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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Kanson » 19 Jan 2020 18:14

Language: 'malayALam'. Here the first l and second L are different sounds. There is no language like 'malayali'
People of the language : malayALi.


According to Royal Thiruvithamkoor(Travancore) document, MalayaLam indeed is made up of two tamil words: Malai (mountain) + Aazham (depth) .
Malai has soft L ; Aazham /ஆழம் has zha letter which is sometime pronounced as Hard L
It means at the mountain depth or foot-hills.
That is, People found, Language spoken at the foot-hills of western ghats.
If you know the geography of erstwhile Travancore kingdom, you know what it means.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Aditya_V » 19 Jan 2020 18:18

Dileep wrote:Well lyricist Vairamuthu immortalized it in the famous song as "thamizhukku zha azhaku". It was comedian Vinu Chakravarthy who used to make it a point always. (Yes, I am fluent in thamizh)

And the mention of Marathi reminds me of an ex colleague with last name karhaLe, who used to clearly pronounce the sound.

After his known cases of taking advantage of young women, cover up of criminal cases, which was covered up TN media , police and Judicial system like Fatima Babu molestation in TN secretariat . His abuse of Andal,can you use a term other than what is respectful of this bugger.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Dileep » 19 Jan 2020 21:22

^^ the context is 'lyrics' hence the term. Him being an a-hole is not the context here.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby ShyamSP » 19 Jan 2020 21:49

nandakumar wrote:Actually Tamil has letters for both sounds of 'la'. It is written as 'ழ' for the softer pronounced 'la' as in 'தமிழ்' (Tamizh) and 'ள' as in (கள்) meaning, 'toddy' for the harsher pronunciation of 'la'. The two sounds are produced depending on where the tip of the tongue meets with the upper palate. For 'ழ' the tongue touches that portion of the upper palate closest to the back of the front teeth while for 'ள' the tongue curves further inside to touch the area in the middle of the upper palate.
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கழல் - kaḻal - കഴല്‍ - కళ·ల్ - ಕೞಲ್ - कऴल् - kaZal
https://tamilpulavar.org/%E0%AE%95%E0%A ... 2%E0%AF%8D

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Telugu dropped kannada ఴ and use ళ in its place due to effect of Prakrit/Sanskrit
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E0%B0%B4
ఴ • (ẓa, ɭa, or ɻa)

An archaic Telugu letter

Usage notes
This letter is similar to Tamil ழ, Kannada ೞ, and Malayalam ഴ. ఴ (LLLA) is a retroflex voiced fricative, and is unique to the Dravidian language family. The Telugu letter ఴ is needed in texts that contain transliterations of other Dravidian languages that use this letter.
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toddy in is Tamil Kal/Kallu கள்/கள்ளு = కల్లు in Telugu

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Interesting usage of l and L (hard and soft) letters/aksharam in Telugu and Kannada which has simlar alphabets
kannada: ಕಲೆ (kale ) = telugu: కళ (kaLa) (Hindi कला (kalaa))
kannada: ಕಳ್ಳು (kaLLu ) = telugu: కల్లు (kallu)

https://bharatavani.in/dictionary-surf/ ... sh&page=15

కల్లు

అతను కల్లు తాగుతున్నాడు

kannada: ಕಳ್ಳು (kaLLu )

telugu: కల్లు (kallu)

Tamil: கள் (kaL)

Malayalam: കള്ള് (kaLLə)

English: toddy


కళ

ఆ ఇంటికి మంచి కళ ఉంది

kannada: ತುಂಬಾ (tumbaa)

telugu: కళ (kaLa)

Tamil: பேர் (peer)

Malayalam: ആന (aana)

English: huge


కళ

కళ జీవితంలో ఒక భాగం

kannada: ಕಲೆ (kale )

telugu: కళ (kaLa)

Tamil: கலை (kalai)

Malayalam: കല (kala)

English: art

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby nandakumar » 19 Jan 2020 22:59

I am not trying to pat myself on the back. But it is amazing how the BRF community is able to bring a vast amount of knowledge that they posses on to the table triggered by a limited knowledge on my part. Truly Ramana and other pioneers have been able to create an ecosystem that attracts the best people and contribute their might. Kudos to them

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby ramana » 21 Jan 2020 02:31

Lets give credit to Saraswati Devi who gives us the gnan to act through us.

We are just instruments.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Vayutuvan » 21 Jan 2020 06:04

Dileep wrote:
Vayutuvan wrote:

Gee! Thanks!! Which all languages use this?


Marathi for one. And we have in Telugu an equivalent.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Dileep » 21 Jan 2020 06:34

Malayalam: ആന (aana) : That is 'elephant' not 'big'. But colloquially sometimes we add 'aana' prefix to indicate big. example aana-maNTan : big idiot. But that is very rare, and can not be used as a general rule. The Tamil prefix pEr is pretty common, and can be used as a general rule.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby ramana » 21 Jan 2020 07:42

So little idiots are common!

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Theeran » 21 Jan 2020 10:31

nandakumar wrote:Actually Tamil has letters for both sounds of 'la'. It is written as 'ழ' for the softer pronounced 'la' as in 'தமிழ்' (Tamizh) and 'ள' as in (கள்) meaning, 'toddy' for the harsher pronunciation of 'la'. The two sounds are produced depending on where the tip of the tongue meets with the upper palate. For 'ழ' the tongue touches that portion of the upper palate closest to the back of the front teeth while for 'ள' the tongue curves further inside to touch the area in the middle of the upper palate.
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Three la s in Tamil. ல ள ழ
All these words are Val with the sound of the l changing for each.
Tail வால்
Sword வாள்
Live வாழ்

All three la s are pronounced as idayinam meaning middle sounds. One doesn't sound harsher or softer than the other. The curl of the tongue makes the difference.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby chetak » 21 Jan 2020 13:20

piyush goel: twitter



India Takes Lead in Clean Energy: World’s largest solar park at Pavagada in Karnataka is now operational.

Generating 2050 MW of clean energy, the park is located on land leased from farmers, utilising the drought-hit area & adding to farmers’ income.

https://www.solarcompare.co.in/post/world-s-largest-solar-park-at-karnataka-s-pavagada-is-now-fully-operational




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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Rony » 21 Jan 2020 18:12

https://tfipost.com/2020/01/dimwit-peri ... or-hindus/

Dimwit Periyarites are after Rajinikanth after he exposed Periyar’s hatred for Hindus



https://www.opindia.com/2020/01/rss-tam ... education/

After direction of Madras HC, Tamil Nadu govt to remove portion from textbook that claimed RSS was anti-Muslim

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Kaivalya » 21 Jan 2020 20:33

+1 Ronyji

Tamil Nadu politics is getting better ( even though I am leery of Bollywood stars ) Only way forward is to clean all the skeletons in the closet

Periyar's nonsense has to be called out as well as the documented dravidian BIF

Atheism(Nathikavaadam) was used by DK,DMK,AIADMK and even Congress in TamilNadu (The temple state) Now opposing all theists(all religions) as barbarians per periyar and his ilk cannot be defended by DMK ( the worst of the lot now - yes worse than communists/marxists as they are not established in TN )

To be sure Atheism is always selectively applied only to Hinduism


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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby ShyamSP » 22 Jan 2020 23:40

AP state council rejects 3-capital bills and send it to select committee. State Council (MLCs) also passed sort of "no confidence motion" against State Assembly (MLAs) using some rule called Rule 71. This may buy 3 months as Council is toothless and can only defer as Assembly can override its decisions and voting of bills after given time passed.

One of bills I see is cancelling of CRDA which puts risk of farmers who gave lands to the Capital. It is akin to AP government doing Land grabbing (Bhoo Kabja) by cheating.

Instead of showing BJP is for people and farmers it got totally exposed for not voting in Council where it has some members (where as Assembly it is 0). With State BJP and central BJP giving different tunes on this Tuqlak issue it is also black mark on it to cross even 1% hurdle.

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https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscroll ... ee/1715199
Amaravati, Jan 22 (IANS) In a huge jolt to the Jagan Mohan Reddy-led government in Andhra Pradesh, the state Legislative Council Chairman on Wednesday referred two Bills for creating three state capitals to a select committee.

Amid strong protests by ruling ruling YSR Congress Party (YSRCP), Chairman Mohammed Ahmed Shariff sent the Bills to a select committee as demanded by the main opposition Telugu Desam Party (TDP).

After day-long suspense over the fate of the Bills, Shariff gave his ruling. {- Amid YCP was trying to buy MLCs and cutting of live broadcast :roll: }

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https://www.newindianexpress.com/states ... 92881.html
https://www.newindianexpress.com/states ... 92496.html
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https://www.newindianexpress.com/states ... 92926.html
Andhra Pradesh Legislative Council proceedings disrupted by TDP over stopping of live telecast
{- cutting of live broadcast reminds me of AP state split with lights and camera off in Parliament :roll: }

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby chetak » 23 Jan 2020 00:13

is this justified

close to 3 lakhs rupees for a bleddy root canal :mrgreen:


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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Rony » 23 Jan 2020 00:32

ShyamSP wrote:
Instead of showing BJP is for people and farmers it got totally exposed for not voting in Council where it has some members ...



Which people ? There may be opposition to the decentralization/shifting of the capital in Guntur/Krishna but people are largely indifferent in Rest of AP. In parts of Visakhapatnam/Northern Andhra and Rayalaseema, they are even celebrating. Guntur/Krishna is not whole AP.

I am not sure how much Central Govt can do here even though state BJP and Janasena also say they would like Center to intervene. If Central BJP could not intervene or do much when their cadre gets killed in West Bengal or Kerala, when Modi/Shah could not intervene when Chandrababu naidu banned CBI from Andhra to save himself and his coterie, what can Center do now ? Even from legal perspective, YSRCP will simply say that they are not moving the capital just decentralizing it and will say Amaravati is still the (legislative) capital which is technically true.

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Postby Rony » 23 Jan 2020 01:22

chetak wrote:is this justified

close to 3 lakhs rupees for a bleddy root canal :mrgreen:



This is nothing. Chandrababu naidu spent close to 100 crores on furnishing and refurbishing his camp offices even while he and his party hurled abuses on Modi for "not giving enough funds" and "driving the state into financial mess". His frivolous expenses did not end with fancy offices and homes. He always insisted on using only private chartered planes for all travel.

Jagan wont be any better. And their in lies the issue. These two parties will loot the state during their rule and when elections comes will blame Modi/BJP/Center for all kinds of things to divert the blame from them.

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Postby Yagnasri » 23 Jan 2020 12:20

AP is gone for at least a couple of more terms. There is not much hope there.

But TN developments are looking interesting. DMK may not get a walkover everyone expected. They may win. But they may not destroy the AIDMK as they are expected to do. A lot seem to have changed since JJ died within AIDMK and party now reasonably stabilized at least for the time being. Of course power always holds people together. We have to see what will happen when/if they lose next election.

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Postby SridharMatlaparthi » 23 Jan 2020 13:23

^^

Frankly speaking, I guess we are just fighting over thieves - One set of thieves has been replaced by a bigger set of thieves.
Irrespective of the party flag, the base mindset of the elected representatives is still primitive and not conducive for the development of the country, barring a very limited minority.
I dont see a change happening till the educated (not just literate) move out of the comfort of the keyboards and jump into electoral politics. Capture any available seat possible. Show the country the alternative of how a disciplined representative can develop his area of representation. Spread the model of such development.

AAP had such a beautiful chance when people really supported such a change. Damn them, it is so hard to get people to trust a new leadership and they screwed up big time, making such attempts that much more difficult in the future.

Till that time, we can happily be ruled by misfits and keep arguing about correctness of existing representatives deeds, while fully knowing that there is not one effing thing we are doing to change it.

In case there are any initiatives, anywhere in India to support well intentioned candidates, very much willing to spare some of my time and money to contribute to the cause

<Apologies, end of rant>

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby chetak » 23 Jan 2020 13:32

Nilgris elephant corridor case: now being heard in the SC


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Lawyers for Nilgiri resort owners say elephants and man can co-exist

CJI: That's because the elephant is a gentleman. What are you doing in this forest?

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby ShyamSP » 23 Jan 2020 23:31

Rony wrote:
ShyamSP wrote:
Instead of showing BJP is for people and farmers it got totally exposed for not voting in Council where it has some members ...



Which people ? There may be opposition to the decentralization/shifting of the capital in Guntur/Krishna but people are largely indifferent in Rest of AP. In parts of Visakhapatnam/Northern Andhra and Rayalaseema, they are even celebrating. Guntur/Krishna is not whole AP.

I am not sure how much Central Govt can do here even though state BJP and Janasena also say they would like Center to intervene. If Central BJP could not intervene or do much when their cadre gets killed in West Bengal or Kerala, when Modi/Shah could not intervene when Chandrababu naidu banned CBI from Andhra to save himself and his coterie, what can Center do now ? Even from legal perspective, YSRCP will simply say that they are not moving the capital just decentralizing it and will say Amaravati is still the (legislative) capital which is technically true.


People as in Telugu people. People in Rayalaseema, Prakasam & Nellore don't like either. Visakapatnam is far away and even Siva Rama Krishna committee mentioned surveyed people preferred central location aka VGTM in their words.

Capital was decided in 2014 as per rules set in APRA 2014 that Center did and Center gave and is supposed to give funds. It is involved in every way. It can't involve 3 capital or 100 capital bills passed in Assembly but they can make statements. High court was already decided and moved to Amaravati and it is in the purview of Center and Supreme courts. They can involve or they can give excuses.

Any way I was saying they didn't walk the talk during voting when it mattered and hopefully "people" noted that action. One YCP person is openly saying in media recently that BJP is with Goonda Raj* during all these episodes. Unless BJP disassociates itself they are seen enablers of all the bad acts going on in AP.

* yesterday I was speculating camera cut was done to do rowdyism and buy MLCs with corrupt means. This turned out to be true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW8Njf-vk80

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby bhavani » 24 Jan 2020 04:04

Below is my take on the whole 3 Capital plan by Jagan:

1. Are people in Vizag celebrating: I am from Vizag, and i am from an Upper middle class family. No body is celebrating, Most of the lower classes are actually afraid that rental costs will increase. Most of middle and upper middle classes don't care.

If one thinks, that people with plots are excited about real estate prices going up, Not really as real estate in Vizag is already at Sky high Prices. comparable to Hyd. Sq yard in Seethamadhara is close to 1 Lakh, which is same as good parts of Hyd (Jubilee hill and banjara hills might be more at 1.5 Lakh for sq yard).

2. People are not that stupid to think that capital will bring development. Even auto drivers, workers etc are not that excited.

3. It is obviously a stupid plan by jagan, But the thing is there is no opposition now from anybody. CBN is toothless, he is affected with nepostism and is not ready to bring any good leaders to the front like kinjarapu atchannaidu. Lokesh, cant speak or has no leadership abilities.

4. Truth is lot of people from all castes made money on real estate trading in Amaravathi. That was the same with Hyderabad. Insider trading is common in Indian politics or else how did Murali mohan or so many real estate moghuls from AP, end up buying so much land close to Hi-tech city even before one single stone was laid for the building.

Decentralization blah blah is just a joke/drama by Jagan, Even lot of Reddy's have land in Amaravathi. What decentralization, there is nothing to centralize or decentralize. No companies coming, no Jobs, nothing.

Jagan is pretty much doling out crores on free schemes. 10000 for pastors, 10000 for imams, pujaris etc. 40000 for Jeruslam visits. 1000's of churches built.

Free is the answer for anything. But in reality from the day Jagan came, whole state has come to a grind. From Solar power corporation contracts to R&B works, everything is being looted. TTD is being looted.

Pawan Kalyan does not know anything and even Kapus are not voting for him. CBN is stuck, he wants his son to take over. he cant let any other charismatic Kamma leader or actor come to the front to lead TDP.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby VenkataS » 24 Jan 2020 04:46

Bhavani - What you are saying is that AP is pretty much stuck in a rut for the forseaable future. And it will be open season for conversions and corruption.

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Postby bhavani » 24 Jan 2020 05:55

VenkataS wrote:Bhavani - What you are saying is that AP is pretty much stuck in a rut for the forseaable future. And it will be open season for conversions and corruption.


AP is stuck in a major rut. No good leader to take over any where. There are some up coming leaders but none of them are big enough to form parties to take over a state.

TDP is dying - All leadership has left. CBN is soldiering on, But his biggest mistakes in the last elections was not letting local leaders thrive and a lack of control on the entire narrative.

CBN did encourage a lot of businessmen of Kamma caste and they ruled the roost across AP and they won contracts all over the state. In a place like Vizianagaram, rural East AP all liquor contracts were given to kammas, Same with R&B Contracts. Vizag all major liquor contracts went to Kammas. He did not even accept suggestions by local leaders in any way

The local Business leaders really pulled all stops in defeating CBN. They did not find another alternative in Pawan Kalyan.

Bottom line is every one is corrupt. CBN or Jagan. Jagan is far more corrupt and is rabid christian evangelist, but he lets other leaders like Botsa, etc loot in their own manner and leaves their own turfs to them as long as they cut him in on the deal. For EX: Most land around Bhogapuram and bheemili was bought by Botsa and his minions. obviously Jagan got his share of land in these deals.

CBN's is less corrupt but issue is, he is aligned a lot with his caste and Is probably in search of a legacy, he wants his son to succeed. But Lokesh is an absolute Joker. the biggest Joke was all the big Kamma business men turned Politicos have junked CBN and moved to BJP.

BTW i saw amaravathi and its construction. The layout of the new city is really nice and quality of construction is also very nice. But sadly construction has come to a full stop.

In fact construction across whole of AP has come down heavily, except some parts of Vizag etc. There was no sand supply for 1 year.

Jagan has done this whole decentralization to just hit the opposite caste really hard. The funny thing is a lot of reddy's have bought land in Amaravathi.

There is nothing much happening in AP. Most 20-30 year old's have migrated to ROI, US, Canada what not.

I actually took multiple trips all across AP, Salur, Vizianagaram, Kakinada, rajahmundry, arasavilli, Vijayawada, srikakulam. I drove from Kakinada to a famous Subramanya temple across the godavari canals. There are 10:1 Churches to temples in Most parts of AP. i think AP is now nearly 30% Christian.

The good thing a lot of Hindus have started noticing. people are now openly talking of how Christians are increasing. There is a backlash.

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Postby Rony » 24 Jan 2020 07:27

ShyamSP wrote: People as in Telugu people. People in Rayalaseema, Prakasam & Nellore don't like either. Visakapatnam is far away and even Siva Rama Krishna committee mentioned surveyed people preferred central location aka VGTM in their words.


But not all Telugu people are opposing it. Telugu opinion on this is vertically divided by parties. Most who supported YSRCP in last elections are at best indifferent while most TDP circles are opposed to it. TDP is trying to show this shifting of the capital as something which "all Telugus are opposing" but there is no evidence for that.

ShyamSP wrote: One YCP person is openly saying in media recently that BJP is with Goonda Raj* during all these episodes. Unless BJP disassociates itself they are seen enablers of all the bad acts going on in AP.


Ultimately this is the game plan of both TDP and YSRCP. Both will loot the state when in power, they will fight against each other, but will blame BJP and Center when their shyte hits the fan. It suits YCRCP to say Modi/Shah are supporting them and it suits TDP to say the same thing. Hopefully "people" will see through this charade.

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Postby Rony » 24 Jan 2020 07:32

https://twitter.com/krishna0302/status/ ... 65857?s=20

#Exclusive on @republic
. #TDP chief #ChandrababuNaidu speaks for the first time on #CAA_NRC_NPR. He says I'm opposing it and will take up the issue later as #Amaravathi and 3-capital issue are his priorities.


If we think CBN has learnt any right lessons after his defeat, then we are mistaken. See his latest statements on CAA/NRC/NPR.
Regarding Christians too, he said something like Jagan is not doing enough for them and dalit christians should get reservations.

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Postby Rony » 24 Jan 2020 07:37

Meanwhile. Tamil Nadu looks like its changing for the better

https://twitter.com/KyYadhu/status/1220 ... 32928?s=20 (Video in Tamil)

What a Fierce Speech by Tamilnadu Minister Rajendra Balaji.

“Why you’re involving everything with RSS and Sang Parivar.? Those are very respectful org and they never killed and bombed the people. Stop complaining about RSS”

Take a bow sir..!

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby ShyamSP » 24 Jan 2020 10:15

Rony wrote:
ShyamSP wrote: People as in Telugu people. People in Rayalaseema, Prakasam & Nellore don't like either. Visakapatnam is far away and even Siva Rama Krishna committee mentioned surveyed people preferred central location aka VGTM in their words.


But not all Telugu people are opposing it. Telugu opinion on this is vertically divided by parties. Most who supported YSRCP in last elections are at best indifferent while most TDP circles are opposed to it. TDP is trying to show this shifting of the capital as something which "all Telugus are opposing" but there is no evidence for that.


There is no concept of referendum or voting for propositions/measures like in the US to gather actually what people want. At least an unbiased survey of the large sample will do but it still is not a true reflection. The vertical division of parties doesn't mean peoples' division in the same ratio. All we can argue only what "people" want and all I can give some anecdotal opinions/views of some 3-4 southern districts.

Also, every 5 years after elections this kind of changing "Capital" or increasing "Capitals" is stupidity. It was an opportunity for anyone that was elected in 2014 when a committee formed per division act. All parties/politicians (I mean 100%) agreed with no protests from people or groups anywhere, it was done deal then.

Any moves are now meant some profiteering opportunities. What I gather is Jagan & co and YCP people got a lot of lands (some quote 30K+ acres) in Visaka to Vijayanagaram corridor. There was some video circulated many months ago where Jagan was asking people to spend money for elections (to buy votes) so they will have the opportunity to earn 4 times. So such opportunities seem abundant in Visakapatnam/Bhimili areas as there are NO such opportunities in Amaravati as it is in much more "white" and under very close scrutiny there. They might have thought they can bulldoze relatively "decent" Visaka people than "aggressive" Vijayawada people with "factionist" tactics.

It could also be to give nominal capital Visaka to show they are doing something to Uttara Andhra but move actual money to Kadapa and their areas.

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Postby bhavani » 24 Jan 2020 11:09

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Rony wrote:
But not all Telugu people are opposing it. Telugu opinion on this is vertically divided by parties. Most who supported YSRCP in last elections are at best indifferent while most TDP circles are opposed to it. TDP is trying to show this shifting of the capital as something which "all Telugus are opposing" but there is no evidence for that.


There is no concept of referendum or voting for propositions/measures like in the US to gather actually what people want. At least an unbiased survey of the large sample will do but it still is not a true reflection. The vertical division of parties doesn't mean peoples' division in the same ratio. All we can argue only what "people" want and all I can give some anecdotal opinions/views of some 3-4 southern districts.

Also, every 5 years after elections this kind of changing "Capital" or increasing "Capitals" is stupidity. It was an opportunity for anyone that was elected in 2014 when a committee formed per division act. All parties/politicians (I mean 100%) agreed with no protests from people or groups anywhere, it was done deal then.

Any moves are now meant some profiteering opportunities. What I gather is Jagan & co and YCP people got a lot of lands (some quote 30K+ acres) in Visaka to Vijayanagaram corridor. There was some video circulated many months ago where Jagan was asking people to spend money for elections (to buy votes) so they will have the opportunity to earn 4 times. So such opportunities seem abundant in Visakapatnam/Bhimili areas as there are NO such opportunities in Amaravati as it is in much more "white" and under very close scrutiny there. They might have thought they can bulldoze relatively "decent" Visaka people than "aggressive" Vijayawada people with "factionist" tactics.

It could also be to give nominal capital Visaka to show they are doing something to Uttara Andhra but move actual money to Kadapa and their areas.


I agree with both of your points to extent. Let me clarify a couple of things, Most people in AP do not seem to care about this whole Capital thing. Except government employees who hauled their asses from Hyd to Vijayawada and now have to move again to Vizag. Some of the staff are still in Hyderabad.

I have relatives in APSEB who just relocated to Vijayawada in Dec. He is Superintendent engineer in APSEB, now they are being told that they will be relocated to Vizag in a few months.

The move to vizag is already happening, and was in works even before the news came into full limelight. The Millennium Tower built by APIIC at Rushikonda was opened in early 2019 and was allotted to some really sketchy non-existent IT firms by CBN. That building is now being repossessed and will be re purposed for government offices.

Also it is a joke to say that YCP and Co did not profiteer from Amaravathi, similarly CBN and Co also owns lands in Vizag, Bheemili area.

Every major player in state, including heroines have land in Bheemili area.

One of the biggest land scams near vizag, where 35 acres of sea facing prime land was allocated by CBN government to Ramanaidu studios for next to nothing. Next to that another 300 acres allocated for film studios by CBN & Company.

I positively hate these allocation of these huge pieces of land for these bloody studios. Ramanaidu studios did not create any major jobs in Vizag area.

All it does it, is make people like Daggubati sureshbabu super rich.

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Postby Yagnasri » 24 Jan 2020 12:48

Entire AP is now gripped with real estate ponzi looters hands. Almost no moneybag want to do any business or trade. They are all want to "invest" in real estate "ventures" and "earn". Further you will see anyone who want to do any industrial or commercial activity getting destroyed by local policos for their loot. This is the situation since 2004.

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Postby Rony » 25 Jan 2020 00:21

bhavani wrote: One of the biggest land scams near vizag, where 35 acres of sea facing prime land was allocated by CBN government to Ramanaidu studios for next to nothing. Next to that another 300 acres allocated for film studios by CBN & Company.


None on the bigwigs from Telugu film industry even those who benefited from CBN have spoken against Jagan or shifting of capitals. They like most non-govt AP people are indifferent to this capital shifting.

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Postby bhavani » 25 Jan 2020 01:00

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bhavani wrote: One of the biggest land scams near vizag, where 35 acres of sea facing prime land was allocated by CBN government to Ramanaidu studios for next to nothing. Next to that another 300 acres allocated for film studios by CBN & Company.


None on the bigwigs from Telugu film industry even those who benefited from CBN have spoken against Jagan or shifting of capitals. They like most non-govt AP people are indifferent to this capital shifting.


Telugu film and industry bigwigs are classic oligarchs. They have benefited heavily by ingratiating themselves with any party in power.

Why would they open their mouths, Most of them have benefited from other older governments and Jagan can pull the benefits back. The land leases can be cancelled, land allotments can be reversed. They just wanted to save their assets, until they can safely launder them to UAE or USA.

Take an Example. When KCR came to power, he unleashed his power on these cinema bigwigs and was blowing hot and cold. Nagarjuna has a huge convention center called N convention center, huge part of its sits on illegal land. KCR threatened to pull it down whole or a part of it, Nagarjuna and some other bigwigs went and met him. Everything fell in place.

Few Months later KTR and Kavitha started attending the cinema openings and other useless functions. World continued as normal.

The Big 4 Kamma Businessmen joining BJP is nothing but a need for a shelter, as CBN is powerless and then a shelter from Jagan.

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Postby Rony » 25 Jan 2020 02:15

Keeping Amaravati/AP aside, I for one am glad that Telugu film makers and actors stick to entertainment and dont morph into BIF leftist activists at the drop of a hat like their Hindi or Tamil counterparts do. Imagine a Telugu version of Saif Ali Khan or Swara Bhaskar or Twinkle Khanna or Siddharth. Siddharth disgusts me to no end.

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Postby bhavani » 25 Jan 2020 03:23

Rony wrote:Keeping Amaravati/AP aside, I for one am glad that Telugu film makers and actors stick to entertainment and dont morph into BIF leftist activists at the drop of a hat like their Hindi or Tamil counterparts do. Imagine a Telugu version of Saif Ali Khan or Swara Bhaskar or Twinkle Khanna or Siddharth. Siddharth disgusts me to no end.


Siddharth acts like a textbook liberal, but the guy is highly flawed. He insulted entire Telugu audiences after a few of his films bombed, Saying that telugu people dont have any taste. From then on, he has been boycotted from Telugu film industry.

The guy had multiple relationships and has gained a pretty bad rep in the tamil industry. Now no PYT wants to touch him with a pole.

He just keeps in the news.

Telugu film industry folks are a different beast, TFI, is like the 5 Mob families of the NYC, they will cut deals, grovel, pimp, or back stab do what ever it takes to be close to Power and Money. But the entry into the TFI is very limited though. They will collaborate with who ever is in power and will give them a decent cut in money, women what ever it takes.

So they will never open their mouths against anybody in power.

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Postby ShyamSP » 25 Jan 2020 03:48

bhavani wrote:
Rony wrote:
None on the bigwigs from Telugu film industry even those who benefited from CBN have spoken against Jagan or shifting of capitals. They like most non-govt AP people are indifferent to this capital shifting.


Telugu film and industry bigwigs are classic oligarchs. They have benefited heavily by ingratiating themselves with any party in power.

Why would they open their mouths, Most of them have benefited from other older governments and Jagan can pull the benefits back. The land leases can be cancelled, land allotments can be reversed. They just wanted to save their assets, until they can safely launder them to UAE or USA.

Take an Example. When KCR came to power, he unleashed his power on these cinema bigwigs and was blowing hot and cold. Nagarjuna has a huge convention center called N convention center, huge part of its sits on illegal land. KCR threatened to pull it down whole or a part of it, Nagarjuna and some other bigwigs went and met him. Everything fell in place.

Few Months later KTR and Kavitha started attending the cinema openings and other useless functions. World continued as normal.

The Big 4 Kamma Businessmen joining BJP is nothing but a need for a shelter, as CBN is powerless and then a shelter from Jagan.


Who are they as I can't get 4? I know Sujana Chowdhary, RS MP, joined BJP but if you include him who are the other 3?

Also Konidala Chiranjeevi (Chiru), actor and INC politician, prematurely welcomed 3-capitals when CM pre-announced month ago. Then it was said he had deal cut to develop some studios in lot of lands he (may be Allu Aravind) has in Visakapatnam. His brother Pawan Kalyan, chief of Jena Sena and new BJP friend, took opposite political stand against 3-Capitals. (one way or the other their family "wins"). Another example of "oligarchy" with power center.

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Postby Vayutuvan » 25 Jan 2020 04:08

Swara Bhaskar is a Telugu but acts in Hindi movies.

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Postby Theeran » 25 Jan 2020 04:17

Rony wrote:https://www.opindia.com/2020/01/rss-tamil-nadu-state-government-textbook-10th-board-partition-muslims-education/

After direction of Madras HC, Tamil Nadu govt to remove portion from textbook that claimed RSS was anti-Muslim


Not a surprise as Loyola teachers are used to write the syllabus for TN social science textbooks. Here is one of them boasting that Jesuit ideas have been inserted into the syllabus from 1st to 10th std.

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Postby Rony » 25 Jan 2020 04:43

Vayutuvan wrote:Swara Bhaskar is a Telugu but acts in Hindi movies.


Yep. Daughter of defense analyst Uday Bhaskar. But to outside world, she is known as "Bollywood actress".

Gandhi's Son Hiralal converted to Islam

Subbu Swamy's daughter Suhasini married a Muslim and became a BIF "Ganga-Jamuni tehzeeb' type

Same with Uday Bhaskar and her daughter Swara Bhaskar

Most of the "liberal" bollywood actress activists who rail against nationalists are daughters of armed forces officers - Priyanka chopra, Sushmita sen, Neha dhupia, lara dutta, Gul panag etc. Preity Zinta and Nimrat Kaur also are from military families and identify as "liberal" but they are not as vicious as others.

Not trying to generalize but i see a pattern here. Previously ex-Communist sons in AP became capitalists . Ex-commies became nationalists elsewhere.

Now nationalist's daughters becoming Urban naxals ? I hope not.
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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Rony » 25 Jan 2020 04:49

ShyamSP wrote: Who are they as I can't get 4? I know Sujana Chowdhary, RS MP, joined BJP but if you include him who are the other 3?


Not sure if he is included in those 4. But apart from Sujana, there is N Eswara Rao, Kamma businessman from TDP who jumped ship to BJP. He is close associate of Kala Venkat Rao.

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Postby ShyamSP » 25 Jan 2020 06:42

Rony wrote:
ShyamSP wrote: One YCP person is openly saying in media recently that BJP is with Goonda Raj* during all these episodes. Unless BJP disassociates itself they are seen enablers of all the bad acts going on in AP.


Ultimately this is the game plan of both TDP and YSRCP. Both will loot the state when in power, they will fight against each other, but will blame BJP and Center when their shyte hits the fan. It suits YCRCP to say Modi/Shah are supporting them and it suits TDP to say the same thing. Hopefully "people" will see through this charade.


This is the video I was looking for when I mentioned about YCP person. https://youtu.be/XRBEqmcD-ZQ?t=570

BJP enabled YCP during elections and for last few years to balance TDP in AP but subsequently and currently, BJP lost many states and is expected to gain no new states (say Delhi) in a meaningful way, so now it is more dependent on YCP for getting Rajyasabha members from AP quota. It is less likely to breach RS majority in 2020 with declining fortunes. So there may be heavy trade going on between BJP and YCP for 3-capitals, state council abolition, CBI/ED cases, and RS seats, etc (refer - https://youtu.be/4bAQJWR88mk?t=5010)
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