darshan wrote: kiranA wrote:
This thread was always about bashing non-brahmin south indians and their "notorious" casteism apparently. Where there is hinduism there will be casteism. Apart from that obvious observation at least the past bashing was tolerable as it used to come from Telugu people themselves. But perhaps emboldened by the bashing in thread one gujarati person "darshan" also joined the party - narrating how horrible it was to live among Telugu people he would rather be with whites. Of course he was careful to preserve his "hall pass" card that is to speak highly of south indian brahmins. Once you do that its open season on other south indian hindus.
Normally I would have considered it rude to rub in but i would like to kindly point out to Darshan sir that gujraties themsevles dont enjoy a great reputation for openness or tolerance within India or worldwide. Of course you might be a nice guy speaking from honest observations then I am also summarizing factual observation on reputation of gujraties. You just need to ask your southern neighbours - the marathis.
Meanwhile the agonies of telugu people under a gujrati officer in Indian consulate in London.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56z5XceL82E
Buddy I'm not sure where you're heading with this. I would be the last person to have any political savviness. Even in this virtual world. I pretty much operate in binary mode. Hindu vs non Hindu. There are no gray areas. What's unacceptable is unacceptable. We recently sold the home and moved out. Having to debate on whether to celebrate Diwali is non negotiable. And it would be a crime to not call out culprits. When not called out, that's how secularism virus grows.
What's observed is observed. Whites had to accommodate me and Diwali in HoA meetings. Here it was more than two Diwalis gone and Telugu HoA board was still debating whether Hindu festivals should be celebrated or not. My root cause analysis led me to conclude that it was them fighting with other and not getting along. Not exactly GJ vs Telugu problem nor brahmin problem. Simple fact that community with 90%+ Telugu people didn't celebrate any Hindu festival and made a muslim torch bearer because of it.
Living in US for decades and working in MIC, I have lived and worked with magnitude more white people than brown people. Again simple fact and nothing to do with your brahmin garbage. I had grown up seeing south Indians moving into GJ running from caste wars. So go and lecture someone else your stupidity of GJ not welcoming people. Ever heard of parsis, Sindhis, punjabis, etc. in GJ? They are not in GJ zoos by the way.
I don't need to be a genius to know that brahmins don't hold much power when there's around 1 per every 100 in my various school classes and also didn't get free rides. That one nominal brahmin person was just like me and not someone with imaginary power. GJ people took one look at Marathi and mughal brahmin set ups and took them apart without moaning about brahmins and knowing where exactly the power centers were. Because of marginalizing of brahmins and many customs, marathis call us adulterated Hindus but we could care less. We GJ people don't need any hall pass. We recognized and solved the problem called "brahmins" ages ago. Go and check when a sect called Swaminarayana hit the road to bring down religious set ups of mughal and maratha regimes. One of many such sects. We don't cry brahmins and run into the nearest church or mosque. Problem identified and solved. Unfortunately for your kind the root cause identified by GJ people didn't turn out to be casteism and brahmins. Just plain old puppets installed and annointed as brahmins by ruling regimes to prevent natives from learning real religious materials.
There's a simple casteism being developed and it's reservation vs non reservation Hindus.
Go and check something called Amul and Kurien.
And at least study up before throwing random examples like marathis vs Gujarati.
Telugu people have only been prioritizing regional issues and don't have any vested interest to think about national issues yet. That's what happens when you don't share an international border with an enemy nation nor send out any folks to armed forces.
Perhaps one way to break out of this petty regionalist mentality is perhaps to revive Advaniji's old proposal of having a 2-party system like in the US ?
Limit people's choices between two distinct ideologies rather than a bunch of mutually competing caste groups aka the modern day dynastic parties.
Either that or expecting a "change of heart" in Andhra/TN folks to become more "nationalist" in their electoral preferences, which looks nothing more than a pipe dream.
If a 2-party system is instituted, the regional TMC, SP, TDPs, YSRCPs, NCP, Sonia Senas, DMKs, JDxs, etc or the neo-razakarite MIM.. they will be forced to merge their identities into a single leftist block and come up with one leader to fight the nationalists. Let Babu & Jagan, Akhilesh or Maya, duke it out..
While obviously not perfect, at least in US, it prevented every single ethnicity (Italian, Irish, German, English, Hispanic, etc..) from propping up their own parochial political outfit or making deals with globalist enemy forces for a better cut for their ethnic group in favor of championing anti-nationalist causes.
This right now is the biggest problem Indian democracy is facing.. these over-ambitious caste/regional dynastic parties cutting deals with the enemy in exchange for a slice of power.