Shah CBN and his yellow media and his social media wing injected in them. Because of that unprecedented hatred generated by CBN prior to elections, TDP sympathizers now are thoroughly anti-BJPfied. And because of their hatred towards Modi/Shah, a counter hatred got aroused among BJP sympathizers towards TDP. In assembly and lok sabha in AP, since BJP had no chance of winning any deposits (thanks to CBNs propaganda) much less seats and nothing to lose, many BJP supporters who would have otherwise hated YSRCP voted for that party just to teach CBN a lesson. Even now BJP sympathizers are not in a forgiving mood and rightly so.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby ShyamSP » 01 Dec 2019 05:27

Maybe Hindu caste lobbies are dangerous and BIF forces. However, our favorite BJP (insert your favorite caste) lobby including brought ("enabled" rather) Yesu Rajyam in AP working along with Yesu and Islamic lobby.

While we can argue on all caste or party lobbies and sympathizers, BJP leader with same stale arguments is clearly being dressed down here. :D BJP's Swayam-kruparardham (self-inflicted) with its political machinations brought hatred across state.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP9xuCzmb5I

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby vishvak » 01 Dec 2019 06:16

Instead of blue on blue, why not mark out steps to reduce the amount of time that is needed to avoid the scenario where state funds are used to convert gullible; for example what would opposition do to protest ghar wapasi by state funds and awareness to make the same in previous (or each) case.

In fact, isn't it against law to offer state freebies based on religion and only SC/ST are offered such state subsidies. The conversion means that the new religion s do not practice such differences between two caste etc.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Rony » 01 Dec 2019 09:31

ShyamSP wrote:Maybe Hindu caste lobbies are dangerous and BIF forces. However, our favorite BJP (insert your favorite caste) lobby including brought ("enabled" rather) Yesu Rajyam in AP working along with Yesu and Islamic lobby.


Even if one agrees with TDP propaganda that BJP "enabled" yesu rajyam in AP, the credit for that goes to stupidity of TDP which forced even a party like BJP to support YCP. Who lost at the end ?


ShyamSP wrote: While we can argue on all caste or party lobbies and sympathizers, BJP leader with same stale arguments is clearly being dressed down here. :D BJP's Swayam-kruparardham (self-inflicted) with its political machinations brought hatred across state.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP9xuCzmb5I


AP media like Tamil and Malayalam media is very anti-BJP. No wonder the anchor venkata krishna is relishing and participating in that dressing down. Had he been a non-biased anchor he would have dwelt the facts about special status, what are the practical limitations in granting it and why it is not a showstopper for development. Will TDP/YCP/Janasena/Congress parties can convince their buddies and allies with which they formed a anti-BJP front before elections like TRS in Telangana, DMK in Tamil Nadu, Commies in Kerala and Congress in Karnataka not to make a fuss about giving special status to AP with 100% tax exemptions ? The thing is AP media and AP non-BJP politicians just want to play politics with this and nothing else. It has nothing to do with their concern about development.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Yagnasri » 01 Dec 2019 10:30

The special status stupidity ended with the elections. Almost no one is speaking about it now. Those few who do it from time to time do so as lip service.

CBN backstabbed almost everyone who helped him. NTR, Daggupati, Harikrishna, ABV, NM to name a few. His idea of friendship only extends to short term gain to him and both short and long term damage to those become his friends. Hopefully BJP realised this. Now it shall keep him away from NDA and also from influencing BJP internal politics.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Rony » 01 Dec 2019 10:46

^^

Along with all those people, CBN backstabbed Jr.NTR too after using him for elections and then dumping him so that he does not become a threat to his pappu son.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby uskumar » 01 Dec 2019 16:23

People of South AP and TN stay safe. Lots of rain received over last 2 days. More rains forecast over the evening and night

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Yagnasri » 01 Dec 2019 16:50

Rony wrote:^^

Along with all those people, CBN backstabbed Jr.NTR too after using him for elections and then dumping him so that he does not become a threat to his pappu son.


That is part of Hari Krishana backstabbing. Jr NTR is not going to come into political activity anytime soon or at least till CBN and his Pappu totally fails. CBN is too old and can not continue until 2024. Pappu is useless. So the entire party don't have any long term future.

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Postby Rony » 01 Dec 2019 20:10

Yagnasri wrote:CBN is too old and can not continue until 2024. Pappu is useless. So the entire party don't have any long term future.


It does not have long term future but they will survive until 2024 and beyond. But the party is definitely up for grabs. Had Jagan gave a green signal to the 22 TDP MLA's (Vallabhaneni Vamsi is already out) that he is willing to have them in his party without having them resign their MLA seats, most of those MLAs might have already switched to YSRCP. And people who dont want to join YSRCP are looking towards BJP.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Rony » 02 Dec 2019 10:06

Bengal type killing of BJP people started in AP. Before, the factional fights in Rayalaseema region was generally between Congress/YSRCP and TDP sympathizers. This is new. The few BJP cadre and sympathizers will be sitting ducks before YSRCP muscle power.

Video in Telugu

https://twitter.com/bhemamani/status/12 ... 34368?s=20

In AP's Rayalaseema region, Kadapa district (Reddy caste dominated and stronghold of YSRCP), a person from Raju caste who joined BJP recently is sitting in the middle of the road with his dead mother and pregnant wife and demanding justice. YSRCP people killed his old mother by beating her mercilessly. His pregnant wife was also beaten. All because he joined BJP and put BJP flag in front of his house.

No mainstream media in AP, all of whom are either owned by YSRCP sympathizers or TDP sympathizers and all virulently anti-BJP will cover this.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby vcsekhar » 02 Dec 2019 12:06

Sachin, thanks for the detailed reply and additions to what i had written.
We really need a lot more policemen who are better paid and respected by the general population as the work they do is hard, unforgiving and can leave them with lifelong PTSD.
I hope that the government will pay heed to the situation and take some corrective actions.


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vcsekhar wrote:The mother told us that she would have never run off after which I contacted a senior IPS officer that I knew and he called the local CI to push the investigation along. She was traced a few days later with the cell phone of the guy and they got her just in time, the guy was part of a trafficking gang and the deal was already made to sell her off.

Its a sad situation for the cops, most are highly stretched out already having 14 - 15 hour duty days. Recently a local activist put a case in the SC asking it to direct the govt to not ask the cops to work such high number hours a day. Seems they have been working 7 days a week and are on call 24 hours a day.

arshyam wrote:If I were to work 14-15 hours a day in the field and also work weekends, I too would be grumpy to everyone, and end up with health issues on top of it. So who'd want to opt for such work as a career choice?


Police - even though it looks like a glamorous job is a very stressful one. The Police Act, 1861 still is the base act under which all Indian police forces operate. And the Act is very clear on one thing; a police man is assumed to be on duty 24/7. So this may be only government department where a police man is generally taking a "permission" to move away from his jurisdictional area. Other department staff don't take "permission" but "apply for leave". A day off is generally called a "permission" (to be away from the PS and be on rest).

India may be the only country where the "cutting edge" of a police force have a working arrangement which forces them to maintain "two households". In India, the crucial ranks in the police force are 1) Sub Inspector 2) Inspector. These officials are eligible to be transferred to any station or post in a state within a matter of hours. There is no minimum or maximum limit on the tenure (in present PS/Post), the distance to reach the new PS/Post location. So in many cases these officers have to establish a household for their family at a more convenient location (so that wife's job, kid's school etc. is smooth) and also stay away at a different place with some basic comfort. This "two household" life style itself triggers a lot of problems. It is in such situations that many officers slowly get involved in shady activities, or have concubines etc. Being the cutting edge of the force, these officials also have lots of discretionary powers which can be misused. And any mis-adventure here will also make the official liable for blackmail by the political class ;).

A person visiting a doctor (in Govt. service) essentially would be willing to tell the truth to him. Govt. offices, hospitals etc sees a large foot fall. But generally people who come there would be willing to be truthful. They are there to get a work done, and would bring in the necessary proof for the same. Where as a police station sees a more wide variety of crowd, and a much more "shady" characters. The line between an honest petitioner and a shady chap coming with a false compliant is very thin. Take for example, the woman who insisted that her daughter will never run away with any one. It is her belief, and it is that what media etc. high lights. But a police man from experience knows that the girl was very much in contact with the man/boy and at least the initial part of elopement was by mutual understanding (the later part of human trafficking may not have been known to the girl). Now if the police officer tells this to the mother, she and the media folks would hound him.

In court rooms more smart people can debate on the law points for years. But in police stations people approach demanding instance justice. A techie in Bengaluru comes crying saying that some one just ran away with his iPhone. He expects the entire station crowd to just run out of the PS and patrol the city to catch the pick pocket. The very next complainant comes with a petition saying that his "very good & cultured daughter is missing". He also expects the entire station strength to jump into their jeeps looking for the girl. So every one expects rapid response and instance justice from the Police (but not from the courts). And as a police man friend once told me; "Even the most brilliant person generally will NOT advice a doctor on how to perform a surgery, but even the dumbest person will have an expert advice for police men investigating a case".

Now to answer the moot question. Why should any one join such a department. The reason is simple. The department still have a big say in public life. For a simple graduate (for SIs and Inspectors) to a 10th Std pass; this may be the only job which gives them a large share of power and command over people. And this is also a job which gives a steady source of income. And this is also a job where money can also be made on the side. And the police man do not need to go demanding bribes, Indian system has a way to ensure that it reaches him on time :). As they say there are "vegetarian" police men (who will not actively demand bribe, but is willing to take it when offered), and also "non-vegetarian" police men (who generally are ruthless, and also very keen on demanding bribes).

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Rony » 03 Dec 2019 00:01

YSRCP leader Kodali Nani in a TV9 interview - In this state (Andhra Pradesh), Hindus are 60-65%, Christians and Muslims are 35 - 40%. BJP and TDP trying to be brand ambassadors to these 60% Hindus.

This is actually the first time any prominent politician telling that Hindus in AP are now just 60%.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Sachin » 04 Dec 2019 16:46

Mean while at Sabari Mala.
SC to hear next week plea of woman who was stopped from entering Sabarimala temple
Sabarimala: SC agrees to hear plea of activist Bindu Ammini seeking protection to pray at temple
Scroll.in reports; The Supreme Court on Wednesday agreed to hear women’s rights activist Bindu Ammini’s plea seeking directions to Kerala government to ensure safe passage of all women to the Sabarimala temple, regardless of their age or religion, ANI reported.

And there are rumours on social media that this an X'ian consipracy to damage the temple using the loop hole that people from any religious background can visit the shrine.

I don't know how Hon. Supreme Court can "order" a temple or its management to change the traditions of a temple, without hearing all concerned parties. In the first case, the first verdict annulled a provision in a local Act. Even that verdict did NOT have a directive asking women to be taken up the temple. The latest court verdict (of 2019) is asking a larger bench to deliberate and see if the anulled Act & Rule is even applicable in the case of Sabari Mala. All the "seculars" are demanding that the 2018 verdict has not been stayed and so has to be executed. What is there to execute, when there are no specific directives to any party in that verdict? Link to an earlier post from me which had the actual reference to the SC verdict of 2019.

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Postby Dileep » 04 Dec 2019 19:04

This move is good. Some clear decision may come out of it. The decision may be against us devotees, but it is better to have a clear decision than the current uncertainty.

The GoKL has taken advantage of the unclear verdict to 'fly with the birds' while retaining the option to 'run with the mammals' any time they please. A clear decision will force them to choose a side. Same with the central govt. Same with Congress in the state. Everyone will have to take a side.

This is a wholly new bench. If it were the old bench with Hon. Jt. Nariman, it would have been a foregone conclusion. Now, the die could fall either way. The good thing is that the Hon Court need not ask anyone, like the govt or the devaswom board. This is simply a clarification about the effectivity of the 2018 verdict. The worse the bench can do is to post the case for later, but I think they will be obliged to give an interim order.

Interesting times ahead.

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Postby ShyamSP » 04 Dec 2019 23:29

Rony wrote:... BJP and TDP trying to be brand ambassadors to these 60% Hindus.


They put Swami dress to Pawan Kalyan of Jena Sena (now it starts sounding like Shiv Sena and how it was brought up) to rescue Hindus. He sounds odd as he claims some of his kids' are Yesu-baptized. Probably this Yagam is for priming up his party merger like his brother's party PRP. TDP may be behind this game and also they can't shift from their moderate position consisting of people from both or all sides of political spectrum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3r6uYmg6GE

From far away in the north 1% is controlling by putting Tilakam to gurram (horse), whipping yeddu (Ox), holding balls * of gadidha (donkey) :D

* Rather holding tail - then donkey tries to jump up and down madly on its back feet like the way the Ka(n)chara Gadidha is ruling the state. Incidentally Ka.cha.ra happened to be nickname of another state CM.

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Postby sanjayc » 04 Dec 2019 23:54

Sachin wrote:And there are rumours on social media that this an X'ian consipracy to damage the temple using the loop hole that people from any religious background can visit the shrine.


Agree with this. Saw this lady Bindu's statements on TV. She is almost certainly a secret Christian who is making a show of calling herself "scheduled caste." She seemed to be quite determined but dishonest in her talks.

The Church is behind this lady. Missionaries have been targeting Sabarimala for a long time. Couple this drama with (i) foisting of rape cases on almost all Hindu saints and putting them behind bars and (ii) environmental propaganda against all Hindu festivals, and you can put two and two together about who is the real force behind this game. There was Pope's declaration earlier of making this century the century of bringing the gospel to the unreached in Asia. The church is working on that strategy. It is attacking Hinduism on three sides: (i) Hindu saints, (ii) Hindu temples and (iii) Hindu festivals. This strategy is being drafted in Western capitals and being implemented in India. Western governments consider themselves as an arm of the church and are fully involved in this. Also, church is using Indian media barons (baniyas) as collaborators and attack dogs in this game. These barons are obsessed with money and can see nothing beyond business deals.

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Postby Rony » 05 Dec 2019 08:04

ShyamSP wrote: TDP may be behind this game and also they can't shift from their moderate position consisting of people from both or all sides of political spectrum.


So TDP is behind Pawan Kalyan ? Is that your claim ? And why cant TDP turn to Hindutva ? It makes sense both from electoral perspective and dharmic perspective . Who in TDP are from the "other side" who will oppose such transition ?

ShyamSP wrote: From far away in the north 1% is controlling by putting Tilakam to gurram (horse), whipping yeddu (Ox), holding balls * of gadidha (donkey) :D

* Rather holding tail - then donkey tries to jump up and down madly on its back feet like the way the Ka(n)chara Gadidha is ruling the state. Incidentally Ka.cha.ra happened to be nickname of another state CM.


Can you explain in direct simple language so that we can understand ? Are you suggesting that BJP is controlling Pawan Kalyan and others ? But in the above quote, you seems to suggest "TDP may be behind this game".

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby A_Gupta » 05 Dec 2019 08:24

Sabarimala 1950
https://swarajyamag.com/politics/when-a ... sabarimala
When A ‘Christian Conspiracy’ Was Hatched In 1950 To ‘Destroy’ Sabarimala

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Postby chetak » 05 Dec 2019 08:34

A_Gupta wrote:Sabarimala 1950
https://swarajyamag.com/politics/when-a ... sabarimala
When A ‘Christian Conspiracy’ Was Hatched In 1950 To ‘Destroy’ Sabarimala


The process is still on going.

Last year's commie/naxal fronted mayhem at Sabarimala was part of the very same narrative.

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Postby Dileep » 05 Dec 2019 14:16

Breaking update: CJI Hon. Jt. Bobde said ""There is a larger bench now. The September (2018) verdict is not the final word in this issue."" while the case of the Activitist was being mentioned. The two cases, one by the nude model activitist and the other by the dalit activitist will be heard together next week as per the news.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/sabarimala-temple-supreme-court-says-2018-verdict-not-final-petition-next-week-1625340-2019-12-05

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Postby Sachin » 05 Dec 2019 14:21

Dileep wrote:The two cases, one by the nude model activitist and the other by the dalit activitist will be heard together next week as per the news.

The nude model (who is a Muslim) also had a request that women from all religions should be allowed entry, with no age bar. This clearly exposes the intention of these folks. These people are not from very rich backgrounds, and it would be worthwhile to investigate who is egging them on. The nude model is just a customer service agent for BSNL in Kochi. How much of funding and time can she alone spare for all this? I read about the Dalit activist's bio-data (in a forum that tried to justify her actions). Seems to be a case of poverty, parental irresponsibility and her own inferiority complex which actually got exposed there.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby krithivas » 05 Dec 2019 21:36

How is it possible for these "activists" to move through the SC labyrinth this fast? They were kicked out of Sabari Mala and within the next two days SC agrees to take up their petition? Is the Indian legal system that real time?

Sachin wrote:
Dileep wrote:The two cases, one by the nude model activitist and the other by the dalit activitist will be heard together next week as per the news.

The nude model (who is a Muslim) also had a request that women from all religions should be allowed entry, with no age bar. This clearly exposes the intention of these folks. These people are not from very rich backgrounds, and it would be worthwhile to investigate who is egging them on. The nude model is just a customer service agent for BSNL in Kochi. How much of funding and time can she alone spare for all this? I read about the Dalit activist's bio-data (in a forum that tried to justify her actions). Seems to be a case of poverty, parental irresponsibility and her own inferiority complex which actually got exposed there.


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